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NANCY GRACE

Jodi Arias on the Stand Day 2

Aired February 5, 2013 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. We are live outside the Phoenix courthouse. Bombshell tonight. Arias, sitting in court, subdued by a stunbelt. After the 27-year-old blond bombshell first confesses to slashing Travis Alexander to death, she spends the entire day on the stand describing a trail of men and sexual encounters, going from one guy to the next, that she then jumps from one religion to the next, witchcraft, Hindu, Buddhist, Mormonism.

She details jealous confrontations with other women, appearing soft- spoken and meek on the stand, in stark contrast to the shocking and brutal slashing death of her lover. She then goes on to outline a day of oral sex, then goes to church the next day.

Even in light of Arias`s string of lies, is the jury at this hour buying Jodi Arias hook, line, and sinker?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever meet an individual by the name of Travis Alexander?

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: Yes.

They stopped right in front of me and he stuck his hand out and introduced himself.

He wasn`t really flirting with me. He wasn`t giving off that vibe. I did get the impression that he was trying to impress me because he was talking about Yukon (ph) and -- but he was talking to the guy next to him, but he was saying it very loud. I told him I liked him, but I`m in a relationship.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he ever attempt to kiss you?

ARIAS: He leaned in very chose. He got right in my face, I would say four inches anyway (ph). The elevator was empty. He licked his lips and said, I wish you didn`t have a boyfriend.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection!

ARIAS: Travis began to call me.

So I got back from convention on Sunday, and I broke up with Darryl on Thursday. On Wednesday night, I was invited to go out to some of Travis`s friends` house. And I knew Travis would be there, and I didn`t want to -- I`m kind of, like -- I -- I -- one guy at a time kind of person, so I didn`t want to have anything overlapping.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. Arias sitting in court in the last hours subdued by a stunbelt around her waist. She spends the entire day on the stand on direct examination. She describes a trail of men, a trail of sex encounters, going from one guy to the next to the next, also jumping religions -- witchcraft, Hindu, Buddhist, Mormonism, claiming that she was led into all of these religious by men. She then goes on to describe jealous confrontations with other women.

She describes a day full of oral sex, but then she made up for it by going to church the next day, Arias appearing meek and mild on the stand in stark contrast to what we know to be true, the shocking and brutal slashing death of her lover.

But even in light of Arias`s string of lies, it seems as if the jury is actually buying Jodi Arias hook, line, and sinker!

First of all, out to you, Jean Casarez, also in the courtroom all day long. Near the end of the courthouse day, she started describing oral sex with Travis Alexander. I don`t know that the jury really cares about that, but she seems to suggest that she was forced into it, but yet she never told Travis, No, I don`t want to do this.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": No. She says that Travis knocked on her bedroom door. He went in. She thought they were just going to kiss. He started taking off all of her clothes. She said she didn`t want to disrupt the feeling. She didn`t want to reject him because she could tell there was chemistry. He began to perform oral sex on her, and afterwards, he asked her to reciprocate.

Nancy, I got to tell you, in that courtroom, the jury for all of this testimony -- they are riveted. They are focused. They are sitting, leaning forward, especially the female jurors. They are at the edge of their seats, leaning forward, and I saw a lot of notes being taken.

GRACE: What exactly did she say, Jean, if you don`t mind telling the viewers, because we`re -- after two days on the stand, Jean, I mean, I`ve heard everything from her getting on the ferris wheel with a little boy when she was 14 years old. I`ve heard her whole life story. We`re finally to the point where she meets Travis Alexander. It took two days to get there.

I don`t know why the prosecution allowed this without objecting. It`s irrelevant, what she did when she was 14 years old. But that aside, she never said that she protested at all. I don`t understand how this is painting Travis Alexander to be -- out to be some sort of a sexual deviant.

CASAREZ: It just shows a man being a man, right, in the room. Let`s put it bluntly. It shows the female reciprocating, and then they spent the night together in the bedroom. That is what it shows.

But the defense, you`re right, is going to try to portray that he was the aggressor, he was relentless and he wouldn`t take no for an answer, even though she didn`t fight him on it.

