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CNN SUNDAY MORNING
Massive Manhunt Enters Fourth Day; Boston Begins Storm Cleanup; Naeem Kahn Designs A-List Clients
Aired February 10, 2013 - 07:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, everyone. I'm Deborah Feyerick, in this morning for Randi Kaye. It is 7:00 and we're so glad that you could join us here this morning.
Well, we begin this hour with the massive multistate manhunt for a rogue ex-cop who apparently has vowed vengeance on the men and women he used to work with. Police are on alert in three states, California, Nevada and Arizona, and in Mexico for any sign of Christopher Dorner. By land and air, search teams are combing the mountainous resort area of Big Bear Lake where Dorner's truck was spotted Thursday. He's accused of killing three people, including a police officer and the daughter of a retired cop.
Police say it's just a matter of time before they catch him.
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ASSISTANT CHIEF CHRIS VICINO, RIVERSIDE POLICE: We're coming together today to catch Mr. Dorner. What that means is we will look under every rock, we will look around every corner and we will search mountaintops for him. The Riverside Police Department is pledging all of their resources to this effort.
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FEYERICK: No, police are urging Dorner to turn himself in. They say no one else has to die.
Dorner seems to have vanished from sight, but he's apparently leaving (AUDIO GAP). CNN's Casey Wian has more on that part of the manhunt.
WIAN (voice-over): The surveillance video from the alley behind an auto accessories store near San Diego is time stamped 9:08 Monday morning, 12 hours after the daughter of a retired LAPD officer and her fiance were reported killed 90 miles away in Irvine, California. It shows fugitive Christopher Dorner's truck and a man who appears to be Dorner throwing items in a dumpster.
MAJID YAHYAI, OWNER, PLATINUM AUTO SPORTS: Monday morning when I came in, opened the shop and business as usual, one of the employees went to throw the trash. After he came back, he came back with a clip like a magazine full of bullets, a belt, a military belt and helmet. And he brought it to me and I said where did you find it, he said I find it in the back of the dumpster.
WIAN: Reporting what he found was as simple as walking across the street to the National City police station.
YAHYAI: They're there (ph) across the street, believe it or not.
WIAN: Yahyai says police told him the items were connected to a double homicide in Irvine. It's chilling that the ex-co with the vendetta against police was so close to a police station so soon after the shootings police say started his killing spree.
Police would not confirm the video's authenticity, but it does match the still photo of Dorner's vehicle the Irvine Police Department released Thursday, the day the Dorner is suspected of shooting at four officers, killing one. Hours before those shootings, still photos captured Dorner paying for gasoline at a service station in Corona, California, authorities say.
Separately, the Los Angeles police chief announced he would reopen the investigation into Dorner's firing in 2007.
CMDR. ANDREW SMITH, LOS ANGELES POLICE: He's not opening it because of the accusations or because of the musings of someone who is a multiple murderer now. He's doing it because he wants to ensure that the public knows that the Los Angeles Police Department is fair and transparent.
WIAN: Several southern California law enforcement agencies announced the formation of a joint task force to find Dorner.
(on camera): CNN has learned authorities in the United States have alerted their counterparts in Mexico to be on the lookout for Dorner. As one law enforcement official put it, he could be anywhere.
Casey Wian, CNN, Los Angeles.
FEYERICK: And the case takes a bizarre turn with the addition of Charlie Sheen. That's right, Charlie Sheen. The actor was named as a, quote, "awesome" in Christopher Dorner's 11 page manifest foe in which he names many people.
Well, Sheen responded with a message for Dorner last night. "The Anger Management" star posted a video on TMZ.com asking for the fugitive to call him. Sheen said, together, they can figure out a way to end the manhunt. It might be hard, though. Sheen didn't leave his number.
Well, we turn to the weather now and the massive cleanup that has begun after a brutal winter storm dumped as much as three feet -- three feet -- across the Northeast.
Connecticut took the brunt of the storm. The town of Hamden seeing an incredible 40 inches of snow.
Massachusetts, it was one for the record books. When the totals went through, Boston saw 25 inches. It is the fifth biggest snowfall in history. That's where we find meteorologist Indra Peterson this morning.
Indra, 25 inches. People are digging out. Yesterday, they were able to enjoy doing nothing. Today, not so much.
INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Right, exactly. The good news, we're no longer standing in a blizzard, but it is still cold and we're talking about the current situation of 308,000 people still without power overnight. And it was cold night. Temperature, again with the little bit of wind chill, was below freezing. Currently, we're just seeing temperatures in the teens.
But as I mentioned, the good news is the sun is out.
