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CNN SUNDAY MORNING

Massive Manhunt Resumes for Dorner; Northeast Digs Out After Weekend Blizzard; Grammy Awards Tonight

Aired February 10, 2013 - 08:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): From CNN world headquarters in Atlanta, this is CNN SUNDAY MORNING.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will look under every rock, we will look around every corner, and we will search mountain tops for him.

FEYERICK: He's out there somewhere and L.A. police vow they will hunt him down. New developments this morning in the bizarre case of this rogue ex-cop.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is really no place to put the snow.

FEYERICK: Cleaning up and digging out. The snow's finally stopped falling in the Northeast. But get ready -- there's another storm brewing right now.

And tonight's the big night, and it's all about the dudes. So where do the women fit in this all-male affair?

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FEYERICK: Good morning, everyone. I'm Deborah Feyerick, in for Randi Kaye. It's 8:00. We're so glad that you could be here with us, to start your morning. Grab a cup of coffee.

Well, two big developing stories we're following on both ends of this country this morning.

On the West Coast, new details in a manhunt of a suspected cop killer in southern California.

And on the East Coast, recovery efforts under way in the aftermath of the monster blizzard.

Well, first, police plan to go door-to-door when they resume their search for accused triple killer Christopher Dorner in the snowy resort area of Big Bear Lake, California. A new surveillance video may provide key clues.

Let's go right now to CNN's Paul Vercammen at Big Bear Lake. And, Paul, tell us about the surveillance video. What does it show?

PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: OK. That surveillance video was taken in the San Diego area. It was from behind an auto parts store where there is an alley and dumpster.

A man who appears to be Dorner, his build -- don't forget -- almost unmistakable. He's six-feet all, 270 pounds. This man throws some objects into the dumpster. Later, recovered in a dumpster, a magazine full of bullets, a military belt, a military helmet.

And you can clearly see in the surveillance video, the truck that belonged to Dorner. We should also note that this happened the morning after the murders in Irvine, California, that Dorner is tied to. And that included Monica Quan, who is the daughter of an ex-LAPD officer.

Now, that truck was, of course, found later in the week burned out with a broken axle here in the Big Bear area. And that, of course, the last sign or clue that anyone has to Dorner's whereabouts, Deborah.

FEYERICK: Police are not saying very much. They are clearly looking for him. But have they suggested that the magazine that's found, the belt found? Was that something that may have been used in the killing of those two people?

VERCAMMEN: Well, it stands to reason that they are certainly looking over that as evidence tied to the killings, no doubt. And as you pointed out, there's almost a virtual media blackout, by the way, on the mountain yesterday. No one is speaking about it.

But I'm sure they are starting to try to match the magazine, the belt, the helmet, all that to Dorner and hope it provides some clues to where he might go. Also, the location of the place -- the -- the National City, suggests that Dorner likes to go in and through the San Diego area and has some sort of ties there. Because we now know, he also tried to commandeer a boat in that area -- Deborah.

FEYERICK: You know, Paul, it's interesting, because it seems that he has said in his manifesto, he's going to be off the grid basically. But there are sightings of him, and he seems to be leaving a trail, whether that's a trail to throw police off or whether it's not, they are searching very aggressively in the area where you are at.

VERCAMMEN: Well, absolutely, because, again, that's his last known whereabouts. The last anybody has seen of him.

So, he did go off the grid. He has been off the grid four days. I mean, this has been absolutely no sign of this deadly fugitive. And we should note, police are saying we are going to get our man.

Let's listen to the assistant chief with the Riverside police. FEYERICK: OK. We're going to come back to that sound bite in just a little while, Paul. You know, I do want to say, that this is just a frightening situation for the police and clearly they've got the Grammys coming up tonight. It's a big concern that something could happen then.

All right. Paul Vercammen, we're going to be checking in with you a little later on and this case takes a bizarre turn now with the addition of Charlie Sheen. The actor was mentioned as, quote, "awesome", unquote, in Christopher Dorner's 11-page manifesto. Sheen released a message to the media last night intended for Dorner.

In a short video, the "Anger Management" star urged the fugitive to contact him, saying, together, they can find a way to end the manhunt.

All right. Now, to other big story this morning. The aftermath of the brutal winter storm that took the lives of nine people across the Northeast.

Chris Welch takes us state by state to get the impact.

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CHRIS WELCH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): From Pennsylvania to Maine, the East Coast is digging out after a massive blast of winter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's just really no place to put the snow.

WELCH: On Long Island, people had to be rescued from cars left frozen in place in the middle of the road. One firefighter said it was like nothing he'd ever seen.

FIREFIGHTER: For them, very traumatic experience. Some with cell phone had no contact, ran out of gas and very frightened.

