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AROUND THE WORLD
SEALs Dispute who Shot Bin Laden; Supreme Court Hears Arguments on DOMA; Edith Windsor Speaks to Press; Teacher Killed in Pakistan; Invisibility Cloak Closer to Reality
Aired March 27, 2013 - 12:30 ET
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Brian Todd explains.
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They spent about 40 minutes on the ground, but it was what happened in a crucial few seconds that's now in dispute among the Navy SEALs who killed Osama bin laden.
Recently a former SEAL, identifying himself only as the shooter, told "Esquire" magazine he was the man who fired the kill shots.
This animation lays out his description to "Esquire."
Three SEALs move to the third floor of the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. After the point man intercepts two women in the hallway, the shooter moves into a bedroom.
By his account there's a gun within bin Laden's reach. As he tells Phil Bronstein in "Esquire," the shooter fires three rounds at bin Laden.
PHIL BRONSTEIN, CENTER FOR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING: And he shot him once in the forehead and another time in the forehead and he was going down. And then a third time in the forehead when he was at the foot of his bed, obviously probably already dead.
TODD: But another SEAL who's part of SEAL Team 6, which executed the raid, now tells CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen this.
PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: The account in the "Esquire" piece is inaccurate. It was not the shooter that's described in that article who killed bin Laden. It was, in fact, the point man who fired the first shot at Osama bin laden and hit him in the head.
TODD: This animation shows that version.
The SEAL tells Bergen, three men up the stairs. The point man fires from the area of the stairs as bin Laden's peering out the door of the bedroom. That's the first shot that hits him.
Bin Laden's gravely wounded. The point man bundles the two women aside.
BERGEN: And then two SEALs came in, one of them the shooter, and finished bin Laden off on the floor.
TODD: That's consistent with the account of former SEAL, Matt Bissonette, who wrote the book, "No Easy Day," under the pseudonym, Mark Owen.
Bissonette was one of the three SEALs on that third floor with bin Laden. Here's what he told CBS's "60 Minutes."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So after Osama bin laden is wounded, he's still moving, you shot him twice?
MATT BISSONETTE, FORMER NAVY SEAL: A handful of times.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A handful of times and the SEAL in the stack behind you also shot Osama bin Laden and at that point his body was still?
TODD: Why should we believe the SEAL who spoke to you and Bissonette and not the guy who spoke to "Esquire" who was also right there?
BERGEN: You know, I did a little bit of digging around with present and former SEAL Team 6 members and they say that, on balance, they found Bissonette to be a more credible person than the shooter in "Esquire."
TODD: John McGuire who served for 10 years as a SEAL says this.
JOHN MCGUIRE, FORMER SEAL: It is possible that someone's not sure who got the target. I find it unlikely.
I do think that the guy who did make the shot, you'll never know because he's going to take it to his grave.
TODD: Indeed, current and former members of the SEAL Team 6 say the point man who might have fired the shot that mortally wounded bin Laden will likely never speak about it.
A U.S. official with details of the raid tells CNN Peter Bergen's account of how bin Laden was killed is in line with what happened.
"Esquire" magazine sent CNN a statement saying its story is well sourced and it stands by it.
Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.
MALVEAUX: Interesting none of them are supposed to be speaking about any of this.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: You said this when it happened. They take this to their grave.
MALVEAUX: Yes, it's all out there now. HOLMES: Not so much anymore.
Well, what is the world's most dangerous city? You might be surprised. We'll tell you after the break.
HOLMES: Well, it's not a war zone, but it is one of the deadliest cities. For the second year in a row, San Pedro Sula in Honduras is the world's murder capital.
MALVEAUX: One of the biggest problems is the drug cartels.
Rafael Romo shows us they are terrorizing residents, and they're also hurting businesses as well.
RAFAEL ROMO, CNN SENIOR LATIN AFFAIRS EDITOR: Soldiers rush to the scene. A report of shots fired was issued and there's no time to waste.
Upon arriving, they learn one of their own is on the ground, seriously wounded. One of the attackers is dead and three others have been shot.
CARLOS ROLANDO DISCUA, HONDURAN ARMY COMMANDER (via translator): They didn't even say a word. They just pulled their weapons and started shooting at our soldiers.
ROMO: Commander Carlos Rolando Discua is in charge of an army unit patrolling the streets of San Pedro Sula in northwestern Honduras.
For the second year in a row the city of 700,000 is the world's murder capital, an average of more than three people are killed here every day.