GRACE: Well, she didn`t even say no. Forget about a fight. She never said, Hey, you know what? Stop. I don`t want to do this.

CASAREZ: That`s what I mean.

GRACE: Nothing!

CASAREZ: She never even said no. Nothing. She consented the whole way.

GRACE: You know what, Jean? Another thing I found very interesting, I see her mother and sister in court, but in none of the defense motions were they listed as witnesses.

CASAREZ: No. No. And let me tell you this. Her mother is sitting in the front row. She`s got a notebook of her own, and she is taking notes.

But let me tell you one other thing. This testimony about how she went to the convention and he asked her to the banquet that night and she went to Kohl`s to find a dress, couldn`t find a dress, he`s got one for her -- it came across in the courtroom, Nancy, like "Pretty Woman," like Cinderella. It was a Cinderella story in Las Vegas when she met him. That`s what the jury is hearing right now.

GRACE: OK, Jean, I`ve got to admit when I was listening to this testimony, I did think of Cinderella, poor little girl wants to go to the party, doesn`t have anything to wear. She borrows what turns out to be -- witnesses in this case, white (ph) dress, and you know, that she gets to go to the big party, basically going to the party to try to make business contacts.

But long story short, I had to shake myself because when I forgot about the image of Cinderella in her light blue beautiful dress and her blond hair up and the birds singing around her head, I pictured her with Travis Alexander`s blood dripping down her hands, and that kind of, like, jarred me out of the Cinderella fantasy.

So when you were saying the jury is sitting on the edge of their seats -- let me hear that part again?

CASAREZ: They are riveted with this testimony. And one reason they might be riveted is this is the woman that perpetrated all of the injuries on Travis Alexander. And they -- it`s just very confusing.

GRACE: OK, let`s hear it from the horse`s mouth. Here is Jodi Arias on the stand in her own defense.

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ARIAS: He began to perform oral sex on me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And was this comfortable? You mentioned earlier that you had a certain level of discomfort with this act -- being naked. Were you uncomfortable while this oral sex was going on?

ARIAS: I was -- I was uncomfortable. It was dark and the lights were off, so, like, that might have made it a little bit more -- I mean, more tolerable. But it was -- I don`t know -- I mean, it -- he knew what he was doing, for sure, but it was just -- felt like too much, too soon. And I mean, I couldn`t exactly rewind at that point, you know?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not? Did you -- did you voice your displeasure with the events?

ARIAS: No, I can`t say that it was displeasure, but it was uncomfortable. Does that make sense?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, well, let me rephrase my question then. Did you voice your discomfort to him?

ARIAS: No. I didn`t want to give him that impression.

He fixed the visor mirror and pulled his pants back up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you mean he fixed the visor mirror?

ARIAS: He had it flipped -- well, when -- when I started, he flipped the visor down and angled the mirror, I guess...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you started what?

ARIAS: Oral sex.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. What happened then when -- after he fixed the mirror? Did you guys hang out for longer, go to the park (ph), what did you do?

ARIAS: No. I guess I was under the impression that we were...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Non-responsive. (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did you do? What happened?

ARIAS: We parted (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s that?

ARIAS: We parted ways.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Immediately? Within minutes?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you feel after that encounter?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Objection! She gives a guy a blow job in the parking lot four years ago! What does that have to do with murder? Jean Casarez, help me out here. Why are we hearing about her giving a blow job to Travis Alexander, what, five years ago in the parking lot?

CASAREZ: It`s the defense trying to form her state of mind as they go forward in all of this. And there are no objections. There are so few objections, and I think the prosecution has decided he is better spent focusing on her testimony, writing notes because Juan Martinez is so focused on her every step of the way.

GRACE: OK. Back to the courtroom.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Approach, please.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You had a boyfriend in another country, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And what was that boyfriend`s name?

ARIAS: Victor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were in love with Bobby, right?

ARIAS: Yes, very much, a lot more than I was Victor. Bobby was, like, my first true love.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you love Matt?

ARIAS: Very much, yes. I was in love with him.

