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North Korean Threat; Dental Danger; Interview With Pervez Musharraf; Catholic Campus Condom Controversy; Supreme Court Weighs Same-Sex Marriage
Aired March 29, 2013 - 18:00 ET
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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Florida Gulf Coast, of course, is this year's March Madness Cinderella team. We will be watching the game tonight.
Happening now: North Korea's strong man reveals his secret plan for attacking the United States mainland. This hour, we have the photos, the maps and his shocking targets.
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: And thousands of dental patients start rushing to get tested for HIV and hepatitis as sickening details emerge about the office where they may have been infected.
BLITZER: Also, a fugitive and a convicted rapist finally nabbed after, get this, three decades. You're going to find out how police caught him hiding in plain sight.
BOLDUAN: Amazing. I'm Kate Bolduan.
We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. You're in THE SITUATION ROOM.
In North Korea right now, it's North Korea's most specific threat yet against the United States after a week of brazen taunts and rising tensions.
BOLDUAN: Strong man Kim Jong-un spelled out his potential targets on a map shown during an emergency meeting with his generals. You're seeing it there, one of those targets, Austin, Texas. Yes, Texas. It's raising the question, should the U.S. military take Kim Jong-un seriously?
BLITZER: Let's bring in our Pentagon correspondent Chris Lawrence. He's doing some serious reporting on this.
What are you hearing, Chris? CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, a lot of people in Texas right now have to be wondering, how in the world did we end up on any sort of target list with a bullseye?
U.S. officials aren't concerned about Austin, but they are very worried about this escalating rhetoric.
LAWRENCE (voice-over): Look past the picture of Kim Jong-un putting North Korean rockets on standby inside his military command. There's a chart marked, U.S. mainland strike plan, with missile trails aiming at Hawaii, California, D.C., and for some reason, Austin, Texas.
It's wishful thinking on Pyongyang's part. They can't reach the U.S. yet. But tens of thousands of American troops are well within range of a more limited strike, something short of an all-out attack.
CHRISTOPHER HILL, FORMER ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE: I think it's more in the sense of North Korea kind of getting right up to the edge, stumbling and then falling over the edge.
LAWRENCE: Former Ambassador Chris Hill says the real danger is the North shelling a border island, like it did in 2010. Hill says there's a wild card here that worries the U.S., young inexperienced Kim Jong-un's desire to prove himself as a leader.
HILL: Because I think there are many North Koreans who have their doubts about whether this kid is really up to this.
LAWRENCE: So far, Pentagon officials say the North's rhetoric has not been matched by any actual military moves. But it has no foreseeable endgame, and could go on for a while.
North Koreans protested on the streets one day after the U.S. flew long-range stealth bombers on a training run, coming within 50 miles of North Korea's border. Some say although the flights may reassure South Korea of U.S. protection, it could lead to unintended consequences.
JOHN PARK, HARVARD UNIVERSITY: One, China viewing this as alarming escalation, and the second is that the North Koreans almost receive a validation in terms of their missile development program.
LAWRENCE: A defense official tells us there was intense debate on whether to send those B-2s all the way up to the White House in the senior levels of the National Security Council. He says they considered a full range of options, with some suggesting the U.S. do more than just fly that B-2, and others suggesting it should do less -- Wolf.
BLITZER: What about Austin, Texas? Why Austin, Texas? Any analysis on that front? LAWRENCE: No one knows, Wolf. The local officials there, the regional intelligence officials say they have been in touch with the federal government, just in case.
But some folks in Austin are sort of having a little bit of fun with this. They came out with a top 10 list of reasons North Korea would want to bomb Austin, everything from a hipster apocalypse to the fact that Kim Jong-un may be a little jealous of Rick Perry's desire to rule forever as a beloved leader.
BLITZER: At least they're having a little fun with that. Chris, thank you.
BOLDUAN: Now to Oklahoma, where thousands of dental patients may have been exposed to HIV and hepatitis. This is a story we have been following since yesterday evening. We're learning more about the dentist's office that's being described as a perfect storm for dangerous infections and hearing from a patient at risk.
CNN national correspondent Susan Candiotti is in Tulsa for us this evening.
Susan, these details scare anyone.
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Oh, yes. Well, imagine, Kate, imagine being one of 7,000 patients who might be infected with HIV or hepatitis after a trip to the dentist.
I mean, authorities here are calling Dr. Scott Harrington a menace to public health, his procedures allegedly so bad that they can't get over it. So, imagine, no wonder so many people are worried.
