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NANCY GRACE

Arias Cross-Exam Recap

Aired March 12, 2013 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, Jodi Arias, the state strikes back. Arias accused of stabbing victim Travis Alexander 29 times, then shooting him. Now she claims self-defense. Arias goes on and on in court for more than a week, spewing graphic and disturbing allegations against the victim, claims ranging from physical abuse to child porn, and without any pushback.

You`ve heard Arias tell her side of the story. Now it`s time for Arias to face the music. This is Jodi Arias, the state strikes back. The cross-examination kicks off with a bang. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take a look at exhibit 413. You recognize that exhibit, correct?

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that`s a picture of you, correct, right here?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The other one is a picture of your dumb sister, Angela, correct?

ARIAS: That`s my sister. She`s not dumb.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, do you remember having a conversation with Travis Alexander back on May 10th of 2008?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And do you remember that you tape recorded that conversation?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And during that conversation, isn`t it true that you said, I honestly think -- talking about Angela -- she`s a little bit dumb? You said that, right?

ARIAS: Yes, I called her dumb and stupid.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did I ask you whether or not you called her stupid, ma`am?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I asked you whether or not you called her dumb, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Haven`t you lied from the very start of this case until, according to you, you got on the witness stand?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you`re saying that you`re not lying here, that what you`re telling us is the truth, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you are telling us that when you spoke with the detective, that that wasn`t true, correct, whatever it is that you told him?

ARIAS: Well, anything -- some things were not true. Most things.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Most things were true? Is that what you`re saying?

ARIAS: Some things were not true.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you lie to the detective, yes or no?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you lie to him on two occasions?

ARIAS: More than two, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I`m talking about two days. Did you lie to him on two days?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you also lie to "48 Hours"?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you lie to people in Utah?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you lie to Daniel freeman (ph)?

ARIAS: Yes, everyone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. So you lied to a lot of people, but you`re saying that just because you`re sitting here in this courtroom, there has been, for lack of a better term, a conversion and you`re now telling the truth, right?

ARIAS: For lack of a better term, yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

TRAVIS ALEXANDER, VICTIM: Start touching yourself.

ARIAS: I am already!

ALEXANDER: I just (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: How wish it were my hands giving you (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

ALEXANDER: Honey, before I met you, I never (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You hear that?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said, Honey, before I met you, I never (EXPLETIVE DELETED), right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you have no reason to doubt that, do you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Objection. Calls for (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: I have plenty of reason to doubt that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled. You may answer (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: I do have reason to doubt that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you`re basing your previous statements to us about him being with other women on what he told you, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And yet we have him here via this technical medium telling us that he never (EXPLETIVE DELETED) before he met you. Isn`t that what he`s saying?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And so what you`re saying is that, Well, I`ll believe him when it`s to my benefit, but I won`t believe him when it`s not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. (INAUDIBLE) we`re talking about apples and oranges, sex versus masturbation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled. You may answer the question.

ARIAS: I don`t know because I don`t think that`s to my benefit or not, either way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, what you`re saying to me is, I`ll believe him when he tells me that he`s having some sort of intimacies with other women. You told us that you believed that, right?

ARIAS: Yes, I did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you believed that without talking to the women, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yet when we hear him in court saying that he never masturbated or (EXPLETIVE DELETED) before he met you, you`re saying you won`t believe that, right?

ARIAS: Based on what he`s also told me...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes or no?

ARIAS: ... then that would be no because he has (EXPLETIVE DELETED)...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes or no -- you won`t believe what he just said there, right?

ARIAS: It wasn`t consistent, so no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So no, you don`t believe him, right?

ARIAS: No, I don`t believe that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in fact, with regard to this recording, the person that was recording it was you, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It wasn`t him, right?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you`re saying that it was for his benefit, though, right? That`s what you told us on direct examination, right?

ARIAS: No, I didn`t say for his benefit. It was for us to listen to.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it was actually for your benefit, wasn`t it?

ARIAS: I don`t see how.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, in terms of who had control of that, that was you, right?

ARIAS: Control over the recording?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that`s what we`re talking about. We`re talking about a recording that you made on May 10th of 2008. Are we clear on that?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That recording was in your control, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was never in Mr. Alexander`s control, was it.

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that if anybody was going to enjoy that recording, it was you.

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, if anybody had it, it was you then, right?