We weren`t, like, heavily discussing marriage, but we were talking about children and what kind of lifestyle we would have.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You fell in love with Darryl.

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was the status of your romantic relationship with Darryl?

ARIAS: We were boyfriend/girlfriend. We were in a committed, monogamous relationship, not necessarily headed for marriage, but I was in love with him.

I was not under any impression that he had changed his mind about his position on marriage.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: OK, this is part of Jodi Arias on the stand. So far today, we`ve heard her describe going from one man to the next, sleeping with one guy after the next. I`m not the church lady. I don`t care who she sleeps with. But what concerns me is why this is being allowed in the courtroom. What is the point of it? We know that the defense is self-defense.

Let`s go back in the courtroom.

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ARIAS: So this was somewhat foreign, but just -- you know, but it was what it was, if that makes sense.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. To clarify, too, at this point in time, this encounter in the park, were you in love with Mr. Alexander?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After he departed, what did you do?

ARIAS: I drove home and got ready for work. He left me a voicemail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. On your cell phone or on the home phone?

ARIAS: On my cell phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And what was the subject matter of that voicemail?

ARIAS: He was expressing his thoughts...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Hearsay. What was the subject matter?

ARIAS: I`m not sure how to answer that question. The incident, I guess, would be the subject matter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you`re talking (INAUDIBLE) the subject matter was the oral sex that just took place?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Leading.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes or no?

ARIAS: Yes, I guess.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And if you can characterize it, was he expressing happiness, gratitude about the event?

ARIAS: I wouldn`t characterize it that way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How would you characterize it?

ARIAS: I`m not sure how.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How would you characterize it?

ARIAS: I would say that he was...

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GRACE: Just so you know, this is completely inadmissible if an objection had been made, which it has not.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What he -- did he voice displeasure with what took place?

ARIAS: He was -- displeasure with himself.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Was it related to the fact that this incident took place or how he treated you?

ARIAS: Both.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: What we are seeing here is a character assassination. Unleash the lawyers, Marla Chicotsky, defense attorney, Miami, Brian Claypool, defense attorney, LA.

To ask her these type of questions on the stand in lieu of saying, What did he say?" -- now, before you go off on your defense tirade, you both know that this is objectionable. And I`m just curious as to the state is allowing it in, Brian Claypool.

BRIAN CLAYPOOL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I think what the prosecutor`s strategy might be is he doesn`t want to look like he`s being obstreperous. He doesn`t want to make it look like he`s worried about his case. So that -- so in order to prove that, he`s not objecting. I think it`s the wrong move, but I think that explains why he`s doing that.

GRACE: Well, Brian, I agree with you that it`s the wrong move because we have put up with two days of Jodi Arias, kind of a monologue about herself, which is completely irrelevant to this case.

Now, some of it, yes, I understand, Marla. They want to get in that she feels she was abused as a child. It`s going to go toward her state of mind when she murdered Travis Alexander, that she was predisposed to think that she was going to be attacked because of what happened to her as a youth. I get it.

But how does that factor in a 14-year-old girl on a ferris wheel? I don`t know. I don`t know. And none of it was objected to.

MARLA CHICOTSKY, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I mean, I think they`re trying to show a pattern that she is very vulnerable, that she is susceptible to men, you know, taking advantage of her and being manipulative towards her and making her do certain things that she never would want to do on her own free will because of the way that she was raised because of the...

GRACE: And another thing, Marla...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Marla Chicotsky, this is not anything they taught you in law school, I`m sure. But she just meets Travis Alexander. They haven`t known each other very long. And she gives him -- let me think, what`s the correct legal term? -- a blow job in the car in the parking lot, and then he zips his pants up and leaves, all right?

Right there, that should have been the end of the relationship. She should have broken it off right there. But she didn`t. So what`s the point of this? Where are they going with this, that what, he was selfish and greedy? Half the men in this country -- no, no, no, no...

CHICOTSKY: Yes, I mean...

GRACE: Ninety percent of the men in the country wouldn`t (ph) be in jail for that, for Pete`s sake!

CHICOTSKY: I mean, I think they`re trying to show that she was...