CANDIOTTI (voice-over): Not many people jump for joy when it's time to go to the dentist. Colton Scott now has more reasons than others to are nervous about his dentist. Scott said he had his wisdom teeth removed last year by Dr. Harrington and just found out he may have contracted an infectious disease during the extraction.
His mom and two other relatives went there, too.
COLTON SCOTT, PATIENT: That's the last thing in the world that you're going to think in getting your wisdom teeth taken out, that you're going to be exposed to HIV or hepatitis. That's just something that never would have crossed my mind in a million years.
CANDIOTTI: His dentist, Dr. Scott Harrington, came under suspicion after a different patient was diagnosed with HIV and hepatitis C. Investigators for Oklahoma's Board of Dentistry traced the source to Harrington's office. They said what they found was enough to turn their stomachs. SUSAN ROGERS, OKLAHOMA BOARD OF DENTISTRY: We were just physically sick. That's how bad. And I have seen a lot of bad stuff over the years.
CANDIOTTI: Inspectors came up with so much bad stuff, they filed 17 violations which include allegations Harrington was using expired drugs. One vial was dated 1993. Also, even though he used morphine until 2012, none has been delivered since 2009, failing to test sterilizing equipment called an autoclave. It is supposed to be tested monthly, but apparently wasn't for six years.
Unlicensed dental assistants administering sedation, risking contamination by reinserting needles into the same vial. And get this, using rusty instruments inside a patient's mouth.
ROGERS: The instruments that came out of the autoclave were horrible. I wouldn't let my nephews play with them out in the dirt. They were horrible. They had rust on them.
CANDIOTTI: The conditions so questionable, patients need to be tested now. And on Saturday, here at the Tulsa Health Department, free screenings will begin for hepatitis B, C and HIV.
DR. KRISTY BRADLEY, OKLAHOMA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH: As many persons who may be infected with these blood-borne viruses may be infected for years without experiencing any signs of illness.
CANDIOTTI: A scary possibility. Dr. Harrington has seen at least 7,000 patients since 2007. There are many more, but records only go back that far. CNN has been unable to reach the doctor or his lawyer. He has not been charged with a crime, but officials say he has surrendered his dental license. Colton Scott is nervous.
SCOTT: Yes, we're all very concerned, and, you know, apprehensive.
CANDIOTTI: Now, the risk of exposure is said to be rather low. And it's important to keep in mind that in 36 years, authorities say that Dr. Harrington has a clean record. But remember, his specialty involves oral surgery and extractions. So a lot of his patients are very nervous.
That's why the Health Department wants to get these health screenings under way as soon as possible. But the test results are going to take two to three weeks. And that's going to be a very nervous waiting time. Two to three weeks, imagine. A lot of people will be waiting to exhale.
BOLDUAN: Dealing with the shock of what they're hearing, this news they're hearing from their dentist office today.
Susan Candiotti in Tulsa, thanks so much, Susan. UPS is paying a price for shipping illegal medications today. The parcel service will give up $40 million it got from online pharmacies selling drugs without valid prescriptions. In an agreement with prosecutors, UPS also will take steps to help curb the sale and shipment of drugs sold through illegal Internet pharmacies.
BLITZER: Another Wall Street moneyman now facing serious charges in a widening investigation of what's called insider trading. Top hedge fund manager Michael Steinberg was arrested at his Park Avenue home today.
We're joined by CNN business correspondent Zain Asher. She's got the details.
What happened, Zain?
ZAIN ASHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Wolf.
Michael Steinberg is one of the more senior people at SAC Capital to be arrested over insider trading. The SEC typically starts with the more junior people and then slowly work their way up the food chain. The big question now is, are the feds slowly starting to zero in on the mogul and billionaire that heads the company, Steven A. Cohen himself?
ASHER (voice-over): On a day that started at his Park Avenue home in handcuffs, Michael Steinberg left court free on $3 million bail.
QUESTION: Any comment?
ASHER: The Wall Street trader at SAC Capital is accused of insider trading, illegally using inside information to make $6 million for his company.
Did greed get the better of him? Steinberg pleaded not guilty and his lawyer says he did nothing wrong.
TOM AJAMIE, FINANCIAL FRAUD LAWYER: Michael Steinberg is part of the inner circle with Steve Cohen, who is one of the richest men in the world.
CANDIOTTI: Steven A. Cohen the founder and namesake of SAC capital. He hasn't been charged, though investigators have been looking at him closely. So far, nine people have been arrested at his firm.
