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Rick Warren's Son Kills Self; Six Americans Dead in Afghanistan; 9 Kids; 6 Others Killed in Attack; North Korea's Warning to Russia

Aired April 6, 2013 - 19:00   ET


DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Don Lemon. Seven o'clock on the East Coast, 4:00 p.m. out West.

Here's what's happening right now:

Tragedy hits the family of one of the most famous preachers. His son commits suicide. The church is asking everyone to join in prayer.

An attack on a military convoy in Afghanistan leaves five Americans dead. This comes as a top U.S. general arrives in the region.

More violence in Syria. Opposition forces say an airstrike has killed at least 15 people, including nine children. Amateur video captures the chaotic scene.

And posturing and threats grow more dramatic on the Korean peninsula, with the North telling diplomats it cannot guarantee their safety. We have a live report from the region in just a few minutes.

We begin at the Saddleback megachurch in southern California, headed by evangelist Rick Warren. We learned today that Warren's youngest son shot himself yesterday at his home in Mission Viejo, after spending the evening before with his parents. Warren is one of the most well-known Christian leaders in the country, and the author of the bestseller "The Purpose Driven Life."

The Saddleback Church issued this statement. "At 27 years of age, Matthew was an incredibly kind, gentleman and compassionate young man whose sweet spirit was encouragement and comfort to many. Unfortunately, he also suffered from mental illness resulting in deep depression and suicidal thoughts. Despite the best healthcare available, this was an illness that was never fully controlled and the emotional pain resulted in his decision to take his life.

CNN's Deborah Feyerick has the very latest now -- Deborah.


DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Apparently, 27 year old Matthew Warren committed suicide after years of struggling with mental illness. His father pastor, Rick Warren, you may remember, delivered the invocation at President Obama's first inauguration. Now, in a heartfelt message today, he said that his son suffered from deep depression and suicidal thoughts.

Warren's statement reads that, quote, "In spite of America's best doctors, meds, counselors and prayers for healing, the torture of mental illness never subsided. Today, after a fun evening with wife Kaye and me, in a momentary wave of despair at his home, Matthew took his life."

The Pastor Rick Warren is well-known and widely regarded internationally. He's "The New York Times" best-selling author of the book "The Purpose Driven Life", which has sold upwards of 30 million copies. Among liberals and Democrats, he is somewhat controversial figure for his seemingly conservative theological views on social issues like abortion and same sex marriage which he does not support.

The brokenhearted father described his son as having a brilliant intellect and saying, who in the room was in the most pain, and going to them to offer encouragement. Warren says that after a failed attempt about 10 years ago, his son Matthew, quote, "Dad, I know I'm going to heaven why can't I just die and end this pain?"

Warren and his wife Kaye in anguish over the loss of their youngest son.


LEMON: Thank you, Deborah.

Many believers may struggle over how this could happen in such a devout family. I spoke about that with CNN Belief blog editor Eric Marrapodi.


ERIC MARRAPODID, CNN BELIEF BLOG EDITOR (via telephone): One of the things that Warren tweeted today, he said thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, since in heaven, God's will is done #always, on earth, it's rarely done."

It's an important point I think to bring up, because there you see, that's a verse we often hear from pastors in coping with grief situations like this that this is something in God's hand, and this is his own will and it's something that is a mystery and that people can't always understand it.


LEMON: We'll continue to follow the story as it unfolds here on CNN.

In the meantime, in Afghanistan today, six American citizens died in two separate insurgent attacks. The deadliest happened here in a southern province near Kandahar. A suicide bomber blew up a car filled with explosives next to a military convoy.

Three American troops and two U.S. government civilians died.

Fifteen people, including nine children were killed today when Syria's government dropped a bomb on the city of Aleppo.

This amateur video shows a panic scene with burning buildings. CNN cannot verify this video. One opposition group says a total of 78 people were killed across the country today.

South Korea has been here before, threats of war from Pyongyang just across the border. But this time, it's a new leader, Kim Jong Un who might be, who might ever bit as unpredictable as his father. If you need to know how serious the threat is, just look at this map. A ballistic missile from the North could hit South Korea, Japan, even Guam.

