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Did Jodi Kill Just to Become Famous?

Aired March 22, 2013 - 19:00   ET


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, as we head into the Jodi Arias trial end game, a stunning new theory emerges from just-released interrogation tapes. Could Jodi have planned all of this to get famous?


VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight the secrets of the Jodi Arias police interrogation tapes. As more tape of Jodi being grilled by cops is just released, we learn that, as Jodi is arrested for murder, her first worry is about her makeup as she primps and prepares for her mug shot. Is it possible that Jodi created the salacious evidence -- the naked photos, the raunchy phone sex tapes -- all to become the star of the trial of the century? We`ll break down these tapes and debate it with our expert panel tonight.

JUDGE SHERRY STEPHENS, PRESIDING OVER TRIAL: "How can we be certain that your assessment of Ms. Arias is not based on the lies that she has admittedly made over the years?"

JODI ARIAS, MURDER DEFENDANT: If Travis were here today he would tell you that it wasn`t me.

STEPHENS: "Can you be sure Jodi is not lying to you?"

"Do you feel it is impossible for an individual to fool professionals?"

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My job is to speak for Travis right now. And everything Travis is telling me is that Jodi did this to me.

STEPHENS: "Is there a diagnosis for selective amnesia?"

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it the photos before it happened that you want to see?

ARIAS: I think the photos of after everything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to be careful not showing -- not showing you certain photos.

RICHARD SAMUELS, PSYCHOLOGIST: At some point I actually was considering the diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder, which used to be called multiple personality.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight brand-new secrets uncovered from the just- released Jodi Arias interrogation tapes. Hours coming in. Did Jodi orchestrate everything from the very beginning to grab the national spotlight and become famous?

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell.

The 32-year-old aspiring photographer on trial for stabbing Travis Alexander 29 times, slashing his throat ear to ear and shooting him in the head. But Jodi now claims, "Oh, I did it, but I did it all in self- defense."

Check out this newly-released interrogation tape. From the very moment Jodi first appears on the tape in the interrogation room, Jodi is primping and she is looking for attention. Listen to this.


ARIAS: Oh, this is a really trivial question, and it`s going to reveal how shallow I am. But before they book me, can I clean myself up a little bit?

Could at least have done your makeup, Jodi, gosh.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Could Jodi have been performing for the camera all along, knowing this would spike public interest in her case? Could she have even recorded the now-infamous raunchy phone sex call with Travis, which she recorded less than a month before she killed him, knowing the whole world would eventually hear it?


TRAVIS ALEXANDER, MURDER VICTIM (via phone): Quality camera. And like, the setting that`s perfect. I mean, it could be like legitimate porn.


ALEXANDER: In every sense.

ARIAS: I`m kind of envisioning one like when you`re (EXPLETIVE DELETED) me.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Would Jodi do anything, even taking naked photos for attention? Even committing murder?

Straight out to my expert panel. Let`s debate this unbelievable interrogation tape that just came in and this new theory. OK, Drew Findling for the defense, Joey Jackson for the prosecution.

Joey, what say you?

JOEY JACKSON, ATTORNEY: I know that she`s a pretty smart defendant. But to suggest that she might have otherwise known all of this would occur is even giving her much too much credit.

Her behavior is bizarre. I think it`s just that she`s completely into yourself. Yes, she`s been narcissistic, but I don`t think from the very onset, although she wants and craves attention, that she could have imagined that this would capture the universe as it has now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Findling.

DREW FINDLING, ATTORNEY: Well, I`ve got to tell you, I agree with Joey. I mean, let`s put it into context, Jane. Between the time of these pictures and the time of the killing, there were literally hundreds and hundreds of murder cases in the United States. She could not have anyway forecast that her case would be on nightly news.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, why is she so obsessed with primping for the many TV interviews, national TV interviews she did after being arrested for killing Travis Alexander? Jodi went on a P.R. campaign from behind bars, doing numerous TV interviews: "Inside Edition," "48 Hours" and a local affiliate. Listen to this.