Earlier this month, the company agreed to pay more than $600 million in a government settlement, the largest in history. The judge still hasn't decided if he should accept it.
AJAMIE: The government's now just one step away from Mr. Steve Cohen, if the government thinks that they have a case against him. CANDIOTTI: But Cohen's lavish lifestyle continues. Within days of the settlement, he bought this Picasso for $155 million, one of the most expensive art sales ever, and reportedly a new mansion on the beach.
AJAMIE: Perhaps Mr. Cohen has things normal in his life, or perhaps he's feeling some stress, but he wants to convey to the public that everything's OK, so he goes and spends $150 million on a painting and tens of millions of dollars on a mansion in the Hamptons.
ASHER: The fact that the firm agreed to a $600 million settlement has even the judge asking, well, why would they agree to pay such a large amount if they have done nothing wrong? The firm said they just want to close the chapter on this.
But it appears this saga may drag on for quite some time -- Wolf.
BLITZER: I suspect it will. Zain, thank you very much.
Up next, how a longtime fugitive escaped capture, even started a new life, until now. He's asking police how they found him.
And American civilians on Syria's front lines, it's a reality that could become all too familiar.
BOLDUAN: A convicted rapist lived in freedom for three decades, even marrying and settling down in Maine. But finally police caught up with the man that Massachusetts says was one of its most dangerous and wanted fugitives.
CNN's Mary Snow has been following this.
It's an incredible story, Mary.
MARY SNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It really is, Kate.
And it really shocked just about everyone. It was a search took the police across the country over the years. Just before the arrest, detectives had even gone to Florida to pursue a lead. But Wednesday night, their trail took them to an unassuming home outside Portland, Maine.
SNOW (voice-over): This is the man police say eluded them for 34 years with countless tips going nowhere. Gary Allen Irving, they say, went on the lam in 1978 after being convicted of raping three young women. He took off after a judge postponed his sentencing and gave him a weekend to collect his things.
This had been the last known photo police had of Irving. He became one of Massachusetts's most wanted fugitives. That changed Wednesday when police showed up at his house in Maine. They found him hiding in plain sight with his name on the door. Authorities say they found the 52-year-old Irving watching TV with his wife and grandchild and asked officers, how did you find me?
SGT. ROBERT BURKE, MASSACHUSETTS STATE POLICE: His wife appeared like she was in a state of shock. She was very cooperative, seemed to be a very nice lady. And for all intents and purposes, they seemed to be a nice couple that were just living here in downtown Gorham.
SNOW: Inside the home, police say they found several guns. Irving had slightly altered his name, using Greg, instead of Gary, and changed his birth date. Neighbors noticed nothing remarkable.
PATRICIA NIXON, NEIGHBOR: He was always pleasant and nice. I always liked him. You never know who's living next door, I guess.
SNOW: Irving lived with his wife and family roughly 130 miles from where the terrifying attacks happened.
MICHAEL MORRISSEY, NORFOLK DISTRICT ATTORNEY: An individual is hiding in the bushes, and grabbing people at night, dragging them into the bushes and raping them.
SNOW: Norfolk County District Attorney Michael Morrissey, who is prosecuting the case, wouldn't specify what led police to Maine after all these years. He said the case heated up in the last three to four months and credits good old-fashioned police work, and he said victims had been notified of Irving's arrest.
MORRISSEY: One of the victims had said to the victim advocate who works on the case is, they were extremely relieved to finally realize that this person had been and will be put behind bars and facing sentencing.
SNOW: Now, authorities in both Maine and Massachusetts say they plan to use DNA analysis and reexamine unresolved cases to see whether there are any links to more -- Kate.
BOLDUAN: Amazing to think of those victims who have been dealing with this now for 34 years. And, finally, they may get some justice. Mary, thanks so much.
BLITZER: We also have new details in a story that you saw first right here in THE SITUATION ROOM. A U.S. Army veteran indicted for allegedly conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction while fighting with rebels in Syria.
Now we're finding out several Americans may be thinking of joining that fight as well.
CNN's foreign affairs correspondent, Jill Dougherty, is in Baltimore with the story for us.
What's the latest, Jill? JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, one of the concerns, and, Wolf, you know this very well, the situation in Syria is very chaotic.
And among the rebels who are fighting against the government, there are also some members of terrorist organizations. So U.S. officials are concerned that this could become a recruitment tool for terrorist organizations.