CNN's Kyung Lah joins me now from Seoul, South Korea.

So, Kyung, we know South Koreans are taking this in stride but do we have any idea how people feel in the North about this?

KYUNG LAH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're actually getting some very rare insight, Don, from someone who was just in Pyongyang.

Take a look at these photos. These were photos taken in the last 24 to 48 hours. They're coming from American and British tourists who went in through a Beijing base tour company. They have a permit to go in and bring in some Western tourists. They're only there for a few days.

But I spoke to the tour operator and she says she's been to Pyongyang multiple times. What she saw was everyday life. She did not sense that Pyongyang was all that different from before and that the threats from North Korea aren't exactly matching what she's seeing on the ground.

Here's what he told us.


AMANDA CARR, NORTH KOREA TOUR OPERATOR: I didn't feel any different towards us and people smiling, waving, saying hello, usually in English, and kids coming up and rollerblading and coming from square, coming up and saying hello. So there was no difference in that respect.


LAH: One thing that is important to note is that a lot of times when Western tours come in, outside visitors, into Pyongyang, they are offered a sanitized image, only allowed to talk to certain people, taken around by a government minder. They are not allowed to go outside of Pyongyang where all of the starving people are. So, that is important to note, Don.

But it's also interesting incite to see how the capital inside North Korea is operating right now.

LEMON: What is the perception of Kim Jong Un in the South? LAH: Very simply, South Koreans think he's completely crazy, that he is perhaps even worse than his father. A lot of times you look on some of the Korean newspapers, some of the blogs, people are making fun of his weight, calling him a pig, calling him a dog.

They cannot stand him here. But that unpredictability is what nay are concerned about.

He is essentially a man-child with his finger on the nuclear button. He's trying to shore up support among his own people as well as military elite and the outside world. Here in South Korea, they feel they have the bull's eye on them with a maniac in the North looking right at them.

So, that's really how, in an unvarnished view, how Koreans view Kim Jong Un.

LEMON: Yes. Why don't they tell us how they really feel, huh, Kyung? Thank you very much, Kyung Lah.

In a few minutes, we'll talk with someone who understands a threat from North Korea better than most.

Plus, former South African leader Nelson Mandela out of the hospital. We'll get an update on how he's doing.


LEMON: Two days of negotiations on Iran's nuclear program have produced about the same results as the last four rounds of talk -- zero.

Delegates from six nations, plus Iran, are meeting this weekend in Kazakhstan, trying to reach some kind of common ground on how much to limit Iran and to define Iran's nuclear ambition. Well, will there be another round of talks? Nobody knows yet.

John Kerry hitting the road this weekend. It's what secretaries of state do for a living. Today, he was off to Turkey then it's on to Israel and to the West Bank. It's the third trip to the Middle East in two weeks.

Next week, he's in London, then South Korea, Japan and China.

In China, an outbreak in bird flu in people has led to the slaughter of more than 20,000 chickens, ducks, geese and pigeons. Unusually strain had never been seen in humans until 16 cases are reported. Six of those people have died. U.S. health officials are working closely with Chinese authorities trying to find the source of the infections.

How far will North Korea go this time? That that's the big question that everyone from the Pentagon to Seoul is asking, and no one is sure.

Here to talk about this crisis is Gordon Chang. He is a columnist for and an author of "Nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes on the World." He knows a lot about this particular subject. He joins me from New York.

Hi, Gordon. Thanks for joining us.


LEMON: You know, it sound like a cliche but we have seen this saber-rattling over and over again, blustering. Is there a reason to think that this time, it's any different/

CHANG: I think that it's different. You know, in the past, the North Koreans have thrown a tantrum when the U.S. and South Korea have started their drills. Then, they go quiet.

This time however, the tension got worse, the threats became more dire, and I think it's because Kim Jong Un, the new ruler in North Korea, has yet to consolidate his position. At no time since 1949 has a North Korean leader had a smaller base of support than he does today. And so, that's why I think we're seeing all of these events, all of these threats one after the other.

And I don't think this is going to end very well.

LEMON: Let's take a little deeper with it, OK. Go ahead. Why do you say the last sentence -- you don't think it's going to end very well?