ARIAS: I had it, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And if anybody wanted to hear it again, that would be -- the only person that could do that would be you, right?

ARIAS: That`s not right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How is it that Mr. Alexander could hear it if you were the only person who had it?

ARIAS: That`s what we were trying to figure out, how to replay it for him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, you still had control of it, though, didn`t you?

ARIAS: For about a week, I did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, yes or no, did you have control of it?

ARIAS: Yes, for a week.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You keep saying for a week. Are you saying that you then gave it to him?

ARIAS: No, that`s not what I`m saying.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. So but you did have control of this recording in the sense that it was in your telephone, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was never in Mr. Alexander`s possession, right?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You claim that on January 21 of 2008, you caught Mr. Alexander masturbating to some images of boys, correct?

ARIAS: I only saw one image. It was a boy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, didn`t you say that there were images -- there were more than one?

ARIAS: There were more than one image. I only caught a glimpse of one image.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry, was there more than one image, ma`am?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. But you only saw one, right?

ARIAS: One clearly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) Is that yes?

ARIAS: That`s yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that was the day before this supposed thing happened, where he had this violent issue with you on January 22nd of 2008, right?

ARIAS: That`s right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And ma`am, one of the things that -- the way you made it sound was that he had a problem, right?

ARIAS: He did have a problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s what you claim, right?

ARIAS: That`s the reality.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s what you claim, correct?

ARIAS: OK. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When back then there was this problem, did you call, for example -- the you made it sound is had he this huge problem. Did you call, for example, child protective service?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, you made it sound that there was such a big problem that he even went and spent the night somewhere at a friend`s house and they had a child and that concerned you. Do you remember telling us that on direct examination?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And yet you didn`t go to that person and tell them, Hey, he`s got this issue, did you.

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t go to the police department and tell them anything, right?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You chose to keep that allegation until about two years ago? Is that right?

ARIAS: I think it`s almost three years ago at this point -- no -- I think it was almost three-and-a-half, four years ago at this point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pick a year. What year did you (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: 2009 is when I first told somebody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you were arrested back in July of 2008, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when this detective interviewed you, you didn`t tell him anything about it, did you.

ARIAS: Definitely not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you could have, right?

ARIAS: In theory, yes, I could have.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, one of the things that happened with regard to this particular issue is that there was a hearing that was scheduled involving this -- well, what time did this allegation happen? When do you claim that -- and we know the date. What time do you claim that you saw this masturbatory activity?

ARIAS: It would have been in the afternoon, after my morning shift.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what time would that have been, ma`am?

ARIAS: I don`t know the exact time, but it was afternoon before -- well before it was dark. It was still light out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Can you be more specific. Was it noon?

ARIAS: It was after noon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, was it 2:00 o`clock?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Objection. Asked and answered. She already says that she doesn`t know what time it was.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Restate the question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If it was so noteworthy, why can`t you remember the time?

ARIAS: It was kind of traumatic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what, just because it`s -- weren`t your senses heightened, heightened at that time that you saw this? Didn`t you get angry or upset?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Objection. Compounded question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sustained.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you angry?

ARIAS: I was sick to my stomach.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, were you angry?

ARIAS: I was not angry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you angry?

ARIAS: I became angry later, but not in the moment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you angry at that time, ma`am?

ARIAS: I said not in that moment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So the answer is no, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you upset at that time?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So if you`re upset, aren`t you kind of -- your senses heightened at that time to know the time?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. She`s answered the question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled.

ARIAS: Can you repeat that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Weren`t your senses heightened because of this anger to at least know the time so somebody could check it out?

ARIAS: Well, you said because of anger, but I wasn`t angry at that moment.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, then, you see this, you`re not angry and you`re not upset, right?

ARIAS: I am upset.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, you are upset. If you`re upset, don`t you think that that would have heightened your senses over what you just saw?

ARIAS: My mind doesn`t work like that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: When we come back, Jodi Arias forced to confront her memory problems.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: For over a week, while Arias on direct with her own lawyer, she remembers everything, alternating between poise, crying jags, recalling minute details dating back years and years. But then on cross-exam, she recalls practically nothing, a fact prosecutor Juan Martinez picks up on.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the things that we`ve heard through a text message was that you were upset at some point because Mr. Alexander said that you were going to turn out like your mother or you were acting like your mother. Do you remember that text message, ma`am?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in that text message, there was this indication that somehow, he was saying something bad about your mother, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when you testified, you seemed to get pretty upset about that, right?