MIGDONIA AYESTAS, NATIONAL UNIVERSITY OF HONDURAS (via translator): San Pedro Sula is the Honduran city with the largest number of homicides in 2012. There were 1,290 homicides in total, most in the city itself, and 20 percent in the surrounding rural areas.
ROMO: The number of violent deaths in San Pedro Sula is 170-per- 100,000 residents. That puts the murder rate of the second largest city in Honduras at the top of the list of the 50 deadliest cities around the world, followed by the Mexican beach resort of Acapulco with almost 143, and Caracas, the Venezuelan capital at just under 119.
Five U.S. cities are on the list, including New Orleans, but the study does not include cities in the Middle East.
Here's San Pedro Sula's problem. Experts say Mexico's offensive against drug cartels and the U.S.'s active deportation of criminal immigrants are pushing the problem south.
They've ended up in Honduras where, like most Central American countries, law enforcement has few resources to fight them.
Back in San Pedro Sula, businesses are complaining. The title of world's murder capital is hurting the bottom line, they say, and it's also undeserved.
LUIS LARACH, SAN PEDRO SULA BUSINESSMAN (via translator): All of the crimes that happen in northern Honduras are registered as happening here, so what we businessmen are doing is an accurate count to determine where crime or violent deaths originate so that the information is truthful.
ROMO: But the University of Honduras says they have not included murders occurred outside San Pedro Sula, even when bodies are taken to the same morgue.
Honduran authorities launched "Operation Lightning." Hot spots are saturated with police and soldiers.
There's more security now, says this woman, and that gives us peace.
But so far it seems the measures taken have had little impact on the murder rate.
HOLMES: And Rafael joins us now to talk about this.
I suppose you can't really compare to somewhere like Syria where you've got a war going on, so those aren't included in this list, right?
ROMO: Well, as they say the devil is in the details.
The methodology is very specific. They're only including cities that have over 300,000 people and also they're not taking into account certain military operations.
The other thing is that they're only ...
HOLMES: Rafael, we've got to interrupt you there, unfortunately.
We've been waiting to hear from Edith Windsor who's speaking outside the Supreme Curt. Let's go there.
(BEGIN LIVE FEED)
EDITH WINDSOR, DOMA OPPONENT: We lived together for 40 years. We were engaged with a circle diamond pin because I wouldn't wear a ring because I was still in the closet, OK.
I am today an "out" lesbian, OK, who just sued the United States of America, which is kind of overwhelming for me.
When my beautiful, sparkling Thea died four years ago, I was overcome with grief. Within a month, I was hospitalized with a heart attack, and that's kind of common. It's usually looked at as broken-heart syndrome.
In the midst of my grief, I realized that the federal government was treating us as strangers, and I paid a humongous estate tax. And it meant selling a lot of stuff to do it. And it wasn't easy. I live on a fixed income, and it wasn't easy.
Many people ask me why get married? I was 77. She was 75. OK. Maybe we were older than that at that point, but the fact is that everybody treated it different.
Turns out marriage is different. OK. And I've asked a number of long-range couples -- gay couples who they got married. I've asked them, you know, was it different the next morning? And the answer is always, yes, it's a huge difference.
When our marriage appeared in "The New York Times," we heard from literally hundreds of people, little playmates and schoolmates and colleagues and friends and relatives all congratulating us and sending love because we were married.
So it's a magic word for anybody who doesn't understand why we wanted and why we need, OK, it is magic.
I guess the only other thing we did win in the lower courts. Today is like a spectacular event for me, I mean, a lifetime kind of event.
And I know that the spirit of my late spouse is right here watching and listening and would be very proud and happy of where we've come to.
Thank you all.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Miss Windsor, what was going through your mind as you sat in the courtroom today?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Edie, what was going through your mind ...
WINDSOR: I felt very serious, very serious. And listening carefully, I had things on. I'm halfway deaf, but I had things on so I heard every word and I really paid attention.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you think it went in there?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you think it went?
WINDSOR: I can't hear you now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you think it went?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did it go?
WINDSOR: I'm not hearing.
Oh, how did it go? I think it was great. I think it went beautifully.
I thought the justices were gentle, if that's the word I want. OK, they were certain. They were direct. They asked all the right questions.
But I still didn't feel any hostility, OK, or any sense of inferiority, you know, what do these people want.
I mean, I felt we were very respected, and I think it's going to be good.
(END LIVE FEED)
HOLMES: Edith Windsor there, the lady at the center of this case before the Supreme Court.
MALVEAUX: Says, you know, she had heart-broken -- broken-heart syndrome after her partner died. And the two of them saying she was 77-years-old when they got married.