CHANG: Well, because I think he's painted himself into a corner. The legitimacy in this regime is based upon taking over South Korea killing foreigners. And so, for him to maintain his position now that he's said all of these things, I think that he has to go forward and do something.

I don't think he's going to do it soon, because North Korea never strikes when we have a high degree of readiness but they will strike when we're not looking. And these military exercises that I talked about, they end at the end of this month when our readiness returns and falls back to normal. When we're not looking, then the North Koreans probably will strike.

OK. Is this, you know, he's a young leader. He's new. Is he just trying to show that he is just as tough if not tougher or as unpredictable, or more unpredictable than his father?

CHANG: Yes. And I think that's the problem.

You know, Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il, the first two leaders in North Korea, they reached out and killed foreigners, Americans and South Koreans. But they knew where the line was, and so we never retaliated. Kim Jong Un, 29 years old, in a regime that's in disarray, he very well may not know where that line is and that's the real problem.

LEMON: His -- is there a reason to believe, though, and many have said that they believe that Kim Jong Un is just a puppet and that the generals are the real power behind the throne. Is that so, Gordon?

CHANG: Actually, I don't think so. Kim Jong Un started out his reign by trying to purge generals and he tried to elevate the Korean Workers Party to a position that was equal to the military, because under his father, Kim Jong Il, the military was at the top of the regime.

Right now, I think that what Kim Jong Un is trying to do is to get the support of the generals after his disastrous purge last year. I think it really is at a point where we don't know too much but I don't think the generals are running it. I think they're competing for power and that's what makes this so messy and dangerous.

LEMON: That leads to my next question. So how secure is the regime? You said that they're fighting for power. How secure is the regime?

We know China is propping it up in many ways. Will we see the Kim dynasty collapse in our lifetime?

CHANG: Well, I think we will. I don't know how safe and secure it is at the moment.

The problem we've got in China, you've got a leadership transition that is tumultuous. There, you got the generals have become much more powerful and they're supporting the North Korean counterparts. And if the North Korean regime survives, I think it's because the generals are going to support it even more.

LEMON: What about reunification and what's the possibility of that and does China fear a unified Korea?

CHANG: I think China does. It is very interesting that in February, there was an ad in "The Financial Times" from a guy in the central party school in Beijing. And that article -- that op-ed suggested that China should dump North Korea.

Well, this guy, Dang Yu Wen (ph), was now -- lost his job a few weeks ago and I think that shows that there's a lot of support still in the regime in Beijing for Pyongyang, and so, I think there's a lot going on there that we can't see. But I'm not sure that China is going to ditch north Korea because this guy did lose his job which indicates North Korea does have a lot of support at the top.

LEMON: Gordon Chang, and the book is called "Nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes on the World" -- you certainly know your stuff. We thank you for joining us here on CNN. Here's the book.

CHANG: Thanks so much, Don.

LEMON: You're quite welcome.

Coming up, the civil trial and the death of Michael Jackson. Will the king of pop's oldest son have to take the stand and testify? A trial preview, next.


LEMON: South African Nelson Mandela is now out of the hospital and going to receive some special in-home care. The 94-year-old, the nation's first black president, has been sick with a lung infection and pneumonia.

CNN's Robyn Curnow has the latest from Johannesburg -- Robyn.


ROBYN CURNOW, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, after 10 nights in the hospital, Nelson Mandela has been released. Authorities here saying that he's shown sustained and gradual improvement in his general condition, and that he's now to receive home-based high care.

We understand from sources that his bedroom in his home in Johannesburg has very first sophisticated medical machinery and also, of course, he receives 24-hour medical care. So no doubt, those who look after him, his carriers, his doctors, his nurses will be keeping a very close eye on him after he was hospitalized for the second time in four months for pneumonia.

This as Nelson Mandela's health has been steadily deteriorating over the past few years.

Robin Curnow, CNN, Johannesburg, South Africa.


LEMON: Robin, thank you very much.

Let's check some other stories we're following.

Florida investigators now believe these two brothers kidnapped Wednesday by their father are on this sailboat headed to the Gulf of Mexico. A sheriff in the Tampa Bay area has released images of Joshua Hakken and his wife Sharyn on 25-foot vessel which investigators are now searching for. It's not clear if Sharyn is involved or under duress herself. Joshua Hakken abducted the children from their grandmother after tying her up.