WELCH: The storm has resulted in a number of deaths, including that of a 12-year-old Boston boy who suffered carbon monoxide poisoning while sitting inside a running car to keep warm.

On the brighter side, in Worcester, Massachusetts, the National Guard helped EMS crews got to a home to deliver a baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank God for them because they are the ones that got us out of there.

WELCH: Utility crews and rescuers do their work, New Governor Andrew Cuomo is calling for residents to stay out of the way.

GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK: Please, stay in your homes. We do not need you on the roads. You have a large number of emergency vehicles and it is dangerous to be on the roads.

WELCH: Meanwhile, some are just enjoying the winter weather. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The snow so far has been really fun, right?

CHILD: Yes, it's been really fun.

WELCH: The storm dropped snow at a furious rate of up to four or five inches an hour. Parts of Connecticut saw total snowfall as high as 38 inches. This time lapse video shot on a deck in Hamden, Connecticut, the snow eventually covers the lens.

The blizzard knocked out power to more than 635,000 customers.

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FEYERICK: And that was Chris Welch reporting. Power has been restored to a third of those people. And travel ban on states like Massachusetts and Connecticut have lifted. Chris Welch, thanks.

Well, the city of Boston is now digging out from 25 inches of snow. That's the fifth biggest snowfall in the city's history. That's where we find meteorologist Indra Petersons this morning.

And what's it like so early in the city? You're still in shade, which means it's colder that it would be once that the sun comes out.

INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes. I mean, finally, I'm not standing in this blizzard anymore, right? We're not seeing heavy snow. I'm not seeing these strong gusts trying to tip me over.

But what we are dealing with are 308,000 people in the state of Massachusetts without power. And as you mentioned, take a look at all of the snow out here -- 24.9 inches to be impact as you mentioned. The fifth largest amount the city has ever seen.

So the question today is how are we going to clean up the snow? What are we going to do?

Well, here's the problem, let me talk about it. The sun that's up, that means we'll talk about the snow melting. You can actually see we are trying to clean it up here just right behind me, because we only have one day to clean it up.

Now, here's the conditions. Today, people can drive around. They can get back to normal. But what they can't do is park on city streets. We still have a snow emergency in effect.

So with that, they are doing everything they can to clean it up before temperatures come up today -- 34 degrees. That's the expected high, and with that we could see all of this causing some urban flooding.

Then, by tomorrow, another storm is headed this way and what does that mean? Well, first, more ice, and then additional rain. So all of the flooding concerns will only be enhanced through tomorrow.

We add to that travel concerns. We know Logan opened up a runway. There's still 5,000 delays to deal with, hoping get back on track through today.

FEYERICK: All right. Indra Petersons, we cued the snow -- the plow right on time.

All right. Thanks so much, Indra Petersons, in Boston. Appreciate it.

PETERSONS: All of it (ph).

FEYERICK: That's right, exactly.

Well, Monday morning's commute may be a bit messy in the Northeast. It may also be dangerous.

Meteorologist Alexandra Steele here to tell us if the weather will do anything to help -- Alexandra.

ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Hi. All right. What we're going to see today is not a lot of help, but not a lot of melting. Temperatures still cold.

Right now in the Northeast, temperatures for the most part, in the teens, feeling like single digits. But we're only going to see highs today in the 30s. Tomorrow, we are going to see some warm up, winds will shift, become a little more southerly, take temperatures into the 40s -- 47 in Springfield, Hartford, Boston, 45.

So, the problem we will see, because we are going to see some rain move in, especially in storm drain areas where the storm drains are clogged by the snow. That's the potential where urban flooding could be a concern, because we do have this next storm moving in as Indra was talking about.

For tomorrow, in the morning, we're going to see temperatures about 30 degrees, a mix of rain and snow. By the afternoon, we're going to see, it'd all change over as temperatures rise to 43, but the winds are going to be notable. So, wind and rain tomorrow for the commute home in Boston.

South of that, in New York City, it's going to be a little different, an all-rain affair. In the morning, rain, by the afternoon, commute (ph). We're going to watch this rain end about 2:00 or 3:00. 3:00, 5:00, 6:00. It will be dry, cloudy skies.

But here's what's happening, an area of low pressure is developing in the Rockies, bringing blizzard conditions today. We have actually blizzard warnings for the Dakotas, into Nebraska. We're going to see rain today in Chicago. About half an inch, but it's just a rainmaker.

Duluth to the Twin Cities, a few inches of snow, maybe between four and six. But Monday morning, here's the rain in the Northeast, and exacerbating potential flooding problems because it's rain and we're going to see all that snow that we've seen, maybe clog the storm drains. But by the time the afternoon hits, we're going to see clearing in New York and then it will push off and temperatures will warm up.