But you were talking about this. I mean, here we go, 24.9 inches of snow. What do we do with it all? Yes, you know, we're trying to clean it up today.
Here's what we're doing. We have lifted the driving ban. People can drive around, but they have not lifted the snow emergency. What that means is they still need to be cleaning up the roads throughout the day. So, no one is allowed to park on the main roads.
The other problem is we actually have one day for the clean up. You may have heard, by tomorrow, we're going to be talking about more ice and even rain. So we only have one day with the sun out to do what we can, flooding will be the next concern. Even if some of it starts to melt today, temperatures expected to be above freezing.
One more thing we all have been talking about -- travel. Yes, Logan did open one of their runways last night at 11:00 p.m. But keep in mind, over 5,000 flights have been delayed or canceled since last Thursday. So, it will take a long time to play catch up. And you already know, look at all the other hubs across the country today, it's going to be some hard work out here.
FEYERICK: Yes, what's fascinating is that the governors in many of the states are saying, yes, they're going to be ready for business first thing Monday.
OK, Indra Petersons live in Boston for us this morning. Thanks so much.
Well, the Northeast is seeing some signs that things are getting back on track today, as Indra mentioned. All major airports are once again up and running after more than 2,000 flights across the nation were canceled, that was just yesterday according to flight aware tracking. More than 5,000 total were canceled for the weekend.
And getting everyone back on those canceled flights will mean longer than usual wait times. So bring a sandwich. Bring your patience. And just prepare to wait. Power crews are working to restore electricity to some 400,000 people today across the nine states. Massachusetts and Rhode Island were hit the hardest in terms of power outages. And today, almost 300,000 customers remain in the dark in Massachusetts while more than 75,000 are still without electricity in Rhode Island.
And it is going to be a messy commute when all the snow starts to melt.
Meteorologist Alexandra Steele is standing by.
And, Alexandra, a little bit of melting and a little bit of freezing, right?
ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes, it's going to be a roller coaster. Not a lot of melting today. Temperatures right now are only in the teens. Highs in the Northeast today, only in the 30s. So, not a lot of melting going on.
But notice tomorrow, temperatures, we're going to see a southerly wind pull in. You can see temperatures warm into the 40s. So we're going to begin to see that melting.
But the problem for Monday, we've got rain and we've got the next storm system coming this. So if you're in Boston, maybe the T is a good idea. On Monday, what we're going to see tomorrow is a mix of rain and snow in the morning with temperatures in the 30s. And then by the afternoon, temperatures rise in to the 40s and it will all be rain. But you're going to notice the winds really kick in.
In New York City, a little bit of different scenario. It will be a rainy morning, Monday going into work, but in the afternoon, we'll see 45 degrees and the rain will have moved out by then.
Now, here's what's happening -- an area of low pressure has developed in the Rockies. What will happen with that, it will bring snow. We actually have blizzard warnings from North Dakota to Nebraska. Rain today about a half an inch of it in Chicago. And here is Monday 10:00 a.m., you see a lot of the rain and then it pushes off the coast.
And in New York, Deb, it's done, it's moved out already by the time you make your way home tomorrow afternoon.
FEYERICK: All right. Well, something to keep an eye on. Alexandra Steele, thanks so much.
STEELE: You're welcome.
FEYERICK: Well, he was a cop on the L.A. police force and was a Navy reservist lieutenant. So what could have prompted Christopher Dorner to go over the edge and allegedly kill three people in cold blood? We're going to take a look at that for you, next.
FEYERICK: Good morning, Washington, D.C.
Take a look. This is a live shot on the of the nation's capital this Sunday morning as the sunrise looms over the National Mall.
What could have prompted a former cop and Navy reserve lieutenant to apparently snap and kill three people in cold blood? That is what everyone wants to know about Christopher Dorner who is the focus of a massive three-state manhunt, California, Nevada and also people are even thinking Mexico he might.
I'm joined now by Dr. Michael Welner, psychiatrist, one of the top forensic psychiatrists in America, the author of "The Depravity Scale".
We appreciate you getting up to talk about this.
I want to understand, the LAPD has just come out and they said that they are going to reopen the investigation into whether Dorner was legitimately fired. That's Dorner's demand, that's why he says he's doing this.
What is your take on that? Are they caving?
MICHAEL WELNER, FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST: I don't think that we can really regard in as -- I don't think we can speak for what goes up at the upper echelons of the LAPD and also the political forces that they're contending with. I will tell you that the victory for Dorner already happened as soon as the news media decided to start reading passages from his manifesto, put his smiling face on the air such as we have it and treat him as if he's someone we can relate to.