GRACE: And the rest are in a monastery!

CHICOTSKY: ... not this sexual -- well, they`re trying to show that she`s not the sexual femme fatale, the murderess, the temptress. I think that`s why they`re trying to get this testimony in.

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ARIAS: He asked for reciprocation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And how did that request make you feel?

ARIAS: At that point, I had taken it that far. I was kind of glad he was done, and I was just willing to reciprocate at that point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And so we`re clear when we say "reciprocate," does that mean perform oral sex upon him?

ARIAS: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: All right, go to the New York control room, please, very quickly. Not seeing it. Liz, question. Why do you keep showing -- I don`t -- I don`t see Liz. There she is. Don`t try to hide behind Brett (ph). Why do you insist on showing, A, either the naked pictures of Jodi Arias, which we`ve discussed, or B, now you`re going to play the oral sex shot over and over and over, when I`m here screaming it has nothing to do with Travis Alexander`s murder?

All right, Brett, I`m going to let you -- thank you. Thank you. Brett, you explain it to her.

Out to the lines. Liz in New York. Hi, Liz. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have two quick questions. (INAUDIBLE) meeting a person that would probably sit on the jury -- as I watch her, she`s coming across as cocky, self-confident, no emotion, like she`s almost happy inside that all of America is watching her through this trial. And I think she was the aggressor. I think she`s the one that started with him, and she`s just reversing the roles in her mind.

And do you think Juan Martinez will put the picture up when he cross- examines her of Travis Alexander? Because that`s a murder of rage, jealous rage, not of a victim that was being abused.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you love Matt?

ARIAS: Very much, yes. I was in love with him.

I see that period as my life as probably one of the best times in my life. He treated me very well. He was very kind. He was very respectful.

On the desktop, there were some other pictures of this girl, and I didn`t recognize her, wasn`t overly concerned about it. But you know, I just kind of had a -- a feeling. And so I let that go, and a few weeks later, he told me that he was seeing a girl named Bianca.

He treated me very well. He was very kind. He was very respectful.

I was reeling because, I mean, of all the boyfriends I had, I would have expected him to not be the one that cheated on me.

I didn`t really allow myself to have much emotion about it.

She was under the impression that he and I were no longer together so that I didn`t look at this as her fault. At that point I allowed myself to cry. He was very loyal. I trusted him completely, like implicitly. He could have said the sky is falling and I would have believed him. I think I would have just looked out the window to see what it looks like.

I also confronted Matt and he confirmed it, and at that point he was honest about it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you love Matt?

ARIAS: Very much, yes. I was in love with him. Probably one of the best times in my life. Basically our relationship was over and it was kind of sad. I was in love with him. It was kind of sad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In that year and eight months, did he ever hit you?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he ever call you a whore?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A slut?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three-hole wonder?

ARIAS: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Was that Jodi Arias talking about what, boyfriend number 14, 15? He cheated on me, I looked at his laptop, he was sending sexy messages, I confronted him, blah, blah, blah.

How many takes was it, Jean? I mean I heard about so many boyfriends, they were all horrible. She was always wonderful. They cheated. They tried to strangle her. They did this. They did that. She brokes -- breaks up, moves in with the next one. One is involved in witchcraft, one is a Buddhist, one is -- it just goes on and on and on.

(LAUGHTER)

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": That`s true.

GRACE: And then Travis Alexander runs into her. I don`t understand where it`s going but I will say, to me it`s irrelevant. You`re saying the jury seems interested, Jean.

CASAREZ: I think there`s something very relevant about what you just said, all right, and it has to do with that boyfriend Matthew McCartney. And she`s with his parents. She sees a picture on the computer of him with another woman. So what does she do? She gets in her car and she drives to Crater Lake, Oregon, to confront the woman, Bianca.

I see a pattern, Nancy, driving to confront. I see a pattern here. That`s relevant for the prosecution.

GRACE: Angry and jealous confrontations with other women, women that her love object is dating. You are absolutely right, Jean. We heard that and so much more.

To Liz in New York. Your question was, you see her as the aggressor and what was your question, Liz?

