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Jodi and Travis Phone Sex

Aired February 14, 2013 - 20:00   ET



JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: I was totally tired and I was asleep. And I would have been completely content just cuddling with you once we got into bed, but you had another agenda.

But I don`t mind receiving while you`re doing the kissing (ph). So, like, I was (INAUDIBLE) and so aside from all those warm fuzzy feelings, but, like, it was so sexy and I was so hot, and oh, gosh!

TRAVIS ALEXANDER, MURDER VICTIM: Start touching yourself.

ARIAS: I am already. (INAUDIBLE) hands, giving you a hand job.

T. ALEXANDER: Since you`ve left, I jack off every day, sometimes three times a day.

ARIAS: Are you serious?

I wish you were here. If you were here, my grandparents would be asleep and (INAUDIBLE) in my bedroom and we`d shut and lock the door and we would just (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

T. ALEXANDER: Your body is so hot. (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) porn star thing. I put on a lot of extra makeup.

I really, really, really want to (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

You`re bad! You make me feel so dirty!


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. After Jodi Arias tells the jury murder victim Travis Alexander was a pedophile, with no one in court to refute it or challenge it or show that that is a lie, today we learn Arias in the weeks before Travis`s murder buys a gun, dyes her hair, and tape-records herself luring Travis Alexander into phone sex. We have the audio. But what does this lurid and XXX display have to do with self-defense?

We are taking your calls. We are camped outside the courthouse right now. Liz, let`s go into the courtroom.


T. ALEXANDER: Actually, it probably (INAUDIBLE) sounds like a 12- year-old girl having her first orgasm. That`s so hot.

ARIAS: I know. Sounds like what?

T. ALEXANDER: A 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm (INAUDIBLE) hot little girl.

ARIAS: You`re mad! You make me feel so dirty!

T. ALEXANDER: You are dirty. (INAUDIBLE) baby, I just want to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) with you. I like that term. It`s a marathon.

I`m going to tie you to a tree and put it in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED)- hole.

ARIAS: Oh, my gosh. That is so debasing. I like it!

T. ALEXANDER: I just want to tie your arms around a tree, blindfold you, and put the camera on a timer while I`m (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you.

ARIAS: Oh, my gosh! You are full of ideas!

T. ALEXANDER: (INAUDIBLE) to top ourselves.

ARIAS: Oh, I know it does. Oh, we`ve gotten way creative in the past. I think (INAUDIBLE) most of the credit, though, as far as creating ideas goes. I`m game for, like, almost everything you come up with, but you really are a wealth (ph) brain (ph) of ideas. You are, like, quite the source.

Oh, when we took a bath together?


ARIAS: That was surreal. Like, honestly. And I think, I mean, maybe the candlelight and the bubbles all had something to do with it, but you were amazing! You made me -- seriously, you made me feel like a goddess. Like, I wasn`t saying you were, like, worshipping me, but you were -- you made me feel like I was the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planet. Right? I so felt like I was the goddess. And so aside from all those warm, fuzzy feelings, but like, it was so sexy and I was so hot!


GRACE: What is she thinking? Well, number one, we know she`s tape- recording this call. This was about three weeks before she stabs Travis Alexander to death.

We are taking your calls. Out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." You know, Jean, I`m not quite sure what these phone sex tapes have to do with her defense of self-defense.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": I think what the defense is going to do is say that on the first level, you see a consensual relationship. But if you look deeper, you see someone that is controlled, you see someone that is giddy, that loves someone so much that just once that just wants that acceptance, but Travis has the control. And it`s interesting. If you listen to the tone of their voices, it`s very different.

GRACE: What do you mean by that?

CASAREZ: She is giddy like a school girl. She`s trying to please him. She`s giving him all these compliments. He doesn`t seem that into it. And that goes toward the prosecution, as well as the defense. That shows a fatal attraction on her part, and he really doesn`t care that much.

GRACE: Yes, I still don`t see how that plays into self-defense, Jean. Maybe I`m blind, but I mean, if I`ve got to look for subtle undertones in a conversation that she lured him into -- subtle undertones to me don`t cut it when you stab a man to death 29 times, slashing him from ear to ear, and then cap him in the head. Explain. I need more than subtle undertones here. What are you saying that this sex tape proves?

CASAREZ: Not me. The defense, I believe they are going to say it`s relevant to the cycle of violence. This is what the defense, I think, is going to say...

