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AROUND THE WORLD
6.3 Earthquake Rocks Iran; Abducted Boys in Cuba; Air Turbulence to Get Worse; Following an Iconic Flag, Halle Berry, Michael Kors Team Up to Fight World Hunger
Aired April 9, 2013 - 12:30 ET
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to AROUND THE WORLD.
A powerful earthquake hit southern Iran today. State-run television reports at least 20 people were killed, 500 injured. This is huge. The quake had a magnitude of 6.3, centered about 55 miles southeast of Bushehr.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Now here's where it gets a little complicated. That's actually home to a nuclear plant
But Iranian press TV says officials at that plant reported no problems. At least three strong aftershocks have hit the area.
The quake was actually felt as far away as our CNN bureau in Dubai, as well as in Qatar and in Bahrain.
MALVEAUX: Iran thumbing its nose at nuclear negotiators announcing it has opened a new uranium processing site.
Today's announcement comes just two days after nuclear talks with world leaders essentially went nowhere.
The U.S. and other countries suspect that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. Iran says that the program is simply to provide energy.
HOLMES: In Brazil police say they have arrested a fourth person in connection with that rape of an American woman and the beating and robbery of her French boyfriend. The attack happened on a mini-bus late last month.
Now a 13-year-old boy charged in that case.
MALVEAUX: He is accused of helping steal the tourist's credit cards.
North Korea issuing an ominous new warning today, this time directed at foreigners in South Korea.
Now the North is telling them to prepare in case there is an all-out war. This is the message.
HOLMES: Yeah, it has been running on state-run media. It urges foreigners to find shelter or get out of South Korea altogether.
The North says it doesn't want them to get caught up in a conflict if war breaks out.
MALVEAUX: So North Korea making good on a threat to at least pull its workers out of this industrial site that it operates in cooperation with South Korea.
That means 50,000 workers did not show up today.
And South Korean workers have been blocked from the site since last week.
This is really their only opportunity to work together and that has been cut off now.
HOLMES: All right, I want to update you on the breaking news out of Cuba meanwhile.
CNN confirming that two abducted boys from Florida are in Havana. Our own Patrick Oppmann seeing them with his own eyes.
MALVEAUX: Police say the two-year-old -- this is Chase Hakken -- and his four-year-old brother Cole were kidnapped by their father. He tied up the grandmother, then fled with the kids and his wife.
We know that our own Patrick Oppmann actually saw these kids -- at least one of the kids -- in a boat when it arrived in Havana. That was in a marina.
All of this, of course, taking place after what took place in New Orleans. That is when previously child welfare officials removed these boys from the parents' custody.
HOLMES: And then there was the abduction at their grandmother's home in Florida. Today, of course, we find them in Cuba.
We are going to get Patrick Oppmann back on the phone in a few moments to talk a little bit more about that and what he actually physically saw. He went down to the marina and saw the boat and saw one of the kids and the dad.
MALVEAUX: The whole thing. OK, we're going to have more on that in a bit.
Also we are following this story. This is, of course, flying about to get a lot bumpier here.
We are talking about crossing the Atlantic, one study saying that it is going to be pretty rough.
MALVEAUX: Want to update you, breaking news out of Cuba now, CNN confirming that the two abducted boys from Florida are now in Havana. Our Patrick Oppmann, he is joining us live from Havana. I know there is a little bit of a delay here, but you have actually set your sights. You have seen these boys yourself as well as this family at the marina.
Can you describe that moment? What happened?
PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, it was a little surreal because we went into this marina. It's the largest sort of tourist marina. You see a lot of boats from around the world, some nice yachts, some very small sailboats.
But the smallest boat that we saw in this marina belonged to the Hakkens. This is The Salty that we've seen so many images of now from the Hillsborough County sheriff's website.
Looked exactly the same, maybe a little bit more beat up. It has been rough here as of late and, such a small boat, I can't imagine the journey across the Straits of Florida.
But as we were driving around, we got to the last slip in the marina and there it was. And I knew we were in the right place because we started filming and immediately out of the bushes came security guys, Cuban security, some of them with side arms which they, thankfully, did not take out. And they told us to stop filming immediately.
