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Fired Rutgers Coach Speaks Out; New Video of Arias' Parents; Jodi Arias Interrogation Video; Clues, No Solid Info in Prosecutor Killings; Beer, Drugs, and Guns in Jail.

Aired April 3, 2013 - 11:30   ET



ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Breaking news for you. We led this program telling you that the coach of Rutgers University basketball team has been fired. This was after -- several months after a video coming to light showing him being extraordinarily abusive to players. We're now hearing from Coach Rice.

Pamela Brown joins me live again now.

This is an interview that he has just given?

PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. He gave this interview to WABC. He apologized and said, "Again, as I stated three months ago after I watched the video, how deeply regrettable those actions, I also stated I was going to try and work on changing and I think I've accomplished a lot of that. I can't say anything right now except I'm sorry and there will never be a time where I'm going to use any of that as an excuse or will there be any excuse. I've let so many people down, my players, my administration, Rutgers University, the fans, my family, who are sitting in their house just huddled around because their father was an embarrassment to them. It's troubling but I hope, at some time, maybe I'll try and explain it. But right now there is no explanation on those films because there was no excuse for it. I was wrong and I want to tell everybody who's believed in me that I'm deeply sorry for the pain and the hardship that I've caused. Thank you."

BANFIELD: That is one mea culpa. But it's one New York television station. It's a local television station. Do we know if he will give a mass news conference where he can take questions?

BROWN: We don't know that, Ashleigh, but pressure is mounting for that to happen. So many unanswered questions. People wondering how did this go on for so long without anybody noticing? Why didn't the university take more action when officials saw this video several months ago? And why did it take public outrage like this for Mike Rice to lose his job.

BANFIELD: And was it just the public outrage that led to this action as opposed to just morals alone?

Pamela Brown, thank you. Keep us updated if he does anything more on the story. Thank you for that. We also have some pretty fascinating video that has just emerged from the Jodi Arias murder trial. Her parents, Bill and Sandy Arias, talking to police within moments being told that their daughter is being accused of being a vicious murderer. Their daughter. It's taken right around the time of her arrest. And if you put yourself in their shoes, they are, all at once, coming to grips with what they have just been told while, at the same time, they are giving subtle clues into their daughter's true nature.

First, Jodi's mom.


SANDY ARIAS, MOTHER OF JODI: How could somebody you say she did this come back and just be normal?


SANDY ARIAS: Jodi has mental problems. Jodi would freak out all the time. I had quite a few of her friends call me and tell me that I need to get her some help. I can't even imagine. And, my god, I can't even think about it.

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: The evidence that we have is completely convincing to me. We have everything from her fingerprints at the scene of the crime.

SANDY ARIAS: Well, I know her fingerprints are there.

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Her DNA, her -- things like her hair and --

SANDY ARIAS: You know she spent time with him. So does that prove that she killed him? She cleaned his house, she --

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: The evidence that we have is more than just that. It's more than just that. I mean, you don't leave a fingerprint in blood.



SANDY ARIAS: Why would she do something like this?

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: I don't know. And that's what I was trying --

SANDY ARIAS: Did she snap or what? How could she come back here and then when her friends calling and telling her that he died, she totally freaked out like she knew nothing about it. I mean, how could somebody do that? How?


BANFIELD: Next up, Bill Arias, Jodi's father. His interrogation seems to be a little different. He seems more calm and more able to accept the possibility of his daughter's role in this. He even seems to bring up clues that may point to her as possibly a killer?


BILL ARIAS, FATHER OF JODI: I said, are you going to tell me or not because I said I want to know? She goes, I can't tell you because I don't want you to get involved so I'm not going to tell you nothing, and I thought, oh well. And then I thought -- she told me that she quit her job yesterday because the police had called. And I said, what are you running away for if you're not guilty?

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Did you have your suspicions that she might have been involved in Travis' death?

BILL ARIAS: I looked at it this way. It was like a day and a half or two days later that she heard about it because she was quite normal until then and when she heard about it and over the phone she was hysterical.


BANFIELD: That's not all of the interrogation tapes. Wait until you see Jodi Arias' interrogation and what she told police about Travis Alexander, what her take was on the 10 Commandments, and what she did when the investigator left the room.


BANFIELD: The interrogation video of Jodi Arias' parents is just the tip of the iceberg. We haven't shown you some of the tape that you're about to see, interrogation of Jodi herself, talking about who could have committed such a heinous crime.