GRACE: Wa-wa-wa-wa-wait! Wait!

CASAREZ: ... to show that he had control of her.

GRACE: Jean! Jean! Didn`t I just hear her say, You made me feel like a goddess? Explain to me the cycle of violence.

CASAREZ: That`s right. And that`s why they`re going to look a layer deeper than that. They`re going to -- not going to look at what she said, but they`re going to look at what it meant inside her head.

GRACE: Dear Lord in heaven, don`t take me inside Jodi Arias`s head, all right? That`s just where I don`t want to be!

I`m just stunned that the judge is allowing this -- this after yesterday`s contortion of the law so the defense could argue up to a jury that Travis Alexander`s basically a pedophile with absolutely no proof of that whatsoever, other than Jodi Arias telling it up on the stand for the world to hear.

Out to the lines. Patricia in Connecticut. Hi, Patricia. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I love you! You are so awesome!

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, those checks they showed that she gave to Travis because he was supposedly borrowing money -- how do we know she didn`t owe him money and wrote him out a check?

GRACE: Well, it`s really interesting that you say that, Patricia in Connecticut, because she did borrow money from him.

Jean Casarez, what did we learn from reading those checks carefully?

CASAREZ: Well, we learned that they were $100, $699 and $220. They were all in the month of January 2008. She didn`t specifically know what it was for. She said they had not discussed her buying his BMW. And we don`t know if she was paying him back money. We had heard that, financially, he was having problems, though.

GRACE: And what were those problems? Because she`s the one that`s cleaning his house.

CASAREZ: Correct, for $200 a month, that he had a home, and he had a brand-new car. He had a Prius. And we don`t know specifics of why he was having monetary problems, but we did hear that.

GRACE: From who?

CASAREZ: I believe there was testimony from someone that had to do with Travis was having some financial issues. Never explained. And I think it could have been the first witness, Marie...

GRACE: You mean the first witness for whom?

CASAREZ: The prosecution, Marie Hall (ph).

GRACE: That`s interesting. I don`t recall that. What I recall is that she was having a hard time financially and he was giving her odd jobs to do around his home to help her. That`s what I recall.

CASAREZ: That is correct, because she needed money and it wasn`t worth his time to clean his house, so he hired her to clean his house as a maid.

GRACE: OK. On the checks, does it say -- you know, at the bottom of the check, it says "For." Does it reveal what the check was for?

CASAREZ: No, it doesn`t. No reason whatsoever.

GRACE: OK. Out to the lines. Gail in Florida. Hi, Gail. What`s your question?

Oh, Terry. Excuse me. Thank you, Liz. Hi, Terry. What`s your question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi. Love your show, Nancy.

GRACE: Thank you, Terry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the first time I -- here`s what I want to say.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Am I the only person that heard her say on the stand when she was -- her lawyer was asking her the question about why she didn`t go to the hospital, and she actually said, Well, I didn`t want to get him into trouble. But she said, Well, I guess I could make up something.

GRACE: OK, wa-wait! Don`t move, Terry. Jean, did you hear that?

CASAREZ: You know, she gave a lot of excuses for that finger, and you know, you have to wonder, Why don`t you go to the doctor. Well, you don`t want to go to the doctor because you don`t want someone to know what you were involved in. And you know, a lot of us are saying, Did that happen on June 4th, 2008?

GRACE: Well, you know, Jean, if it was for real, if she had really broken a bone and she didn`t want to hurt Travis claiming that this was because of him, she could go to the doctor and go, Oh, I did so-and-so. How do I know she broke a bone, Jean?

CASAREZ: No, that`s true. You don`t. Her finger looks really funny, but it would take a hand surgeon to testify to say that that comes from a broken finger that was never set. You`re exactly right.

GRACE: OK, guys. Let`s go back into the courtroom.


T. ALEXANDER: Start touching yourself.

ARIAS: I am already.

T. ALEXANDER: I just started.

ARIAS: I wish it were my hands giving you a (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

T. ALEXANDER: Before I met you, I never (EXPLETIVE DELETED) off. Once I start -- once I started meeting you, I don`t know, once a month, once every two weeks. Like, since you`ve left, I (EXPLETIVE DELETED) every day, sometimes two to three times a day.

ARIAS: Are you serious?


