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AROUND THE WORLD
Who will be the Next Pope?; The Latest in Pistorius Case; Jodi Arias Answers Juror Questions
Aired March 7, 2013 - 12:30 ET
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JOHN ALLEN, CNN SENIOR VATICAN ANALYST: Americans were also making cardinals from other parts of the world look bad because journalists were asking, hey, if the Americans are doing it, why aren't you doing it?
And I think for all of these reasons, there was a kind of gentleman's club agreement to pull the plug.
FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, ANCHOR, "CNN AROUND THE WORLD": You know, people are trying to draw a lot of comparisons about this selection of a pope to when we had the death of Pope John Paul.
Very different circumstances, it seemed as though Ratzinger's name came up quickly, and the next thing you know, you had Pope Benedict, but in this case, it's taking a bit more time.
Can you kind of explain what taking place, that there is no real short list of potential candidates because this all came very unexpected, this resignation.
ALLEN: Yeah, Fredricka, I think you really put your finger on it there.
I mean, you know, officially, the Vatican will say tat they're not rushing to set a date because they want to be deliberative and careful and all of that, but, you know, in background, what cardinals will tell you is that part of the picture is that this is not 2005.
In 2005, there was a clear front-runner in Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the man who had been John Paul's right hand, the intellectual architect of his papacy.
This time, what you have is a much more wide-open field and, in fact, in the -- in one of the last press briefings we got, Cardinal Francis George of Chicago said that right now, the list seems to be coming longer rather than shorter of potential popes.
I think their concern is they don't want to have a protracted conclave once they go into the Sistine Chapel because that would broadcast images of paralysis and deadlock, so to avoid that, they want to give themselves as much time as they can right now to do the political heavy lifting so that they don't end up stalled once they're behind those closed doors.
WHITFIELD: All right, John Allen, thanks so much, Vatican analyst joining us from Rome.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CO-ANCHOR, "CNN AROUND THE WORLD": All right, well, a family coming to grips with a tragic loss. We're going to have an exclusive interview with Reeva Steenkamp's uncle and cousin.
WHITFIELD: They actually forgive the "Blade Runner."
WHITFIELD: Welcome back to AROUND THE WORLD. Here are the top stories right now.
HOLMES: Yeah, the head of the Syrian opposition coalition telling CNN, exclusively, that 21 U.N. peacekeepers are safe.
WHITFIELD: Earlier in the week, activists posted videos that showed armed Syrian men with U.N. trucks in the background.
HOLMES: Yeah, it was believed the rebels were initially holding them in a village in the Golan Heights, the U.N. personnel part of a force that is maintaining the ceasefire between Israel and Syria. It's all separate from the civil war.
WHITFIELD: The opposition is saying that the rebels removed the peacekeepers from an unsafe area and they want the Red Cross to come pick them up.
HOLMES: Let's go to Kenya now. There is a call there to stop the vote tallies in the presidential election. A political coalition led by Prime Minister Raila Odinga says the process is doctored.
WHITFIELD: Incomplete results show Odinga trailing his main opponent, Uhuru Kenyatta.
Kenyatta's party made its own complaint about the election process on Wednesday.
HOLMES: Yeah, and meanwhile, the International Criminal Court has postponed the trial of Kenyatta it was going to hold on charges of crimes against humanity. A complex political situation.
WHITFIELD: It is, indeed, and it's been very complex for a while there in Kenya as it pertains to the presidential elections.
So, at least one friend of Oscar Pistorius says the Olympic track star was quick to get angry, always ready to fight and always had a gun on him.
HOLMES: Yeah, a lot of information starting to come out that had been sort of bubbling along under the surface. Pistorius, of course, one of South Africa's biggest sporting heroes, running in the Olympics on those prosthetic legs.
WHITFIELD: He's charged with murdering his girlfriend, shooting her to death at his home on Valentine's Day.
