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AROUND THE WORLD
Anthony Bourdain Visits "Parts Unknown"; First Lady Talks Guns & Violence in Chicago; Chauffeur Says Poet Was Murdered; 14-Year-Old To Play In Masters
Aired April 10, 2013 - 12:30 ET
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to AROUND THE WORLD. Here are some stories we are following right now.
This is Seoul, South Korea. This is where people are now glued to their TV sets to get the latest information on the threat from north Korea.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: U.S. military sources now believe North Korean mobile ballistic missiles -- yes, plural, missiles -- are fueled up and ready to launch. Their targets and North Korea's intentions, well, that's the big question today. Nobody really knows for sure.
MALVEAUX: And in Iran, state-run media say that 37 people died, more than 850 injured after a strong earthquake hit the small coastal town of Kaki. Magnitude 6.1 earthquake was followed by four aftershocks. Happened near a large nuclear plant, but Iran saying that the plant was not damaged.
HOLMES: And in London, construction workers dug up a huge piece of history, bucket loads of stuff dating back to the Roman Empire, 2,000 years ago. We're talking about things like leather objects and coins and pieces of chariots -- yes, chariots -- all in very good condition, apparently.
MALVEAUX: Really cool. It goes back about six months. That's when the artifacts starting coming out of this construction site. This is at the art of London. This was -- used to be a bustling Roman city back in the day.
Well, since then, archaeologists now removing a whole museum's worth of priceless items out of the ground now. Amazing.
HOLMES: How would you like to find a chariot when you're digging up a construction site?
Yeah, historians are getting a better picture now, of course, about what daily life in London was like in the first century.
MALVEAUX: And celebrity chef, CNN show host, Anthony Bourdain traveling to places he has never gone before with CNN to sample the foods around the world. HOLMES: This is exciting. This Sunday, his premiere, CNN show "ANTHONY BOURDAIN: PARTS UNKNOWN," he's going to head to Myanmar -- or he has already -- a place few Westerners, of course, have gone, a country that shares border with Bangladesh, China and Thailand, but was closed off for so long.
MALVEAUX: Anthony Bourdain, joining us from New York. Great to see you. Welcome to CNN.
Explain to us. Show us how is this show different than what we've seen in the past.
ANTHONY BOURDAIN, "ANTHONY BOURDAIN: PARTS UNKNOWN": Well, for one, and I like to think I can make smarter TV here on CNN, but as well I can go -- I think most significantly I can go places like Myanmar, the Congo, Libya, countries that for various reasons would have been impossible for me on any other network.
So it's opened up the world for me in whole new ways.
HOLMES: Yeah, this Sunday you go to Myanmar, and I envy you. I always wanted to go to that place. We had a chance to meet up with a family here in Atlanta, actually, that immigrated from Myanmar, in some parts of the world still known as Burma, of course. And so they created a meal for us. I want you to watch it, Anthony, and get your reaction afterwards.
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JOSHUA WILLIAMS, MOVED TO U.S. IN 2009: This is lemon grass.
MALVEAUX: Joshua Williams moved to the U.S. in 2009 to start a new wife with his wife and two children, but remaining connected to his Burmese culture is important. And cooking is a way for him to do it.
WILLIAMS: And this is Burmese (INAUDIBLE). This is Burmese tea. And the noodles (INAUDIBLE).
This is (INAUDIBLE). This just for the color.
It gives you the smooth skin. In Burma, we used to say the word -- that the food is medicine and the medicine is our food.
Every single meal we have garlic, ginger, onion.
We serve with the bone all the time and we say the bone makes taste better.
MALVEAUX: He's making mohinga (ph), a fish soup with rice noodle and Burmese curry chicken with coconut rice.
In his home country, they pride themselves on the bold flavors they achieve. It becomes somewhat of a competition among the cooks.
WILLIAMS: Lots of Burmese food smell very strong, spicy.
In our culture, when you have a meal, if your dog (INAUDIBLE) -- no, you don't have a good meal.
MALVEAUX: William suggests that in Myanmar this meal would require a little more work and is not for the squeamish.
WILLIAMS: The whole chicken, the whole process, we do ourselves. But here it was so easy to do those things. We cook noodles separately and the soup separately.
MALVEAUX: The Burmese typically do not go out to eat. They prefer meals at home.
WILLIAMS: I stay with my grandma, so my grandma teach me since I was 12- or 13-years-old, so I know how to cook.
We eat a lot of spicy food. When we prepare the food, our shirts, our clothes are stained with those smells.
So American people would say, oh, those people are smelly.
We use the hands. That's culture. I don't know.
Inside the family, we use the round table and eat together.
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HOLMES: Yeah. By the way, did you ever -- we've got some here, by the way, Anthony. I'll bet you're jealous. I don't know if you tried this when you were there. Did you?
BOURDAIN: That is maybe the most popular everyday food of Myanmar. And it's so delicious. I'm so hungry and envious right now watching you guys.
HOLMES: It's good actually.
MALVEAUX: It is. It's a little salty, but it's good. Tell us about your trip because you were there. You were on the ground. You saw this all firsthand.
BOURDAIN: Well, it's a beautiful country, made all the more exciting by the knowledge that so few Westerners have seen it. This is an enormous land mass in Asia with an incredible history, incredibly beautiful, and yet they've been closed off to most of the world for almost 50 years, a pariah state. So there's that sense of -- you really feel fortunate to see a place that complex, that old, that beautiful, knowing that you're really one of the first to be able to show it to the world and one of the few who's been able to see it.
