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Criminal with a Conscience; Massive Child Porn Stash Found; Family Rescued in Everglades; Greetings, Aliens

Aired April 5, 2013 - 14:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: In New Jersey a rare court event. You're going to see some video here. This is a criminal wanting, dare I say desperate, to plead guilty to murder. Steven Goff wasn't even caught by police. It was his conscience that caught up to him and led to this moment just this week when he told a judge he stabbed a 15-year- old boy, Frederick Hart, some 23 years ago.

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STEVEN GOFF, MURDER DEFENDANT: I'm prepared to enter a guilty plea right here now.

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BALDWIN: According to our affiliates, Goff is now in jail being held on a $1 million bond. He has been talking to his friends from behind bars and that friend told abcnews.com, this quote here.

Quote, "He said he'd been living with this since he was 17, 18, having nightmares. He sees the kid's mother in nightmares saying how can you do will this to my family. He had a 1,000 pound elephant sitting on his chest. He said that he had to confess to tell the truth and meet his maker."

How about that? Joining me now to talk about this, forensic psychologist, Daniela Schreier. Daniela, welcome. For all these crimes I feel like we cover, I've never heard of anything like this. Twenty three years sitting with this guilt. Have you ever heard of something like this?

DANIELA SCHREIER, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, no, not 23 years. Hi, Brooke. Nice to be here. I think what is very special to the case, what makes people so surprised, why is he coming forward now? But you know, in the public, we always talk about, my God, all these murderers must be psychopaths, right?

And the hallmark of psychopaths generally are having no conscience and having no empathy. But obviously he came forward conscience means that you are aware you did something wrong and empathy is that you're feeling for somebody else. In his case, he was -- go ahead. Sorry.

BALDWIN: No, I'm just thinking, so in this case and it feels like such an anomaly, if you're saying he actually has a conscience. There are many people who clearly do not. What is it within their brains? Is it compartmentalization? Is it denial that leads someone not to come forward?

SCHREIER: No, generally if you look at a true psychopath, there is just this little chip missing, right? If you don't have it on your computer, you can't apply it, and in this case this man when he was killing Hart back then, he himself was in trouble.

He said he back then was a drug dealer. He might also have been a user and he was in jail or prison for five years himself. Now remember actually even killers can have a sort of a post-traumatic stress syndrome, right? That means he had nightmares about the boy's mom appearing to him.

BALDWIN: Clearly this guy, 23 years later, did the right thing. Daniela Schreier, thank you so much, forensic psychologist, quite a rarity here.

Now to this, take a look. Kevin Ware breaks his leg. I know it was almost a week ago. It still gives me goose bumps to look at this. This was the Duke game on Sunday. Now his team in Atlanta for the final four, some companies out with t-shirts as a tribute to this fallen player here.

But are they benefiting off his injury? We're going to talk about that and there have been a lot of rumors for many years that Jada Pinkett Smith and her husband, Will Smith, have an open relationship. But it's what she said on "Huffington Post Live" that's making all kinds of waves. We're going to talk about that with my panelists. "Hot Topics Panel" standing by. They're next.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The category, thoughts going through Kevin Ware's mind at this moment right here. Here we go. Number nine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hope this doesn't leave a bruise.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, number eight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look, my tibia.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Number four.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tape it up, Coach, I'm staying in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the number one thought going through Kevin Ware's mind at the moment of the broken leg --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At least my bracket's not busted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's right.

(END VIDEOTAPE) BALDWIN: Leave it to David Letterman. This was his take on the leg break seen around the world. Louisville basketball guard Kevin Ware will recover from the fall that was pretty much the worst any of us have ever seen here. That was the game from last Sunday.

Now some are wincing at something else here, this t-shirt. We're going to show it to you. It is the first hot topic we're going to tackle today. "Hot Topics Panel" time, these are the stories you'll be buzzing about around the dinner table.

So this is a $25 t-shirt made by Adidas and if you can read it, it says rise to the occasion. The S is replaced by Kevin Ware's number 5. It is no longer available. Not sure if it was pulled or did gang busters sales so it's already sold out.

But the deal is this, some are questioning if it was right for Adidas and the NCAA to profit from Kevin Ware's pain. Louisville's athletic director told our affiliate, WDRB, quote, "This shirt was created as a respectful tribute to honor Kevin with NCAA trademark apparel parameters and allows fans to rally around the team and because of that, Adidas is contributing a portion of every sale to the university's scholarship fund."