ARIAS: There have been a lot of people that have been speaking out and saying things, you know, on their side, and there isn`t -- this isn`t a two-sided story. This is a multifaceted story. There are many sides to this story, and I just don`t feel like mine has been represented.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And she infamously did her makeup meticulously before each and every interview, and the camera captured it. She also said, famously, no jury will ever convict me.

So Susan Constantine, jury consultant, body language expert. Could Jodi have thought perhaps, "Yes, I`ll do this. I`m going to charm my way out of this predicament. No jury will ever convict me. I will become famous. I will write a book." You know, she is taking copious notes during the trial and she loves to journal, Susan.

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, JURY CONSULTANT: Yes, you know, I think it`s both consciously and unconsciously. When she was wanting to primp herself up, that is showing her shallowness. She`s constantly thinking about what she looks like. She`s concerned about what her impression to other people are. So that part of it I think is conscious.

But then I`m going to go into something I think is more sinister, which means the taping of all these conversations. I really believe that she does have this morbid curiosity. And she`s using these videos for her future terrorism of Travis and to embarrass and humiliate Travis. And she was actually using a lot of these photos, really, for her own self pleasure. I think she got off on listening to those tapes herself.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen to this. Let`s keep in mind, it was less than a month before Jodi killed Travis that she hit record on that very raunchy phone sex tape with Travis. Prosecutors claim she recorded it secretly without telling Travis.

My question is, is it possible that she was already cooking up what prosecutors describe as a very intricate and long-planned plot to murder Travis when she did this? Listen.


ALEXANDER (via phone): The way you moan, baby, it sounds like -- it sounds like you`re this 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm. It`s so hot.

ARIAS: It sounds like -- sounds like what?

ALEXANDER: A 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm. (EXPLETIVE) this hot little girl.

ARIAS: You`re bad. You make me feel so dirty.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: "You make me feel so dirty." Then take a look at her behavior in the interrogation room. Head stand, backbend, singing. Anybody who has watched one episode of "CSI" or "Law & Order" -- in other words, everybody -- knows that cops videotape these interrogations. She knows that.

Is this grandstanding to get attention and increase the likelihood that this case would get lots of news coverage? In her twisted mind could this even be murder as performance art?

I want to go to Shanna Hogan, journalist and author of "Picture Perfect." You know more about this case than anybody else. I`m not saying necessarily this is conscious. But listen, somebody who plots a murder, as prosecutors say she did -- she hasn`t been convicted. We don`t want to convict her. She was plotting it, according to prosecutors, for a long time. Staging a burglary at her grandparents` home to get the gun that prosecutors believe she used to kill Travis Alexander.

If she had the gumption to do that, and only two weeks earlier she`s recording this phone sex call, is it possible on some level she would understand that there`s a good possibility she would be arrested and, "Wow, is this going to make a case that`s going to make me famous" and then fantasize about writing a book about it?

SHANNA HOGAN, JOURNALIST/AUTHOR: I agree with you on many points, Jane. I think that -- I don`t think she committed the murder thinking that she would get caught. I think she wanted to get away with it. So I think she tried to cover her actions.

But once she was arrested and she came to that conclusion, I think she thought, "Let me get as much publicity as possible." She started, you know, primping. She cared very much what people thought about her. And she cared very much how she would be perceived after the arrest. So I absolutely think that she did that for attention.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go to Stacy Kaiser, psychotherapist. Here`s the thing. People don`t have one motive for doing things. People may have six or seven motives. Sure, prosecutors say this was a revenge killing.

But it could also be that she is a person with a narcissistic personality disorder and she wants attention. She -- she can`t get good attention so she`ll go for bad attention. People who want to be famous often settle for infamy. Stacy Kaiser, your thoughts, psychotherapist.

STACY KAISER, PSYCHOTHERAPIST (via phone): I mean, I think she`s fully loaded with personality disorders here, and there`s a lot of enjoyment happening for her.

I also do not believe that she committed the murder seeking fame. But once she knew she was under the watchful eye of both the camera and interrogation room and now the media, she`s really all about putting on a show.

And I do think that she`s completely detached from the fact that she killed someone. And she`s thinking about how she looks and how she can really monopolize on all of this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I think that it`s not like one day somebody wakes up and has five different motives. These things are evolving, consciously and subconsciously, all at the same time. It`s called multi- determined. That`s how a psychologist described where we do something for many different reasons.