The Mississippi Bureau of Investigation now says the death of a detective and murder suspect in a police interview room were a murder suicide. Officials say the suspect, 23-year-old Jeremy Powell, overpowered the Jackson police investigator on Thursday, shot him, and then turned the gun on himself. The veteran detective Eric Smith (ph) was 40-year-old.

Mourners are paying their respects right now at a high school in rural West Virginia for Sheriff Eugene Crum. Brand new to his job in January, Crum was gunned down Wednesday while eating lunch in his car near the Mingo County courthouse.

His funeral is set for tomorrow.

CNN's Fredricka Whitfield spoke today was his daughter Julie. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JULIE HALL, DAUGHTER OF SLAIN SHERIFF: I'm doing as well as expected, we're still in shock and I'm heartbroken but I'm doing OK.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: So, there's a memorial service later on this afternoon. Tell me what you want people to know about your dad and how you expect him to be recognized and eulogized today.

HALL: My dad was a very loving man. He was a loving father and grandfather. He loved his community. He's done a great job in the short three months that he's been sheriff. What he's accomplished is just amazing.

WHITFIELD: So just three months your dad was sheriff. Well, how important was this job, this responsibility to be this public servant in your community?

HALL: My dad fought tirelessly against drug abuse. He just wanted to clean up the county and make it a better place to live for the children that are growing up here.

WHITFIELD: Do you feel like your dad was targeted because, in large part because he would fight drug abuse and try to bring the prosecution of those who were bringing drug problems to the community?

HALL: Things are still under investigation at this time, so we really are unsure, you know, why this has happened. But I think it's a very strong possibility.

WHITFIELD: So, now, how concerned are you about your mom taking this position? She has assumed the responsibility that your dad had and up until next year, May. So over a year your mom will be sheriff. How worried are you for her?

HALL: I am concerned for her safety, but my dad had officers in a place that took care of him very well and I know they're going to take care of my mom very well.

WHITFIELD: Is this something you all talked about as a family, you open your mom to assume his responsibilities after he was murdered?

HALL: We did. My mother and I and my brother, we did talk about it and we did agree that my mom would be the best person to take his job. She's the one who knew him best. She knew what he wanted to accomplish and I think she can finish the job he started.

WHITFIELD: So, take me into that conversation. What was -- what were all of the concerns that you and your brother expressed to your mom? And how did she assure you?

HALL: Well, no one can be 100 percent sure of what's going to happen. You know, everything is in God's hands. And I know that, I just know that my mom is going to do a great job for this county. She loves this county as much as my dad did and she'll carry on his legacy.

WHITFIELD: What kind of impact did your dad make on you?

HALL: My dad was my rock. He was the very person that I could call for anything and he always had my side.


LEMON: Up next, boxing legend Mike Tyson. He says President Obama should use his office to right an historic wrong.


LEMON: Almost half past the hour. We're going to check your headlines right now on CNN.

The White House looking for ways to persuade North Korea to stop threatening the region with war. When he visits Asia next week, when he visits Asia next week, Secretary of State John Kerry could discuss possible incentives for Pyongyang to quiet its rhetoric.

President Obama's press secretary has already said that no one would be surprised if by a missile test. But Washington still hopes to find a peaceful way to prevent conflict.

Crowds rally for immigration reform today in Jersey City. The message to Congress: the time is now for common sense reform, including a realistic path to American citizenship. Newark Mayor Cory Booker and New Jersey Senator Robert Menendez spoke at today's event. It was one of those rallies across -- several rallies across the nation today under "The Time is Now" banner.

A Texas family and the entire state law enforcement community held a private funeral today for a prosecutor and his wife who were shot dead in their home. Police have no suspects of the murder of Mike McLelland or murder of his chief prosecutor two months earlier. CNN is n Kaufman, Texas, tonight. The very latest and a full report coming up.