ARIAS: I remember getting emotional.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you indicated that you loved your mother, right?

ARIAS: I do love my mother, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you or did you not indicate that you loved your mother? I`m not asking you if you love your mother, I`m asking you if you indicated it.

ARIAS: I don`t remember.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have problems with your memory, ma`am?

ARIAS: Sometimes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you can tell us, for example, what kind of coffee you bought at Starbucks back on June 3rd of 2008, but you can`t tell us what you said yesterday or the day before?

ARIAS: I always got the same drink at Starbucks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you can tell us, for example, what type of sex you had with Mr. Alexander many years ago, but you`re having trouble telling us what you said a couple of days ago?

ARIAS: When I`m under stress, yes, it affects my memory.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought you said the relationship with Mr. Alexander was very stressful.

ARIAS: Some of the sex wasn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pardon?

ARIAS: Some of the sex wasn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you did enjoy sex, then. Is that what you`re telling me?

ARIAS: At times, I did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And anything else that you would give me would be a guess, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And ma`am, do you have -- I mean, you have a lot of memory for a lot of events involving sexual instances with Mr. Alexander, yet you seem to be having problems with your memory here today. And then you also alluded to a little bit that you have problems with your memory. Is this a long-standing thing, that you`ve had problems with your memory, or is this just something that happened recently?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Compound question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sustained.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your problems with your memory, is it of recent vintage?

ARIAS: Define recent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know, since you started testifying.

ARIAS: No, it goes back further than that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How long does it -- far back does it go?

ARIAS: I don`t even know if I`d call it a problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, just tell me how far back it goes. You said you were going to tell me, so tell me, please.

ARIAS: How far back what goes?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re talking about your memory problem, right?

ARIAS: I don`t know that I`d really call it a problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

ARIAS: I don`t remember every single thing that`s ever happened to me in my whole life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, your memory issues. We`re talking about those, right?

ARIAS: I wouldn`t even call them issues. But OK, my memory.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you don`t want to call them problems, right?

ARIAS: No, I don`t want to call them problems.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t want to call them issues, right?

ARIAS: I don`t know. I really don`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t want to call them issues. You just told me that, right?

ARIAS: I didn`t say I don`t want to.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, so you`re -- can we call them issues then?

ARIAS: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You say that you have memory problems, but it depends on the circumstance, right?

ARIAS: That`s right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And give me the factors. I don`t want to know about a specific circumstance. What factors influence your having a memory problem?

ARIAS: Usually, when men like are you screaming at me or grilling me, or someone like Travis doing the same.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that affects your memory problems, right?

ARIAS: It does. It makes my brain scramble.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you`re saying that it`s -- basically, what you`re saying is it`s Mr. Martinez`s fault that you can`t remember things that are going on.

ARIAS: It`s not your fault.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not saying that. You`re saying that, isn`t it?

ARIAS: No, I`m not saying that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there something about a certain decibel of the voice that creates problems?

ARIAS: Decibel, tone, content -- sort of a combination of those factors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here, are you having trouble because the prosecutor is standing?

ARIAS: Having trouble what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are we talking about here?

ARIAS: You`re talking about the truth. I`m talking about memory.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aren`t we talking about answering the questions?

ARIAS: You keep saying truth. I`m referring to memory.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are we, though, basically talking about you answering the questions?

ARIAS: Both regarding answering questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. Isn`t that what we`re talking about?

ARIAS: You keep mentioning truth. I`m not having a problem telling the truth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. But you are having problems answering my questions, right?

ARIAS: I don`t have a problem answering your question if I remember the answer.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So -- but you just told us that you`re having problems answering the questions because of the prosecutor`s posture. Didn`t you tell us that?

ARIAS: That`s not the direct reason, but that`s a trigger.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, that`s what you told us just now, right?