So, a few issues, and at night, of course, Deb, we're going to watch temperatures cool so that melting may refreeze. So, kind of a -- a bit of a roller coaster the next couple of days.

FEYERICK: All right. A whole new set of challenges for people trying to get to work tomorrow.

STEELE: Yes.

FEYERICK: Alexandra Steele, thanks so much.

Well, can't wait for the Grammys tonight? You are in luck. Predictions and special look at music's biggest night with a panel of our own pop culture and entertainment experts.

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FEYERICK: So hard to believe it's been a year since Whitney Houston died on the eve of last year's Grammy Awards. But according to sources on E Online, friend and music mogul Clive Davis paid tribute to the legend by what else? Playing her music at last night's pre-Grammy party the Beverly Hilton Hotel. That is the same place that Houston was found dead just before last year's party.

And tonight is music's big night. The 55th annual Grammy Awards kick of live in Los Angeles in about 12 hours.

But we right here this morning are giving you a special preview with two of our favorite entertainment guests, entertainment journalist and pop culture expert Jawn Murray and "US Weekly" senior editor, Bradley Jacobs.

Gentlemen, last year belonged to Adele. But this year, it's very much a boys club at the Grammys. Tonight's major nods, male artists, Fun, Mumford & Sons, Frank Ocean, Kanye West, Jay-Z. It doesn't end there, the most coveted album of the year, also male nominated.

The nominees -- I sound like a presenter, I'm so excited -- the Black Keys "El Camino", Fun's album, "Some Nights," "Babel" by Mumford & Sons, Frank Ocean's album "Channel Orange", and finally, "Blunderbuss" by Jack White.

So, gentlemen, your predictions. Let's start with Jawn.

Who do you think is going to take it home?

JAWN MURRAY, ALWAYSALIST.COM I think it's going to be a big night for Frank Ocean. Frank is having what I would like to call success de esteem. He has one of the most critically acclaim projects of 2012. His peers love it, even though it hasn't been that commercially viable.

So, it hasn't done extremely in retail, hasn't been a huge massive radio hits, but clearly the industry loves it, which is why he's in so many categories.

FEYERICK: Which is amazing, because he hasn't sold more than a million albums which, you know, is not a lot in terms of sales. Did I just say albums?

MURRAY: It's all right. We still use that word, too, Deb.

FEYERICK: OK. Well.

Brad, are we expecting any big surprises at tonight's show?

BRADLEY JACOBS, US WEEKLY: I don't know about big surprises. What you're going to see is Justin Timberlake open the show and he has not performed on the Grammys for four years. But, you know, he has a new album out in a few months, single suit and tie. I feel like that's something really going to be drawing people.

I don't think you will see the ratings that we saw last year, which was Adele's big year. You know, Adele had the biggest album since "Thriller". And she took home all of those Grammys.

I don't think it's going to be quite that big, but, of course, you have all of the artists nominated that you mentioned before, all those male artists. Plus, you're going to see Taylor Swift performed and Kelly Clarkson, and Rihanna doing a duet with Bruno Mars and Sting. Sorry, all of them together doing a mashup.

So, I mean, there are a lot of kind of fund things going on tonight.

FEYERICK: And what is so amazing to me, because everybody is talking about this, I was going over some of the -- the clothes that are the artists were wearing last year, and it's just -- you know, less material than most clothing that the average person wears. CBS is aware of this. They sent out a dress code.

Jawn, what do you think? You think that's actually going to fly or you think they're just going to challenge it?

MURRAY: Deb, I think they are underestimating these artists. You can be creative and innovative without being half naked. I mean, there was an artist named Dottie Peoples who in 2002, she wore an American flag gown and she was in the gospel category. No one in the mainstream knew her prior to Grammy night, but she was in all of the celebrity weeklies and all the fashion magazines just a week later.

Then, you had Lady Gaga who wore the meat dress a few years ago, the only flesh she was showing came from a cow. I mean, there have been some many artists from OK, go, who was dressed up like a high- fashion sword fighters one year. You can cover up and still be innovative.

And I believe we're going to see creative at its best tonight.

FEYERICK; Well, yes, and, Brad, maybe this goes to your point, Grammys are not going t to get the kind of viewership that they got last year in part because, you know, who wants to see somebody wearing, you know, a buttoned up I don't know dress?

JACOBS: I can't wait to see the person come in, in all black, up to here in response to this, that all the artists be demure.

I think it's very ironic. You know, this is rock and roll and for the Grammy, you know, folks to come out and just a few days before the event and say, oh, by the way, you know, don't show any flesh. Don't show anything puffy. I like that -- that suggestion.

You know, I think of some of the greatest outfits in Grammy history like Jennifer Lopez in that Versace dress -- Versace scarf that you showed about a minute ago. You know, that Toni Braxton in her butt-bearing dress a while ago.