DOUGHERTY (voice-over): Matthew VanDyke just came back from Syria. He was making a film in support of the rebels fighting against President Bashar al-Assad.
MATTHEW VANDYKE, FILMMAKER: Yes, I'm wanted by the regime. There's also security threats even on our own side. It's a very dangerous situation. But I will be going back.
DOUGHERTY: VanDyke has fought before with the rebels in Libya. He shows me his Libyan military card. He searched as infantryman and heavy machine gunner.
VANDYKE: I believe in self-determination. I believe people should be able to choose their own leaders.
DOUGHERTY: It's believed some Americans have joined the fight. Though nobody can say how many, one, Eric Harroun, was charged this week for fighting against the Syrian government on the side of a designated terrorist group, al-Nusra.
While the U.S. wants Assad out, it doesn't want Syria to become a recruitment tool for jihadists.
GEORGE LITTLE, PENTAGON SPOKESMAN: It's always a concern when terrorist networks in that part of the world, or elsewhere, seek to recruit Americans, whether they're in the military or not.
DOUGHERTY (on camera): Do you know any other Americans who are fighting in Syria?
VANDYKE: I don't know of any. I have been contacted by a lot. I have received 20 to 30 e-mails from Americans who want to go fight in Syria. Most of them are ex-military, and of them most of them are ex-Marines. They sort of want me to form an international brigade and take them to Syria. But it's not something I'm interested in doing.
DOUGHERTY: VanDyke says Harroun's belief system is not the same as his.
VANDYKE: I was not running around with a terrorist organization, very big difference.
DOUGHERTY: In Syria, he says, he encountered al-Nusra fighters and saw their access to weapons and ammunition. VANDYKE: If they keep shooting in the right direction at Assad's forces, it doesn't bother me too much. I don't have any relationship with them whatsoever.
This is the lock off my prison cell.
DOUGHERTY: In Baltimore, where he lives, Matthew VanDyke looks at the lock that secured the door to the prison cell in Libya where he spent nearly six months. Will he risk it again in Syria?
VANDYKE: I will probably fight in Syria before the war's over.
DOUGHERTY: So, why would some Americans want to fight in Syria? Well, VanDyke says some are ex-military, some are thrill-seekers, and still others are Syrian-Americans who want to fight for the freedom of their country -- Wolf.
BLITZER: Jill Dougherty with that story. I expect we will be getting a lot more in the days and weeks to come. Thanks very much.
BOLDUAN: Still ahead, we have new information about Nelson Mandela's condition. As you know, he's been ailing. The latest how he's doing in the hospital ahead.
And a very different story, no condoms on campus -- why one college is saying no.
BLITZER: Up next: a shoe hurled at the former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf. I will ask him about that, as well as the death threats against him. My exclusive interview with the former Pakistani president who is now back in Pakistan, that is next.
BLITZER: Happening now: a huge insult to a former president, a shoe thrown at Pervez Musharraf. I will ask him about that, also about his dangerous return to Pakistan -- my exclusive interview with him coming up.
BOLDUAN: And condom controversy -- safe sex vs. religious values at a major university.
BLITZER: Also, a March Madness power couple. We are going to speak to the coach of the tournament's Cinderella team and his model wife.
BOLDUAN: I'm Kate Bolduan.
BLITZER: I'm Wolf Blitzer. And you're in THE SITUATION ROOM.
BOLDUAN: A disgraced former president now back home after years in exile, now facing criminal charges.
BLITZER: All right, stand by for my exclusive interview with Pervez Musharraf. He's in Pakistan right now just hours after appearing in court.
But, first, a look at his return, the threats against his life, and the insults being thrown his way.
BLITZER (voice-over): Pervez Musharraf says he's come home to Pakistan to clear his name, run for president again, and in his words, save the country. His return has prompted celebrations and protests, including a shoe hurled at him on his way to court today.
Before he left for Pakistan, Musharraf told me he was willing to risk imprisonment and even death.
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF, FORMER PRESIDENT, PAKISTAN: You have to take that amount of risk if you want to move forward in a certain direction that you have set yourself for.
BLITZER: Once a crucial ally of the United States in the war on terror, Musharraf has been a wanted man since fleeing Pakistan nearly five years ago after his fall from power and his refusal to answer the allegations against him.
The 69-year-old former president faces all sorts of charges, including illegally detaining judges and their families. He's also accused of not doing enough to protect former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, who was assassinated in 2007.
