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Oscar Pistorius: I Thought Reeva Was Intruder; Hilary Mantel Sets Off Firestorm After Kate Middleton Critique; Report Alleges Widespread Chinese Hacking; Tough Loss for Arsenal
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BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: Well, a dramatic day in court for South Africa's Blade Runner Oscar Pistorius now facing charges of premeditated murder. He denies those charges, but has he already been tried by the country's media?
ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.
ANDERSON: Also ahead this hour, a $50 million diamond heist and it took just three minutes. The details on how security at this airport was spectacularly breached.
And, plastic or fantastic? A frenzied (ph) debate after a British author launches a scathing attack on Prince William's wife.
A very good evening from London. In a courtroom in South Africa Oscar Pistorius has protested his innocence during a bail hearing. The Paralympian is charged with murdering his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. Friends and family of the model attended her funeral earlier today in the town of Port Elizabeth.
Well, our South Africa team is following all the latest developments. Robyn Curnow is in Johannesburg for you this evening.
And standing by in Port Elizabeth, Nkepile Mabuse.
Robyn, let's start with you. You were in court. You heard the defense. What are the details?
ROBYN CURNOW, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, I think the key thing that came out today was that we heard Oscar Pistorius' version of events. And it's an 11 page affidavit. It's quite dog-eared, Becky, because it's quite compelling reading.
Essentially what we're hearing from Oscar is that he did believe his girlfriend was an intruder. But it's the intimate details in this that paint a picture of a happy relationship, which is obviously something the defense is keen to put across.
Oscar says instead of going out with friends the night before, they stayed at home. She did a bit of yoga. He watched TV. And then they went to bed. No talk of an argument.
In the middle of the night, he says that he woke up. And what is fundamental about this is that he uses words such as terror, horror and fear of intruders being inside the house. He thought he heard noises. He said that a bathroom window had no burglar bars, that he knew contractors had worked at the house and left a ladder on the outside wall. And he said he got panicky. And although I did not have my prosthetic legs on, so it's difficult to say that after a long day. He said I do have mobility in my stumps.
So he said he didn't have his legs on. And at that stage he felt that he was vulnerable, that he needed to protect Reeva. He got his 9 millimeter gun. And he said he walked without his legs on seven meters into the bathroom and felt that they were still under threat and that's why he shot into this toilet door.
At the same time, he says, was yelling to his girlfriend to call the police. After awhile he realized she wasn't in bed, as he said he had expected her to be. And then he realized it was her in the toilet.
He bashed down the door, he said, eventually opening it with a lock, picking her up still alive. He said he took her downstairs with the idea of trying to get her to hospital quickly, but she died in his arms.
So this Oscar Pistorius' side of the story. Just what the state has to say about that. Well, they say they don't believe it. They say he had time to put on his legs, that he had time to collect his gun, time to walk seven meters to this bathroom, and then put four bullet holes through this toilet.
So, you know, conflicting information, conflicting evidence today. But many people still grateful, you know, the hear and listen to his side of the story, because they had of course seen so much speculation about this.
ANDERSON: Yeah. And we're going to talk about that this hour. Robyn, stay with me for the moment.
I know that back in 2008, you spent some time in Oscar Pistorius' home. And this is video that Robyn shot with the Paralympian in his bedroom. Given the details of his defense that we heard earlier today, I want to use stills from the room to give you a better understanding of the layout as described earlier on in the case.
Now this is Oscar's bed. And as we look at this picture, the balcony that he says he got close to the doors of is to the right. And the bathroom which houses the toilet where his girlfriend was shot is to the left here.
Now if I move on, here's the room from a different angle. And on the right here, you see what looks a little bit like a cupboard, but in fact is a corridor which leads down to the bathroom.
Different angle for you. This is interesting, the angle gives you a closeup of that corridor that he described in his affidavit in the bathroom here at the end on the right.
And lastly, these are the stairs which Oscar Pistorius says he carried his dying girlfriend down.
You, Robyn, have met Oscar Pistorius. You've spent some time with him. When you saw him in court today, how would you describe how he is or how he acted?
CURNOW: Not good. I mean, frankly -- I mean, he looks like a broken man. And he looked like a broken man last week when I saw him in court. You know, this is the man who was so triumphant, you know, self confident, so disciplined. And he really looks fragile, scared, humiliated, lonely. I mean, he sat in the dark in this very sort of squashed, crazy claustrophobic court room. And he just seemed to be a cocoon of sadness. He often bent down. He cried. He was heaving with sobs at time, particularly when Reeva's name was mentioned or the word murder was mentioned. I mean, he really is not dealing with this very well.