But we did get some shots of the boat, got some shots of a small boy playing on the deck of that boat.
If you didn't know that these people were fugitives from U.S. justice, you would never have thought. They just really blended into the environment so well.
And then I was able to approach Josh Hakken and asked him if he wanted to talk to us. He confirmed who he was, but he said he didn't want to talk.
He seemed very, very angry. He was sitting down in the boat, really sort of glaring at me through his sunglasses.
And finally I talked to his wife, Sharyn, and I said, people are very worried. I only see one boy here. Do you have both your sons with you? Are they both OK?
And she said, yes. That was the only thing she said to me, and then I left. I was asked to leave by the security officials there.
And it was really quite a bizarre, strange and probably appropriate to being in Cuba that you would just find these people there by the side of the water without ever knowing that they are the center of an international manhunt.
HOLMES: And I know we've got a delay here on the line to you, Patrick, but I've got to ask you about the Cuban government's position here. It must be awkward for them, to say the least. Have they said anything? OPPMANN: You know, they haven't said anything officially, but we are hearing through sources that there is actually quite a bit of back and forth going on, information sharing, very rare information sharing going on between the Cuban and U.S. governments.
You know, there used to be an extradition treaty between the United States and Cuba, but after the revolution, Cuba insisted that some of the Batista officials who had fled were returned. They never were.
And then, of course, in the '60s and '70s, it seemed like every other week an airliner was being hijacked in Cuba and many of those skyjackers were never sent back. They're still here.
Every now and then, you might even bump into one. They are usually guys who speak English too well to be Cuba and Spanish not well enough to be Cuban.
So, you know, right now the Cuban government and U.S. government have got to get their heads together. It seems like that's happening, but nothing really moves that quickly.
And this family doesn't appear to be in custody. They are certainly under guard. They're certainly being watched. But they're not in jail. They're allowed to be on their sailboat.
So what happens next? How long are they going to be there at the marina? How would they be sent back?
And officials are telling us their main concern is they don't feel that these children are safe in the custody of their parents.
They feel that the parents are not good parents to say the least, the kind of parents who would abduct their children, put them on a boat, go on this very dangerous journey.
So officials are telling us there is a lot of concern about how these kids are doing, getting these kids access to some sort of consular official.
We understand that has not happened yet, but certainly the U.S. is pushing for that kind of access to confirm that these children are OK.
HOLMES: Right, Patrick, thanks so much. Good work. Patrick Oppmann there on the trail there in Havana.
MALVEAUX: That's the only good news is that the kids are OK.
But, yeah, with these charges, losing custody over drugs and guns and this other thing, you really want to keep a close eye on what is happening.
HOLMES: You'd think our two countries would need to interact to get the kids back. You wouldn't think these two, Cuba and the U.S.
And, of course, we are talking about traveling, as well, across Europe. Might want to tighten your seat belt a little bit.
HOLMES: Yes, hold on to your drinkies. There could be a lot more turbulence ahead for flights across the Atlantic.
A new study says flights between North America and Europe are already experiencing stronger headwinds and guess what? It's only going to get worse.
MALVEAUX: All right, so let's ask Richard Quest in London about this. You fly all the time, yes? What -- are you ready?
RICHARD QUEST, HOST, CNN INTERNATIONAL'S "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS": Now, let's get rid of the fact and the fiction here.
The survey says that because of global warming the amount of disturbance in the so-called jet stream is going to increase. And that is what is going to make it more turbulent, but it is not going to happen tonight or indeed next week.
They're talking about a time period of the middle of the century when this is going to be anywhere between 40 percent to 160 percent more turbulence.
Now if my camera just widens out a bit, I can explain if we've got a second -- I can explain exactly how this happens.
Imagine this is the sort of the area where you're flying on and in comes your plane at about 31,000 feet. What happens at the moment, of course, is the convection and it gets hit by the jet stream if it's going eastbound or it's in headwinds if it's going westbound.
And what they say is that this bit is going to become much more turbulent which is why the plane will enjoy, or experience, a lot more turbulence as it is flying.
Planes are built for turbulence. Let's get that clear. Planes are built for turbulence, but it will certainly make for a more rocky ride in the future.