Now, Musharraf's own life is in danger.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pervez Musharraf, you can see this death squad around me.
BLITZER: Just before his return, Taliban militants in Pakistan posted a video, openly threatening to send a death squad to kill him.
(on camera): And the former president of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf, is joining us now from Karachi.
Mr. President, some of the reports out today said a bystander hurled a shoe at you as you were heading into the court. The crowd, at least some members of the crowd obviously angry with you. Tell us what happened.
MUSHARRAF: Mainly, the crowd were supporters. They were surrounding me. Mainly the crowd was cheering for me. There was some loyals (ph), who were against me, but they were overpowered by my supporters. The support, the slogans, the sloganeering (ph) and outside, was all in my support.
BLITZER: Did the shoe actually get close to you? Did it hit you? MUSHARRAF: No. I didn't even see it. I didn't even see it. There was nothing that hit me. Later on, I was told that somebody hurled something. But nothing of that sort was visible (ph).
But later on they told me, those around me, there were hundreds of people who are my supporters. I think later on I was told that the man was really overpowered and he got a thorough beating or something. But I don't know who threw what. I didn't know at all.
BLITZER: How worried are you, Mr. President, about your personal safety? How worried are you, bottom line, for your life right now?
MUSHARRAF: Well, there is a security concern, there's no doubt. But the security that I've been provided here, I think more, I've been telling them, it's too much of security, too many people when I move around. Too much of -- I think the security certainly is more than I expected.
BLITZER: The Pakistani Taliban, as you know, they've declared that they are sending what they call a death squad to kill you. There was a bombing today in northwest Pakistan. How seriously do you take this threat of a death squad out to get you from the Pakistani Taliban?
MUSHARRAF: Wolf, I need to take it very seriously that they have sent a death squad. But if you remember, I've been suffering these threats these 12 years, after 9/11, all along. All along the threats of death.
BLITZER: No second thoughts on your part; you did the right thing as far as you're concerned? You're now in Pakistan. Are you saying that you did the right thing, right?
MUSHARRAF: Well, I think I did. Other than politics, this is my country. And I know that there's no case against me. I know that all the cases are trumped-up, politicized cases. So I tell myself, what am I staying outside? What for? Why shouldn't I go back to my country and be free to travel around the world?
There's a peculiar (ph) gnawing inside my heart, that there's nothing wrong that I did, and yet being accused of things that maybe others have done and they are trying to put the blame on me.
But let me fight it out. Let right prevail. Let truth prevail. And let not lies and falsehood be victorious against truth.
BLITZER: Is most of the security around you people that you personally have hired, or government-provided security?
MUSHARRAF: The government is supposed to provide security to all ex-presidents and ex-prime ministers. In fact, the latest Lebanese (ph) group by -- (UNINTELLIGIBLE) group by the government, even to retired ministers.
So I expect, certainly, to have security, as written down according to the rules in Pakistan. And I think until now, I have been provided that security. I don't have anything against that.
BLITZER: You appeared before the justice today in the courtroom. You're a former president of Pakistan. How humiliating was this for you? What was it like to be in this courtroom, hearing -- hearing these charges read against you today?
MUSHARRAF: Well, it was -- this is the first time, Wolf, that I ever entered a courtroom in my life. And if I was to be very frank with you on my feelings, if you want to know my feelings, the first feeling when I stand up for the judge when he entered which was the norm -- the norm which I had to follow, I felt -- I did feel a little -- somehow a little insulted, a little humiliated.
But then I started thinking to myself that I have been saying that law -- everyone is equal in the eyes of law. So I thought to myself, well, I have been saying this. The law applies to me also. So maybe, would be upset for other -- that you yourself got involved.
BLITZER: The justices, they granted you a bail extension, that you're obviously, you don't have to go into jail right now, but if you wanted to, would you be allowed during this legal proceeding to leave the country, to go back to London or Dubai, for example?
MUSHARRAF: Well, I can leave the country anytime. I have been given bail before arrest, for 15 days and 21 days. That is what the government is (ph).
BLITZER: Do you trust the judicial system there? You're obviously out on bail right now. But what would happen if they were to throw you in jail?
MUSHARRAF: Well, one has to face all the consequences. I know, my conviction is that there is nothing against me. And there were arrest warrants that were issued, Wolf, for my nonappearance in the court.
Now when I appeared on the cases in the court, there shouldn't be a reason for my arrest. And we should proceed with the cases.