Sometimes we tell ourselves, "I`m doing this for one reason," and there`s five other reasons beneath the service that we barely acknowledge to ourselves.

We`re just getting started. I fire a 25 caliber weapon to test Jodi`s theory that, "Oops, the gun just went off by accident." Is that realistic? Check this out.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can you tell us whether or not this gun can just go off like that?




STEPHENS: "Do you feel it is possible for an individual to fool professionals into believing they have suffered post-traumatic stress disorder?"

"You have compared Jodi`s PTSD multiple times to that of police officers and soldiers. Do you think that is a fair comparison?"

"Why didn`t you re-administer the test once Jodi admitted to killing Travis?"

"You seem to have several issues with omitting or forgetting to include information. Do you think that it is important to have an accurate and complete report for a trial like this?"

"How can you say with certainty that she has PTSD if her answers are fictitious?"

"Do you always develop such a fond relationship with the individuals you evaluate?"


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Those are some of the very hostile, even sarcastic questions that were asked of the last defense witness, a defense psychologist who said, "Oh, yes, Jodi had PTSD and went into a fog." And it seemed the jurors didn`t buy it.

Now, there are 18 jurors right now. You`re thinking to yourself, "That doesn`t make sense." Eleven men and seven women. Who of those 18 will make it into the final 12, deciding Jodi`s fate?

Straight out to Jean Casarez. You know, people, we all know enough about jurors that we know there`s 12 jurors. But right now we`ve got 18. How are they going to whittle those six people out to become alternates? And we know who`s asking all the questions and who`s taking all the notes. So that`s got to be pretty fascinating to see how that goes down.

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Definitely. You know how it happens is after closing arguments and the jury is instructed. At that point, right before they start deliberations, they normally in jurisdictions, they just pull the names out of a hat. So it`s -- really you don`t know until the very end.

And the jurors that become the alternates, I understand, will be allowed to go home, but they`re not released just in case something happens. But are those predominantly male now? You never know. It could become half and half, at least when those deliberations begin because those women are going to be strong on that jury when they get in the deliberation room.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, speaking of women, next week Jodi`s defense team is expected to call their final witness, a woman who is an advocate for battered woman.

Now here is this witness, in a photo from the California State Long Beach web site. There she is. Does she hold Jodi`s life in her hands? Some people feel her testimony will actually make a mockery of real victims of domestic violence.

She`s going to argue that, yes, this woman right there, Jodi Arias, was a victim of battering. Of course, the prosecution says, no, she was a very willing participant in S&M and kinky sex games.

So let`s debate it with our expert panel: Joey Jackson for the prosecution, Drew Findling for the defense.

This woman, who is definitely going out on a limb, because a lot of people feel that Jodi Arias has made a mockery of the whole battered woman`s syndrome and is misusing that whole concept. This woman is an actual, real-life advocate for battered women. She`s going to have to make that case. Can she make it, Joey?

JACKSON: Well, I think it`s difficult, and here`s why. Because at the end of the day, we`re talking about self-defense. We`re talking about justification. So no matter the past history, if there were abuse, if there were manipulation, was she justified at that moment of taking his life? Because if you just say that she felt abused and manipulated, then you could construe it, Jane, as revenge. And that`s a crime.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Findling.

FINDLING: Jane, let me tell you what she`s going to have to establish, and it`s going to be pretty interesting. Generally, in this field, the expert must establish there were three parts of the relationship: the tension stage, the explosion, the violent stage, and the contrition. She`s going to have to surgically look at this relationship as only given to her by the patient and say the relationship fits in these categories with other incidents, and that may be difficult.

And the crescendo`s going to be, Jane, she`s going to have to testify that the primary motivation here, OK, by Jodi Arias was fear and not anger. That`s the key element to making battered woman syndrome work with justification, as Joey said, or self-defense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And fear with I don`t know how many stab wounds to Travis Alexander`s back, something like nine. I don`t know if they can make that case.

More debate on the other side. And we`re taking your calls.