So let's talk t-shirts and Kevin Ware, shall we? "Hot Topics Panel" today, Peter Shankman, branding and social media consultant and author of the book just released. Congratulations, my friend. It's called "Nice Companies Finish First," also comedian, Sherrod Small, we have Keli Goff, political correspondent for theroot.com, and Hadley Heath, a senior policy analyst for the Independent Women's Forum.

So welcome to all of you. Happy Friday. Shankman, since you have a new book, you get first dibs on this. T-shirt, do you see anything wrong with?

PETER SHANKMAN, BRANDING AND SOCIAL MEDIA CONSULTANT: You know, if the immediate photo that followed the break wasn't him standing up and on crutches, that's inspirational. I get it. Had he been out for three months flat on his back in a coma, obviously no one would have done this.

This really is inspirational story. Within 24 hours he was up, saying when can I play again? I don't necessarily see anything wrong with it per se. There have been mistakes in the past where we tend to glamorise things that aren't really glamorous. This really is an inspiration story.

BALDWIN: Who disagrees?

SHERROD SMALL, COMEDIAN: I disagree.

BALDWIN: Go, why?

SMALL: First of all, Adidas and Louisville, they're not hurting for money. It's like they should have donated all the proceeds to something. It's like why are you keeping any of this money, Adidas?

BALDWIN: They're keeping a lot of it, a little going to the scholarship fund.

SMALL: Send it all.

KELI GOFF, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT, THEROOT.COM: That was I going to say actually is that celebrating this courageous young man and him getting right back out there the next day is not tacky. Profiting from celebrating this young man is tacky.

I don't know how that got lost in business 101. And the other thing I have to say is I'm all about the scholarship fund. That's really exciting. Does anyone know who is paying his medical bills?

BALDWIN: Apparently, the school is. Louisville is stepping up to the plate. They are paying the bills. Also if we can throw the picture up if we have it, because Rachel Nichols our sports reporter, she interviewed actually Kevin and his mother earlier in the week.

I don't know if we have it, but here he is hobbling long on crutches. And he, too, is wearing a similar shirt along the Kevin Ware ilk basically in his favor. So does that sort of imply --

SMALL: It's sticky, a sticky situation.

HADLEY HEATH, SENIOR POLICY ANALYST, INDEPENDENT WOMEN'S FORUM: It's a great product. Adidas is a for profit company. A lot of people want to buy the shirt. So I think people want to honor Kevin Ware buying this. The question is really who gets the money, right, and that's what happened here. I wish Kevin Ware could get some of the money.

BALDWIN: Listen, I went to Carolina. We may not be in the four this year. Tear, tear, but we made t-shirts and other schools always have t-shirts so just because this is sort of for Kevin Ware, does it really matter?

SHANKMAN: No. Keep in mind for a for profit company, that's what they do. They're designed to take things that happen and make money. And the fact that the NCAA has a contract with Adidas, they're not hurting for money because of contracts like this.

GOFF: But the reason this is a bigger issue, I have to mention this, we all know this is a bigger conversation about all of these wealthy institutions profiting off of not necessarily wealthy athletes who don't see a dime until they turn pro. So there are a lot of us who shake our heads and go not again.

SMALL: It's like these kids don't get salaries. These kids don't get paid for playing these games.

SHANKMAN: But if the school didn't make the t-shirt, someone would have on cafe press and then there would have been no money donated.

BALDWIN: Let me read this, from Adidas. The rise to the occasion t- shirt was created at the request of the team and the university. We are happy to support Louisville fans who wish to honor a player and rally around the team during the most important moments of their season.

The t-shirt was intended as a respectful tribute and because of that, a portion of every sale will go to the university scholarship fund. Moving on because we have to talk about marriage, Jada Pinkett Smith and her husband, Will Smith, he is her own man, her quote about him.

So does that mean the rumors are correct that they have an open marriage? And why should we care? We'll go there with the panel next.

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BALDWIN: Back with the "Hot Topics Panel," let's talk about America's obsession with celebrity marriages, for whatever reason here, if there is one marriage people love to talk about, it is that of Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith.

There have been all kinds of rumors during their marriage from how they raise their kids to the biggest one, their alleged open marriage. But are the rumors true? Well, Jada Pinkett Smith finally has an answer to that. She talked to Marc Lamont Hill, one of the hosts for "Huffington Post Live." Take a listen.

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JADA PINKETT SMITH, WIFE OF WILL SMITH: I've always told Will you can do whatever you wants a long as you can look at yourself in the mirror and be OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wow.