And I spoke to his uncle in the courtroom. And I said, you know, we know Oscar he's tough isn't he? You know, how is he doing? You know, I kind of just thought that that would be the family's, you know, comeback, that you know he's going to be strong. He's going to be fine. You know, he's OK.
And his uncle said, no, he's not. He's not tough. This is -- he's not dealing with this.
So, you know, I think he's very, very fragile. And his family kept on -- his brother particularly -- kept on putting his hand on Oscar's shoulder. Oscar never turned around, but his brother kept on occasionally just touching him and trying to send to him, you know I think this -- you know, this is a very traumatic experience. We still don't know whether he's innocent or guilty. We can't speculate on the outcome of this trial. So, you know, we've got to work on the assumption that he -- his version of the events is true. And of course the state is going to try to disprove it. And we're going to hear more in the court tomorrow in that second day of the bail hearing.
ANDERSON: That's right. All right. And we're going to discuss that in the next few minutes.
Robyn, thank you for that.
Nkepile Mabuse is in the town of Port Elizabeth where Reeva Steenkamp's funeral was held earlier on today.
Nkepile, a sad day for her family and her friends.
NKEPILE MABUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: As you can imagine, Becky, a very difficult time for the Steenkamp family. They gathered at around 11:00 this morning to remember her in a ceremony that was private. About 60 people were invited to this. And then her body was cremated not very far from where I'm standing right now.
Afterwards her family came out, a few members of the family came out to speak to the media. They really wanted to just thank South Africans for their support, for the sympathy, for the flowers that they've received from people. They say they even received flowers from all over the world.
And Reeva's uncle, Mike Steenkamp, spoke. And he was very strong at first, Becky, but then when he started to talk about Reeva and mention her name, he just couldn't maintain his composure and he broke down.
Let's just take a listen, Becky, to what happened outside that crematorium.
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MIKE STEENKAMP, REEVA STEENKAMP'S UNCLE: We are here today as a family. But there's only one thing missing, Reeva. We've got to get her (inaudible). I think we'll ever get over that with the lord's prayers.
In a statement that she stood for and abuse against women...
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MABUSE: And, you know, the family obviously finding it extremely difficult to understand why she had to die in such a brutal manner. When I spoke to people who arrived at the funeral, they described her as somebody who loved life, who loved other people, who gave so much of her time to other people. And they just cannot understand this person that they regard as an angel, how she ended up in so much danger and her life being ended at such a young age, only 29 years old and a promising young woman who not only inspired people in this town, but around the country she really was seen as a star -- Becky.
ANDERSON: Nkepile Mabuse in Port Elizabeth for you this evening.
Well, some in South Africa are concerned that this is turning into a case of trial by media. At the weekend, the national broadcaster showed a recent reality TV show featuring Steenkamp. Critics called it opportunistic. The show's creator said it was a chance to see what an amazing woman, in his words, she was.
Well, the case against Pistorius has been dominating local newspapers. In today's Pretoria news, this headline "Gun Obsessed Oscar." The paper says Pistorius had recently applied for more gun licenses. There's a similar line in the Cape Times. The headline, "Oscar's Firearm Wish List."
So, is he being tried by the media?
Earlier I put that question to a prominent South African lawyer William Booth.
WILLIAM BOOTH, CRIMINAL LAWYER: Well, I think there has been, in my mind, far too much speculation in the media, far too much hearsay. And that does certainly create a problem, although in South Africa we don't have the jury system where you might have members of the public being influenced. A magistrate is presently dealing with his bail hearing. And a judge and two assessors will probably deal with the trial. I certainly feel that that can subjectively influence even trained legal people.
And the papers in South Africa are certainly running some crazy stories. During the last weekend, every paper you opened had a different story and a different angle. And I don't feel that's correct. I think in the last few years in South Africa that seems to have become pretty much the norm with a lot of other high profile cases.
I think Oscar's matter is certainly probably more higher profile international than the others that have featured in the press in South Africa, but they've also been run in the press. And the trial should not take place in the newspapers or on television, it should take place in court.
ANDERSON: The bar is fairly low, isn't it, in South Africa? But is there a problem of contempt here, do you think, by media?
BOOTH: Well, in any court hearing if television stations and the media wish to screen or take photographs in court, you have to approach the presiding judge or magistrate and get them to decide, well, you can have media coverage in court.
But what happens outside is pretty much free for all. And I think one needs to look more strictly at the rules of publication.
I don't think one can compare it to the United States or the United Kingdom particularly where they are very, very stringent rules relating to publications.
ANDERSON: If you were a betting man, would you -- would you suggest he'll get bail at this point?
BOOTH: Well, I think the courts usually in South Africa look at one very important thing. Is the person a flight risk? I don't believe Mr. Pistorius is a flight risk. And I think you can safely ensure that he'll stand trial by fixing fairly high bail with conditions. He can surrender his passport, has to remain in South Africa or in fact even be placed under house arrest at his home. So, you know, he's presumed to be innocent. And the trial could take a couple of months, maybe even a year before it's finalized.