ARIAS: I wish you were here. If you were here, my grandparents were asleep, I`d put you in my bedroom, like, shut and lock the door and we would just have a big (EXPLETIVE DELETED)



GRACE: Welcome back. We are camped out outside the courthouse as the Jodi Arias murder one trial continues, after yesterday`s allegations by Arias -- she`s the only one to say this -- that the murder victim, Travis Alexander, was caught masturbating to photos of little boys in underwear.

And you know what? I got some e-mails today from people complaining to me that I called that pornography. You know what? You say tomato, I say tomato. When you have pictures of little boys in underwear and the claim is that he`s masturbating to them, to me that`s pornography, all right?

Long story short, there was nobody in the courtroom to challenge her. There was nobody to say that is not true. Not only that, she claimed that these photos were hard copies. Now, where would he get that if he didn`t download it off his computer? Cops combed his computer, his laptop, his desktop, his cell phone. They did a search of the home, exhaustively. Nothing to do with child porn. He hadn`t even visited such a Web site.

Well, as if that weren`t enough, today we learned that just weeks before she stabs him 29 times and caps him in the head, she lures him into phone sex and tape-records the whole thing.

Let`s go in the courtroom, Liz.


ARIAS: I really, really, really want to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) right now so bad!

T. ALEXANDER: (INAUDIBLE) crush your forehead.

ARIAS: Are we still planning to do the porn star thing? I`ll to put on a little extra makeup (INAUDIBLE)

T. ALEXANDER: Well, whatever you want, baby.

ARIAS: Oh, my gosh! Wow, that would be hot! Like, you bust me for being, like, nude in public or something (INAUDIBLE) wanted to go out and be, like, one with nature, and you`re, like, All right, you can redeem yourself in one way!

T. ALEXANDER: Exactly.

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) I seriously think about having sex with you every day, several times a day. I think how hot it feels to have your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) deep inside of me, and I remember it and I want it again.

T. ALEXANDER: I`m glad we started (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

ARIAS: What?

T. ALEXANDER: Aren`t you glad that we started (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

ARIAS: Well, if it`s wrong, then I don`t want to be right because I`m glad, too. Like, seriously.

T. ALEXANDER: Generally, I`m, like, OK -- Jodi, I`m just, I want Jodi, all of Jodi (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: Like, I -- OK, I -- I don`t know. What`s wrong is that I wish we were doing it before because that was good and...

T. ALEXANDER: Once we did it, like, why not do it, you know?

ARIAS: Yes, I know. I know what you mean.

T. ALEXANDER: I want to give you a (EXPLETIVE DELETED)

ARIAS: What`s that? What`s a (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?

T. ALEXANDER: When I (EXPLETIVE DELETED) right just like a quarter inch inside your (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

ARIAS: Oh, yes.


GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Renee Rockwell, Atlanta, Chris Alexander, defense attorney, New Orleans. Also with me, crime analyst Sheryl McCollum.

Renee, you and I have both tried quite a few homicide cases, me prosecuting, you defending. What is the purpose? I don`t see, Renee. What is the purpose of introducing phone sex tapes?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I think what the defense is doing is making the trial more about her and less about him. Listen to his voice. He sounds like his words are slurred. And he sounds degrading. He sounds like he might even be intoxicated. I think what they`re trying to do...

GRACE: What do you mean degrading?

ROCKWELL: Well, he`s just kind of -- the tone in his voice, Nancy...

GRACE: The tone?

ROCKWELL: Makes him sound a little greasy. So I`m thinking that the defense...

GRACE: Greasy?

ROCKWELL: ... might want to put him in a bad light.


ROCKWELL: Nancy, the trial is not about him (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Thank you. OK, OK, OK...


GRACE: I got it, I got it.

ROCKWELL: It`s about her.

GRACE: OK, Chris Alexander, now, you`re a veteran trial lawyer.


GRACE: I don`t recall anywhere in the evidence code of evidence being allowed to prove someone to be greasy or degraded or whatever that is Rockwell just said. In fact, as a matter of fact, the evidence code says the exact opposite, that the victim, the murder victim`s reputation will not come into evidence unless that reputation goes toward a reputation of violence to show the defendant acted in self-defense.

Now, this phone sex tape does not do that at all. So let`s hear your theory, not come into evidence unless that reputation goes toward a reputation of violence to show the defendant acted in self-defense. Now, this phone sex tape does not do that at all.