ARIAS (singing): It might change my memory.

SAMUELS: If the memories aren`t there, they ain`t there.

She did suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder.

Shortness of breath, or the heart begins to pound.

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, JODI`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: She`s admitted that she`s the one who killed Travis.

SAMUELS: We`ve encouraged her to reveal the truth.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Months after Travis Alexander was murdered there was still clear evidence of the savage attack that took place here. Evidence that was gathered during an intensive crime scene investigation, which included the discovery of a bloody palm print right here.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: And take a look at this "48 Hours" video that shows us, really, all the work, first of all, that investigators did. I mean, all that dark patch, that -- they dusted that whole area. They Luminoled those areas. This is the actual home of Travis Alexander.

And of course there have been many reenactments that have been staged. And we here at HLN have done several. We built a replica of Travis Alexander`s bedroom and bathroom.

And we show that the attack starts, according to Jodi, anyway, in the bathroom and then goes into the shower. Then she runs down the hallway, she claims, and into the closet. Then she grabs the gun from the top shelf, runs out the other door and points the gun at Travis. As he goes for her the gun goes off.

Look at all this. I want to go to Jean Casarez. I think the prosecution in the Casey Anthony case made a big mistake not taking the jurors to the crime scene. When I saw the crime scene in the Casey Anthony case I understood the case for the first time in my bones. How close the little girl`s body was from the home.

Did they make a mistake, do you think, not taking these jurors to Travis Alexander`s home?

CASAREZ: You know, I think that you have such a valid point here. I have heard that new people bought the home, are living in the home. They redid the bathroom, so it`s completely different. If so, then I can see why they`re not going to that home.

But I think to go to the scene, to see it as it was, I think it`s invaluable. But we don`t know that either side ever requested anything like that. And there have been nothing -- no props at all -- that have been brought into that courtroom. They could have built a bathroom scene. They could have done that to scale.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, sometimes, Shanna Hogan, it seems to me that -- first of all, I think the prosecution is doing an excellent job. Don`t get me wrong. But sometimes you get so immersed in the case you don`t see the big picture. I`ve seen so many closing arguments where the prosecutor knows so much about the case that they don`t just tell the headline.

And I really feel somehow, to have gone to that home, even if it had been redone, it would have given them a sense, put them there at the scene of the crime. Do you think it would have been a good idea?

HOGAN: You know, too, in Arizona we have a lot of track homes. That was a very well-known builder in Arizona. So that floor plan is widely available. It could have been a different home that had that same closet where you can go through the closet or out the other bathroom.

I think it would have given jurors an indication that 62 seconds is not enough time to do what she said that she did: to go into the closet; to jump up and grab that gun and make it back in the other end; and actually end up taking a photo of him as he`s bleeding on the floor. So I think it would have been invaluable, too.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I think that there`s something to be said, again. The way people perceive information and absorb information is not always linear. It`s not always rational. Sometimes you`ve got to feel it.

I remember Casey Anthony, when I drove down to the Anthony home and then I drove around the block in less than 50 seconds and was right there where little Caylee`s body was found. I said, "Aha, it`s right in their backyard."

On the other side, I fire a .25-caliber to test Jodi`s claim that, "Oops, the gun just went off."



ARIAS: He was like, "You know, Travis is dating."

And I said, "OK. And I assumed he was, you know, going on dates and things."

He`s like, "No, he`s really trying to date."

And I said, "OK."

And he`s like, "He`s desperate to get married."

So that night, you know, I confronted him about it. And we had a big fight. It was also -- a bunch of things were thrown in the mix together.

SHEPHERD: "Would it be fair to say you were upset he was taking another woman to Cancun?"

ARIAS: No. I was not upset. I was not upset at all, actually.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So she contradicts herself. On the interrogation stage tape, she says, "Oh, I am jealous. We fought." And then on the witness stand, she says no.

And here are some of her rivals for Travis Alexander`s affection. Travis was going to take another woman to Cancun on vacation, and he was seeing the blond you just saw there, Lisa Andrews, around the same time that he was with Jodi.

So both of these women are devoted Mormons. They say they abided by the law of chastity in their relationship with Travis, and prosecutors say this is the motive for murder.