ARIAS: Something to that effect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. And so would you like it if I stood over here, like your counsel`s asking you the questions? Would that make you feel more comfortable?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection, your honor. Improper comment on counsel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sustained. Rephrase.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would it make you feel more comfortable if I stood over here and used the lectern, ma`am?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Next, the controversy surrounding Jodi Arias`s finger.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Jodi Arias`s finger and how it was allegedly broken, something that many legal eagles, including myself, have a problem with -- prosecutor Juan Martinez confronts Jodi Arias about what really happened to that finger.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, ma`am, this was also taken, according to your testimony, on May 15th. Let`s take a look at that -- of 2008. That`s a picture of your left hand, isn`t it?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that shows your ring finger, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember that you testified that on January 22nd of 2008, you and Mr. Alexander were involved in some sort of violent encounter. Do you remember telling us about that?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you told us that during that encounter, he threw you down. Do you remember that?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And while you were down, that he kicked you, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when he kicked you, ma`am, one of the things that happened was that you put up your left hand. Do you remember telling us that?

ARIAS: Yes, both hands.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you told us specifically about your left hand, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when you went to put up your left hand, according to you, he kicked you and he damaged your ring finger on the left hand, correct?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in fact, you even held it up for us, didn`t you.

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it was crooked when you showed it to us, wasn`t it.

ARIAS: It was bent. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s bent. Show us how bent it is again, ma`am. Higher, so we can see it sideways. Ma`am, if he caused that damage on January 22nd of 2008, that would have been before this picture that we have here, which is exhibit number 453. It would have been about five months before that, right?

ARIAS: It was before that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Five months, right?

ARIAS: Four.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four months then, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t have a bent finger here in exhibit 453, do you.

ARIAS: My finger is bent there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re saying that your finger is bent there.

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hold up your finger again, sideways so we can also see it.

ARIAS: When my fingers are straightened, this one stays (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that`s what it looks like, your finger, and you`re saying that`s what happened on January 22nd of 2008, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You demonstrated to Detective Flores that left ring finger, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you told him that this woman, during this attack on June 4th of 2008, cut you right there, didn`t you.

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you showed him -- and the finger, if we look at it there, had the same aspect or had the same angle to it that your finger does now, doesn`t it.

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, the injury to your finger happened on June 4th, 2008, not January 22nd of 2008, did it.

ARIAS: That`s not correct.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Coming up, Jodi Arias describes her final moments with Travis Alexander -- emotions running high.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Tonight, Jodi Arias, the state strikes back. Arias accused of stabbing Travis Alexander 29 times and shooting him, she claims in self- defense. Arias goes on and on in court for more than a week with graphic and disturbing allegations against the victim, Travis Alexander.

You`ve heard Arias tell her side of the story, but now it`s time for Arias on cross-exam. The state strikes back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So he`s standing there and you`re down, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you`re terrified, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened next?

ARIAS: Well, I got the wind knocked out of me and I hit my head, but...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, you hit your head, but you remember everything. Based on what you`re telling us, you still have a good memory of what happened, right?

ARIAS: Up to that point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got the wind knocked out of you, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But even though you got the wind knocked out of you, you still have a good memory of what happened, right?

ARIAS: I don`t know how good it is, but I remember it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You remember it, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) your words. And when you got the wind knocked out of you, that means that you were having difficulty breathing, right?

ARIAS: It hurt. I don`t remember not being able to breathe, it just hurt my ribcage, and my torso hurt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So when you say that you had the wind knocked out of you, that may not be accurate because what you`re really describing is a pain to your midsection, whether it be the ribs or whatever, right?

ARIAS: Yes, it was painful.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was painful is -- that`s not the question. The question is, when you said that you had the wind knocked out of you, that may not be accurate, correct?

ARIAS: I`m not sure, because I`ve had the wind knocked out of me before, only a lot worse than that. So it felt that way, but more it was painful.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you`ve had the wind knocked out of you before. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know what that feels like. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t breathe. That`s why they call it knocking the wind out of you. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you`re telling us then, since you are familiar with having the wind knocked out of you, that you hit your head, you`re down and you can`t breathe. Right?

ARIAS: I`m not saying that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did say that you`ve had the wind knocked out of you. Right.

ARIAS: Worse. Worse than this, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no, no. I`m talking about here. You`re telling us that you had the wind knocked out of you here. Right?

ARIAS: I think it was to a degree, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So even though you`re having this wind knocked out of you, and according to you, you`ve had your head smacked on the floor, you were able to roll to your left. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry, to the left. Correct?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you are clothed at this time. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He does not have any clothing on. Right?

ARIAS: No, he doesn`t.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s angry, though. Right?