HOLMES: And in 40 years, and you are the aviation man -- he's a man of many talents, as well as props, you know. He -- you will probably be able to answer this.
In 40 years or something, aren't we going to be flying sort of almost in space?
QUEST: No. Does that answer your question?
HOLMES: That was the shortest answer you've ever given.
QUEST: No. Well, look, no, they're not, because of the cost involved, the fuel involved, the whole -- even the concept of (inaudible), or ballistic flying, is still a long way off.
Remember we haven't even got supersonic flight. It is all about weight versus fuel burn and all these sort of issues, so we are a very long way off anything like that.
And, remember, the planes that we are seeing coming online now, the A380, the A350, which will be coming, the 787, which may be flying within the next 30 days or two months, these planes will still be around in 10, 15, 20 years time.
So we are already seeing the generation of aircraft that will be susceptible, perhaps, to these new -- I like doing this -- these new, much more strong turbulence across the Atlantic.
HOLMES: He does.
MALVEAUX: Have you ever noticed?
HOLMES: Hit your bell. I bet you probably don't have the bell there.
MALVEAUX: I want to bring in Chad here. Thank you, Richard.
I want to bring in Chad Myers here to talk about the science behind all of it. So what do we know? Is this connected to climate change?
CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: That is what they are putting it together with, and let me explain why that makes sense, and, if this climate change model, works why this all happens.
We're talking about clear air turbulence. You're flying along. There is not a cloud in the sky. All of the sudden, the plane drops or it goes up. It's because the jet stream's going across, like Richard said. But there are little eddies in the jet stream, little, little loops, up here, maybe even up here, that would make you drop or go up, go down, depending on if you get into one of those eddies. The jet stream currently is from about New York City right on back into central parts of France. There you go. That is where the jet stream is now without global warming.
The forecast for this model says the jet stream will move to the north with global warming because there will be more warm air down here, and if you move the jet stream to the north, well, guess what? That's where the planes fly. So if the planes are flying in the new location of the jet stream, therefore the planes will get into a bumpier flight.
What they are going to have to do, it will take longer, it will burn more fuel. If the jet stream is eventually here, the planes will have to fly farther to the north or farther to the south to stay out of that bumpiness. That's the whole kit and caboodle in a nutshell. The jet stream is going to move where the planes are flying now.
HOLMES: Yeah, and that's a longer distance, so it will be more fuel. Everything will be more expensive.Chad, thanks very much. Richard Quest, still there. Good to see you both. Thanks.
MALVEAUX: All right, you might remember this video. This was 10 years ago today. This was Baghdad, of course. A group of U.S. Marines putting an American flag on top of a statue of Saddam Hussein. HOLMES: Yes, now that flag, the flag, is at the center of a controversy. We'll speak to a Marine who actually has that flag. That's coming up.
MALVEAUX: It became one of the most iconic images of the Iraq War. And, of course, you probably remember this. This is a U.S. Marine covering up a statue of Saddam Hussein with an American flag. Well, that happened 10 years ago today.
MALVEAUX: Incredible, 10 years. Tim McLaughlin was one of the Marines who was present that day. It was his flag that was used on the statue. It's not him actually wielding it. He's now an attorney. He joins us now.
And, Tim, it's an extraordinary story that you tell. How does your flag end up covering the statue's face?
TIMOTHY MCLAUGHLIN, FORMER U.S. MARINE: Well, I think one of the things that you have to keep in mind is that the Marine Corps is an incredibly patriotic service. And we love our country. We love our Marine Corps flag. We love our American flag. So for a young Marine to have an American flag with him wasn't that unusual. And I tried to get a picture for myself a few times in Iraq. I got shot at once and knocked a flagpole down another time.
So when we arrived in April 9th in Firdos Square, we weren't getting shot at. So my company commander said, hey, Matt, go get your flag. We'll get a picture for you, you know, I don't think what we perceived at the time was that the world was watching.
HOLMES: Live actually, yes.
MALVEAUX: Tim -- could you imagine, Tim, that that moment became such an iconic moment for people here in the United States and for around the world in what this could possibly mean for getting rid of Saddam Hussein?