He was known as the Galveston Giant, a legend of a world of boxing. Jack Johnson shattered the status quo, becoming the first African-American heavyweight champion in 1908. Johnson's powerful knockouts sent shockwaves inside the boxing right, shockwaves for felt outside the ring when Johnson broke one of the segregated Jim Crow laws. Johnson's crime: dating a white woman and eventually marrying one.

Convicted in 1913, that crime tarnished his name and legacy. But now, there's an effort under way to win a posthumous presidential pardon for Johnson and it's getting some heavy hitters behind it.

Joining me now from Detroit is one of those heavy hitters, boxing great and former heavyweight champ, Mike Tyson.

Mike, welcome. Thank you for joining us.

MIKE TYSON, FORMER HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP (via telephone): Hey. Thank you for having me, Don.

LEMON: Why would you get behind an effort to pardon Jack Johnson? What spark --

TYSON: Hey. I'm just a great fan of Jack Johnson. And, yes, I understand the circumstances on which Jack Johnson was convicted under, and the circumstances in which his (INAUDIBLE) as a human being. And jack Johnson broke all the barriers. He was just -- he was the first guy, black person in Galveston with a car when he was champion. He was just the Ali before Ali.

LEMON: Ali even looked up to him as well. I think that you probably looked up to him as well. I should mention that you're in the Motor City right now on tour, starring in your one-man show. It's called "Undisputed Truth." And that's really what Jack Johnson, he tried to live that truth.

Do you think that he has a chance?

TYSON: Hey, man, I believe God is great and I believe good will be vindicated and I believe in this circumstances and at the time of the circumstance that it happened, that it was all done with ill, you know, ill will.

And I think Mr. Johnson will get pardoned. I really believe that, because I'm pushing a petition. I have over 3 million followers and I'm sure we can get, you know, with the grace of God, we can get -- we can get 100,000 votes.

LEMON: Yes, and we're looking at the petition now. The petition is on a website, it's the website

You are trying to get a lot of people to help you out, some big political heavy hitters in your corner. Tell us about who they are and what they're doing to help you.

TYSON: Oh, listen, I had Senator John McCain and Senator Harry Reid, I had a meeting, a brief meeting with Senator Reid and he's all for it. Man, I'm just so happy that somebody with the clientele and the prestige that Senator McCain and Senator Reid would even think to care for a man -- 114 years ago this happened. And the thing that people are still caring about it. And I think posthumously, it's a wonderful thing.

LEMON: Yes. Obviously you have to be able to relate to this man in some way.

TYSON: Yes, and not even a little bit. Jack Johnson was by himself. I had the NAACP. I had so many black organizations. I had white organizations. I have white, powerful lawyers taking care of me. I'm a multi-multimillionaire when I'm going through my problem.

Jack Johnson is by himself, he has a few preachers. And Jack Johnson, he was totally against the black power movement and all that stuff. He was about getting it for ourselves, you know, because he was never accustomed to black people sticking together. All (inaudible) to the history of black America, that blacks were never strong and sticking together, so they never trusted each other. He did it by himself. He didn't have a congregation. He didn't have Marcus Garvey. He didn't have no groups or anything. He was by himself. And that shows the greatest courage.

Now listen, Don, he's in the ring, Don, and there's 50,000 white people, Don, that are saying I'm going to kill you after the ring. I'm going to put you on (inaudible) bullet.

And he's in the ring (inaudible) torturing the guy, laughing at the people while he's doing it and saying, well, when you come out you all need a lynching and -- excuse me, Don, but you know -- but he's in the ring fighting these guys while they're saying this to him. He's saying have a good day and talking to the whites, beating this guy up and they're threatening his life.

LEMON: Hey, listen, thank you. You're a good sport. We appreciate you coming on. And good luck with this. Let us know how it turns out. Will you come back and talk to us when it's all over?

TYSON: All love, brother.


LEMON: Next, it's been nearly four years since Michael Jackson died. A civil suit over his death is about to begin. Will his oldest son have to take the stand and testify?


LEMON: It's hard to believe it's been four years but it has. And nearly four years after Michael Jackson's death, his own children could take the stand in the family's lawsuit against the concert promoter. The Jacksons blame the company AEG Live for hiring the doctor convicted in Jackson's wrongful death, Conrad Murray.