LIZ, CALLER FROM NEW YORK: Do you think -- she`s coming off as cocky and arrogant and just a turnoff.

GRACE: Good question.

LIZ: Do you think Juan Martinez will show the picture of Travis Alexander dead? Because that picture shows jealous rage, not a victim of domestic violence.

GRACE: Good point, Liz. Let`s go to Susan Constantine. She is a body language expert, a jury consultant. She is joining me out of Orlando.

What do you see, Susan?

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT/JURY CONSULTANT: Well, what I`ve been watching the entire time today. One of the things that I thought about was, you know, this connection that Jean was saying about leaning forward, they`re very engaged. You know, the eyes are the strongest communicator. Rapport is building up. But here`s what I`ve seen, is that when she is talking about visual things that happened to her, I don`t see her looking up and capturing the visual image. And also, too, when she`s talking about something that was hurtful, I don`t see her looking down where she is kind of, you know, reliving that experience.

So their eye movement queues are not even in sync with her words and neither is her body language. And I think that that`s what intrigues this jury. They`re trying to connect the dots.

GRACE: OK. Explain to us what it means.

CONSTANTINE: Well, what -- with the eye movement queues? When somebody is looking up, and she is right-handed, when she was -- if she is telling the truth and it was a visual image, she would look up to the left- hand corner just for a brief moment. If she was constructing the information, she`d look up to the right-hand corner. If she`s having a kinesthetic moment, something that`s very feeling, where she was abused and so forth, she`s going to look down.

You`re going to also hear her voice crack, you might see sadness come over her face. That there is going to be other indicators which we call cluster gestures. It`s not just the words spoken and her words because she is just speaking it out. There`s no other emotions other than that. There`s not enough there to really connect the dots. They`re not consistent. It`s incongruent.

GRACE: Out to Caryn Stark, psychologist.

Caryn, all of this, I think, is an effort to make her look as if she is a victim of a string of men. I don`t know why all the different religions, how that`s going to play in unless she is easily led down the garden path because one guy introduces her to witchcraft, one to Buddhism, one to Hinduism, Mormonism.

I`m not really sure how many there are. But there was witchcraft and Wicca. What does all this mean, Caryn Stark?

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I think they`re trying to show that she has a dependent personality, Nancy. And that she`s searching, she`s constantly searching. She is looking externally, bring men to support her --

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GRACE: All I know is she depended on a knife and a gun. That`s what she depended on. Go ahead. What now?

STARK: There is no doubt about what you`re saying. And I think it`s important to point out that she is coming across so disassociated, so separated from feelings that, it is -- to me, that`s a murderous person, that`s somebody who is definitely capable of murder and rage.

GRACE: Hey, Caryn?

STARK: That the anger is internalized.

GRACE: Caryn Stark, take a listen to this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was he attempting to remove your clothing?

ARIAS: Yes. We both were taking off our clothes, I think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. At this point in time was this level of intimacy something that you felt comfortable with?

ARIAS: At this point I was a little more comfortable with it because we had been talking for a long time and I felt like I knew him better. And, also, I don`t think I was as nervous because it wasn`t the first time that we were like that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. In your mind was this supposed to be a romantic weekend, if you will?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it turn out to be that?

ARIAS: Not so much romance. It wasn`t everything I was expecting, but I didn`t have high expectations. But we didn`t connect really like we did on the phone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You wanted to become involved in the real estate market. Did you -- did you do anything besides just look at purchasing a home? Did you educate yourself or anything of that nature?

ARIAS: Yes, I took real estate classes at Monterey Peninsula College just to become more familiarized with the process of real estate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Purchasing the home at this point in time, do you remember how much that home cost?

ARIAS: I believe it was 350 -- $350,000.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was your financial situation at that point in time when you`re buying the house?