You know, these are some of the greatest moments in fashion history. And I just think it's strange that the Grammys would suggest people kind of tone it down.

FEYERICK: Yes, because it almost shows the sort of flair, the creativity, the provocation that all of these artists harness in order to make their music so spectacular.

All right. We're out of time. Gentlemen, Jawn Murray and "Us Weekly's" Brad Jacobs, really appreciate your insights on this. Lots of fun. Thanks.

Well, tomorrow, he will be the 80th person to receive the Congressional Medal of Honor and only the fourth to do so while still living. We'll tell you about the bravery of former Staff Sergeant Clinton Romesha.

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FEYERICK: With explosions and flames all around them, chaos erupted at an American outpost in Afghanistan. But during that life and death attack, more than three years ago, one man stood out, former Staff Sergeant Clint Romesha. And for his incredible bravery and cunning, he is set to receive the Medal of Honor tomorrow.

He sat down with our own Jake Tapper.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's go!

STAFF SERGEANT CLINTON ROMESHA (RET), U.S. ARMY: There was movement everywhere. There were muzzle flashes everywhere. Just couldn't pick them out fast enough.

JAKE TAPPER, CNN CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): October 2009. Up to 400 Taliban fighters unleash a torrent of withering fire upon a remote U.S. outpost in eastern Afghanistan. The attack so fierce in the end more than half of the 53 U.S. troops at the outpost were killed or wounded. But as buildings burned and the enemy ran freely through the outpost, soldiers became heroes. One in particular.

ROMESHA: I know that there are so many great soldiers out there that would have stepped in to my shoes and done the same thing.

TAPPER: Former staff sergeant Clint Romesha is a reluctant hero. That day, he helped plan the recapture of Keating. And he led troops in repelling the onslaught of Taliban fighters during a grueling day- long battle.

Next week, Romesha will receive the Medal of Honor, the highest award for combat bravery, becoming just the fourth living recipient among those who have bed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Chris Jones was a young private under Romesha's command when the Taliban struck.

CHRIS JONES, FORMER PRIVATE FIRST CLASS, U.S. ARMY: He is, in my opinion, the only reason we came back that day.

TAPPER (on camera): You led them right into places where your fellow soldiers had already been killed. That's why you're getting this medal. Others had died in a place that you ran into.

You weren't worried?

ROMESHA: There wasn't time to sit there and worry about stuff out of our control. We had the tools. We had the training. We had the spirit. And we had the support of each other. And it was the time.

TAPPER (voice-over): By the end of the day, eight soldiers were dead and 23 wounded.

Clint Romesha now has a place in history, one that he shares with his comrades.

ROMESHA: It's a greater honor to -- for me to know I couldn't have done what I did without those guys, that team. It was everybody that day. That's what's, you know -- excites me about this. It's those guys.

TAPPER: Jake Tapper, CNN, in Minot, North Dakota.

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FEYERICK: And you can watch the rest of Jake Tapper's report, "An American Hero: The Uncommon Valor of Clint Romesha", tonight at 8:00 Eastern. Join us here on CNN as we watch together.

And pastor's wives taking a cue from the real housewives and pulling back the curtain on what life is like running a church. Not everyone is pleased. We'll meet one of the women from the TLC's latest hit, "The Sisterhood." (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KAYE: Welcome back, everyone, to CNN SUNDAY MORNING. I'm Deborah Feyerick, in for Randi Kaye.

Bottom of the hour now and here are some stories that we are watching for you this morning.

Police plan to head back out to a resort area in southern California to find an accused cop killer. They're looking for Christopher Dorner, the rogue ex-cop and retired Navy reserved lieutenant who allegedly gunned down three people, including a police officer, and the daughter of another officer.

It's believed he wanted revenge for being fired from the LAPD in 2008. That termination is now under review.

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COMMANDER ANDY SMITH, LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT: Chief Beck has directed that the Los Angeles Police Department reopen the investigation into the allegations that Officer Dorner made while he was on the department. Those were his -- those allegations that resulted in him being terminated.

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FEYERICK: Police are searching for Dorner by land and air. Helicopters will fan out again today over the big Bear Mountain.

Well back on the East Coast, people waking up to as many as three feet of snow. The blizzard is blamed for nine deaths, including a 14- year-old boy in Boston. Airports are open and flights have resumed. The people are still finding it difficult getting to their final destinations. Nearly 400,000 people are still without power this chilly morning.

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CLEOPATRA PENDLETON, MOTHER OF SLAIN TEENAGER: You don't know how hard this really is. And those of you that do know how hard this is, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No mother, no father, should ever have to experience this.