Shanna Hogan, author of "Picture Perfect," a book about this case, you`ve got some new information for us. Your sources are telling you that Jodi went to desperate measures to get Travis to commit to her exclusively and even made up a story about a stalker she had? Tell us.

HOGAN: Yes. In the beginning of their relationship, Jodi was very, very fixated on Travis. And she did lots of things to try and make him jealous and try and get him interested and try to get him to commit.

And at one point, she actually received a mysterious, anonymous e-mail from a male stalker that was saying that "Travis doesn`t deserve you. I want you. I will have you. Travis is too far away to protect you."

And immediately, Travis`s friends are thinking, "This is Jodi who has done this. She`s trying to get you to commit, Travis." But he didn`t see it at the time. He thought there`s no way she would do something like that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So that`s outrageous. Not only is she, according to Travis`s friends, stalking Travis for real, slashing his tires, sending e- mail to women he`s dating, warning them not to "lay" with Travis, peeping into his home. You`re telling me that she also made up a fake stalker, a fictional stalker that was fictionally stalking her to make him feel like, "Oh, I`ve got to protect you. Come live with me." Basically, right?

HOGAN: Absolutely. And this is kind of a theme that re-occurs throughout her life. People are constantly sending anonymous e-mails even in jail. Someone is sending these anonymous pedophile letters to protect her to get her off this murder charge.

So, you know, it`s kind of a pattern that she repeats. It was, you know, Lisa Andrews getting these stalker e-mails and her creating a stalker in her life so that she seemed more desirable and Travis would commit to her. And coincidentally just a few weeks after that e-mail arrived, Travis actually did commit to her and they started out their relationship.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what you`re describing, if it`s true is absolutely diabolical behavior. But the jury isn`t hearing any of that. That`s very important.

Now, Jodi is insisting in front of the jury, oh, I didn`t mean to shoot Travis. Jodi claims the gun just went off when Travis lunged at her after she dropped his new camera. So I went to a firearms academy and asked a gun expert at the New Jersey Firearms Academy if a gun can just go off without you meaning it to.

Take a look.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can you tell us whether or not this gun can just go off like that?

LATEIF DICKERSON, DIRECTOR, NEW JERSEY FIREARMS ACADEMY: Ok, the gun will not go off unless the trigger is pulled.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: He was lunging at me, the gun went off. I didn`t mean to shoot him.

DICKERSON: A gun can`t just go off. But there is a thing called the sympathetic reflex that if I have a gun on my hand and my finger is on the trigger -- I may not realize my finger is on the trigger. But if I`m startled, I can jump and that twitch or that reflex there can cause the gun off without me realizing that I was putting pressure on the trigger.

Some guns have safety. Some don`t. Some have long triggers. Some have very short and very light triggers.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: If there was a safety on the gun, it wouldn`t be easy for it to accidentally move into position.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: That we have just determined because I had a very hard time moving the safety.

DICKERSON: Some guns don`t have hammers. But this particular one does. When a hammer`s cocked and you pull the trigger -- the hammer`s cocked and the safety`s on. So this is considered cocked and locked. So when you squeeze the trigger nothing happens because the safety is on. When you take the safety off, now the gun is ready to fire.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s not like I`m talking to you and oh -- I have to make a conscious effort.

DICKERSON: The hammer`s cocked --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, ok. That`s a lot easier.

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: That`s when you shot him in the face, right?

ARIAS: Yes, that`s when the gun went off.

MARTINEZ: No. You keep saying the gun went off. The gun was in your hand, right?


MARTINEZ: In your hands. Actually the way you demonstrated was in both hands, right?

ARIAS: Right.

MARTINEZ: And you were pointing it at him, right.

ARIAS: Yes, I did point it at him.

DICKERSON: We don`t know the condition of the gun and anything the (inaudible) can fill. So we don`t rely on safeties and there have been guns where the safety has been on -- I`ve seen them and the gun could still fire. So it depends on the condition of the gun and the model of the gun. There`s a lot of factors involved.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There`s so many variables. The safety could be on, the hammer could be cocked and it depends on the make and model. Ok.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So let`s debate it with our expert panel. She claims she grabbed Travis` gun and oh, it just went off. If it had the safety on, forget it. You can`t just go off if you have the safety on. If it`s not cocked, if it`s uncocked you have to really squeeze hard. I found that out myself. If it is cocked it can go off.