So let`s hear your theory, Mr. Alexander, about why the defense is bringing this in.

C. ALEXANDER: Nancy, I think that the defense is bringing it in clear little to trial to draw a contrast between what the prosecution is portraying him as and perhaps what he actually is. Everything they`re doing is designed to destroy his credibility and get the jury not to believe him. I think it`s a credibility issue.

GRACE: Well, they actually...

C. ALEXANDER: I`m surprised the judge allowed it in.

GRACE: Chris...

C. ALEXANDER: I think the prejudicial value is very, very great.

GRACE: Chris, I agree with you. And of course, Sheryl McCollum, the victim`s reputation has nothing to do with this case.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: It has nothing to do with it, Nancy. And I`ll tell you, it`s not just her orgasm that`s faked. This whole thing is a facade. She knows she`s recording him and he doesn`t know it.


GRACE: We are camped outside that Phoenix courthouse in the Jodi Arias murder one trial. We`re going to take you right back into the courtroom, but first I want to go back to our caller, Terry. So what do you make of what the defense is trying to do?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I think the only thing that they`ve got going for them is this pack of lies. I wonder if the prosecution, though, can ask for a reenactment of the murder, to which I think she will fail miserably.

GRACE: All right, reenactment of the murder. We still don`t know what they`re going to do in rebuttal, Terry, but that`s absolutely an option.

Let`s go back in the courtroom, Liz.


ARIAS: Like, when you`re (EXPLETIVE DELETED) me, but, like, I`m looking with my head tilted back, so all you can really see is, like, the outline of my chin and some of my cheek and jawbone and my fingers and hair, but you can`t really see the rest of my face. You just see a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) between two -- like, in focus, with the neck and everything sort of a little bit blurry but they aren`t (INAUDIBLE)

T. ALEXANDER: Oh, great. Everything about the details of your body is so hot, your skin, your freaking (EXPLETIVE DELETED) they just, like -- it`s just, like -- it just accentuates how female you are and how hot you are. Like, you are a prototype of sluttiness. Like, you`re a prototype. You made me freaking fly. And then most of all, oh, I love it is how much detail your (INAUDIBLE) is.

ARIAS: Really? (INAUDIBLE) because I`ve always been self-conscious about those things, and you make me feel like...

T. ALEXANDER: It makes you like a superwoman.




T. ALEXANDER: (SINGING) -- by the dawn`s (INAUDIBLE) at the twilight`s...


T. ALEXANDER: (SINGING) -- and the rockets in the air, the bombs bursting in (INAUDIBLE) gave proof in the night the flag made of real hair.


T. ALEXANDER: (SINGING) Oh, say does that star Spanglish banner yet...

ARIAS: Oh, no, you didn`t!


GRACE: You know, something about that to me is heartbreaking. I don`t know what it is. It`s knowing that she lured him into phone sex and come on, ladies, how hard is it to get a man to talk about sex? Not too hard. This was in the weeks leading up to his murder. And somehow, they`re going to twist and contort this to use it against the murder victim, Travis Alexander.

Matt Zarrell, what is the defense`s argument as to why they -- why they wanted this phone sex tape into evidence?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, part of the premise here is that the defense continues to say that Travis Alexander was one way with Jodi Arias and was one way with everybody else and that she was his dirty little secret and that you`re hearing now the real Travis Alexander. The one that Jodi Arias experienced, the one that threw her to the ground and kicked her in the ribs, the one that abused her as she says for months on end.

GRACE: OK. Out to the Caryn Stark, psychologist, joining us tonight.

Caryn Stark, you can say that about practically anybody. I mean, anybody in the workplace is one way. You think when I go home to my twins I talk about this case or murder or child molestation or missing children or evidence or blood spatter?

No. No. In fact, unless I have on a white t-shirt and black workout pants, they get upset. They don`t know the other mommy, the mommy that was a prosecutor, the mommy that deals with missing children and murders. They don`t know that.

So what`s going on here? Of course, everyone has multiple facets to their personality.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s why you`re feeling so sad, Nancy, because it doesn`t make sense that they`re using this tape. I really don`t understand it. He just doesn`t even sound drunk to me. He sounds tired. He sounds like a tired guy. He`s being silly. Going along with her program. And if he sounds like an abuser, well so does she. Because she says things like, oh, you`re debasing me, I like it.