So I think being a betting man that there's a very good chance that the court will eventually will release him on bail.
ANDERSON: I did not mean to kill her: Oscar Pistorius' defense as the South African athlete is charged with murdering his girlfriend. His bail hearing resumes on Wednesday. And you can keep track of the details of the case that has rocked not just the Rainbow Nation, but the world as they emerge here on TV and online at CNN.com.
You've been watching Connect the World Live from London. Still to come tonight, it took thieves just minutes to make off with $50 million worth of diamonds. We'll tell you an extraordinary heist from an airport runway.
And China says don't blame us after Beijing is accused of possible cyber espionage.
Plus, the sound of silence: on the day the International Space Station went quiet.
All that and much more still to come.
ANDERSON: Right. A quick business news update for you. Within the last 10 or 15 minutes, the Dow Jones and the S&P stock markets in New York have closed up at fresh five year highs. You see the Dow there over that key psychological 14,000 level, up only about .4 percent today, but certainly up at what is at least in the short-term historical context a winning number.
Well, masked robbers pulled of a spectacular diamond heist in Brussels earlier today, but they didn't draw their guns in a jewelry story, instead they targeted a passenger jet waiting to depart from the airport. It turns out $50 million worth of diamonds were stashed in the cargo hold.
Dan Rivers joins us now with the details and how this daring heist went down -- Dan.
DAN RIVERS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORREPSONDENT: It's amazing, isn't it, that the brazen nature of this heist is just breathtaking. You've heard of security trucks being held up, but not so much a passenger jet being held up. The fact that they got in and out into what should be a secure area so quickly has left many here asking profound questions about whether there needs to be a fundamental review of security here.
The authorities here seem to have no clue as to who these men are, or where the gems are, rough, uncut diamonds that what they're cut and polished will be probably pretty untraceable and one would think are being sold on the black market right now.
RIVERS (voice-over): It required chutzpah, inside knowledge, and some very fast driving, one of the biggest gem heists ever and the question is, who did it? Who would dare to steal $50 million worth of diamonds from a supposedly super secure European airport?
(on camera): It all sounds like the plot of a Hollywood blockbuster, a rather unbelievable Hollywood blockbuster. The sheer audacity of this heist is breathtaking. They simply drove into Brussels International Airport, flashed their guns, and drove off with tens of millions of dollars worth of diamonds, and all without a shot being fired.
(voice-over): At 7:47 local time Monday night, the gang cut through a perimeter fence near a building site and drove parallel to the busy runway in two cars. They knew where to go, stopping a Swiss airliner, holding three people at gunpoint, stealing bags of uncut diamonds that had been unloaded from a Brink's security truck.
JAN VAN DER CRUYSSE, BRUSSELS AIRPORT: They have returned to the car and sped off again, left the airport perimeter, exactly 11 minutes after they have entered. The operation at the airport has taken exactly three minutes. So this was a very quick hit and run, very well organized.
RIVERS: The diamonds were being transported from Antwerp to Zurich. Antwerp is the world's diamond capital -- $200 million of the stones are transported through this airport each day. Traders here say they fear damage to their status as a world hub could be significant amid rising concerns over security. But experts say the mastermind of this heist will be tough to uncover.
HARRY LEVY, LONDON DIAMOND BOURSE: I imagine whoever commissioned the heist would keep as far a distance as he can, as far as identification is concerned, between himself and the people who actually carried out the robbery.
RIVERS: The thieves were reportedly dressed in uniforms to make them look official. With Europe's open borders they could have driven to any one of two dozen European countries by now, with the loot that's extremely difficult to trace.
RIVERS: The only time that this airport has been targeted in this fashion, in fact on four separate occasions thieves have attempted to steal or have got away with stealing millions of dollars worth of diamonds here, Becky. It all sounds a bit like an Ocean's 11 plot, but this is the Brussel's 8. And nobody seems to know who they are.
ANDERSON: Unbelievable stuff. Dan, thank you for that.
Well, everybody is in good shape. Reassuring words there from one of the NASA astronauts. Well, the International Space Station, NASA's main communication link to the station went down earlier on Tuesday while flight controllers in Houston were upgrading some of its software. It is now back on line. John Zarrella joining me live from our Miami bureau not far from Cape Canaveral.
This is a remarkable story. What's the news from space as it were?
JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know for awhile there, Becky, there wasn't any news at all from space, that was the problem. But the six astronauts and cosmonauts on board the International Space Station were never really in any danger, although it is extremely disconcerting for NASA whenever they lose communications with the space station and they don't know what's going on up there. And that's exactly what happened today for three hours.