And as far as the cases are concerned, they are politicized and there's nothing against me. From all points -- from any point of view, there is nothing against me. So therefore, with that conviction, I'll face the courts.
BLITZER: President Musharraf, thanks very much for joining us. Hopefully, we'll stay in close touch in the coming days.
MUSHARRAF: Thank you very much, Wolf. I look forward to it.
BLITZER: I told him before he left Washington, to go back, that I suspect he's going to wind up in jail or worse. He said, "If that's the will of God, that's the will of God."
BOLDUAN: Let's hope not. Great interview, though, Wolf. Still coming up, a university just says no to students handing out condoms on campus. You'll find out why.
And also, CNN's interview with a former supermodel and her head coach husband of America's Cinderella team.
BLITZER: A clash between same-sex and religious values at a major Catholic university. Students in Boston College have been told by the school to stop handing out condoms. Our senior medical correspondent, Elizabeth Cohen, is in Boston.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, Catholic doctrine doesn't support contraception, but for some Boston College students, that teaching isn't resonating.
(voice-over): Boston College, a deeply Catholic institution, where crosses don't go well with condoms.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Male condoms, female condoms.
COHEN: Senior Lizzie Jekanowski has organized a condom distribution network on public street corners and in dorm rooms marked with the Safe Site symbol. "If you're in need of condoms, you may knock on one of these doors and just ask," the group's Web site says.
LIZZIE JEKANOWSKI, STUDENT, BOSTON COLLEGE: We go through almost 2,000 condoms every semester for students that need them. It is very much an important need here.
COHEN: And that is getting these students in trouble.
(on camera): Boston College sent this letter to the students, demanding that they stop distributing condoms here. The letter said it isn't in concert with the mission of Boston College as a Catholic and Jesuit university. "And if you don't stop," they said, "there could be disciplinary action."
(voice-over): Jack Dunn is a spokesman for Boston College.
(on camera): You know that students here are having sex.
JACK DUNN, SPOKESMAN, BOSTON COLLEGE: Right. And if students want to purchase condoms, and they want to have them available for their private lives, that's their business. Our issue is, don't try to publicly distribute condoms on our church stems, on our campus, and through our dormitories.
COHEN: He says even he was approached while coming out of a church service.
DUNN: A student from this group attempted to hand me a condom. And it was inappropriate. And I told them, I said, "Really? Do you really need to do that?"
COHEN: But Jekanowski said the group has never distributed on campus except in dorm rooms.
This isn't the first high-profile condom dispute on a Catholic campus. In 2009, the "Boston Globe" reported Stone Hill College in Massachusetts confiscated condoms that were being handed out for free in dormitories.
Dunn says he hopes to sit down and work this all out when students come back to campus after Easter break.
But Jekanowski doesn't seem to be in a mood to talk. She says this is a health issue, stopping unwanted pregnancies and sexually- transmitted diseases, and even if B.C. threatens to yank her diploma this spring, she won't stop.
JEKANOWSKI: The work that we are doing is invaluable. And that will not compromise what we're doing in any way.
COHEN (on camera): The Boston College spokesman said if the students distributing condoms had just been more discreet, this never would have happened.
Plus, he said this is Boston. There are plenty of places to get condoms. Students don't have to get them here on campus -- Wolf.
BLITZER: Elizabeth Cohen in Boston for us. Interesting story.
BOLDUAN: Very interesting. Not over yet.
BLITZER: We probably won't find out the U.S. Supreme Court's decision on the same-sex marriage cases it heard this week at least until June, probably the end of June.
BOLDUAN: Probably the end of June. But conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh says it doesn't matter what the Supreme Court decides.
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RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: This issue is lost. I don't care what the Supreme Court does. This is now inevitable. Once we started talking about gay marriage, traditional marriage, opposite- sex marriage, same-sex marriage, hetero-marriage, we lost. It was over. It was just a matter of time.
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BOLDUAN: The political reality is personified in the legal odd couple at the center of one of these cases. Attorneys David Boies and Ted Olson spoke to our chief political analyst, Gloria Borger. Gloria is here.
Gloria, you've been working really hard on this big piece. It's a documentary. So tell our viewers, why did these two join forces?
GLORIA BORGER, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: You know, after they fought against each other in Bush versus Gore in the year 2000, decided that election, they became really good friends. And Ted Olson, the conservative, was first called for this case. Then he picked up the phone, and he called his friend, David Boies. And listen to what David said to me about it.