When Jared Loughner shot Gabby Giffords and killed six people, including a federal judge, nobody was dissecting his manifesto and trying to see what was legitimate. So we've normalized what he says as a last resort, which is why people who are disgruntled think of spectacle crime as no longer a last resort.
I will tell you that for all of those who say that he is psychotic or speculate about his emotional condition, obviously not having examined him, I will tell you that the person who invokes his work place to this degree, who has failed to achieve intimacy, to achieve family, who targets family, who has that resentment, is a familiar presence of someone who is overly invested in succeeding at work, it never works out for him, the way his esteem, the way his ego believes that he's entitled to. And he's resentful in a way that his grudge becomes him.
We all recognize that life isn't fair. We all experience injustice at one time or another. Some people get over their grudges. Some people never get over their grudges.
And what defines a workplace-related shooter and a spectacle killer like this is that his grudge defines him. I will also tell you that the longer he goes without being caught, the less likely it is that he is psychotic, because a person who is psychotic, when you consider the manhunt that's pursuing him now, the level of disorganization associated with psychosis and the decisions that one would have to make under pursuit is such that there's no way that he would keep it up.
His victory is --
FEYERICK: So he's got -- yes?
WELNER: His victory, and this is frightening, is like Eric Rudolph back in 1998, the media is responsibility for creating a serious discussion about this and as a result, there are too many people available to him now who will protect him and hide him the way they did in 1998. The best --
FEYERICK: OK. Let me stop you there, let me just stop you there, because I do agree with things that you're saying. But, you know, when we say that the media sort of somebody who's shining a spotlight on it -- let's be clear -- this man is hunting police officers. He's made that very clear that he's not afraid to die, that he feels he's going to down in the blaze of glory. He could disappear the same way Eric Rudolph did.
WELNER: That's right.
FEYERICK: He could become a sniper like the D.C. sniper.
So this is a man very well-armed, according to sources that I spoke to, and he's got a plan. He's had three years to do this. So --
WELNER: I agree. I agree.
FEYERICK: Does the media play a role? Well, maybe they do.
FEYERICK: But you've got the police department on high alert. There is extraordinary tension.
And one of the things Dorner said is he said the LADP has suppressed the truth, it has led to deadly consequences. This man has no problem making sure that he makes his point and ending it, even if it has to be violent.
Do you think it ends violently?
WELNER: I think that the longer we don't hear from him and we haven't heard from him, the more he makes it amply clear that he is trying to get away so he can watch us having a serious discussion about him.
I think the best thing that people in southern California can do is look at this case like the AMBER alert. If people heard he kidnapped a small child and was on the loose, everybody -- everybody would be looking out for him.
People have their issues with the LAPD, people have their issues with police officers, but you cannot send a message to the disgruntled that any workplace or in society, that murder is an option. I think what he needs to see is the people of Los Angeles all wearing LAPD gear the way we did in New York after 9/11.
There has to be a solidarity with the institutions to say their channels, whether in the Los Angeles Police Department or the Department of Justice, to look into things. But if you are going to start killing people like Quan's daughter, people who are innocent saying you'll wreak havoc, you heard everybody. Southern California is paralyzed while he carries out his entitlement to draw attention to grievance. That's unacceptable.
FEYERICK: Sure, sure.
WELNER: When you see Charlie Sheen coming in and saying, call me, then public information and those of us who inform the public have failed, because that's unacceptable.
FEYERICK: And I understand murder is never ever, ever an option obviously in this case, but it's interesting when you read the top part of the manifesto, he starts to make sense. About halfway through, he digresses -- not that he's not smart.
WELNER: Every spectacle killer -
FEYERICK: We have to cut it, Michael Welner, but thank you so much.
WELNER: Every spectacle killer wraps himself in something righteous that people can relate to. Always remember that.
FEYERICK: OK. Dr. Welner, forensic psychiatrist, thank you. We appreciate all your time.
Well, moving on to something a little bit lighter. Fashionistas, listen up. One of hottest designers much fashion week, they're talking to us next. We'll introduce before he gives up a sneak peek of his collection.
FEYERICK: Sure it may be cold and snowy outside in New York, but things are heating up at the Lincoln Center for fashion week. Nadia is our very own fashionista and she's got a nice surprise for all the Naeem Khan fashion fans out there.
Nadia, he has dressed some of the top people. Eva Longoria, the First Lady Michelle Obama, Penelope Cruz. He's a big deal.
NADIA BILCHIK, CNN EDITORIAL PRODUCER: He's a big deal and he's so talented, Deb. I don't know if you've seen his work, but just the ornate embroidery. He's an Indian-born American fashion designer whose run way show this week is expected to be a showstopper. His designs have been worn by megastars such as Lady Gaga and A-list celebrities such Michelle Lea.