While they were performing some fairly routine upgrades to the space station software, the computer software, suddenly they lost their primary forms of communication, both S-band and K-band communications to Earth.
Now the Space Station orbits the Earth once every 90 minutes. So once every 90 minutes they were able to get a communication link out through Russia, using Russian ground stations which use VHF communication. So they were able to do that. And again they were never in any danger.
But here's an interesting sidebar to all of this. This morning, before any of this happened, the Canadian astronaut on board, Chris Hadfield tweeted out this statement saying, quote, good morning Earth. Today we transition the space station's main computers to a new software load. Nothing could possibly go wrong. End quote.
You know, talk about nailing it before it ever happened. That's jut a little bit too weird.
But NASA does say that nothing -- that this has happened before, it's not unprecedented, both to lose the communications, not just with the space station, but also with the space shuttle when it was flying. So -- but I think that Chris Hadfield tweet is weird.
ANDERSON: Yeah. I'm just thinking to myself, you know, just the very fact that he's tweeting from space is quite remarkable. I guess we live in 2013 and I'm a bit of a Luddite when it comes to technology. But it also just think how lonely it must be when you lose contact with the Earth up there.
ZARRELLA: Yeah. You're absolutely right.
ANDERSON: These guys just get on with it, right?
ZARRELLA: Yeah, you know, you're absolutely right because -- you know, they are able to -- because they're able to communicate with their families. Communication is almost second nature now on the space station. In fact, you know, I've gotten calls from astronaut -- from an astronaut on the space station. So, I mean, it's phenomenal, just amazing how the technology works today. And I can imagine they felt quite not at ease at all not being able to communicate with Earth and Earth not communicating to them.
ANDERSON: All right. Mr. Zarrella, we thank you for that. Good stuff. Out of Miami for you this evening. John Zarrella.
I'm Becky Anderson out of London. This is Connect the World. Coming up comments by this award winning author about the Duchess of Cambridge are causing a right royal uproar online. And they've got plenty of you riled up. The details coming up.
ANDERSON: Well, cheering and the sound of cameras snapping away. New pictures of the Duchess of Cambridge carrying on her first official engagement since announcing that she is pregnant. The duchess visiting an addiction treatment clinic earlier today in London.
It's not just these new pictures though that have got people talking today. Comments about Catherine from an award winning British author has sparked a huge debate. And plenty of you are weighing in. We've -- let me say, we've kept him up tonight, but he's been working all day. Royal correspondent Max Foster joining me in the studio.
This is a right royal rumpus. I mean, I've got to be said, I heard it on the radio early on this morning. And it's just been out there on the airwaves all day. It's got global resonance as well. What's the back story to all this?
MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I mean, there is a negative duchess story -- there are people that don't like her. And a lot of media coverage is very positive, of course. And Hilary Mantel is a really respected author. She's an award winning author. She gave a lecture and she really laid in to Cate. If you take these comments out of context, a jointed doll on certain rags are hung with a plastic smile, the only purpose of her is to give birth. I mean, it's quite brutal.
But it's a long piece. And it's about, really, the media portrayal of her as well, but when you take it out of context it does sound really, really tough. But it sparked a debate, because there are some people that think she doesn't do very much. And there are others who say, well actually she's a really nice person. She does the job really well. So you've got it split both ways.
ANDERSON: All right, let's find out what some of our viewers have been commenting on this story. Favour, "anyone who feels or thinks that Kate has to behave like Diana is living the fool's paradise. No two people are the same." And that was with reference to part of what Hilary was saying. I think she made reference to Diana.
FOSTER: Yes, that Diana had faults which were visible. She is more emotional. And she -- that was a more interesting story to follow.
ANDERSON: Felix, "that's too hard. Give the young lady a break."
And AgonyF tonight, "hilary Mantel did not attack Kate Middleton. She offered a critique of monarchism." This is a take of the media taking comments completely out of context.
Roscoe, "I think what Mandel has missed is that Kate is a happy person and she exudes that joy in her public appearances."
Join the conversation, Facebook.com/CNNConnect. You can tweet me @BeckyCNN. Max @MaxCNN
ANDERSON: There you go.
FOSTER: You got me there.
David Cameron got involved in the debate, that's what really took it up a new level. He called these comments misguided and completely wrong. He hasn't read the whole piece either, but he sees Cate as this great champion.
I have to say I don't think -- I mean, people argue with me when I say this, but I think her job is quite hard. When I go to these events I think what she does, the way she sort of smiles and carries on normally with that whole ruckus around her is pretty hard to do. And she does sort of work hard, she does take it seriously.
ANDERSON: And she' pregnant.