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FEYERICK: The pain and grief in her voice, that was Cleopatra Pendleton, the mother of the slain 15-year-old was buried yesterday. The Chicago honor student and band majorette, was gunned down just a week after performing at President Obama's inauguration. The First Lady attended the funeral and she met with the teen's friends and family.

A spokeswoman for former Florida Governor Jeb Bush condemns the hacking of Bush family e-mails calling it an outrageous breach of privacy. Private messages and photos exchanged between some members of the Bush family were made public last week, those e-mails included plans for the funeral of former President George H.W. Bush and portraits that former President George W. Bush painted of himself in the bathtub.

The toughest sheriff in America has joined forces with a tough action movie star, Arizona Sheriff Joseph Arpaio and actor Steven Seagal met this weekend to train armed volunteer posse members. Volunteers will protect against gunmen in Phoenix area schools. Arpaio came up with the idea for the posse after the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. Segal taught the trainees hand-to-hand combat and defense tactics.

Today on "Faces of Faith," we're taking a look at a new reality show. The ladies are brash and bold. They've got big personalities and even bigger drama. You might think we're talking about the latest "Real Housewives". Instead of ladies who lunch, the women we're talking about are ladies who pray. It's TLC's "Sisterhood" the show follows the lives of the women behind the women behind the men who lead some of the biggest churches in Atlanta. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the church world, a pastor's wife is called a first lady. Are you going to do good? Give me a kiss.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When are you married to a pastor, you're held to a higher standard.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Halleluiah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A first lady has to appear perfect because she sets the standard for the congregation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well if you pull back the curtain and see us for who we truly are, you would be shocked.

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FEYERICK: And of course what's a reality show without controversy this one has its share from the behavior of the women on the show to the topics, very racy topics in some cases that they bring up. This morning, we're delighted to be joining two of the stars of "Sisterhood", Delana Rutherford and her husband Pastor Myles Rutherford who together are overseeing Worship with Wonder Church and they've been doing that for seven years. Thank you so much and welcome.

MYLES RUTHERFORD, PASTOR, WORSHIP WITH WONDERS: Good morning.

FEYERICK: It's such a fascinating sort of look. A surprising look as well. You know, it's interesting, because this really shows a different side. Why did you decide to do the show Delana?

DELANA RUTHERFORD, "THE SISTERHOOD": You know we prayed, Deborah, for three months about this, just asking God.

M. RUTHERFORD: Yes.

D. RUTHERFORD: And the reason we did this, Pastor Myles and I, is because we felt like it was an assignment from God. You know God wants his people to go to the world. God loved the world, not just the church.

M. RUTHERFORD: Right.

D. RUTHERFORD: And so we wanted to go to be a light to the world as much as we could be.

FEYERICK: You know and it's fascinating. You -- if I were to meet you on the street, I would not necessarily say, oh, that's a pastor and his wife.

D. RUTHERFORD: Right.

M. RUTHERFORD: Right.

FEYERICK: You don't necessarily fit the mold.

M. RUTHERFORD: Yes.

FEYERICK: And that sort of comes out on this series.

D. RUTHERFORD: Yes.

FEYERICK: Because a lot of the wives they're talking about subjects like sex and other sort of -- the porn.

D. RUTHERFORD: Right.

FEYERICK: Now what is -- what's behind that? I think that's surprising. Many people will find that surprising.

D. RUTHERFORD: Absolutely. You know, I always say, even through the show. We're responsible for our actions.

M. RUTHERFORD: Yes.

D. RUTHERFORD: So we chose not to have certain conversations on this show. I think some things were meant to be kept private within your household, and so I can't answer for the other ladies not here today. But I can answer for what we put and the content that we put out on "The Sisterhood."

FEYERICK: And we did invite some of the other ladies, they didn't want to come. But Pastor, do you sometimes look at the show and say, oh, my God. How could she go there?

M. RUTHERFORD: Well you know my wife said I'm so godly proud of my wife, what she's put out there she's been a light to the world.

D. RUTHERFORD: Thank you.

M. RUTHERFORD: Some of the -- you know some of the scenes surely are a little abrupt to the world and that's fine. And this life that we live, you know, we have to realize that we are normal people, but at the same time, we -- we choose to go for holiness and godliness, and I think that's really what my wife has represented on the show and I'm so godly proud of that.

D. RUTHERFORD: Thank you.

FEYERICK: What's interesting, when -- as I mentioned we did offer some of the other pastor wives to come on to the show. And they refused. That sort of doesn't suggest sort of sisterly love or goodwill towards all. What's going on?

D. RUTHERFORD: You know, like I said. You know the show is called "Sisterhood", but I don't know that I could say that there's a lot of -- as far as my part, you know, we don't go eat lunch outside of the show, different things like that. So I can't answer for them. I can only answer for Pastor Myles and I and what we are representing and what we are doing. And I pray that what we put out there --

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M. RUTHERFORD: Yes.