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DAVID BOIES, ATTORNEY: In the very beginning, there was a curiosity factor.
BORGER: The odd couple?
BOIES: The odd couple getting together. Which I think actually served us well. Because what -- this is an issue in which, if you pay attention to the issue, if you think about the issue, I think you can only come out one way.
The challenge sometimes is to get people to think about the issue. And I think that one of the things that the kind of novelty odd couple status did was attracted people to listen to us in the first place. And to begin to think about this issue in ways that they hadn't thought about it before.
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BORGER: So it was really great public relations, obviously. And they want this to be seen as a bipartisan issue. It was quite good for fundraising for them, because these kinds of cases are very expensive to mount, particularly when you have those two lawyers. I can't imagine what their hourly fees are.
BLITZER: Two of the best lawyers in the country. But the political odd couple, if you will, on the same side this time.
BOLDUAN: Still so hard to tell how they're going to decide. We'll find out in June.
BORGER: We'll find out in June.
BOLDUAN: Gloria, thanks so much.
You can catch Gloria's great documentary, as I mentioned, "THE MARRIAGE WARRIORS: SHOWDOWN AT THE SUPREME COURT." It airs tomorrow night, 7:30 Eastern, right here on CNN.
BLITZER: We'll all be watching.
And up next, the power couple at the center of a Cinderella story: the coach of Florida Gulf Coast University and his wife. They'll be here. They're joining us to talk about March Madness.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BLITZER: The team that shocked the entire country twice is at it again later tonight. Florida Gulf Coast University takes on its intrastate big brother, the University of Florida, in the Sweet 16 over at the NCAA tournament.
BOLDUAN: Amazing. The players aren't the only part of this amazing story. Gulf Coast coach and his wife, who's a former model -- everyone seems to not forget that part -- has also captured the nation's attention. The couple sat down with CNN sports anchor Rachel Nichols.
RACHEL NICHOLS, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: You guys, actually, it sounds like have the NCAA tournament to thank for your entire marriage. Is that right?
AMANDA HARCUM ENFIELD, ANDY ENFIELD'S WIFE: You could say that, yes. Yes. I -- I was going up to Boston to see Oklahoma State play in the tournament. And instead of flying, my friend I was going with knew Andy, and he -- we found out he was driving. So we just bummed a ride, and here we are.
NICHOLS: He was a cheap ride?
AMANDA ENFIELD: He was a cheap ride. I didn't have to pay for that one.
NICHOLS: No? You didn't make her pay for gas or anything like that?
ANDY ENFIELD, COACH, FLORIDA GULF COAST UNIVERSITY: No, I was happy to pick that tab up.
NICHOLS: Your first date, I heard, was basketball as well. And you went for the smooth move of also taking her to Taco Bell? Come on, I've got to ask you, what were you thinking?
ANDY ENFIELD: I figured if it was meant to be, she wouldn't mind eating a burrito. What did you have? A soft taco?
AMANDA ENFIELD: I think it was a soft taco. But I -- it's so long ago now. Three kids later, it's hard to remember.
NICHOLS: And you were a successful model. What did your modeling career mean to you at that point?
AMANDA ENFIELD: Well, it was -- I loved it. It was a great experience. I got to travel and meet amazing people. And kind of, I guess, you could say it helped me meet Andy. And, you know, I enjoyed it.
NICHOLS: So that, of course, begs the question: what made you decide to give it up to become a coach's wife?
AMANDA ENFIELD: Well, I love basketball, and we have that in common. And we wanted to have kids. We wanted to -- he wanted to get back into coaching full time. I loved the idea. And it was just good timing when I was about to have my daughter, when I had her.
NICHOLS: So have you thought about, sort of I know you're in the middle of all these things, but there has been so much attention on your family. I'm sure people have given, you know, you guys a lot of opportunities and people approaching you. Have you thought about going back into modeling? Have you thought about anything else you guys want to do?
AMANDA ENFIELD: Right now, I think what's just on our minds so much really, at least mine, is the team and what they've -- what they've accomplished. And I don't think I really have time to think about that. And right now, I just want -- I want to be a mom and take my kids to the games.
BOLDUAN: And joining us now is CNN's new sports anchor, Rachael Nichols -- Nichols, in Washington to cover the awesome NCAA tournament.
So when you see this part of the interview, Rachael, you do get the sense, maybe not surprisingly, that they're a little uncomfortable with the limelight.