A man who ran in the same social circles as Pistorius tells CNN that he was a loose cannon.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MARK BATCHELOR, SOUTH AFRICAN SOCCER PLAYER: He would have a trip switch and, you know, he'd get violent and angry and he'd fight with people, cause a lot of problems.
It's like you're waiting for something like this to happen, you know?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HOLMES: Yeah, now, Oscar Pistorius, of course, denies killing his girlfriend on purpose. He says that he mistook Reeva Steenkamp for an intruder.
WHITFIELD: And, of course, you'll only see this on CNN. You're about to hear more firsthand impressions of Pistorius from people close to Reeva Steenkamp.
Incredibly, some members of her family are willing to forgive Oscar Pistorius.
HOLMES: Now, Drew Griffin is in Cape Town, South Africa.
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: The interview took place inside the Cape Town home. Reeva often stayed in the back room of her cousin's, Kim Martin's. It is where we interviewed her and Reeva's uncle.
Has the family now realized emotionally what has happened?
MIKE STEENKAMP, REEVA STEENKAMP'S UNCLE: You sort of wake up in the morning expecting Reeva to give a phone call.
KIM MARTIN, REEVA STEENKAMP'S COUSIN: It's easier to deal with it if you don't concentrate on anything else other than the fact she's not here and, at the end of the day, she's not coming back.
GRIFFIN: What the family says it does not want to concentrate on is just why Reeva Steenkamp is not coming back
She died in the home and at the hands of her boyfriend, Oscar Pistorius. He is charged with murder, awaiting trial for what he has called an accidental shooting.
Kim Martin says she was as close to Reeva as a sister. There were no secrets. She knew the couple were dating. She also knew Reeva was not in love.
MARTIN: And I knew that in time she would chat to me about it.
GRIFFIN: But she never did?
MARTIN: No, she never did. GRIFFIN: January 2nd, on Small Bay in Cape Town, Kim and her daughters finally did meet him at this seaside cafe.
It was the only time she ever met Oscar Pistorius. He barely made an impact.
MARTIN: It wasn't long enough to form an opinion on his personality, you know?
Typical Reeva, her and I were chatting and the kids and, what I saw of him and what -- the bit that we did speak, he was nice. He did seem like a nice guy.
GRIFFIN: You still think that?
MARTIN: I don't really want to comment on that.
GRIFFIN: In what now seems an ominous event, we know Reeva's own mother had met Oscar Pistorius, too, at least by phone.
Oscar and Reeva were driving on a highway and Oscar, prone to fast cars, was supposedly speeding.
STEENKAMP: She phoned her mom and said to her mom, Mom, Oscar's speeding, so June took the phone and said, let me speak to Oscar, and said to him, Oscar, hey, listen, that's my precious and my only daughter, my precious daughter, and that's everything. That's my angel and you better slow down.
Otherwise, I will get the Mafia on to you afterwards, and Reeva said afterwards, Mom, he slowed down.
GRIFFIN: Now, the family, including Reeva's parents, Barry and June, are trying to come to grips with a lot of tales from the past, former friends of Pistorius speaking out about anger, rage and guns; early signs that police may have mishandled the crime scene; and the fact that Pistorius, who's admitted killing Reeva in an accidental shooting, is now free from jail, awaiting trial.
MARTIN: The less I hear about it, all the other stuff, the better.
STEENKAMP: None of us are going to be represented at the court in the trial. None of us in family are going to go up. We won't be present. I can tell you that now.
And for that reason, it's not about the court case. It's about Reeva.
GRIFFIN: It would be too painful, but choking back tears, Mike Steenkamp did say he one day does want to meet the man who killed his niece.
STEENKAMP: I would like to be face to face with him and forgive him, forgive him what he's done.
And that way I can find what's probably more peace with the situation, but tell him face to face. GRIFFIN: and you would forgive him, Mike, whether this was a tragic accident or whether this was ...
STEENKAMP: Whatever the outcome, I feel that my belief, and if Christ could forgive when he died on the cross, why can't I?