SMITH: OK? Because at the end of the day, will is his own man. I'm here as his partner, but he is his own man. He has to decide who he wants to be and that's not for me to do for him.

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BALDWIN: Want to open it up. Keli, let's start with you. I know -- Keli, to you. Can you decipher what we just heard?

GOFF: I think the most shocking thing about this story is that Jada Pinkett is in her 40s. She looks amazing. I'm dancing around this one.

BALDWIN: Sherrod, jump in.

SMALL: Listen to me. First of all, we're interested because Jada and Will, I would date both of them. I wouldn't pick.

BALDWIN: OK, great, but that's not my question, Sherrod.

SMALL: But I'm just saying America is interested in it because it's a sexy couple, they've been together for a long type and people wonder how do you keep the flames going? Now we know. They mix it up a little. BALDWIN: Because we started thinking of all the celebrity couples. We were thinking of Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt. We were thinking of Oprah and Stedman and why they hadn't been married. Is it that we as human beings not in the public spotlight aren't perfect and we hope that they are imperfect, as well?

SHANKMAN: You've got two people that have been married for years. You have their kids who look normal, who act normal. They're not running drugs or guns. I'm having a kid in three weeks. I hope my kid is as normal as their kids. Let them do whatever they want. That's what matters.

GOFF: I think that you hit will the nail on the head, though, which is that there is something because I've written about this when it comes to successful women. We're OK if a woman is really successful as long as she's not really pretty and dresses really well.

BALDWIN: What is wrong with that?

HEATH: Look at the world that they live in. They're living in the Hollywood elite a-listers. How many of those marriages last 16 years.

SMALL: Thank you. That's a long time.

HEATH: I'm afraid we have a culture where we have to suspect that something terrible a going on behind the scenes that they seems successful in public. I say it's none of our business.

SHANKMAN: I would date both of them, too.

BALDWIN: Even though they're public people, they have private lives and why can't they keep whatever they choose to do, whether it's true or not, private.

SMALL: Because we want a relationship like Will and Jada. We want something that seems like it lasts and still have fun with it.

GOFF: I'm not going to tell my husband do whatever you want a long as you can look at yourself in the mirror.

BALDWIN: Hang on. Let me just in because the initial question from Marc Lamont Hill was are the rumors true and then this long answer, do you know what the word was? No. She said no and then she gave this whole long answer.

SMALL: She's in denial. She's in denial.

GOFF: If they do finally break up, then there will be weeks of coverage about what happened. None of us had anything to do with it with all of this intrusive media coverage and speculation?

HEATH: Do they hate the intrusive media coverage or do they like being in the headlines?

BALDWIN: Something we could talk about for many a panel.

SMALL: We love it.

BALDWIN: We do love it. And Peter Shankman, I didn't know you were about to have a baby so a book and a baby. Nice work.

SHANKMAN: Yes, my wife is. It's kind of scary.

BALDWIN: Congratulations. And thanks to all of you. Happy Friday. Sherrod Small, Keli Goff, Hadley Heath, thank you, thank you a million times over. Have a great weekend.

And now it is being called switching gears totally the biggest child pornography raid in Florida history. We'll tell you all about it next.

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BALDWIN: Now some of the hottest stories in flash, rapid fire. Roll it. Beginning with the huge child pornography case here, possibly the most prolific child porn case in all of the state of Florida ever, 1 million obscene photos, videos, all allegedly found inside one man's apartment. This man accused of having all these pictures and videos of kids appeared in court this morning. The judge ordered him to stay behind bars. No bond.

And a missing Ohio family was rescued in the Florida everglades, the parents and three young boys reportedly all in good condition. They were missing after taking an air boat into the everglades. Rescue crews searched 1,000 square mile area. The family used air horns to get rescuers' attention.

And a South Carolina man says he has had close encounters with aliens. So take a look. He created a UFO Welcome Center.

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JODY PENDARVIS, CREATED UFO WELCOME CENTER: Aliens can fly from the north or the south and just land in the parking lot. And come in and chit-chat with me, guys.

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BALDWIN: No problem. Jody Pendarvis says he had a strange urge to build said welcome center in the early '90s. Look at that, waving hello. He claims he greeted his first visitors back in 1999. They do not often make stops on earth. He says aliens would rather fly around than visit planet earth.

Coming up, racially segregated proms. Guess what, they exist in the U.S. in 2013, but there are some students in Georgia trying to put a stop to them. We will hear from them next hour.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're all friends. That's just not right that we can't go to prom together.

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