D. RUTHERFORD: That we can you know be a light to somebody in what we are representing.

M. RUTHERFORD: Absolutely.

FEYERICK: So what are you representing? And why aren't the other pastor wives sort of on board?

D. RUTHERFORD: You know I think we all come from different walks of life.

M. RUTHERFORD: Yes.

D. RUTHERFORD: And we all have perspectives and we all have desires and reasons why we do things. And so again, you know, what we want to represent is a godly marriage -- is you know we have two wonderful children, Brooklyn and Lincoln. We have an amazing church -- Worship with Wonders. That we want the end of the show to still be intact and still be proud of what their pastors have put out there.

M. RUTHERFORD: Absolutely, absolutely.

FEYERICK: All right. I want you to take a listen to a sound bite from one of your other cast members. Let's listen.

D. RUTHERFORD: Ok.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This was the house where I smoked my first crack pipe in.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's a lot people don't know about me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Better watch yourself, girl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People don't expect a preacher and preacher's wife to have a good sex life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had sex and I got diseases.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's very difficult to be a first lady -- very difficult.

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FEYERICK: Ok, so what you have seen there is a scene of people talking about basically bondage, sexually transmitted diseases and crack. What kind of a message does that send? I mean, that is extremely controversial. Is that the message?

M. RUTHERFORD: You know the bible talks a lot about where we were before. And then he says, you know, there are certain people that are not going to enter the kingdom of heaven. There are certain things that people do. But we were washed in the blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus doesn't give us grace to do what we want to do.

Like I said, my wife and I are responsible for our actions. You know we want the world to see the love of Jesus Christ on the show through us, holiness and godliness of something that's inside.

D. RUTHERFORD: That's right.

M. RUTHERFORD: Not something that's on the outside. So, you know when we're talking about sex and things, yes, in the confines of marriage. We -- we want to know do we have handcuffs? No, we don't do that. That's not something we do.

But it's not something I'm just going to be controversial. Because we're called to pray, to love our brothers and sisters in the church no matter where or what walk they are in life. We're all in different places in God. So we've got to love everybody. That's what we're called to do.

FEYERICK: And very quickly, how do you -- again, you don't come off looking like the typical pastor and pastor wife.

M. RUTHERFORD: Yes.

FEYERICK: What is it that defines your church would you say?

D. RUTHERFORD: Oh, wow. There are so many amazing things. Our church is full of people with -- its multicultural, multiracial.

M. RUTHERFORD: Yes.

D. RUTHERFORD: Multi personality, you know just everything and people are -- have so much --

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M. RUTHERFORD: Radical and free.

D. RUTHERFORD: Radical and free -- just freedom in our ministry. So many people have different walks of life. They've been delivered from drug addicts to just -- you name it and we have it in our church and we're so grateful that God has freed them in this ministry.

M. RUTHERFORD: Yes.

FEYERICK: All right, so you open it up to everybody.

D. RUTHERFORD: Everybody.

M. RUTHERFORD: Absolutely.

FEYERICK: Those folks who have -- who have hit rock bottom, always a home.

D. RUTHERFORD: Yes. You don't have to.

M. RUTHERFORD: Well you know you don't have to -- you know we look at church like we've got to get cleaned up to go to church.

FEYERICK: Right.

M. RUTHERFORD: Deborah that's not what God wants. We don't go to a car wash when our car is clean. A church is a place that's supposed to take things off of us. So no matter who you are, where you come from you've have a place where you can worship God freely and find your salvation.

D. RUTHERFORD: Oh yes.

FEYERICK: All right, Delana and Myles Rutherford thank you so much.

D. RUTHERFORD: Thank you.

FEYERICK: And good luck with your show. It will be interesting to talk to you when the season is over.

D. RUTHERFORD: Thank you so much for having us.

FEYERICK: To tell us the real story. All right, thanks so much. We appreciate it. For more stories on faith be sure to check out our belief blog at CNN.com/belief.

The state of the union, it is the President's moment to speak to America. We'll get a preview.

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FEYERICK: Well time to get you ready for the week ahead. Let's take a look of what we've got going. On Monday, we've got the Medal of Honor, President Obama is going to award that to Clint Romesha. He is the former Army Staff Sergeant who risked his life to save fellow soldiers in Afghanistan in 2009. Also on Monday, we've got the Westminster dog show for all you dog lovers out there. It is back and it is better than ever.

Tuesday, of course the state of the union is going to be coming up. And you may want to set your DVRs, because it's same time as the dog show.