But what`s the likelihood that he left a cocked gun sitting on the shelf? And let`s start with Joey Jackson.

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Not too likely. First of all Jane, great demonstration -- nice of you to get there and actually be there and try it. But I think the biggest issue that the defense has to overcome is her memory. Why? Everything that she remembers that assists her story, right, it`s chapter and verse. To the issues that harm her, she doesn`t remember, she doesn`t recall. The gun just went off. I don`t remember stabbing him. And that`s not credible. So when it gets to the issue of not being credible the jury is going to say, you know what, that`s just too self serving for me -- guilty. You know what happened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Findling. DREW FINDLING, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, as forensically accurate as that was -- and it was a great demonstration -- it`s still going to come down to the next witness, Jane. Even though the gun is involved we`re going to have the expert that`s probably going to say that she was in so much fear at the time that she would do anything. Whether it was to cock the gun, pull the gun with the required amount of pressure, stab over and over again -- it`s all really going to come down to, as you pointed out a few minutes ago, the next witness.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the devil is in details. And having held a .25 in my hand, I could tell you that I couldn`t get the safety off. I needed help so forget that. If it`s uncocked it really takes a very strong squeeze. We`re the same height, by the way. And it would only be feasible if that gun was already cocked. And who is leaving a cocked gun sitting on the shelf?

All right. I`m just saying.

Let`s go out to Selin Darkalstanian, my producer who has been in Phoenix for this whole trial. You have some new information just in. What do you have, Selin?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN SENIOR PRODUCER: Jane, it`s unbelievable. We learned from our sources that Travis Alexander was supposed to take Jodi to Cancun -- that her name was on that trip. Remember he could take a companion with him. He had Jodi`s name and he switched the name to Mimi Hall. Mimi Hall was the other woman who took the stand who he ended up wanting to take to Cancun.

So this is big breaking news. We never knew that originally Jodi was supposed to go on the trip, but her name was switched to Mimi Hall, which gives even more credibility to the fact that she was extremely jealous and pissed off that she was not going to Cancun.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Susan Constantine, jury consultant, this is huge news. Because she has testified, oh, I didn`t really care. Oh, I thought he was taking a babysitter to Cancun. I didn`t know he was taking this rival, Mimi Hall, this Mormon woman to Cancun. Now we`re hearing she was originally supposed to go to Cancun, and he changed the ticket.

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, JURY CONSULTANT: Yes. You know what, there is anger. In fact, you know, when we listen to her earlier and you remember the long pause that she had that she was jealous. That long pause then that very curt, "No, I wasn`t, not at all." So what she was really saying just with her voice in itself is that she was very angry. And this only adds more fuel to the fire of why she did what she did in killing Travis because she wanted to be in the plane and she didn`t want the other girl to be there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Selin I have to ask you. Why didn`t the prosecution bring this up? To me this is the most compelling evidence, if true that, oh my gosh. She`s furious that she`s taking another woman because she was originally set to go. Why wouldn`t they bring that up?

DARKALSTANIAN: Jane, as we have seen in this trial the journalists and media have found out more information and a lot of details that we wonder, why wasn`t this shown or why wasn`t this played? Why wasn`t this video shown in court? This is yet another detail that the media has uncovered. And, you know, that the attorneys have not brought up. So who knows?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side we`re going to debate this breaking news. Was Jodi supposed to go with him to Cancun? Was she yanked off the trip? Is that why she killed him?


ESTEBAN FLORES, POLICE DETECTIVE: What is it you want to know about the photos? Do you want to see the room? Do you want to see the bathroom or do you want to see him or is it the photos before it happened that you want to see?

ARIAS: I think the photos of after everything.

FLORES: I won`t show you those. I won`t, I mean not in good conscious. I can`t do that.




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ARIAS: You know what I really like is when we were in the bath with the candles and I had the braids.


ARIAS: I know. Those are hot.