HOLMES: How could they resist her? I mean, yeah.
MALVEAUX: She was inside the Supreme Court when she heard those arguments, said it wasn't hostile.
HOLMES: Yeah. What an experience she's gone through. And that's what's at the heart of this case, that $350,000 she had to pay in estate taxes that a heterosexual married couple would not.
All right, we'll take a break. Be right back.
HOLMES: Welcome back.
In Pakistan today, outrage after a teacher was shot and killed on her way to an all girls school where she worked. The latest attack aimed at keeping girls from getting educated.
MALVEAUX: The teacher's death has led to a petition demanding more government protection for girls and teachers. The case brought back memories, of course, of the assassination attempt last year against Malala Yousafzai. She was the young champion of girls' education.
HOLMES: Nic Robertson is in Islamabad.
Nic, fill us in on what happened and the investigation. Arrests have been made, but do they know anymore about who was behind this?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Michael, you know what, the more we learn about this right now, the more tragic it becomes. Shahnaz Nazil, 41 years old. She'd been a teacher for 24 years. She decided to take her young son to school with her. And her son told us what happened.
They'd just got off the bus near the school. They were walking towards the school. And he said a motorbike approached from behind. Two Taliban on it. One of them, he said, without warning, without saying anything, just fired three shots at them. And he said that first shot he felt and saw the -- his mother's blood hit him and she fell down. He said she was shot in the head. They fired three shots again and then said they were going to fire at him. He ran away and came back a little bit later when the Taliban had gone to find his mother dying in front of him. Something a young child should never see. This young boy, one can only imagine how that's going to affect him in the coming days and weeks, Michael.
But the police say that they have arrested 18 people. There has been no claim of responsibility. But this is directly in line with what the Taliban have been doing, trying to intimidate young girls from going to school and teachers from teaching them, Michael.
MALVEAUX: And, Nic, I mean it sounds so similar to what we heard before. Malala, that schoolgirl who was shot in the head, she was also targeted by the Taliban. She is trying to do something. And there really is this worldwide movement to at least call attention to this problem here. She's asked the U.N. for some sort of help. Is there anything that is happening to protect these young girl who are just trying to get an education?
ROBERTSON: Well, what she's doing here, signing this petition that the U.N. has, she's the first person to sign it and it puts pressure on Pakistan's president. And the petition says that the president should provide safety and security for girls and their teachers who want their rights to be able to go to school. I sat down earlier on today with Pakistan's first ever female foreign minister. She's just out of office. And I asked her if the government was really doing enough to help these young girls.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HINA RABBANI KHAR, FORMER FOREIGN MINISTER OF PAKISTAN: (INAUDIBLE) Pakistan (INAUDIBLE) any group which is violent, which uses violence as means to prove their strength or their gender, I feel that what the people's government was able to do very well was, first of all, contract (ph) completely the ideological space for these people to exist. So we said that the fact that there are American troops in Afghanistan or that, you know (ph), Pakistan is assisting the international community in any way is no reason for anyone to be attacking our girls, to be attacking our schools, to be attacking a mosque. And these people are not really religious groups. These are just criminal elements.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
ROBERTSON: So what the government says they actually think they're shrinking this sort of area that the Taliban can operate in. The teacher's husband told us that actually it's the teachers that are on the run. They were at another school -- she was at another school with other teachers in the same tribal region, a semi autonomous tribal region, and they were forced to flee that school because militants came around. It was too unsafe. Their government moved them to the school where she was shot today. And he said, look, the government's not providing any security for the teachers. It's just not good enough.
Michael and Suzanne.
HOLMES: It's just amazing that more isn't being done to protect them.
Nic, thanks so much. Nic Robertson there in Islamabad.
MALVEAUX: Coming up next hour, financial expert Suze Orman answering your questions. So if you were looking to pay off debt or save up for a home, whatever you are hoping to ask her about, just tweet me your questions. She'll be answering some of them in the next hour. So, go ahead and tweet @suzannemalveaux.
HOLMES: Plus, it is like a scene out of "Harry Potter." And it is a step closer to reality. We're talking about a real life cloak of visibility. That's up, next.
MALVEAUX: This is like a scene out of "Harry Potter." Scientists in Texas are getting close to making things invisible. Supposedly an invisibility cloak.
MALVEAUX: I think it's a great idea.
HOLMES: We'll explain why we're laughing in a minute. Have a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
RUPERT GRINT, ACTOR, "HARRY POTTER": What is it?