NICHOLS: Well, I think one of the things he's the most uncomfortable with is he has this beautiful wife. He's got three kids and, yes, he likes the fact that she had a successful modeling career. But as he put it to me, you know, she used to model a lot of clothes, too. That she did the runways of Paris, and she did hair commercials. It wasn't just that she was in "Maxim" magazine in bikini shots.
BOLDUAN: You know how the Internet works. Those are the most searched photos.
NICHOLS: Yes. That's what comes up. And I asked him. I said, "Look, Andy, you're a college coach. You've got a lot of teenage hormonal boys who play for you. You know how Google search works. How do you handle that?"
And he said, "You just kind of laugh it off, and it's OK." And they know Amanda, of course, is the woman that you saw in that interview. So she seems a little more down to earth than that. But I'm sure his players, they don't mind who's rooting for them in the stands. Let's put it that way.
BLITZER: How are the kids doing with all this attention?
NICHOLS: I think they like it. It's going to be so interesting to see how they go into this game tonight. Right? Because it's one thing when you're the little tiny school, and there's all these schools in the tournament. No one's really paying attention to you. And you win your first game and that's nice. But still, you know, it's only 48 hours until the next game, and there's all this other stuff going on.
Then, all of a sudden, you get out of that first weekend, and the media descends. And the school holds pep rallies. And everyone's giving you more attention than you've ever had in your entire life. And the school you're about to play knows that you're coming now. And they know to expect you. It's going to be interesting to see how those kids handle it going onto that court.
BOLDUAN: I mean, I -- we all love a Cinderella story. But when you look at kind of what they're up against in the coming game or games, do you think they can continue this run?
NICHOLS: It's going to be hard. I mean, look, obviously we didn't think that they would win the games that they won.
NICHOLS: Who predicted that? I mean, you know, the school vice president was on CNN earlier today. And he said, "Oh, I picked them in my bracket." I would like to see that bracket. Because I'm not sure that they did.
BOLDUAN: Might have been some eraser marks.
NICHOLS: I do know that when they tried to scrimmage Florida just before the season, Florida wouldn't give them the scrimmage, because they were such a small school. So that gives you a little idea.
BLITZER: A lot of people will be watching this game tonight, including all of us.
NICHOLS: No question.
BLITZER: Thanks very much.
BOLDUAN: Have a great weekend.
BLITZER: I'll be at the Elite Eight game tomorrow here.
BOLDUAN: Yes, keep rubbing it in. I will be watching it on television.
BLITZER: You're Indiana.
BOLDUAN: I can't talk about it. If you guys notice tears running down my face today...
BLITZER: Didn't exactly show up and do well.
BOLDUAN: ... bracket.
BLITZER: Miami didn't do well either.
BOLDUAN: Miami did not do well. So everyone, it's been a very interesting... BLITZER: Your brackets are...
BOLDUAN: My bracket is over. I mean, I had Indiana winning the whole thing. Obviously, hometown. No, it's not happening.
In the absence of me winning how I want to win, I love a Cinderella story.
BLITZER: Yes. Let's hope they go all the way. If they go all the way, then Georgetown, the team I projected to win...
BLITZER: ... will have some consolation that the team they lost to in the first round is the champion.
BOLDUAN: Duke City. Yes.
BLITZER: We would like to see that.
BOLDUAN: OK. So up next, well, unfortunately this is a very bittersweet moment for me. I have to say good-bye to...
BOLDUAN: Not yet. To this guy. He's ready to kick me off already. We'll be back right after this.
BLITZER: We told our viewers, tonight is your last show.
BOLDUAN: And if you will indulge me, because I know we don't like to get sappy. I do have to thank you, Wolf. Your friendship on and off camera has meant so much to me.
Everything that you and Lynn have done for Michael and I has meant the world. Your guidance, your patience with me, it means everything.
And none of this would have been possible without you and our amazing SIT ROOM staff and the crew. You guys have done amazing things and thank you for welcoming me into the SIT ROOM team. I'm not leaving CNN: I'm moving to a new city and a new time slot.
BLITZER: She's going to be in New York, as you know by now. Chris Cuomo and you.
BOLDUAN: I'll be co-anchoring with Chris Cuomo.
BLITZER: And they're going to have the morning show. And we're looking forward to it.
BOLDUAN: So Wolf, thanks.
BLITZER: You did an excellent job. BOLDUAN: Thanks.
BLITZER: That's it for us. Thanks very much for watching. Erin Burnett "OUTFRONT" with Brooke Baldwin tonight starts right now.