ARIAS: I was in a pretty solid financial position. I had a lot of money in the bank saved -- well a lot -- by a lot I mean about $10,000 or $12,000 which, I think at that point in my life was the most I had saved ever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Jodi Arias on the stand for day two. I feel like I`ve been in front of -- like in clockwork orange -- out to you, Bonnie Druker -- where they force your eyes open with toothpicks and I have to listen to Jodi Arias go on and on and on about all the people that have mistreated her. Then I have to listen to her story about breaking up with her boyfriend, Brewer, and in less than, what, one week she has two sex encounters with Travis Alexander?

This is more like -- 72 hours after her breakup of her true love Brewer, her then true love, two sex encounters with Alexander, one in a car in the parking lot of Starbucks. Now she`s not charged with being not classy. But, I mean, it sounds like a revolving door. How are we supposed to connect with Jodi Arias?

BONNIE DRUKER, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: It`s impossible to connect with her. It`s hard to believe anything she says because she is constantly the victim. Every single relationship she talks about she is the victim, and we see this going now with Travis Alexander. Why did she even go there? How could someone have a hold on you after a week? And she`s already performing oral sex and feels uncomfortable.

Why did she even go there, Nancy? I have no idea.

GRACE: Well, I think she probably should have thought about that when she was in the floorboard of Travis Alexander`s car and he was zipping his pants up. That`s just a suggestion.

Out to the lines, Marie in Massachusetts. Hi, Marie, what`s your question?

MARIE, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Hi, Nancy. I was wondering what you thought about her statement, the most bitterest words I`ll ever eat. That had to do with herself and I think for me, or for most of us, the most bitter words we might hope never to eat is I killed my best friend, or I killed Travis, which she did not even acknowledge.

GRACE: You know, Marie -- you know what`s interesting -- Liz, hold on to Marie. You just verbalized what I was thinking but I hadn`t put words to it yet about her comment. What Marie is referring to is a taped interview that Arias gave behind bars in which she says no jury will ever convict me. You can mark my words.

OK, Liz, yes, let`s play it.

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ARIAS: I know that I`m innocent. God knows I`m innocent. Travis knows I`m innocent. No jury is going to convict me.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Why not?

ARIAS: Because I`m innocent. And you can mark my words on that one. No jury will convict me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That he was Jodi Arias on "Inside Edition." And you`ll notice even behind bars she is extremely physically attractive, but they`ve mouse d her down, you know, for the courtroom. But that`s what Marie in Massachusetts is referring to. She later says those words, I`ll never be convicted, were the bitterest words she ever had to eat, I think were her - - was her phraseology.

As opposed to any remorse about slashing Travis Alexander to death. And let me tell you, the way that he died was a very, very painful death. He bled out. That`s the common phraseology. She slashed him 29 times. He tried to get away from her. She pursued him. She pursued him across the bathroom floor continuing to stab him with a butcher knife nine times in his back.

She shot him from the top right head down, the bullet lodging in his left cheek. Then she tried to clean the crime scene. And left. But yet on the stand we hear no remorse whatsoever. And you know what`s interesting, out to you Caryn Stark. I can still remember, I think I was in the first grade, and there was a line to get on the monkey bars, some jungle gym or something.

And I got in front of another little girl. And I turned around and looked and the little girl just looked -- I still remember that moment and I feel bad about it. That was, what? Years and years and years ago that I did something bad and I remember it. It`s the first time I could recollect that I had done something that I was ashamed of even as a child. And even now I regret it. Isn`t that a silly little thing? But this woman says the thing -- the bitterest words were that she wouldn`t be convicted as opposed to what she did to Travis.

STARK: She is talking about her shame. It`s all about her, Nancy. I hope you forgive yourself, by the way, for what happened when you were young, but she doesn`t have any regret because she doesn`t feel. That`s what happens when somebody is a psychopath. They don`t have feelings and she`s loving every minute of being there and talking in front of everybody, and she loved talking on "Inside Edition."

That`s a classic murderer. That`s what everyone is seeing right now. She has no regrets.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you find it strange that Mr. Alexander was asking you to this banquet after only meeting him the day before?

ARIAS: I didn`t really think of it as strange. I think the whole week was kind of strange. It wasn`t really what I was accustomed to. So I was just going with the flow.