But the promoter counters Murray had been with the star years before its deal with the King of Pop.



LEMON (voice-over): Michael's children could end up playing a major role in this case; 16-year-old Prince, the oldest, is on the witness list and has already testified during depositions, stating that he was intimately involved in his father's affairs.

ALAN DUKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: When Prince Jackson gets up on the witness stand, it will be a very dramatic time. Prince has not publicly talked about his father's last days. But I believe we will hear him tell us what his father told him about what was happening, his concerns, his worries and who he thought he couldn't trust.

LEMON (voice-over): According to testimony in Conrad Murray's criminal trial, the kids saw their father as he lay lifeless in his bedroom.

The kids have been through a lot of ups and downs since their father's death. During the trial, Prince and Paris may even be called to testify.

LEMON: Michael Jackson's children can be called to the stand to testify?

MARVIN PUTNAM, AEG LIVE ATTORNEY: Not by us. I think we have been told that they will be called by plaintiffs. I can't understand why bringing them to the stand has anything to do with whether or not Dr. Conrad Murray was hired by AEG or hired negligently. But perhaps they're bringing them to the stand for different reasons.

LEMON (voice-over): The judge has decided to allow Jackson's history of drug use and accusations of child molestation to be introduced at trial.

PUTNAM: Mr. Jackson was a grown man. And, as a grown man, he knew precisely what he was doing, because there's a certain assumption of risk here, as there often is with an adult and an addict.

And so that's why the drug abuse could be relative. And related to that, many people in Mr. Jackson's life have indicated that one of the reasons for his ongoing addiction, one of the places where it became really, really a problem for him was in 1993, around the time of the first accusations about him and the young boy, and then again later in mid-2000, around the time of his trial.

It was a ruling the judge made and I'm not going to comment on that either way. But I understand the rationale behind the judge's ruling.


LEMON: And make sure you stay with CNN for "Michael Jackson: The Final Days." And his first interview from behind bars, the man sent to prison for Jackson's death, Dr. Conrad Murray, gives his side of the events. My special report, "Michael Jackson: The Final Days," it airs tonight 9:00 Eastern on CNN. And we'll continue the conversation at 10:00 pm as well.

One Texas County, three murders and zero suspects: somebody is killing prosecutors in Kaufman County; a full report on where the investigation stands right now coming up.



LEMON: More possible remains were found this week from the 9/11 attack.


LEMON (voice-over): Workers are using new technology to sift through debris at the from the World Trade Center site. They recovered a total of 59 possible remains this week. More than 1,000 people killed in New York on 9/11 have not been identified. This is the first search for human remains in three years and it's expected to last 8-10 weeks.

A father took a wrong turn on a boating trip and got his family stuck in the Florida Everglades. The man, his wife and three young boys spent a night on a swampy wilderness after a boat got stuck Thursday in dense vegetation. Later the family blew air horns and whistles. The noise led rescuers to them. All five family members are OK.


LEMON: The gun store that sold the assault weapon used in the Sandy Hook massacre has lost its federal firearms license.


LEMON (voice-over): Riverview Gun Sales is about 65 miles from Newtown, Connecticut. The Bushmaster 223 semiautomatic was bought by Adam Lanza's mother two years ago. Federal agents raided the gun store six days after the 26 children and adults were shot to death. The ATF did not say why the federal license was revoked.


LEMON: Near Dallas, Texas, this weekend investigators are stumped in the wake of two violation deaths.


LEMON (voice-over): Both people killed were prominent prosecutors, one of them a district attorney, shot dead in his home. Right now police have some theories but no arrests. CNN's Martin Savidge is in Kaufman, Texas, tonight.


MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Don, it was one week ago that the district attorney in Kaufman County and his wife were both found murdered inside their home.

Today the McClelland family -- that is the children -- they held a news conference. And speaking out through a family spokesperson, were very critical, very emotional and very angry at the way this investigation is being handled.

They say that it goes all the way back to the original murder here in this county of the chief prosecutor. That was Mark Hasse, back at the end of January. And they say that their father had concerns at that time that this county didn't have the resources to, one, carry out the investigation and, two, try to protect law enforcement and government officials here.