FOSTER: She's pregnant. And she's a private person, but she accepts this as a future monarch, so she has to be out there. She's trying to balance it a bit, I think. I mean, it's pretty -- I think she comes under a lot of pressure.
ANDERSON: I've got to say Hilary Mantel is, as you said, an award winning novelist who writes a lot of historic books. Her books are fantastic. I think she was pretty silly to have made these comments and thought that they would, one resonate around the world, and two, come back and haunt her possibly.
FOSTER: They're on a quite specialist site. I don't think she was expecting the world's media to pick up on it.
ANDERSON: But they did.
Thank you, sir.
Max Foster in the house for you this evening.
The latest world news headlines are just ahead.
Plus, explosive allegations from a U.S. internet security firm. It says it's linked a massive cyber espionage campaign directly to China's military.
Bayern Munich came agonizingly close to Champion's League glory last season. Have they got the firepower this season, or do North London's Arsenal have what it takes to stop them from another run? All that coming up after this.
ANDERSON: This is CNN and these are the top stories this hour.
A bail hearing for South African track star Oscar Pistorius will resume Wednesday. He's being charged with premeditated murder in the shooting death of his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. Pistorius says he mistook her for a burglar and did not intend to kill her.
Masked thieves have pulled off one of the biggest diamond heists ever. Disguised as police, they drove up to a passenger jet on the runway in Brussels, drew their guns, and seized $50 million worth of diamonds from the cargo hold.
Tunisia's prime minister Hamadi Jebali has resigned, according to state TV. The moves come after he failed to form a new government. It's the latest political twist in Tunisia. Earlier this month, the assassination of a leading opposition figure sparked mass protests.
And a US computer security firm says China's army is behind one of the world's most prolific groups of hackers. It accuses them of stealing hundreds of terabytes of data from 141 organizations over the past six years. China rejects the report as baseless.
"The New York Times" and other US newspapers recently revealed that they had been hacked, directly blaming China and hackers in China. And just today, Apple said some of its computer were hacked. They said no data, though, was stolen. Apple says it's working with police to hunt down those who attacked their computers.
It hasn't accused China, but after today's cyber crime report, there could be plenty of suspicion. Let's kick this part of the show off with David McKenzie, who has more from Beijing.
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The dramatic allegations are coming from a US-based security firm. They say that not tens but hundreds of Chinese hackers have been persistently attacking particularly US companies to steal their secrets.
They say they are based mainly in these nondescript buildings near Shanghai in China, and not only are they trying to steal company secrets and infiltrate global corporations, but that they are doing it in the cooperation of the People's Liberation Army, or PLA.
Mandiant, the Virginia-based company, says that the Chinese government is aware and could be directing these attacks that, over years, terabytes of data have been stolen from some very key industries, including aerospace and high tech and IT.
The Chinese government has strongly come out against the allegations, saying that they are, quote, "irresponsible" and "baseless." It took the unusual step to point the finger in the other direction, saying that the Chinese are also victims of hacking.
Mandiant said it took the unusual step of releasing their research so that other security companies can protect their clients globally and that they could stop the specific hackers by outing them in the public.
Global terror experts say that not only corporate crime could be caused by hacking like this, but that the next terror suspects could be using cyber crime to infiltrate targets.
David McKenzie, CNN, Beijing.
ANDERSON: Well, Mandiant, despite China's denying all of this, is sticking to its report, even encouraging people to study the evidence for themselves.
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GRADY SUMMERS, VICE PRESIDENT, MANDIANT: We're not just issuing a one-page statement here, making some sort of baseless accusation. We're releasing 60 pages of evidence, over 3,000 technical indicators, everything from domain names to IP addresses to the actual encryption certificates that the attackers use.
So, we welcome the scrutiny. We invite other researchers to take a look at our evidence, and we think that they'll arrive to a conclusion similar to what we did.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ANDERSON: Well, before we interrogate this story a little more, it's not just China, of course. Analysts say a number of other countries have been behind past cyber attacks. From 2008 to 10, the US and Israel are suspected of targeting Iran with the computer worm called Stuxnet, you may remember that. It wreaked havoc on Iran's nuclear program.
In 2008, Georgia accused Russia of cyber attacks that shut down Georgian websites. The Russian government denied any involvement.
And Google threatened to pull its business operations in China in 2010 after revealing it was the target of a cyber attack. Google claimed Beijing was behind it, but Chinese officials then, as well, denying the charge.
So, how do hackers operate, and how can you stop them? Let's bring in Rod Beckstrom, he's a former director of the US National Cybersecurity Center. I want to talk specifically to this story that we've been discussing today. Firstly, does it resonate with you? Does this surprise you?