There is nothing here that shows him to be the one who has the problem.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Let`s see here. Next call is Gail in Florida -- Juliet in Texas.

Hi, Juliet. What`s your question, dear?

JULIET, CALLER TEXAS: Hi, Nancy. I love your show.

GRACE: Thank you.

JULIET: oh, my god, this case is just -- I can`t wait until the prosecution takes it -- takes it home. Hopefully. I have a question, Nancy. As far as her claiming her finger being broken, in any of the previous pictures of her, does it ever look broken before she claims she broke it when he kicked her?

GRACE: You know what.

JULIET: And secondly, does she ever succumb to a lie detector test or a polygraph test or anything?

GRACE: You know, that is a great question. Out to Alexis Weed, our team member at the courthouse.

Alexis, other than this moment in court when she holds that finger up like that, are there any other moments where we`ve seen her with her finger looking that way or any discussion before now of her having a broken finger?

ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Nancy, there was discussion before now but no photographs that we`ve seen, not at least in court where she`s exposing that finger. If you remember when she talked with detectives she had said that -- in her interrogation she had said that it was her cat who -- who scratched her on her hand and that`s why that she had some scratches. And she told the detective at that time, well, you can see they`re kind of visible now but they`re a little bit hard to see.

GRACE: Everyone, we are taking your calls.

Out to you, Jean Casarez. What can you tell us about the broken finger? I mean, she has lied so many times about how she got the scratches on her hand. I just don`t know why anyone would believe her now that she`s saying she had a broken finger and never saw the treatment for it?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": You know, I think when the jury begins to deliberate, they`re going to say why wouldn`t you go to a doctor? Because there seems to be something very wrong with that finger. Now we know she had bandages on a finger when she drove in Mesa after killing Travis Alexander to Utah. The one point of time where you would not want to go to the doctors, the hospital is after you kill Travis Alexander because you don`t want anybody to know you were there. And that`s why her finger could look like it is today.

GRACE: Hmm. Hmm. All right. I want to go to you, Susan Constantine, body language expert and jury consultant. I`ve been watching her in court today and so have you. What`s your analysis?

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Yes. Well, you know compared to the other times we`ve seen her in trial, you know, she was very confident. And we can see her now today, she just starts to deflate. She`s like a hot air balloon that`s just losing air very quickly. And she uses her hair, you know, kind of like a hair hoodie. And when she feels embarrassed and ashamed she puts her hands up over her face and then she feels fear, she`s got her hands up here.

Then we`ve got worry over here. So you can barely see her eyes. But here`s the big one, she never makes eye contact when she starts do go on stand at the jury like she did before. She`d answer the -- look at the question and she`d answer the jury. Now what she does she kind of hides behind her hair again.

GRACE: Let`s go back in the courtroom, Liz.




ARIAS: You have a good-looking (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I just want you to know.

ALEXANDER: You really like it?

ARIAS: Yes, it`s like, oh, it`s like -- oh, so smooth. And it goes so soft, I mean, (EXPLETIVE DELETED) so good.

ALEXANDER: KY, did you know that?

ARIAS: I introduced you to KY?

ALEXANDER: Yes, I never -- I`ve heard of it, obviously, but I`ve never used it.


ARIAS: You know, I had never used it until -- and I`d always heard of it until one day I just thought -- because it`s so cliche and people make fun of it and -- you know? But it`s great stuff.

ALEXANDER: No, it`s awesome. There`s nothing else.

ARIAS: Did you --


ALEXANDER: No, I used freaking Vaseline.

ARIAS: Does Vaseline work? It seems so thick.


ARIAS: You mean, the lotion?

ALEXANDER: (INAUDIBLE). It works well but it doesn`t (INAUDIBLE) with KY.




GRACE: Welcome back. We are live outside that Phoenix courthouse. And we are taking your calls as the murder one trial of Jodi Arias goes on. If you thought it couldn`t get worse than yesterday when Jodi Arias took the stand and swore the murder victim, Travis Alexander, was basically a pedophile, no one challenged her. No one said that`s not true. Nothing.

This after an exhaustive search by police of Travis Alexander`s computer desktop, laptop, cell phone, home, attic, the works. Not one scintilla pointed to the fact that he had ever even visited a child pornography Web site. Not even once.