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GRACE: I just don`t understand what she was talking about, that she killed Travis Alexander. I don`t understand why she didn`t break down in tears of remorse for taking his life.

Out to Matt Zarrell, our producer on the story. Matt, at the end of the courtroom day, on what note did they end?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, Nancy, they actually left talking about this last -- the third sexual encounter between Travis Alexander and Jodi Arias, and the defense made a note of Arias that during the second encounter, they asked Arias if she was in love with Travis. Now remind you this is less than a week after she broke up with Darryl Brewer, and Arias said -- that when she said she was not in love with him, but they began talking every day, Travis began sending missionaries to her house, so it progressed from there.

GRACE: OK. So -- I don`t know how that really helped the defense, to say, all right, there you are on the floorboard of a car giving Travis Alexander a blow job outside a Starbucks, and you`ve just broken up with your four-year relationship, and you are saying you are not in love and you really didn`t feel anything for him at that time. How is that helping her, Jean Casarez?

CASAREZ: You know, Nancy, this is a self-defense case. As you know, it`s all about her state of mind. She`s going to want the instruction in the end that it`s a reasonable person in the self-defense aspect who`s a victim of domestic violence. So if you start to look at the aspect of control over her, that`s what they`re going for, I guess that`s the beginning step here. But we haven`t seen any domestic violence yet.

GRACE: Out to C.W. Jensen, retired police captain, joining us from Arizona.

C.W., she is wearing a stun belt in court. How does that work?

C.W. JENSEN, RETIRED PORTLAND POLICE CAPTAIN: Well, what they do is - - I mean, obviously, they have some concern about her mental stability, so they want to have a device on her so if she nuts up on him, you know, they don`t have to have a couple of cops run up and like, you know -- you know, hit her with a stun gun and choke her out or anything like that. So it`d be very easy if she gets crazy on the stand. They just have to hit the button, boom, she goes down, and it`s very nice and clean, and you don`t have to have a big deal.

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GRACE: We remember American hero, Army Staff Sergeant Roberto Luisa, 28, El Paso, Texas. Fourth tour, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal. Parents Roberto and Emita, sisters Mercedes and Karena, brother Esteban, widow, Teresa, and children Mason and Kayla.

Roberto Luisa. American hero.

Straight out to Beth Karas, legal correspondent, "In Session," in court all day long along with Jean Casarez.

Beth, between all the boyfriends, the oral sex and the car at Starbucks, am I missing anything?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: No, you`re not. I swear, Nancy if we have to go through every sexual encounter she had with Travis Alexander and every conversation and every trip they took, she`s going to be on the stand through next week. Especially now the court is -- going to be dark on Thursday. So I mean she has gone through the first few sexual encounters with him and made it sound like it was all Travis forcing himself on her, but she went along with it not to hurt his feelings. And I guess we`ll pick up with another sexual encounter when --

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GRACE: I didn`t realize you had to go along with a blowjob not to hurt a guy`s feelings. That`s a new thing to me. It sounds like one of those horrible, horrible conversations you have at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning with some girl whose boyfriend has broken up and she`s reliving everything that ever happened from day one.

We`re going on day two. How many more boyfriends, breakups, blowjobs do I have to hear?

KARAS: Well, probably a lot of the latter, but no more boyfriend. It`s all going to be Travis here on in. Because, you know, it`ll be -- it will end with the killing of him and then her arrest, I suppose. But there will be a lot more sex and a lot more detail, and different acts they engaged in to come.

GRACE: You know what`s interesting? Jean Casarez, she goes on and on and on about all these sex encounters, but she never says, I was angry, I said no. I mean, it`s kind of like, she`s saying no, don`t, no, don`t, as she unsnaps her bra. I mean, I -- I`m not really moved by this.

CASAREZ: You know why that`s relevant, Nancy, for the prosecution is because throughout her life, she broke up with almost every guy. She said no, she said this isn`t right. She was very assertive with them.

GRACE: OK. Everybody, we`re going to be right back in the courtroom, at the heart of all this is Travis Alexander. Let`s don`t forget him being slashed to death as we watch Jodi Arias on the stand.

"DR. DREW" up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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