JODI ARIAS: I don't know. But if I am -- if I go to trial for this and I'm convicted for this, whoever did this is going to be sitting very pretty somewhere. (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: And it's my job to make sure that an innocent person does not go to jail. But I don't see an innocent person sitting in front of me.


BANFIELD: Remember, this is when she is still lying to everybody about never having been near Travis' home during that crime.

Let's go to "In Session" correspondent, Beth Karas, who is outside the courthouse in Phoenix. Also with me, CNN legal contributor, Paul Callan.

Beth, first to you. Are those tapes of Jodi's interrogation or her parents' interrogations ever going to see the light of the courtroom or, more importantly, the juror's eyes?

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: Well, some of Jodi Arias' interrogation that day or the next day when she is in her jail garb and she then admits that she was there but two intruders did it, those were played for the jury, snippets of them that both sides chose to use, not the entirely. You are showing stuff that the jury didn't see. But her parents' tapes, no. They're not relevant. I think that if there's a penalty phase in this case, her parents may get on the stand and her mom may talk about her problems and psychiatric problems and how Jodi's friends begged for her to get help for her but she never did.

BANFIELD: I want to play a little more of the interrogation because it's a classic move of interrogators, they get up and leave the suspect alone to see what they say or do when they don't think anyone is watching.




BANFIELD: So, Paul Callan, while that is a lovely rendition of one of Dido's (ph) songs, it's an unusual way for a suspect to behave? Or does it make any difference at all?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR: It's a bizarre way for a suspect to behave. Usually, she would not be singing a song when left alone. But frankly, unless the prosecutor wants to offer it in evidence, really only the prosecutor has the right to offer evidence like this. The defense cannot unless they are trying to, you know, in the penalty phase, as Beth said, introduce some mental health aspect.

BANFIELD: It's a lovely rendition but very strange and perhaps maybe it is not probative.

Thank you to both of you, Beth Karas and Paul Callan.

You can watch the proceedings of the Jodi Arias case live on HLN and also on It's fascinating and so many great legal issues connected to it.

Texas authorities say this is becoming a giant mystery. Who killed the Kaufman County district attorney and his wife? And now many other prosecutors are living and operating in fear.


BANFIELD: Now to the latest in the murders of two Texas prosecutors. There is a lot in terms of clues, theories, but there is very little to go on at this point. Mike McClelland and his wife were shot over the weekend. Mark Hasse was shot in broad daylight back in January. One of many possible links, a former local official who was convicted of burglary and theft. Eric Williams agreed to a gun power residue test over the weekend. Federal law enforcement official quoted by the "Los Angeles Times" said that Williams allegedly made several threats against both McClelland and Hasse. Williams, through his attorney, denies ever making threats against those prosecutors. Officials say other possible links to the killings include something else, a white supremacist gang, the Arian Brotherhood of Texas, as well as a whole other gang, Mexican drug cartels. Very different.

A neighbor of the McClellands tells Gary Tuchman that he knows for a fact that McClelland had guns in his house at the time that he was killed.



GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know that first hand?


TUCHMAN: How do you know that?

UNIDENTIFIED NEIGHBOR: He and I are both members, and I still am, members of rifle and pistol club and he's been to meetings out there that I've been to. So, yes, I know that he had guns.


BANFIELD: Even more incredible, that neighbor was awake the night that those two were killed and says he never heard any gunshots. His dogs never even barked. Just makes the mystery all the more compelling.

Joining me with his take on the case, Robert Kepple, executive director at the Texas District and County Attorney's Association, a nonprofit that offers training and assistance to Texas prosecutors. Also happens to be former chief felony prosecutor with the Harris County District Attorney's Office in Houston.

So, Sir, I take it you know a thing or two about the potential threats out there when your job is to put away bad people. Have you had anything in your past that is anything like the threats that these prosecutors may now be facing?

ROBERT KEPPLE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, TEXAS DISTRICT & COUNTY ATTORNEY'S ASSOCIATION: You know, I'm not sure. Prosecutors in Texas are very used to threats. Our job is to put away and to really make a lot of people mad at us so the truth is, it's kind of common that you get threats. I've had threats as a prosecutor in Texas. I know most of my friends have. We haven't taken those as seriously as we are taking this today, though.

BANFIELD: But the threats that you've encountered in your line of work, has it amounted to anything where your actions had to be altered or were these idle threats, things that you get every day? KEPPLE: A lot of times actions have been altered. I've spent a couple weeks watching TV on the floor of my apartment rather than sitting on the sofa until they were able to clear that threat. Looking back on that, like I say, we get a lot of threats from folks in the jail. You take them kind of seriously. I guess now people are going to take it a lot more seriously?