Today it gets worse. We learn that Jodi Arias -- there she is acting embarrassed. She taped Travis Alexander as she lured him into phone sex. This is just weeks before she dyes her hair, buys a gun, and murders him. But the judge allowed the entire phone sex tape to be played in front of the jury. Take a listen.


ARIAS: I know. I like it. I don`t know. It`s just -- it is fun. I want you to do that more.

ALEXANDER: And I want you to do it more.

ARIAS: All right.

ALEXANDER: I want you to ride my freaking face like a horse.





ARIAS: 69 pics?


ARIAS: How will we do that?


ARIAS: Oh, yes, you`re smart. She`s original, which is good. I always like funky fresh originality. I always think that --

ALEXANDER: I like better Black Eyed Peas honestly.

ARIAS: Yes. Yes. I mean, I`m not even -- I don`t know a lot of her music too much of a single artist. Personally, I don`t know Black Eyed Peas music too much. I just know that I like them.

That`s them?


ARIAS: (Singing) Let`s get it started on, let`s get it the started in here

ALEXANDER: She`s the one.

ARIAS: That`s cool. I didn`t like the hump song.

ALEXANDER: No, I hate that song.

ARIAS: I thought that was hilarious the way Alanis Morissette made fun of her. X amount of dollars to whoever -- you know, 10th caller guess who this is kind of thing. It was somebody singing happy birthday. It was like a ballad and you know, it was like, happy birthday to you, or something, and it was freaking Alanis Morissette like some early recording of her singing for her friends.

ALEXANDER: Yes, actually, totally. (INAUDIBLE) it sounds like you`re a 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm. It`s so hot.

ARIAS: I know. Sounds like what?

ALEXANDER: A 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm.



ARIAS: You`re bad. You make me feel so dirty.

ALEXANDER: You are dirty. (INAUDIBLE). I just want to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) fest with you. I like that term. It`s a marathon.


GRACE: Joining me right now at the courthouse, Beth Karas, legal correspondent, "In Session."

How does this phone sex tape go to self-defense, Beth?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: Well, you know, that`s a good question, Nancy. She does offer some explanation saying, well, I went along with things he was saying on the telephone. For example, I faked the orgasms, the two she had on the telephone, because she knew that he wanted to pleasure himself, so she went along with that because he was nicer to her when he wanted to have sex even if it`s over the telephone. So that`s why she faked it. But she has an explanation for everything.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Joining me right now, Julie Haslem, friend and co-worker of Travis Alexander, also in court today.

Julie, thank you for being with us. What is your reaction to what happened in court today? Further dragging Travis Alexander through the mud?

JULIE HASLEM, FRIEND, CO-WORKER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER IN COURT TODAY: Seriously, it was all about her. And that`s typical Jodi. She is all about herself. And my question is, what in the world happened to the victim`s rights? We were given strict instructions today to not show any emotion, to not be on our phones, to not be on our laptops. And I personally was reprimanded three times today.

And I just wonder why does she have the rights right now? She`s the one that committed the crime. And she`s the one on trial. Why does she have the rights?

GRACE: Jodi Arias` first defense lawyer contacted you way, way way back when. Why? What did they want?

HASLEM: Yes, they contacted me. And they wanted to know if I would basically be a character witness for her. And to me, that was laughable. I don`t even know why she would think that. I was really never nice to Jodi. She creeped me out. I didn`t ever want to be around her. And I denied. I just said absolutely not. Travis was a good friend of mine. And that`s not going to happen.

GRACE: Julie, what did you learn from Travis about his relationship with Jodi Arias?

HASLEM: You know, Travis actually talked to me at an event we had in Daniel Summit. And he just questioned me and said, you know, I really want your opinion on what you think of Jodi. And I think at the time he was trying to get, like, a female`s perspective on what kind of a person she was.

I think he actually as some doubts about her. And I just told him, you know what? She creeps me out. You could do so much better. When I look into her eyes, I see nothing. Look into her eyes for me and tell me what you think.

GRACE: Did he ever speak to you about his breakup with Arias?

HASLEM: You know, there was a time where we were four-wheeling, and they were I think breaking up at the time. Unlike Jodi, I can`t remember exact details and days of the week that that was. But he was trying to get away from her. And he made it very clear that that was difficult.