GRIFFIN: You must have seen the reports about things in his past that have come out. Is there any reaction to any of that?
STEENKAMP: The least I know from the outside, the better, for myself, that right or wrong, I'm still focused on the one thing is forgiveness and I'm not going change from that.
GRIFFIN: As for what happens to Oscar Pistorius, it doesn't matter, says Steenkamp. Nothing will bring Reeva back.
Drew Griffin, CNN, Cape Town, South Africa.
HOLMES: Stoic, isn't it ...
WHITFIELD: It really is.
HOLMES: ... just his faith?
WHITFIELD: And it's tough just to see the family and you know how families are torn about that case, and the details that continue to just kind of trickle out.
HOLMES: Horrible stuff.
HOLMES: The Dow, up again.
WHITFIELD: Isn't it remarkable?
HOLMES: Look at it. It's up 0.3 percent again today.
WHITFIELD: Lots of signs of encouragement on the markets, we'll take a closer look after this.
WHITFIELD: All right. Welcome back to AROUND THE WORLD. Here are the top stories we're following.
North Korea cranked up the tough talk even more today. A statement from Pyongyang promises to shoot first if it looks like the United States is about to start a nuclear war.
HOLMES: Yes, North Korea also threatening to week to toss out the Korean War cease fire agreement. The armistice that's been in place for so many years.
In Frankfurt, Germany, the European Central Bank deciding not to cut interest rates to a new record low, despite the poor economic outlook and record unemployment.
WHITFIELD: Some exists thought the bank would cut rates to stimulate growth. Some market confidence has returned to Europe in part because of the painful economic restructuring by governments in Athens, Rome, Madrid and Lisbon.
HOLMES: All right, let's have a look at stocks advancing again today. Setting up yet another record high for the Dow.
WHITFIELD: All right. Take a look at the numbers right there. Up 41 points, 14,337. The rally has been driven by a series of strong economic reports. Investors are gearing up for tomorrow's monthly jobs report.
HOLMES: Yes, economists are expecting a gain of 170,000 jobs or so in February. We'll see what happens.
WHITFIELD: Encouraging signs.
HOLMES: Encouraging indeed.
All right, now step away from that hot dog and bacon.
WHITFIELD: Oh, boy.
HOLMES: Yes, a new study says it might be killing you.
WHITFIELD: Oh, no. The dangers of processed meats straight ahead.
HOLMES: Welcome back, everyone, to AROUND THE WORLD.
WHITFIELD: I'm Fredricka Whitfield.
HOLMES: I'm Michael Holmes.
WHITFIELD: All right. This is a pretty big case that has been riveting the nation. We're talking about the Jodi Arias trial -- murder trial. She's accused of killing her boyfriend. In fact, she admits to it. But there are a number of circumstances where that's where the confusion kind of begins.
WHITFIELD: And here it is unfolding -- resuming today in Phoenix, Arizona.
HOLMES: Let's listen in for a little bit.
(BEGIN LIVE FEED) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Times of memory loss with Travis. How is it possible you remember such details from those days if you had a foggy memory?
JODI ARIAS, DEFENDANT: The fog or the confusion only begins when he starts screaming or if there's a fear that maybe there's going to be tension or some kind of escalation of anger or violence. And then certain incidents, such as the physical pain, is crystallized in my mind. So that sticks. And then also there are journal entries that I've made that remind me of that day and details of that day. So it helps me remember, oh, yeah, that day I did this before I want to Travis' house. I remember it was around this time or this day or this day of the week. So I did review my journals constantly over the years and that's given me perspective as far as, you know, things like that. So the confusion comes in when he begins to get angry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is there anyone else who knows about your memory issues?
ARIAS: Well, I mean, again, I think I have a really excellent memory, just the --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Answer the question as stated.
ARIAS: It's hard because I don't think I have memory issues.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, then that's your answer.
Did Travis' roommates every hear these altercations to your knowledge?
ARIAS: I'm not sure about that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To your knowledge, did anyone else hear your altercations?