ARIAS: Very angry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Extremely angry, right?

ARIAS: I would say that, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you turn to your left to get up. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you turn to your left to get up so you can get away. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have absolutely no problem moving to your left and getting up. Do you?

ARIAS: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you were there.

ARIAS: I just know I did it. And I did it as fast as I could.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he didn`t stop you from doing that. Did he?

ARIAS: I perceived that he was trying to get on top of me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you thought that he was trying to get on top of you. You say you perceived, which means that it may or may not be something that actually happened. So did he get on top of you at that point?

ARIAS: I rolled away before that could happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you rolled away before that could happen means that you`re saying that he then tried to go down to grab you? Is that what you`re saying?

ARIAS: I don`t remember him getting down, but I remember him just coming at me and coming at me and coming at me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. I understand that he`s coming at you, but you`re down on the ground. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So if you`re down on the ground, isn`t he going to have to, by necessity, stoop over?

ARIAS: If he were to get on top of me? Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So was he stooping over? Did you see that?

ARIAS: I don`t know. I just know that he was coming after me and I rolled.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you`re telling us that you have these ideas. But I`m asking you what he actually did. Did he stoop over to get you?

ARIAS: I can only say what was going through my head, not what he actually did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you weren`t looking at what he was doing?

ARIAS: Not after I got my head smacked on the tile, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you weren`t looking at him at that point, no.

ARIAS: Not at that very moment, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So to be there at that point, what he was trying to do -- because you weren`t looking at him, that`s what he was trying to stoop down, it could be that he was trying to help you, pick you up and apologize, right? Based on the fact that you told us you weren`t looking at his face. It could be, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Calls for speculation. No evidence to support that question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled. You may answer.

ARIAS: I can`t say he was stooping down so I don`t even know how to answer that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you said he was trying to get on top of you.

ARIAS: I perceived that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. And perception is your eyes. You`re looking. Hearing. Right?

ARIAS: Part of that is perception.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure. And you`re telling us that hearing and looking, you believe -- or you think, whatever term you want to use, that he was going to get on top of you. Right?

ARIAS: I`m not saying hearing or looking. I`m just saying that was my perception.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So the way you keep backing away from it, it appears that what you`re telling us, it could be that he`s stooping down to help you to get up. Right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Argumentative.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rephrase your question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You tell us that he was going down at some point so that -- causing to you move away. Right?

ARIAS: No. I`m telling you that after I got body slammed, I perceived that he was going to try to get on top of me and I wanted to roll away from the situation and run.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that was your perception, but it wasn`t caused by anything he was doing. It was caused by what he had done before then. That`s what you`re saying.

ARIAS: Certainly by what he had done before, but I don`t know exactly what he was doing right after he slammed me on the tiles.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You weren`t even looking at him. Right?

ARIAS: Not at that point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You get up. Right?

ARIAS: Yes. After rolling, I got up and ran.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. And when you get up, point to me -- are you here? You`re here? Where are you?

ARIAS: Not sure because I didn`t do a full turn. I just rolled and got up. And ran.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you in front of the closet?

ARIAS: Not directly. But --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you right there? Where were you?

ARIAS: I don`t know. I just rolled and I got up and bolted down the hallway.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, this is not the hallway where you went down. Right?

ARIAS: No, that`s not where I ran.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. And in fact, are you saying that you rolled all the way down until you got to the entrance to the hallway?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Asked and answered. She already said she didn`t know where she (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled.

ARIAS: I did not make a full rotation. I just rolled to my side and got up and started running.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So if you`re here and you make a half rotation, then isn`t it true that you would be standing right about here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Mischaracterizes the testimony.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were standing right about here --

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rephrase the question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you standing right about here when you took off running?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. She`s already said she didn`t know where she was.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled.

ARIAS: I really am not sure. I just got up and started running after I rolled to the side.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he was still angry at that time. Right?

ARIAS: Yes, he was still angry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he was still screaming at you? Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ma`am, were you crying when you were shooting him?

ARIAS: I don`t remember.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you crying when you were stabbing him?

ARIAS: I don`t remember.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How about when you cut his throat? Were you crying then?

ARIAS: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, take a look then. You`re the one that did this. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you`re the same individual that lied about all this. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So then take a look at it.