ARIAS: Like when you`re (EXPLETIVE DELETED) me, but I`m like looking with my head tilted back so all you can really see is like the outline of my chin and some of my cheek and jawbone and my fingers and hair but you can`t really see the rest of my face. You just see a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) between two (EXPLETIVE DELETED) like in focus with the neck and everything sort of a little bit blurry but they`re kind of artistic, you know, I think.

ALEXANDER: Oh, great.


GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Amy, New Mexico.

Hi, Amy. What`s your question?

AMY, CALLER FROM NEW MEXICO: Hi, Nancy. First I want to say that I`ve been watching you since "Cochran and Grace," and my daughter and I watch you every night. We love you. She does the greatest impersonation of you. I should post it to your Twitter someday.

GRACE: Please do.


AMY: But here`s my comment. You know, I grew up, I was raised in the Mormon culture. And what I`ve been hearing today on the -- on edited sex tapes and what I`ve seen from Jodi on the stand, up until this point and what I saw today, something occurred to me. This tape, in my opinion, is Jodi`s final coup de gras, and this is why.

The law of chastity in the LDS culture is very, very important. Abstinence is very, very important. Unfortunately, human sexuality dictates something else, and that is why we have heard some of these weird things, like anal sex really isn`t sex. Sex in the water doesn`t count. There are saying in the Mormon culture that be moral, go oral, or in other words, just have oral sex.

That is the dirty secret that Jodi is unearthing here, not that he was -- that Jodi was Travis` dirty secret. What she is doing to Travis now is not just slandering him, this is part of her rage killing, in my opinion, to completely obliterate everything that people value Travis for, which was his Mormon identity and everything tied up in that.

She knows what she`s doing. She knows that this is the worst possible thing that she could do to Travis besides kill him is afterwards paint him as a deviant.


GRACE: We remember American hero, Robert Wayne Crow Jr., 42, Kansas, Missouri. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation Medal, father Robert, sister Brenda, brother Norman, widow, Beverly, six children, 14 grandchildren.

Robert Wayne Crow, Jr. American hero.

The further character assassination of a man already murdered by this woman.

To Teresa, Oklahoma. Hi, Teresa, what`s your question?

TERESA, CALLER FROM OKLAHOMA: Hey, I pray with you and your team every day.

GRACE: Thank you.

TERESA: We`re looking at the three faces of Jodi Arias`. Hate, revenge and rage. She killed him in three different ways. She has three different lies to tell the police. Now she has three different stories to describe him as a sexual deviant, physically abusive and a pedophile. And I have a sneaking feeling that she`s actually describing herself.

GRACE: You know what, that`s a good question.

Unleash the lawyers, Renee Rockwell, Chris Alexander, Sheryl McCollum.

All right, to you, Chris Alexander. It seems to me she may be projecting quite a bit in here and I found the whole day to have been inadmissible. Quickly?

CHRIS ALEXANDER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. I think the -- the prejudice to Mr. Alexander of this, Nancy, is extraordinary. I`m surprised that the judge allowed it in, but the reason he allowed it in is because it goes to her state of mind and they`re trying to establish the self-defense from the perspective of someone who has been abused.

Whether it`s going to work or not, who knows, but I probably would be doing the same thing if I were representing her.

GRACE: And of course -- Renee, of course, the state can`t get a mistrial. They`ll have to start all over that only benefits the defendant.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I disagree with you, Nancy. I think the state does a lot better the second time around.

GRACE: Really? Have you ever seen the state ask for a mistrial ever?

ROCKWELL: No, Nancy.

GRACE: Thank you, Renee. All right, your turn, Sheryl.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST, DIR. OF COLD CASE INVESTIGATIVE RESEARCH INSTITUTE, POLYGRAPH ANALYSIS EXPERT: He says she sounds like a 12-year-old girl and she laughed. This is a man that supposedly she called pleasuring himself, looking at little boys, and she laughed when he calls her a 12-year-old girl, and she goes back to him, Nancy, and has sex with him in a marathon. She is a liar. Everything that has come out of her mouth is a lie. This is 50 shades of crap.

GRACE: Well put. I`m stealing that, Sheryl McCollum.

Everyone, as we go to break. Happy birthday to my Cajun friend, Suzanne Rigard. Loves her three dogs. She`s the mother of three. They just happen to be wearing fur coats. Didio, Jack and Red. They look like they`re looking at mommy right now.

Suzanne, happy birthday, my Cajun friend.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp, Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.