ALEXANDER: I`m going to tie you to a tree and put it in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) all the way.

ARIAS: Oh my gosh. That is so debasing. I like it.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: The infamous sex tape. And now we have breaking news from our own senior producer Selin Darkalstanian. Tell us again what you just learned because this is major.

DARKALSTANIAN: Jane, we`ve learned that Travis Alexander was originally supposed to take Jodi on that trip to Cancun the day -- before he died. He was supposed to take Jodi in April he changed the name to Mimi Hall on the ticket and (inaudible) his mind. April is when she moved back to Yreka, California.

So you have to wonder what happened that he was going to take her. He switched the name. He was taking another girl now, and did that infuriate her even more that she was the one that was supposed to be going on that trip.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s debate it. Joey Jackson for the prosecution, why wouldn`t the prosecution mention that in the first five minutes of this case? It seems to go right to motive for murder.

JACKSON: Well, it certainly is compelling. Of course, the defense would want to keep it out as being unduly prejudicial. But in this case, Jane, I don`t think it hurts their ultimate objective which is to get a conviction. Why? Because there`s so many other evidence, so much other information that when you think about it and evaluate it, you don`t need any more motive to establish murder and death.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, yes you do. As we heard with Casey Anthony when you hear, oh, we didn`t feel we needed that piece of evidence. Oh, yes you did.

Drew Findling.

FINDLING: Jane, let me tell you, I`m going to give the prosecution the benefit of the doubt. Here`s the word -- admissibility. We can hear this and we can hear that but whether or not it`s going to be admissible.

Where did this information come from? Is it hearsay? Does it fit into an exception? I`m going to give the benefit of the doubt they analyzed this and it`s just inadmissible.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know. If indeed he was planning on taking Jodi Arias and then he changes he mind and takes another girl and then she kills him and then he doesn`t go to Cancun because she killed him, to me it`s open and shut relevant. Susan Constantine.

CONSTANTINE: Well, you know, as far as it being -- I don`t think it`s really irrelevant information. I think anything in this case is relevant. But based on --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Am I losing my mind? Is this -- am I losing my mind. He kills her -- I mean she kills him. He can`t go to Cancun. And we find out that the person who killed him was supposed to go to Cancun with him and he took her off. I can`t think of anything more relevant. I mean -- I can`t.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m sorry. I misunderstood you. I misunderstood. Yes, most definitely it`s relevant. Because you know, this is like a woman that`s being scorned. She was planning on going. She probably had the ticket. She`s already probably packed her suitcase, picked out her clothes, her makeup and her hair and everything was all going to be done. And guess what happens. He cuts her out of the loop. He takes another woman and that infuriates her. And that`s what I think started to propel a lot of this --


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Got to leave it right there. Hell hath no worry like a woman scorned. Thank you fantastic panel.

We`ll be right back with more.


ARIAS: Should have at least done your makeup, Jodi, gosh.




VELEZ-MITCHELL: Time for Pet of the Day. Send your pet pics to Lola -- her name was Lola. She was a show dog. Noah -- Noah says I`m happy and I`m on grass. That`s where I like to be. And Foxy Roxy -- oh my gosh, you are adorable. I love that name. And I love Valentino`s bow tie, tres chic, you know. Yes, you`re very, very stylish. We love you all.





VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh yes, she is laughing but the cost of the trial not a laughing matter. 36 days of court so far -- the cost of this marathon trial sky rocketing. The bill just for Jodi`s defense team is already over $800,000 and counting. It is coming right out of the pockets of taxpayers in Maricopa County, Arizona. This does not include the prosecution cost or the cost of the sheriff`s department which investigated and eventually arrested her.

And by the way here is the moment of arrest.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here`s your shoes; why don`t you go ahead and put those on? Turn around. Stop right there and just turn around. Put your hands behind your back.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Findling for the defense -- $800,000 for the defense so far. Some cynics might say maybe that is why the defense team keeps dragging on these questions and keeping these defense witnesses on the stand for so long day after day. They are making money by the hour.