ROD BECKSTROM, FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE US NATIONAL CYBERSECURITY CENTER: Well, first, as John Mill, your own senior correspondent, shared this past week, when asked by Charlie Rose, he says all nations are doing this. And they're engaged in different types of espionage and intelligence gathering with respect to military and government information on the internet.
So, as -- your program's called CONNECT THE WORLD, and the reality is, the internet connects the entire world, and everything that's connected to the internet is vulnerable.
ANDERSON: So, what are the allegations here? What are the -- what have hackers been at, as it were?
BECKSTROM: Well, the allegation here that this company -- private company is making is that one country's military is active in doing effective economic espionage activities, and they've laid out a case where they're sharing that.
And within the broader global context, this is one of the phenomenons that's growing. There's different classes and categories of hackers out there, and one type -- and the most sophisticated type is state actors.
ANDERSON: Cybersecurity is front and center for everybody's domestic policy going forward. You hear it time and time again from the Obama administration, you hear it here in the UK, and I'm sure elsewhere as well. How do you track hackers?
BECKSTROM: Well, there's a lot of experts out there that do what we call threat analysis, and there's only four major types of hacker groups. There's individual, lone hackers out there. There's hacktivists that go fight for political causes online. There's criminal networks of hackers. And then there's state actors.
And they effectively scale up in power in that order as well, with state actors being by far the most sophisticated.
ANDERSON: What kind of damage did this do --
BECKSTROM: And so you can track the individual --
ANDERSON: Hang on. Hang on, Rod. Let me just ask you. What sort of damage does this do to bilateral relations between two countries? If that isn't a naive question.
BECKSTROM: Well, it's interesting, because if you talk about some of the countries involved here, they're huge trade partners and they focus on doing trade together and they're financially integrated. Their supply chains are integrated through the internet.
And so, while we hear the concerns being expressed here, we haven't yet seen nation states lifting up this issue and dealing with it on the negotiation table the way you seen trade issues, currency issues, and other financial issues with the recent crisis, for example.
ANDERSON: All right, your expert on the subject tonight, fascinating stuff.
BECKSTROM: And the --
ANDERSON: We thank you very much, indeed for joining us. Not surprisingly, perhaps, people in China may have missed the hacking allegations. The government there has censored some of our own reports on this story here. Just a quick example for you.
ANDERSON: It's called going to black. That's what happened when the show went out when we were discussing this in China.
Christiane's on the story tonight. Is China already at war with the United States? That's a question she will ask, and that is 30 minutes from now right here on CNN.
I'm Becky Anderson in London for you. Up next, how a passion for antiquities helps mold a very modern shipping magnate. Our Leading Women series is up next.
ANDERSON: CNN's Leading Women series profiles some of the very best in business. And this week, Greek shipping executive Angeliki Frangou. She launched her own shipping company when she was barely into her 20s. I went out to Greece to find out just how she did it.
ANDERSON (voice-over): Greece, recognized for its maritime prowess around the world. This leading Greek shipping executive has industry roots that go back five generations.
ANGELIKI FRANGOU, CHAIRWOMAN AND CEO, NAVIOS GROUP: I think shipping is in my DNA. I think what was inevitable is that I would have followed my passion.
ANDERSON: Her passion led her to establish not one, but four shipping and logistic companies, valued today at more than $4 billion. She's chairwoman and CEO of the Navios Group, a quartet specializing in transporting products such as chemicals, petroleum, grains, and soy around the world.
ANDERSON (on camera): You're a woman in this business. Does it matter?
FRANGOU: I can see that I'm blind to gender, race, or religion, and if you don't see limitations, the future is ahead of you.
ANDERSON (voice-over): This maritime shipping magnate who defies stereotypes is Angeliki Frangou.
Greek mythology has it that Helen of Troy was the face that launched a thousand ships. For this modern-day Greek, it was a $2 million loan and a dose of business savvy that launched her fleet.
ANDERSON (on camera): When you started, you started in Rio in shipyard in Rio, right?
FRANGOU: Yes. When I started, the United States was the grain provider of the world, with Russia. Today, the provider of grains in the world is South America.
ANDERSON (voice-over): In more than 20 years in the industry, Frangou has gone from a single ship to operating roughly 100 vessels. How she started her business is a remarkable story.
It began when she quit her job on Wall Street in 1989, deciding to be her own boss. She was just 25. After getting her hands on come capital, she flew to Rio di Janeiro and purchased an ailing ship, the Fulvia.
ANDERSON (on camera): What do you remember of those days?
FRANGOU: You start from very simple things. You arrive, you have a vessel that you need reactivate. It hadn't worked for a long period. Everything possible in there was stolen, so at least there were instructions on how to reconnect. And you had to rebuild it, refit it, and start.
ANDERSON (voice-over): Armed with a degree in mechanical engineering, a background in finance, and a family history in shipping, Frangou led efforts to get the ship seaworthy, and then officially entered the shipping business.