DANIEL RADCLIFFE, ACTOR, "HARRY POTTER": Some kind of cloak.
GRINT: Well, let's see then. Put it on. Whoa!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MALVEAUX: All right. So, Chad, to explain whether or not this really works or not, right?
CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Not like that. No. No. And that was like what we used to do when we were doing weather on the green screen.
MALVEAUX: Oh, yes, that was cool. MYERS: What he did, he was in front of a Chroma key. He had the same colored cloak on, probably green at the time.
MYERS: Put it over himself. Then he became invisible. No, there's a new cloaking device, a new almost way to do this now. But it's making something that we can't see invisible. Did I bury the lead?
HOLMES: So (INAUDIBLE).
MALVEAUX: Yes, tell us.
MYERS: Let me show you this graphic. This is a little rod that scientists have now made disappear to the microwave wavelength. Something we can't see anyway. When you look at your microwave when you turn it on --
MYERS: You can't see the beams going around.
HOLMES: Oh, right. OK. Yes.
MYERS: But when they turn this machine on now, little copper wires going back and forth in diagonals, they can block the microwave signal from getting into the microwave sensor.
MYERS: So, now, this is not visible. So we can't even show you it disappearing because it doesn't really disappear unless you have a microwave visibility. So maybe Superman could see it.
HOLMES: What's the practical implication?
MALVEAUX: Yes, what's the point?
HOLMES: Yes, what's the point?
MYERS: It's the first step.
MYERS: You know, when they put the horse in front of the cart, then they put an engine in the cart and then they made a car. This is just getting the horse in front, trying to get wavelengths to disappear. They're only working right now on microwaves, but they're going to get to the invisible --
MALVEAUX: Could it happen? I mean could we get to the point where --
MYERS: Oh, absolutely. I think so.
HOLMES: And applications wise. I'm thinking military will be in on that.
MYERS: You got -- that's the first one, of course.
HOLMES: Yes. Right.
MYERS: And something, if you have a microwave spectrometer and you're trying to look at something and you can make something be invisible, especially if you're trying to make somebody invisible in a building or in a safe house, just someone trying to look in, then there might be other applications too.
MALVEAUX: All right.
HOLMES: And, Suz, you're thinking of more fun things, aren't you?
MALVEAUX: I am.
HOLMES: Yes, you are.
MALVEAUX: If you want we could do it tomorrow. We could show how you do the Chroma key thing.
HOLMES: Oh, yes, we could do --
MALVEAUX: You can I could like simply disappear, right?
HOLMES: I always annoy the guys on Fridays when I do the headlines down at CNN International. I have to do it in front of the weather wall. I always forget and I wear blue and they get so mad at me because my whole body disappears.
MALVEAUX: Right. It disappears. All you have is the tie.
HOLMES: But we digress.
MYERS: Yes, well --
HOLMES: Chad Myers, good to see you.
MYERS: I have a tie on.
MALVEAUX: Always fun stuff. Yes.
MALVEAUX: The world's most expensive penthouse. OK, pretty cool, yes.
HOLMES: Yes, very nice.
MALVEAUX: An infinity pool, water slide, all this stuff.
HOLMES: Sounds like your place. Yes.
MALVEAUX: Yes. Not really. HOLMES: Not that I would know.
MALVEAUX: We're going to show you the pictures up next.
HOLMES: Welcome back.
Well, Monaco, as you would know, a playground for the rich and the famous, like yourself.
MALVEAUX: Oh, you think you think. All right. So this tiny principality on France's Mediterranean coast proving once again its richness. Want to check out this spectacular penthouse. Reports say that it's going to go on the market next year along with dozens of other luxury apartments. So, check it out.
HOLMES: Yes. They're drawing at the moment. It hasn't been built yet.
HOLMES: But when it is built, about 13,000 square feet. Yes, yes, it is like your place. It's got its own private water slide, infinity pool. And guess what? Price tag, as much as $326 million.
MALVEAUX: It would make it actually the world's most expensive penthouse ever. And, yes, stop saying it's like my house, because I don't want people showing up at my front door.
HOLMES: To go on the -- to go on the water slide. Yes, all right.
I got to go. I'm out of time. I'm going to get yelled at again. Thanks for watching AROUND THE WORLD. We'll see you tomorrow.
MALVEAUX: All right.
HOLMES: You will carry on.
MALVEAUX: Yes. You're going to disappear.
HOLMES: Down the water slide.
MALVEAUX: All right. Thank you, Michael.
Day two of arguments over same-sex marriage. The Supreme Court weighing in on a federal law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.