MCLAUGHLIN: Well, you know, I don't -- I don't think we thought about that at the time, although, 10 years later, I certainly understand the symbolism that attaches to the flag. But for me, the days leading up to that was people dying on the good guy and bad guy side. And following that, Corporal Gonzalez (ph) and Corporal Milio (ph) dying. Those are the things that I remember. Keep in mind, I wasn't at home watching that image on TV.
MALVEAUX: Sure. Sure.
HOLMES: Now you found out some time later, apparently when you saw newspaper clippings, I'm sure you were shocked about it. What's next for that flag? What happens to that flag?
MCLAUGHLIN: Yes. So when I came home, I just put it away because, for me, it's just my flag. And stories attach to it non-stop. Nothing is next to the flag. It stays with me. I don't have any plans for it. I talked to the Marine Corps Museum six or seven years ago and just kind of didn't follow up with one another. But there is no plan for it. It's just a symbol that the rest of the world has.
HOLMES: Yes, not a symbol for you. And I understand that. Tim --
HOLMES: Yes, no. And I -- yes, and I read an article about it all and understand what you mean. It wasn't for you what it was for other people in the world.
Tim, we'll leave it there. Tim McLaughlin, really appreciate your time. And it's quite a tale.
MALVEAUX: I mean it was one of those things, too, where at least from the vantage point, being inside the United States at the White House, it was a proud moment.
MALVEAUX: It was an iconic moment. You experience in a very different way from the ground in Kuwait, right?
HOLMES: I was anchoring live when that happened on CNN International. I remember it so clearly. And there were those of us there who didn't see it the way that others saw it, as this moment of victory. My immediate reaction was, how is this going to be seen and perceived in the Arab world. It was one of those things that, you know, the difference between liberation versus conquest --
HOLMES: And rubbing the American flag into the face of even a dictator, a horrible dictator, could have been and would have been misused. And it was in some areas. These are actually photographs of our journey up. We left Kuwait the day after that statue came down with the first MEF (ph). There we are actually sitting on the statue.
MALVEAUX: On that statue.
HOLMES: In Firdos Square. We've blurred the face of our security guy at the time. That was the remnants of it. We went up with the first MEF to Baghdad. Got up there the next day. And, yes, it was an iconic moment, but it was one that meant different things to different people. It meant one thing to the U.S., it meant one thing to those Marines, who never saw it as being some big --
MALVEAUX: Yes, they just wanted a photo.
HOLMES: They wanted a photo.
MALVEAUX: They were just getting a photo op there.
HOLMES: They did not know that the media was filming this -- not just filming it, but filming it live.
HOLMES: This was going out to the world. They had no clue.
MALVEAUX: And it was -- I mean it's a huge symbol. I mean it really -- it weighed so much. And, of course, the president as well.
MALVEAUX: Thank you.
HOLMES: Yes, it was certainly an interesting time, that's for sure.
MALVEAUX: We're switching gears.
HOLMES: Oh, boy -- boy are we.
MALVEAUX: We are going to major switch here. We're talking to Halle Berry.
HOLMES: Halle Berry, yes.
MALVEAUX: She's teaming up with a famous designer to fight world hunger and she says she's inspired because she is also going to be a mom. That's right, she's pregnant again. CNN's exclusive interview, up next.
HOLMES: Welcome back. Oscar winner Halle Berry is teaming up with fashion designer Michael Kors to help raise awareness and cash to help fight hunger around the world. Noble cause.
MALVEAUX: So it's a pretty unique thing here.
HOLMES: Y Es.
MALVEAUX: This is a partnership. And it comes at a special time for Halle Berry. Because she has revealed she's 46, pregnant with her second child. They sat down with Alina Cho for an exclusive to talk all about it.
HALLE BERRY, ACTRESS/ACTIVIST: I feel fantastic. This has been the biggest surprise of my life, to tell you the truth.
ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Really?
BERRY: Thought I was kind of past the point where this could be a reality for me. So it's been a big surprise, and the most wonderful.
CHO: Is it a boy?
BERRY: I don't know. I don't know. But, healthy. Healthy. That's on my mind.