Here's how it was summed up at the news conference today. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS HEISLER, SPOKESMAN FOR THE MCLELLAND CHILDREN: Not enough is being done. They're on edge right now. If someone is willing to come out and shoot the district attorney and his wife in their home, obviously their mindset is, you know, anything else is possible.

SAVIDGE: Now, remember, this is a family that has gone through an incredible tragedy, but at the same time they're obviously very afraid because no one has been arrested in this investigation. And you have had three murders so far. It has shocked this area and it clearly has the family, the McClelland family, fearing for their own lives.

Meanwhile, what they're asking for is they would like to see the federal government step in. The Feds were already here in the form of FBI, but they would like to see more federal involvement. In fact, they'd like to see the Feds take the lead in the investigation so that local law enforcement could handle the issue of providing security.

They have a lot of concerns and a lot of emotion and it is all coming to a boil. Don?

LEMON: All right, Martin. Thank you very much.

Imagine watching live TV anywhere you want to. A judge's new ruling, a big surprise to some, may have brought that closer to you and the networks. They are not happy. That's ahead.

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LEMON: This weekend UFOs and alien abductions have a new home in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.


LEMON (voice-over): It's the grand opening of Encounters UFO Experience. But it's not the first of its kind in the state. A smaller version has been welcoming visitors wherever they might be from for years now, created by a man who says he once had close encounters with aliens.


Aliens can fly from the north or the south and just land in the parking lot.

And come and chitchat with me, guys.

LEMON (voice-over): Well, Jody Pendarvis built his welcome center in the early 1990s. He says outer space visitors did drop by in 1999 and he sounds like he misses them.


LEMON: The way we use money has changed a lot. Today many of us only use debit cards. Some even have their phones linked to a bank account. Bitcoins get rid of the bank altogether. It is a virtual currency used mainly online. But stores are popping up that take them. And soon special ATMs in Los Angeles and Cyprus will let you convert between real currency and Bitcoins.

How weird do get Bitcoins get? Nobody even knows who even created them in the first place. But after the Cyprus banking collapse, the Bitcoin is on the rise now.

What if you really could watch TV every day anywhere? Our Zain Asher says one company called Aereo is already doing that.


ZAIN ASHER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For $80 a year, Aereo will let you stream live TV from network stations like ABC and NBC straight onto your phone or iPad, all day, every day.

JOHN BERGMAYER, SR. STAFF ATTORNEY, PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE: There's a lot of demand for people to be able to access content over their computers in a more flexible way. People want to pay less.

ASHER (voice-over): It works by using these tiny antennae, about the size of a dime, to captures broadcast signals. It's precisely the reason the network giants are having trouble sleeping.

In a statement, the National Association of Broadcasters called Aereo's operations illegal, agreeing with other critics who called it a sham.

BERGMAYER: This is a controversial service for sure. And the legal fight isn't done.

ASHER (voice-over): Networks say the startup has found a clever way to make money from content it doesn't own. But lucky for Aereo, David is winning against Goliath. On Monday, a U.S. appeals court found that Aereo's technology violated no copyright laws, a huge blow to the 17 network broadcasters who had hoped it would retreat back into its cave.


LEMON: All right. Our thanks to Zain Asher.

CNNMoney's tech -- I screw that up every time.

CNNMoney's tech expert Laurie Segall --



LEMON: (Inaudible) there it is. Yes, I guess I should slow down.

Now to the court of appeals sided with Aereo. They are expanding. What does that mean for the viewer at home, Laurie?

SIEGEL: It means a lot of things, Don. I mean, this is a pretty big ruling because a lot of the big giants wanted to take this company down because essentially they are letting people access their content and not paying them for it.

But essentially this means people in more than 22 cities around the United States can access this kind of content from their mobile devices. They can get it on their tablets. They don't have to be sitting in front of a TV to watch many of the shows they watch on a regular basis.

And the payment model's interesting. They've got a subscription payment model where you can pay $1 on demand. You can pay $8 a month and so really this -- and they can also hook this up to Apple TV, Arauca (ph), that kind of thing. So it's really kind of shaking up the traditional television world as we know it, Don.