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GRACE: After telling the jury she wanted sex the day she murdered Travis Alexander, Arias comes off the witness stand, down on the floor in front of the jury to re-enact the murder.

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ARIAS: He lunges at me like a linebacker.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He lunges at you and that`s when the gun goes off. Right?

ARIAS: It went off prior to --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Prior to him lunging at you?

ARIAS: No, prior to impacting me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So in other words, he`s lunging at you and is almost on you. And then the weapon, according to you, goes off. Right?

ARIAS: Something like that. He lunged -- he went to lunge as the gun was going off, and then he impacted me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So he`s already moving sort of in the air towards you when the gun goes off. Right? Is that what you`re saying?

ARIAS: Yes. He was moving like for my waist.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he comes toward you. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you keep saying like a linebacker. What does that mean?

ARIAS: Linebackers kind of get down low and crouch, and then they attack, or they -- whatever they do. That`s kind of what it reminded me, he didn`t get down and put his hand on the ground but he got down low and he impacted my torso --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like a bull rather than a linebacker, because he`s got his head down and he`s charging like a bull with his head down. That`s what you`re saying. Right?

ARIAS: Not quite down like that. Maybe in between. That would be accurate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. So he`s in between here. If he`s got his head down, as you tell us that he does, and you say you can`t see his face. That`s what you say. Right?

ARIAS: No. I just don`t remember whether I noticed his face or not. He was just this ball of fury coming at me. And that`s what I remember.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said you couldn`t see his eyes. That`s what you just said. Right?

ARIAS: I don`t remember seeing his eyes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He had his head down. That`s what you said. Right?

ARIAS: He was like -- I can just describe it as like a linebacker unless I get up and act it out, which I would like to not do, if possible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then do it. Go ahead. Show us how he was standing immediately before or how he was sitting or crouching immediately before this happened. You can do it just from there.

ARIAS: He --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no, no. Go ahead and do it. Just stand. Ma`am, if you wouldn`t mind, stand up, go to the left, and show me the posture of Mr. Alexander immediately before he rushed you, according to you.

ARIAS: As he was --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just show me. That`s what I`m asking you to do. Not talk. Show me. Show me the linebacker pose.

ARIAS: He got down --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, show me, show me the linebacker pose. That`s what I`m asking for you to do.

ARIAS: OK. He went like that and he turned his head and grabbed my waist.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just like that. Correct?

ARIAS: Pretty much.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he grabbed your waist. Right?

ARIAS: I can`t say it`s just like that, but that`s what I pretty much--

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, no. I want, without talking, just show me the pose.

ARIAS: He got down like that --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like that? All right. Go ahead and have a seat then.

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GRACE: When we come back, heated and intense testimony from Jodi Arias.

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GRACE: Jodi Arias and prosecutor Juan Martinez battle during her testimony on the stand, at times extremely intense.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exhibit 193. That Mr. Alexander was stabbed. You would acknowledge that. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you would acknowledge that that stabbing was with a knife. Right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And according to your version of events, you would acknowledge that that stabbing was after the shooting, according to you. Right?

ARIAS: I don`t -- yes. I don`t remember.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not asking you if you remember, ma`am. I`m asking if you acknowledge that it would be you that did it. Correct?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you would acknowledge that a lot of the stab wounds -- and if you want, we can count them together, including the ones to the head, were to the back of the head and to the back of the torso. Correct?

ARIAS: OK. I don`t want to count them. I don`t know. Take your word for it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you like to take a look at the photograph?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So if he is being stabbed in the back, would you acknowledge at that point that he`s no threat to you. Right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Calls for speculation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled.

ARIAS: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, if he`s already been shot, according to you, and he`s facing away from you, how could he have possibly been any threat to you?

ARIAS: I could only guess. I don`t know what you`re asking me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, with regard to the -- you were here when the medical examiner testified about the wound to the throat. Do you remember that?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With regard to that wound, ma`am, you would acknowledge that that was, in terms of the stab wounds, you would acknowledge that that was the last wound in the sequence of events.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible) says she does not remember.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Overruled.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How can she acknowledge the sequence of the stabs, that she doesn`t of -- she has no memory of it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That wasn`t the question. Overruled. You may answer the question.

ARIAS: Are you talking about his testimony?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

ARIAS: I disagree with your sequence of events.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you agree that you`re the person who actually slit Mr. Alexander`s throat from ear to ear?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you also agree that you`re the individual that stabbed him in the upper torso?