Wednesday, take a look. Oops yes there we go. Now Wednesday we've got the Zuckerberg fund-raiser. This is kind of interesting. Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of Facebook he's hosting a fund-raiser for New Jersey Republican Chris Christie -- for Chris Christie's re- election bid.

Ok we are now on Thursday, the Illinois gay marriage, that's coming up -- legislation legalization same-sex marriage in Illinois. That could reach a vote on Valentine's Day. So if I don't get to say it now, Happy Valentine's Day.

Ok. And the asteroid is going to be passing the earth. So let's say you didn't have a very good Valentine's Day an asteroid is coming on Friday so that will give you some reason to look up at the stars. It's going to be the closest shave in known history according to NASA coming as close as about 17,000 miles from our planet. That's closer than the TV satellites that you're watching me from right now.

And as I said the President will be delivering his state of the union address on Tuesday. It comes less than a month after his much talked about inaugural address. So will there be a big difference between of two? Well CNN's Athena Jones has a preview.

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ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The state of the union address --

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Members of Congress, distinguished guests and fellow Americans.

JONES: The Commander-in-Chief's best chance to lay out his priorities and influence millions of television viewers.

RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: It's the moment where he gets an uninterrupted, unchallenged opportunity to talk to the country and to define his agenda and what he thinks the debate in Washington should be about, which is one of the most important powers that a president has.

JONES: President Obama gave House Democrats a preview of what he will say.

OBAMA: I'm going to be talking about making sure that we're focused on job creation here in the United States of America. It means that we're focused on education and that every young person is equipped with the skills they need to compete in the 21st century.

JONES: The White House says the speech will serve as a bookend to the inaugural address. A sign the President will touch on priorities like immigration reform and reducing gun violence.

We could see new policy prescriptions to deal with issues like clean energy. But White House officials say the main thrust of the speech will be on so-called pocketbook issues, highlighting a mix of old and new policies aimed at helping the middle class.

So how effective will the President's message be in persuading Republicans on Capitol Hill?

BROWNSTEIN: The speech is just one moment in a continuum. You have a president who wants to have a debate about immigration. He wants to have a debate about guns. He is clearly taking us toward a debate about climate and energy. And a Republican Party that really wants to shift the focus as much as possible to the federal deficit and debt.

JONES: Athena Jones, CNN, Washington.

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SETH MYERS, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIFE": A memo from the Obama Administration was made public Monday that justifies the use of drones on American citizens on the war on terror, news that much of the American public learned about from this drone.

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FEYERICK: Ok. But in all fairness, drones are also precise and deadly, just like Wolf Blitzer's knowledge -- vast knowledge of Washington, D.C. politics. So, drones that were very much in the spotlight this week when CIA nominee John Brennan testified before a Senate committee.

Former Defense Secretary Bob Gates implemented the escalation of drone strikes under President Obama but does he still support the program? Let's ask "STATE OF THE UNION" host Candy Crowley in Washington. And Candy I understand you talked to former Defense Secretary Bob Gates. What does he have to say?

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN HOST: Well, first, remember too that he was also Defense Secretary in the latter years of the Bush Administration, so he spans both the beginning of the use of those drones, particularly into Pakistan, and the escalation in the Obama era. And he is still a supporter.

He still believes when people say, you're killing innocent people, and they say this is a weapon that is very precise. He doesn't suggest that no innocents are killed in the use of these drones, but he does suggests that it is much more precise than the -- what we would call a traditional bombing -- anything of that sort. He's still a big supporter, but he does have reservations about the process used when Americans are targeted by drones overseas -- Americans obviously associated with terrorism.

FEYERICK: Sure. The biggest name, of course, Anwar al Awlaki --

CROWLEY: Right.

FEYERICK: -- who was killed in a drone strike.

Candy, also a big, big week in Washington -- lots of people looking forward to the state of the union speech. What can we expect?

CROWLEY: Well, I think exactly what the White House told us on the day of the inauguration speech, which is the inauguration speech sets out the kind of the -- the -- if you were doing an outline, the broad units that he wants to talk about. The state of the union, it's a little more into the detail, ok? Here is what we -- what I want to do and how I want to do it.

It also sets priorities. Sometimes you get a laundry list and you think what -- you know, what is the priority here? But it sounds as though the President's priority certainly from what we hear in the talk he gave to Democrats at the retreat is that he is returning to the economic -- he talked a lot about guns and immigration, et cetera and those are certainly on the front burner.

But overall of this, I expect that he's going to talk a lot about things he wants to do to help the folks that brought him to the dance. He thinks that that is the middle class.

FEYERICK: All right. Candy Crowley, thank you so much. I always find it fascinating to see who he names and who stands up during those speeches.

CROWLEY: Yes.