CHO: Halle, as a mother, what does it mean for you to be involved with the U.N. world food program? It's got to be amazing.
BERRY: Well, one of the statistics that really impacted me as I was doing my research about it, and especially now being a pregnant woman and already having a child, that it's so important what happens to the baby while they're in utero. And the first 1,000 days is fundamental. Good nutrition during that time period is fundamental for your baby to develop properly and normally.
CHO: When you look at the statistics and you see that one in eight people around the world doesn't have enough to eat --
MICHAEL KORS, FASHION DESIGNER: Goes to bed hungry.
BERRY: Yes. Yes.
KORS: That's -- it's insane.
BERRY: It's heartbreaking.
CHO: And, Michael, I know that you've been involved with fighting hunger for a very long time on the local level and now with the United Nations.
KORS: Uh-huh, exactly.
CHO: Why is this so near and dear to you?
KORS: I'm a guy who likes to see results. And, you know, you see that this is a solvable problem. The food is there. You can change someone's life immediately.
CHO: This is not a problem that requires a scientific breakthrough to solve that.
CHO: Like cancer.
CHO: It can be done.
KORS: Oh, yes.
CHO: So, what's it going to take?
KORS: Well, you know, first off, of course, we're here to raise --
BERRY: Exactly. People like us to raise awareness. KORS: We want to raise awareness. We want to make noise.
BERRY: And tell people to get off their butts and get involved.
BERRY: That this can be -- we can work together and we really can make a difference. It's not too big.
KORS: We can solve it. And everyone around the world can participate. I'm not a scientist, you know, I'm a fashion designer. So I wouldn't claim to be able to figure out, you know, a cure for an incurable disease. But I know that we can make a difference with this.
CHO: And you've also said that $50 will feed a child for an entire school year.
KORS: Well, it's crazy. Well, I mean, think about -- think about --
BERRY: A cup of coffee...
KORS: A cup of coffee. Here in New York City, a cappuccino is $5. That's going to feed a child in Africa for a month.
KORS: That's unbelievable.
CHO: It is unbelievable.
KORS: You know, so a teenager can be involved. Everyone can be involved. And, you know, when I think about, we've never actually designed a product that was strictly designed for philanthropic purposes.
CHO: So I want the big reveal. Show it to me.
KORS: The big reveal.
CHO: So it's the watch. And you have a special name for it, right?
KORS: Yes. This is our 100 series watch. Halle's going to --
BERRY: I'm going to be Vanna White.
KORS: She's going to Vanna it.
BERRY: You said it.
KORS: And --
BERRY: And if you buy this watch, this buys 100 meals. And I know when I did, I want to know, well what exactly -- where is my money going. And people often want to feel like, ok, if I buy that watch, does it really translate into food? And this does.
BERRY: And that, to me, is pretty -- pretty amazing.
CHO: What do you get out of it?
BERRY: Well, I feel really good. You know, that's so simplistic. We're helping others. But it gives me another reason to wake up. I'm a mom and that's first and foremost, but it gives me another reason to exist, another purpose. And if I know that I'm helping one person every day in some way, that really makes me feel good.
KORS: I think that what we can do and what we can accomplish is incredible.
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MALVEAUX: All right, good for them.
MALVEAUX: That's pretty cool stuff.
MALVEAUX: To learn more about the campaign and find out how you can help, go to cnn.com/impact.
HOLMES: Well, she has been one of the more visible faces in the fight for tighter gun control. But former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords says she still appreciates gun culture.
MALVEAUX: And next hour we're actually going to go to Giffords home in Arizona for an exclusive interview. That up next.
MALVEAUX: Award winning chef and author Anthony Bourdain, he's joins us and CNN. This is his first show, Sunday show. It's happening this weekend.
HOLMES: It is.
MALVEAUX: Are you excited?
HOLMES: I'm excited. I love this guy.
MALVEAUX: You're a huge fan, too.
HOLMES: I'm a big fan of his other show. And here he is, part of the family. This one's called "Parts Unknown." That's the name of the show. This weekend, Bourdain is going to take us inside Myanmar, where few have traveled at all because of the country's political troubles. Have a little preview here.