But there is no bigger fan than the first lady herself. We'll get to that in a moment.
But first, I'd like to welcome Naeem Khan, who is joining from us New York this morning.
Naeem, how are you?
NAEEM KHAN, FASHION DESIGNER: I'm fine. Good morning. How are you, Nadia?
BILCHIK: You must be quite tired. You're working on your show. Have you been up for all hours of the night?
KHAN: Well, fashion week is nonstop. So, I mean, from here, I go back to the studio. It was up to 11:00 last night.
BILCHIK: And what are we going to see from Naeem Khan in this fall fashion show?
KHAN: Glamour and more glamour. I just wanted to up the ante this season. I wanted to be super glam from using crystals. The inspiration started from the sketches of Erte, of art deco, but mixing byzantine and taking Ottoman Empire and you're taking all the luxury from that part of the world and mixing it with Erte, but modern and clean for the today woman.
BILCHIK: And you've designed for the first lady several times, I think over eight times. And you're on the short list for Michelle Obama's inaugural gown. How has that impacted your life, Naeem? I mean, working and designs for Michelle Obama.
KHAN: It's an amazing, amazing experience. Amazing journey that I'm so grateful for. It has changed my business. I mean, the awareness of my brand from here all the way to India where I was born, it's become so huge.
I mean, I go -- people are just aware of the brand and the more aware you are of the brand, the biggest your business can become. So --
BILCHIK: Does she get to keep the dresses? After she wears them and that exquisite white that she wore after the inauguration, does she get to keep it, does she return it?
KHAN: No, of course, just like any other client, she's a client of mine. And she gets to keep her dresses. She gets those dresses, yes.
BILCHIK: And tonight, we have the Grammys and the Oscars coming up, can we expect to see any of your designs on the red carpet?
KHAN: I don't know because I've been so focused on my collection that I have to keep myself away from that for the moment because my show is in two days. I leave it for my P.R. to get all that stuff done. So, Jenny from my office has been working frantically to see, you know, to make sure that whoever needs whoever their needs are being taken care of. BILCHIK: Well, Naeem Khan, thank you so very much for joining us and making the world just a more beautiful place.
KHAN: You know, who doesn't love shine, who doesn't love glamour. You make, it's beautiful to be glamorous. I'm so happy to be a part of it. Thank you.
BILCHIK: And some of those innate embroidery, just tell us briefly, where does it get done?
KHAN: I was born in it. It comes from my family. My family has been in this business it for three generations.
BILCHIK: Well, thank you again, we simply love your work and remember, we've got your back stage pass for New York fashion week at CNN.com.
KHAN: I'm looking forward to seeing you.
BILCHIK: All right, Nadia, thank you so much. And I do have to admit, I had to Google Erte, because I didn't know who it was. But it was 20th century artist, Russian born French artist.
So, for those of you who didn't get the reference or me.
Anyway, a vow from police in Los Angeles. They say they'll find the cop killer, Christopher Dorner. A live report on that manhunt, coming up next.
FEYERICK: Police say he's armed and dangerous. The massive manhunt for Christopher Dorner now entering its fourth day.
CNN's Paul Vercammen is in Big Bear Lake, California, where search teams are heading back out there today.
And, Paul, what is the mood amongst police out there today?
PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Deborah, I have to tell you, they are still very much on edge. I mean, they've seen fellow officers killed and they know how many officers and families have been threatened. So, when you watch them go door to door, Deborah, they're extremely vigilant.
Also, the federal government getting involved. The Department of Homeland Security did issue to be on the lookout for Dorner in terms of small airports in the area. They say that nobody should allow someone to get on the plane without proper ID.
Now, could Dorner commandeer a plane? It has been said in his Navy background he did have some flight training. Certainly, he's not a pilot. We checked with the Big Bear Lake airport, by the way, and officials there say they know who is coming and going and there's no way that Dorner had or will take a plane out of there. Also, when they go back out today they will resume the door to door search. They will also launch helicopters and go at it by air. And also, the Riverside Police Department has a heavy toll on all of this because they saw one of their officers shot and another wounded. So, they are vowing to get their man as everybody involved in this from Irvine to LAPD, to Riverside, to the San Bernardino County sheriff, all of them getting involved, forming a joint task force and looking for Dorner, Deborah.
FEYERICK: All right. Paul Vercammen there for us -- thanks so much. We appreciate it. We'll check in with you a little later on at the top of the hour.
Clearly, a very serious situation as this police search as they themselves are also the targets, potential targets.
I'll see you back here at the top of the hour, 8:00 Eastern.
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