ARIAS: Yes. They have. That would be Dan Fremand (ph) heard the last tail end of the altercation the morning we went to (INAUDIBLE). He came into the bedroom as Travis was throwing me out of the bedroom. So there was that. And then also in the car. We had pulled over. And it was actually so I could use the bathroom in the forest rather than take pictures. But that led to an argument when I came back to the car. He had locked me out. Travis locked me out. So he saw that. I just went and sat by the side of the road and waited for him to open the door and he lost patience and he came out of the car and I came back in. But it led to an argument over that. So Dan and Desiree (ph) were witness to that.
I don't know if they saw any other arguments and I don't think anyone else, to my knowledge, would have seen any.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have testified about several incidents where Travis was physical to you. Were you ever physical to Travis besides when you killed him? ARIAS: I think when he was choking me, my hands were free, he was over my torso, my arms were free, so I may have tried to push him off or -- I didn't want to injure him, I just wanted him to get off of me, but that was very quick and it didn't last long.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you consider the event when Travis choked you a stressful event?
ARIAS: Certainly. Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If yes, why do you recall the events so clearly?
ARIAS: I recall up to the point where he was choking me and passing out. I had disorientation after I woke up. I had to get my bearings. I wasn't sure where I was. Then I recognized Travis' bedroom. I was lying on my side coughing and so I saw the carpet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) how she recognized -- how she's able to (INAUDIBLE) it today.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She's explaining it, your honor.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Over ruled. You may continue.
ARIAS: So I was experiencing disorientation. I wasn't thinking, gosh, Travis just chocked me out. I was -- actually a thought sort of wandered through my mind. I said, where's Napoleon, in my heard. That was my thought. So it didn't really have any relation to the event. That was just a thought. I was kind of getting my bearings. So there is -- it's not completely clear. I just remember he had his hands around my neck and he was banging my head on the carpet. And I tried to push him off and it was -- then I blacked out really shortly after that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the moments of stress or fog, how do you recall what happened in those moments if it affects your memory?
ARIAS: I don't recall clearly what happens in those moments as far as details, every detail. I just -- sometimes I have a general sense of what's going on. And sometimes I don't. But as far as the fog goes, it's more, again, just words that are being spoken or screamed or yelled and that -- processing that sort of thing. Physical things I can remember because I feel them physically. I can remember what I feel internally and emotionally as well. But it's more the words that are being spoken and their meanings, but it's -- I do remember what I feel, if that makes sense.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why were you afraid of the consequences if you killed Travis in self-defense?
ARIAS: I was -- I believed that it's not OK, in any circumstance, to take someone's life, even if you're defending your own life. That's how I believed it. So I had never really stopped to consider how society would view it if someone was defending themselves. I just felt like I had done something wrong and I was afraid of what the consequences would be. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What happened to the gas cans after the road trip in June of 2008?
ARIAS: They went back to my grandmother's house. Where I went back to eventually. And I was taking a road trip to Monterey and had intended to bring them to Darrell (ph), but I never made it to that road trip.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Regarding shaking memory foggy reaction, number one, if you -- do you always have a reaction as you described when someone corrects or challenges you?
ARIAS: I do now. I've gotten a little bit better and a little bit stronger. It's a condition that started again in November 2007 and continued. It continues to this day, but I've gotten a little better about it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Number two, is this --
(END LIVE FEED)
WHITFIELD: All right, Jodi Arias there on the stand and answering questions being posed by the jurors, but delivered by way of the judge.
HOLMES: An unusual thing to see.
All right, that will do it for me. Thanks for watching AROUND THE WORLD. You're not done yet.
WHITFIELD: Not done. We're going to have much more of this and other news happening on Capitol Hill, the White House and beyond.
I'm Fredricka Whitfield. See you again tomorrow, Michael.
HOLMES: See you tomorrow, indeed.
WHITFIELD: Appreciate it.
All right. And we'll be right back after this. Much more in the NEWSROOM.