BANFIELD: Mr. Kepple, pardon me, I didn't know there was an association in Texas. Are you advising other prosecutors throughout the state of Texas on what to do now or do you yourself even know at this point? This is sort of uncharted territory.

KEPPLE: That's exactly right. Monday morning our phones were lit up with people calling asking for advice on how they can review the security for their assistance, how the elected can protect themselves, what steps need to be taken? The truth of the matter is our profession in Texas -- and I'm going to say probably around the country -- haven't really talked about this before. So we're having a meeting of our board of directors after the memorial service Thursday. We're going to have a meeting on Friday. And one of the big topics will be what do prosecutors need to do to start taking care of themselves and making sure that they're adequately protected.

BANFIELD: Mr. Kepple, thanks for being with us. Certainly, our thoughts are with you and your colleagues as you face these threats in this very new world we live in at this time.

Thanks so much for being with us.

KEPPLE: Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

BANFIELD: I want to talk a little bit about prison. Fear, drugs and guns, loaded guns, weren't really things you see in a jail cell, or -- look at your screen -- are they? Yes. That's a loaded weapon. And those are bullets. And this is a prison. You're going to find out what this is all about in just a moment.


BANFIELD: Drugs, guns, gambling, drinking, cavorting, that is absolutely not what you're supposed to be doing when you're behind bars in prison, but it is exactly what the inmates were doing in New Orleans. Take a look.




BANFIELD: Two words, holy moly. This is incredible video coming out in federal court in a case that's an ongoing push to clean up the Orleans Parish Prison. The feds sued last year, alleging unsafe, criminal and generally hellish conditions in that prison, which the sheriff agreed to address. The city itself is balking over the cost of trying to fix everything. Supposedly the video is four years old, but it just recently turned up in a safe.

So I want to bring in my attorneys on this case, Joey Jackson and Paul Callan.

You're not shaking your head, which tells me, Paul, that this is not so unusual. But, I'm sorry, seeing a loaded gun in a jail cell with all those inmates, I was astounded. Are you?

CALLAN: No. It's astounding. And I should be shaking my head. I thought it was a party at Joey Jackson's house for a moment.


I wasn't shaking my head. But no, it's -- I'm sure Joey would agree with me, having met with, you know, clients in prisons here in New York and other places that it is a shocking, shocking tape. I've never seen anything like it. It's like New Orleans is some third- world country. I mean, I've seen video of prisons in Peru and Bolivia and other places not as bad as this. It's an absolute disgrace.

BANFIELD: Paul, I can't even get my head around filthy conditions because the tape goes on to show not only the loaded weapon, the handgun and the arsenal, but cocaine and them doing lines of cocaine on a Bible or at least some kind of biblical publication, and swigging back on the Budweisers, several cans of Budweisers.

Here's where I get to my point, which I'm promoting for tonight at 10:00, Joey, how does this stuff really get in?

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY & CNN CONTRIBUTOR: OK. Well, there are multiple theories as to how. Now, backing up a bit, apparently because of Katrina, they had to use this jail that was formerly closed and they admitted at that time there were inadequate security measures to even be used as a prison. But they say, in light of the destruction from Hurricane Katrina, they had to resort to that. Not that that's an excuse not a justification but there is a theory that potentially -- and we know that security guards at the jail and those who are corrections officers work very hard, they're honest and law-abiding people -- but there's a theory that they may have been or some of them may have been in on getting some of this contraband into the facility.

BANFIELD: Unbelievable.

I'm going out on a limb saying, Paul Callan, I thought it was a party at your house, my friend.


We're going to talk more about this case, both of you, when we get more information on it. It really is astounding.

In the meantime, thank you to you both, Joey Jackson, Paul Callan.


BANFIELD: Always good to see you both. Privilege is mine.

So coming up later today, "Out Front" with Erin Burnett is going to dig deeper into this story. You'll want to check her out. Her show starts at 7:00 p.m. eastern time right here on CNN, very proud to say.

And all morning on CNN, we have been showing you the very bizarre interview that Michael Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, did from inside his jail, live with Anderson Cooper. If you haven't seen it, head to May be worth 10 minutes out of your day to catch this. It was so bizarre.

You'll want to tune in also to CNN this Friday at 10:00 eastern time because Anderson Cooper will have a special report called "Michael Jackson; The Final Days."

And those are my final words. I thank you profusely for watching.

AROUND THE WORLD is coming your way in just a moment.