She says by 2004, the asset value of the company had grown to more than $150 million. That same year, she raised $200 million to acquire Navios and merged her business under the Navios name. She then expanded into the emerging markets.
ANDERSON (on camera): Your family is steeped in shipping, five generations. Was it inevitable that you get into shipping, do you think?
FRANGOU: I think what was inevitable is that I would have followed my passion. My parents really, they allowed all of us to be involved in what we liked. After all, you spend 70 percent of your awake day in your work. You have to enjoy it.
ANDERSON (voice-over): Navios is headquartered in Piraeus in Greece, not far from Athens. It's where I met Frangou. The company also has offices in several other countries and owns two ports in South America, including here in Uruguay, which ships products such as grains, sugar, and salt, among other dry goods.
The Navios fleet has a carrying capacity of about 11 million tons. Navios says it sails to about 400 ports around the world, with more than 2200 crew members on vessels worldwide.
ANDERSON (on camera): I want to get the sense of a life in the day of a CEO of a shipping company. So just walk me through that day, if you will.
FRANGOU: I -- you start from your commercial team that can tell you what happens with every vessel that is open and where you have to fix in the world, what is the conditions. You may have -- and you're building a vessel that is coming, so we have to make sure that all conditions are met, anchors to be fixed.
The one thing you learn when you are 25 and you start your company that you can never shut off your phone. Navios has 3,000 employees, 500 offices, 2,500 seafarers. The life of these people rely on you. You do not have the right to ever turn it off. You have to be there.
ANDERSON (voice-over): Frangou says as chairwoman and CEO of Navios, she spends a third of her time around the world on business.
ANDERSON (on camera): What do you know about these expeditions?
ANDERSON (voice-over): In the coming weeks, more on Frangou and her company and what she enjoys doing when she's not working.
FRANGOU: Look at the golden jewelry.
ANDERSON: To get more on the series, log onto cnn.com/leadingwomen. On Friday, Angeliki Frangou and singer/songwriter Daniela Mercury discuss what it takes to be a Leading Woman with a family. We'll be back after this.
ANDERSON: All right. Champions League round of 16 action continued Tuesday. The big match-up saw Arsenal host last season's runners-up, Bayern Munich. Amanda Davies joining me now. That match has just finished. It was always going to be a massive one for the North London team, given their current abysmal form. So, what was the result?
AMANDA DAVIES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Well, putting it bluntly, Arsenal lost. Not too spectacularly, but 3-1, which is pretty comprehensive.
ANDERSON: And that was at home, right?
DAVIES: That was at home, so pretty comprehensive heading into the second leg back in Germany. Jens Lehmann, a former Arsenal goalkeeper, a German international, had called it the worst possible draw for Arsenal.
And given everything that had happened in the run-up to this match with their early exist from the FA Cup, they're already out of the League Cup, and their relatively poor Premier League performance, there's been pressure mounting an Arsene Wenger to the point that in the run-up to this game, people were really questioning his future.
There was an Arsenal poll from one of the influential fanzines called "The Gooner" fanzine, and they posed the question over the weekend, would you like to see a new manager by the end of the season, yes or no? And 82 percent --
DAVIES: -- had said yes.
ANDERSON: I can only imagine what that's going to say tonight if they poll again. I mean, it's -- listen, this is a guy that's been at the club for 16 years, he has had a prolific career with them --
ANDERSON: -- as a manager, but they are lacking a trophy over the -- what -- last six or seven years?
DAVIES: Eight years.
ANDERSON: Eight years.
DAVIES: The FA Cup 2005.
ANDERSON: That's not good enough, is it, really?
DAVIES: It's not. For a club of their stature and their standing, you would expect them to be winning more trophies --
ANDERSON: So, is he on his way out?
DAVIES: It's a really tough call, this one. A lot of other clubs on paper, looking at what has happened, they wouldn't have given him this long. They'd have got rid of him three, four seasons ago.
But Arsene Wenger is a man who -- he's been credited with transforming not just football at Arsenal, but across the English Premiership. He's known as the professor, bringing in these different training methods, and he's brought a lot of silverware to Arsenal. He's belted out four FA Cups while he's been there.
But the problem is, it's not just Arsene Wenger, it's what's above him. And since David Dein left, since the key players like Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira, Cesc Fabregas, since those guys have left, they're really struggling as a club for leadership, and you don't know where that's going to change, whether that board will look at this and say now we do have to do something, you really have to question that.
ANDERSON: It's funny, isn't it? Because it is all about money, and if he continues, and he could still -- he's in a position in the league still to get fourth place, which is a Champions League place --
ANDERSON: Whether they go out after this second leg or not, he could still be in Champions League next year, and when it's about the money that's generated by that big tournament, to all intents and purposes, the board could still say he's worth it, right?