ARIAS: Yes. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you`re doing all this according to your version of events, you`re doing this to this individual after you have already shot him, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct?

ARIAS: I believe so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, no. Do you remember previously talking to us about how he was coming at you and he was this horrible man with this mean face? Do you remember telling me that?

ARIAS: Yes. I didn`t say he was horrible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Thank you for correcting me, but do you remember telling us that he was a mean man?

ARIAS: Not today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, previously. Previously, you did say that he was a mean man, correct?

ARIAS: I think I did, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And on this particular occasion, you told us that he was cursing at you, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that he threw you down, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That he chased you down, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And this is the individual that you shot first, right?

ARIAS: I didn`t know if I shot him. I just -- the gun went off.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The gun went off, right? You can at least acknowledge that, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is something that you did hear, correct?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, one of the things that we also know is that there was this rope that was involved earlier in the evening or in the day, at 1:00. Do you remember telling us about that at about 1:30?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it involved this sexual interlude with you and Mr. Alexander, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you told us that it went behind the headboard?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The police did not find a rope there. Correct?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You took that rope, didn`t you?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why would you take that rope, ma`am, if you were in the fog (ph)?

ARIAS: I don`t know. I don`t remember taking it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The rope, according to you, didn`t have anything to do with the killing, did it?

ARIAS: No, not that I remember.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, but you acknowledge that there was this rope that was taken, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t you also acknowledge that you were the one that threw it away?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So then you would acknowledge that you`re the person that took it, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And even though you were in this fog, as you call it, you knew, as you`re walking in this fog, to go looking around for this particular rope as you say, right?

ARIAS: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you did say that you did take it, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in fact, you remember where you threw it away, right?

ARIAS: I think it was in a dumpster.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right, you said you threw it away in a dumpster, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, other than it would show that you had been there, ma`am, why take the rope and then get rid of it?

ARIAS: I don`t know. Maybe for that very reason. I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you found that you had some blood on you, correct?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And back then, that was at the time that there was this stop or security check point before Hoover dam, right?

ARIAS: I pulled over before that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. You were not so much in a fog that you didn`t know that the checkpoint existed, right?

ARIAS: I didn`t not know that the checkpoint existed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you just told me that was when the checkpoint was there. Do you remember telling me that just now?

ARIAS: I came to know of its existence when I drove up to it or there was a sign or something.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But conveniently or to your advantage, you stopped the car before you got to the checkpoint, right?

ARIAS: A long time before the checkpoint when I called Brian or texted somebody, or Leslie or someone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So the answer is yes, correct?

ARIAS: Yes.

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GRACE: Next the prosecution powerfully concludes cross-examination of Jodi Arias.

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GRACE: We remember American hero Army veteran, Sergeant Lee Meerworth, 83, Mina (ph), Arkansas, a Korean War POW, Purple Heart, Prisoner of War Medal, U.N. Korean Service Medal, three sons, two daughters, one granddaughter, 11 grands, 19 great grands, and one great, great, great grand. Lee Meerworth, American hero.

Before wrapping up the cross exam, Juan Martinez sprints to a powerful finish. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said I`m innocent. No jury will convict me, right?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whereas when you started this direct examination, your testimony, you said the reason I said that no jury would convict me was because I planned to kill myself, right?

ARIAS: I said I planned to be dead, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because you planned to commit suicide, right?

ARIAS: That is correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those are two different stories, aren`t they?

ARIAS: No. On the stand I explained why I didn`t say suicide as opposed to the alternative, because there was an officer sitting a few feet behind me, and if I had said that, they would have hauled me off to a padded room, stripped me naked, and I would have lived there until whenever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So what you`re saying, even today, that when you say that you`re innocent, that means to you that there`s an officer sitting next to you and you didn`t want him to know that you were going to commit suicide, right? Is that what you`re saying?

ARIAS: When I made that statement.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. When you said innocent, that`s what you equated it with.

ARIAS: Well, definitely innocent of preplanning or whatever you`re trying to--

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I`m not asking about that, I`m asking about the statements. Isn`t it true that the statements are different? That`s all I`m asking you.

ARIAS: Yes. They`re different.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t have anything else, thank you.

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GRACE: Everyone, thank you for being with us tonight. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 o`clock sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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