LEMON: OK. This reminds me of the battle -- I don't know if you're old enough to remember it -- Napster had years ago with the music industry. That did not ultimately turn out great for those guys. Are broadcasters are coming up with their own plan here?

SIEGEL: Yes, I am old enough. I do remember this. And it was huge because, you know, what Sean Parker at Napster, what they did was completely disrupt the traditional music industry.

So I think when it comes down to it, this is very -- this sounds very familiar. You know, you've got the big guys really worried about this. And it ended up Napster, that kind of failed, but they created Spotify eventually, which had that subscription model and it ended up working. So it's about everyone getting together.

And it's about this traditional industry being disrupted.

We actually spoke to Aereo's CEO and we chatted him about disruption and how the Internet could disrupt television. Listen to what he had to say, Don.



CHET KANOJIA, AEREO CEO: To recast, to really recreate the model for the industry, which is still, frankly, from a business and how they deal with consumers stuck in the '60s, to bring it to the Internet era. And that's the one thing that's missing -- there's lots of things missing, but the one key media point that's missing in -- on the Internet is television.


SIEGEL: And Don, you know, Bloomberg has partnered up with Aereo. You've got TimeWarner has TV everywhere, which allows you to access -- you know, so you can watch CNN on the go. So it's not like us big guys -- we are not completely ignoring all of the disruption happening. But it's about innovating and really trying to pushing forward.

LEMON: Laurie Siegel, always a pleasure, thank you.

SIEGEL: Thank you.

LEMON: It must be embarrassing for a nation once known for being a destination for European criminals to have this guy, who some are calling Australia's dumbest crook. That story is next.


LEMON: What separates a world class purse snatcher from the town idiot? Apparently a very clean pane of glass. Here's CNN's Jeanne Moos.


JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Call it the glass half-empty approach to purse snatching. In Australia, they're calling him...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The country's dumbest crook.

MOOS (voice-over): Here he is following a woman in a shopping center. He grabs her bag and heads for the door, heads through the glass door. He's momentarily knocked out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a lot of blood around. There was a lot of glass shards around. So I mean, I'd say he'd have to go to hospital after that.

MOOS (voice-over): An apparent accomplice arrives. As he drags away the alleged purse snatcher, a tattoo store owner tries to stop him but eventually backs off when the accomplice threatens him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said, "I've got a gun. I've got a gun, and I'm going to shoot you. I'm going to shoot you."

MOOS (voice-over): The two escape in a stolen car. But they can't escape infamy on the Internet.

MOOS: Why is it glass seems to be such an idiot magnet? It's almost as if it has some sort of gravitational pull.

MOOS (voice-over): Just last week security camera video of this genius surfaced.

At first, he forgot to put on his black pantyhose mask as he approached this mom-and-pop grocery store in Reading, California.

Police believe the pajamas featured little chickens. He sure acted chicken when the rock he threw set off an alarm. And then he tripped. Next thing you know his escapade is being put to music popularized by Benny Hill and "The Pink Panther."


MOOS (voice-over): One YouTuber even did a parody re-enactment.


MOOS (voice-over): When man meets glass, glass usually wins, for instance, when air rage over missing two flights caused this Chinese executive to try to batter his way onboard.

Maybe glass is tough enough to be used by Virgin Atlantic Airways for glass-bottomed planes. That's what Virgin announced it was launching. Might make the walk to the restroom less than restful. But turns out it's just April Fool's, though not as big a fool as this guy -- Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.


LEMON: Idiot. Aw.

All right. OK, so set your DVRs and join me tonight at 10:00. Public opinion in favor of legalizing marijuana is at an all-time high.


LEMON (voice-over): For the first time people who say marijuana should be legal outnumber those who say it shouldn't be. A few months ago Colorado, Washington State voters made pot legal. At 10:00 Eastern, we'll talk with a former judge in Denver. He helped get pot legal in Colorado. We'll get his take. Is the U.S. about to become a pot nation? Tonight at 10:00 Eastern.


LEMON: We shall see.

I'm Don Lemon at the CNN World Headquarters in Atlanta. I'm going to see you back here at 10:00 pm Eastern. Make sure you join me.

In the meantime, "The Justin Timberlake Experience" begins right now.