FEYERICK: And of course, you can keep it here for more with Candy on "STATE OF THE UNION"; it's going to start in just under 10 minutes at 9:00 a.m. Eastern here on CNN. So stay with us.

And is it true? Are revealing outfits banned at this year's Grammy Awards? Say it isn't so. We'll get to the bottom of this controversy. By the way it's something we cannot show apparently during this particular --

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FEYERICK: Tonight is music's big night -- the 55th Annual Grammy Awards kick off live in Los Angeles in just about 11 hours for those of you who are looking at your watches. But of course it's not without controversy -- is it ever? According to a wardrobe advisory sent to attendees, everyone needs to cover up. Seriously, seriously what those ladies are wearing, I don't think you're going to see that. The Grammys is typically the place where stars can let it all hang out. But CBS is hoping to keep the partial nudity to a minimum during this year's show.

Comedian dean Obeidallah joins me now. And Dean you wrote an op- ed for CNN about this called simply "Don't Try to be Sexy at the Grammys". Come on, isn't that what the Grammys are all about? DEAN OBEIDALLAH, POLITICAL COMEDIAN: I am with you, Deb in that they should allow them to wear what they want to wear. And if they are in violation of FCC regulation, of course, you don't put them on air. But why ruin it? And it's bizarre to me. CBS has aired the Grammys for over than 40 years now. Why this year.

And I called CBS and their publicity department would not give me a reason; they would not go on record why. Although to be honest, there was a backlash by certain conservatives to Beyonce's outfit in the Super Bowl half-time show just last Sunday which aired on CBS. So I actually think it's in response to some of the conservative outcry.

FEYERICK: Well, it's so interesting, because in a way, you look at -- ok. I'm not saying this goes as far as the first amendment but with artists, it's not just about the music they sing, but it's about their persona, you know, the sort of crazy zany provocative outfits they wear. Lady Gaga, my gosh, she wore a meat suit.

OBEIDALLAH: Exactly.

FEYERICK: So, isn't this sort of like -- isn't this sort of quashing a musician's fundamental right to be a rock star?

OBEIDALLAH: I'm with you Deb, 100 percent. Freedom of expression is not just words. It's the way you express yourself. And for artists like these, wear what you want. We have seen bizarre outfits. We've seen people where outfits look like they lost a bet.

I'm looking at you Nikki Minaj, you (inaudible) like a red version of flying nun last year complete with a guy dressed like a pope with her. So that's part of the fun of the event. And I wish CBS would come out clearly and say why now after 40 years, why are you limiting the way people dress.

FEYERICK: Yes. And also, what's kind of interesting, I guess here on the East Coast, it will run at 8:00 p.m. And start at 8:00 p.m., obviously on the West Coast, a little bit earlier, that's 5:00 p.m., I guess it is kids maybe watching, is that what they are concerned about? That it may offend kids or is it more concerned that they are going to offend people with perhaps more conservative dress sensibilities?

OBEIDALLAH: I think that honestly it's about people on the right, the "National Review" wrote an article denouncing CBS for the way Beyonce dressed. Laura Ingraham tweeted, outraged by the way Beyonce dressed. I think it's about that. If you don't want your children to watch this, don't let them watch it.

But they're not violating FCC regulations. And to me I love some of the language of the regulations. It seems it's a cross between an elderly lawyer and a Goody Proctor from "The Crucible". You have things like -- it says -- like things that make no sense. One says thong type costumes are problematic. I've never worn a thong. I'm sure it's problematic on some level. How this means anything for TV.

It also said avoid exposing bare fleshy undercurves of the buttocks? What is the fleshy, undercurves of the buttocks and why am I now wanting to see them very badly?

FEYERICK: Well, you know, that's a great point Dean. Because what we're talking about is -- guess what kind of pictures we are showing? We're showing the things that these artists wear that CBS doesn't want them to wear. I mean it's almost like the reverse -- have the reverse effect.

OBEIDALLAH: I agree with you and some of it frankly on a serious note -- some of it is sexist. Some of the regulations are not gender neutral. It says specifically female body parts in two places have to be covered while male body parts, the equivalent of breasts or nipples are fine. That's wrong. It has to be gender neutral policy. I hope tonight people -- I hope Bruce Springsteen wears a thong tonight.

FEYERICK: Yes because I was looking forward to a lot of men wearing thongs tonight apparently.

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FEYERICK: Ok. Dean Obeidallah, we have to cut it there -- all right. Family friendly show.

OBEIDALLAH: Thank you Deb.

FEYERICK: Remember, you can read his full op-ed at CNN.com/opinion.

All right everyone. Well, thanks so much for watching CNN SUNDAY MORNING. We are glad you could join us, glad you could have your first cup of coffee with us.

Of course we look forward to seeing you next weekend. But stay tuned right now because "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley starts right away.