FINDLING: It has nothing to do with the defense team. It has to do with the state of Arizona has a 7.9 percent unemployment rate. It has the third worst mortgage -- excuse me -- foreclosure rate in the country and yes, the prosecution has decided to go for the death penalty.

This would have been a ten-day trial but for the death penalty. The decision was made by the prosecutor. But then again, put it in this context. Jeff Ashton lost and wrote a book and became a very wealthy man. Marsha Clark lost in O.J. Simpson in a death penalty case and became a wealthy woman. Prosecutors have learned, declare death, stay on trial for three months; win or lose you become wealthy.

People of Arizona should think about that if this jury comes back without death in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Christine, North Carolina, quick question or thought?

CHRISTINE, NORTH CAROLINA (via telephone): I`m going to make this as quick as I can, Jane. I am a mental health advocate and I also have PTSD. I have anxiety disorder and a borderline personality disorder. I have done a lot of studying for the last few days to get this call into you. Jodi Arias does not fit the criteria of --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. We have to leave it right there. And you -- somebody who has it says if you spot it you got it and she isn`t spotting it. Thank you fantastic panel.

On the other side you`re just going to have to wait and see.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hey little Rico, do you know that the U.S. government has declared war on America`s wolves and our "Animal Investigation`s Unit" has learned that animal lovers are now fighting back with a lawsuit and you can help. Wolves are distant cousins of dogs like little Rico here and yet they`re being slaughtered.

Last year the gray wolf was officially taken off the endangered species list in Wyoming. That means more than 250 gray wolves living outside Yellowstone National Park are now fair game for trophy hunters. Already in less than six months at least 50 wolves have been gunned down or trapped and killed in a way that is now totally legal. Look at these beautiful animals. Even a beautiful famous alpha female was killed when she ventured outside Yellowstone, a favorite of all the tourists. Everybody knew her and loved her.

The state of Wyoming says it plans to keep gray wolves alive outside of Yellowstone. Critics say that is a way of saying they are going to allow over 100 to be slaughtered. Well, now the Humane Society of the United States is fighting for the wolves; marching into court with a lawsuit to stop the slaughter and you can help.

Michael Markarian of the HSUS, tell us about the Humane Society and the fund for animal`s battle to put the gray wolves back on the endangered species list. But first of all, why is Uncle Sam declaring war on America`s wolves? It seems crazy to me.

MICHAEL MARKARIAN, HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES: Well Jane, it just does not make sense to spend decades and to spend tens of millions of dollars helping these wolves come back from the brink of extinction just to turn around and allow the very same practices that decimated their numbers in the first place.

Hundreds of wolves are being killed. About half the population of wolves in the northern Rockies has been killed using painful steel-jaw leg- hold traps, hound-hunting of wolves, chasing them with dogs, causing fights between dogs and wolves -- this is not a victory for wolves. This is a massacre.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here is our government`s side of the story. The U.S. Fish and Wild Life Services, they removed Wyoming`s wolves from the endangered species list. Quote, "The return of the Wolf to the Northern Rocky Mountains is a major success story and reflects the remarkable work of states, tribes and our many partners to bring this iconic species back from the brink of extinction. We`re confident the Wyoming population will sustain its recovery under the management plan Wyoming will implement."

That seems like (inaudible) Big Brother talk. Let`s spend millions of dollars saving a species and now let`s just start wiping them out again. What can Americans do Michael to stop this?

MARKARIAN: Well, Jane, hundreds of wolves have been killed in Montana, in Idaho, in Minnesota, Wisconsin. But in the state of Michigan citizens are taking this issue into their own hands. We are gathering signatures to place a measure on the ballot in Michigan to stop wolf hunting. There are fewer than 700 wolves in that state and it`s going to be the Michigan voters not the politicians who will decide whether these animals will be killed with painful and pointless trophy hunting.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So go to Get involved. These wolves cannot speak for themselves.

I will follow your lawsuit and I hope that this lawsuit does -- look at this. Look at this. Is this a fair fight -- a guy with a gun in a helicopter versus an animal that can`t speak?

Americans are decent people. And Rico I think you are going to stand up for the wolves. Shame on the U.S. government for doing this -- really, wasting our tax dollars.

Nancy`s next.