DAVIES: Yes, and there isn't that much silverware to win, and when you're competing with the likes of Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea, with their big bank accounts, then actually, Arsenal getting this far, getting into the Champions League probably isn't so bad. Not quite good enough for the fans, though, is it?
ANDERSON: Fifty-two minutes past this hour. At the bottom of the next one here in London, Amanda will be back with that and more. I know you've got some terrific stuff tonight on Australian swimming and the mess, I guess --
DAVIES: Not so terrific for them --
ANDERSON: -- is the word for that. Well, yes. It's a terrific story --
ANDERSON: -- in that it's a hell of a mess.
ANDERSON: So, you're absolutely right to pick me up on that, thank you.
ANDERSON: Nearly the end of my day. Amanda's back, please do join her for that, "World Sport," at the bottom of the hour.
Now, Hollywood's best and brightest will walk the red carpet on Sunday night at the Academy Awards. No doubt Amanda and I will be watching glued to our screens. So, all this week, we are putting you in the Oscar picture.
What's this year's best film? We want to know your Oscar picks, so do log onto cnn.com/showbiz to vote for your favorites.
I'm going to help you out by introducing you to some of the Oscar- nominated directors this week. My colleague, Max, has been talking to Pablo Larrain. He's the man behind a movie called "No." It's up for the Best Foreign Language Film and tells the story of an ad campaign that helped bring down a dictatorship. Have a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - "NO")
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Yes, right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I think that this -- this doesn't sell.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was their chance to end 15 years of dictatorship. A group of advertising executives trying to persuade the Chilean people to vote their president, General Pinochet, out of power.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - "NO")
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): We're using advertising language, but building a political concept behind it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: This is the story of how their TV campaign was created, brought to cinemas by Chilean director Pablo Larrain.
PABLO LARRAIN, DIRECTOR, "NO": And it shows some sort of beautiful perspective on how a whole country could actually come together in order to defeat a dictator, and it's done in a very emotional and entertaining way at the same time.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - "NO")
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): No more Pinochet! No more dictatorship!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): It's good, eh?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): It could work!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): It's really good, man, it's perfect.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: It's an entertaining watch that weaves in real archival footage. But the film also shows what was at stake.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - "NO")
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): It's dangerous out there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): What happened?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): They wanted to follow me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Let's calm down, I think they're just trying to scare us.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: More disappearances, military abuse, political executions: the dark underbelly of a brutal regime whose crimes Larrain says have gone largely unpunished.
LARRAIN: We never reach any kind of justice. Pinochet died free and a millionaire and most of the people who actually committed the human rights violations during the dictatorship here are still walking in the streets. So, it's something that still is open, and I think once you don't -- when you don't get any kind of justice, there's no balance. So, that wound I think is still open.
FOSTER: The film highlights the divide within Chile between those who wanted Pinochet to leave and those who saw the election as fixed but wouldn't acknowledge the regime's crimes.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - "NO")
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Tell us why you like the Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): I'm fine. My son is in college, my daughter has work.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): And the issue of the dead, the tortured, the disappeared, what do you think about that?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LARRAIN: When the film was released here, we got every single reaction, and there's no indifference, which is probably very interesting. Then we had a national debate, first on the film, and then afterwards everybody was talking about the referendum again.
When just as a movie made by a very little amount of people can sort of refresh and reinstall the idea and the concepts and everything that you can talk about on this specific subject. So for us, it's been really a pleasure to have the opportunity to bring this up again into our society.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - "NO")
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): Chile, happiness is coming.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
FOSTER: Max Foster, CNN, London.
ANDERSON: So, just part of the series profiling directors who are in for the chance of adding an Oscar to their mantelpiece this Sunday. Last night, we heard from Nikolaj Arcel about his film, "A Royal Affair," the Danish period drama hoping to take the award for best foreign picture.
You can watch that and all the best interviews on our blog at cnn.com/connect. You can also tells us which film you're rooting for on our Facebook page at facebook.com/CNNconnect. And don't forget, you can always tweet me @BeckyCNN, @BeckyCNN.
Just before we go tonight, in Parting Shots, a view of London we don't often get to see, courtesy of Twitter and London's Met Police. Take a look at the view from the Met's law enforcement helicopter high above the city. Since January, police crews have been posting aerial photos to their Twitter accounts, @MPSinthesky.
From sunsets on the Thames to famous landmarks to fireworks over the London Eye ringing in the new year, the police share unique views on what I think is probably a unique city, I think it's fair to say. That all while keeping a watchful eye over London.
I'm Becky Anderson, that was CONNECT THE WORLD. Thank you for watching. From the team here, it's a very good evening.