HOLMES: How did they view you, too? Because it works the other way around. I mean, as a journalist, I'd love to go there. We've had people go in and out occasionally, but you would is have been a rare sight.
BOURDAIN: It was extraordinary because, just two years ago, speaking to a western journalist would have put you in prison for an indeterminate amount of time. I was stunned by how open people were, how eager to talk to the camera, how frank they were with us, how freely they spoke. That's something very unusual in a situation where freedom of speech is such a recent thing.
MALVEAUX: You know, people have a ton of questions for you, and obviously we've been asking our viewers to weigh-in if they have anything they'd like to ask you just by tweeting.
So I want to read a couple of these if you want to address these.
MALVEAUX: This one, where did the best pork dish you've ever eaten come from?
HOLMES: And as a long-time viewer of yours, I know you like the pork.
BOURDAIN: Yes. Well, that's a tough one. I would say the whole roasted pig, the lechon, in the Philippines is as good as it gets with Balinese pork just a little bit behind.
HOLMES: We've got another one. Yeah, BadBoyTiar tweets -- that's an interesting handle, isn't it -- is it true when you were in Malaysia you did not try the durian?
I think I got that right.
BOURDAIN: Oh, no, no, no. That's the other guy. I love durian. It's an unspeakably foul-smelling, spiky, dinosaur-looking fruit that's illegal to bring on mass transportation or into your hotel room. It smells satanic, but the taste I find very delicious, kind of like a funky, custardy cheese.
HOLMES: And I've got to ask you, too. We mentioned it earlier. You went to Libya. What struck you about Libya? I'm just throwing everybody off by mentioning that, but what did you like about it?
BOURDAIN: Seeing what's essentially a whole new country, meeting these extraordinary kids who were just a week before the uprising were playing Playstation, were going to school in Montreal, working in Manchester, who went home and in the course of a few weeks became hardened guerilla fighters and managed to topple one of the worst dictators in the world, a guy who everyone thought they'd be living with forever.
These are kids, and skater boys, and young hipsters and indy music fans. It -- the shock and the surprise and the inspiration to me was to see who fought this war and who won it.
Libya has become an abstraction in the news, and I think we at least show who these people are.
MALVEAUX: And, Anthony, we both, Michael and I, we've traveled quite a bit. We were talking about some of the strangest foods we've ever had. I think I had zebra in Kenya. We were very curious as to what you -- what was the strangest thing that you've eaten?
BOURDAIN: Well, I don't know what strange means anymore. I've been traveling and eating so long. But I guess the most difficult are situations where the food is clearly old. It's funky. It's not clean. It's in an unhygienic situation and I just -- in order to get the scene that I want and to be a good guest, I have to take one for the team, you know? And I know there's going to be a long course of antibiotics in my future.
HOLMES: I remember when I covered the war in Libya with the Zintani rebels and one memorable dinner was camel stew, which was actually rather -- it was very good, actually, I must say.
MALVEAUX: Camel stew?
BOURDAIN: Yeah, camel's not bad.
All right, we've got to run. They're kicking us here to move along, but we could chat for hours, I'm sure.
MALVEAUX: Thank you very much. It's great to see you.
BOURDAIN: Thank you, guys.
MALVEAUX: We'll be watching. Of course, tune in to "PARTS UNKNOWN." It's this Sunday, 9:00 p.m. Eastern. Join Anthony Bourdain as his crew is traveling to Myanmar, Colombia, Libya, Peru, and many, many places.
HOLMES: Take me on the next episode, will you, Anthony? A pleasure to meet you. All right.
MALVEAUX: Now to Chicago, suffering from gun violence, more than most cities in the United States, really very tragic.
This hour, the First Lady, Michelle Obama, trying to do something -- something -- about this. She's in her hometown speaking to high school students. That's where we're going to go up live, next.
MALVEAUX: Tighter gun control, right now, she is attending a luncheon in Chicago on reducing gun violence among the city's young folks. We're going to take you live as soon as she starts speaking. And really, Michael, this is unbelievable because the violence in Chicago hitting close to home for the First Lady. This happened back in January, but they've seen a lot of violence.
HOLMES: Oh, exactly. Yeah, the story we're talking about is 15-year- old Hadiya Pendleton who was shot and killed just days after performing during the inauguration in Washington, that shooting happening just blocks from the Obama's Chicago home. That really does bring it home.
And just last month a six-month-old baby -- you'll remember this story, too --hit by a bullet and killed.
MALVEAUX: George Howell is at the event in Chicago. And, George, first of all tell us why the First Lady is getting involved in this.
I mean, she does so many different causes. You talk about health and fitness. And this is, you know, this is gun control. This is part of a much larger and perhaps more controversial issue and debate in our country.
GEORGE HOWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Suzanne, you're right. And, in many ways, she is stepping into political territory here, in many ways leveraging her own popularity. But when you hear what the First Lady has to say about this, it's an issue that's near and dear to her, as you mentioned, close to her own home here in Chicago.
So here in the next two hours, we're expecting the First Lady to take the stage here. There's a long line of people outside waiting to get in, and we're expecting a group of business leaders, of community leaders. The focus here is to encourage them to invest in programs for at-risk youth in Chicago, specifically on the South Side. Again, an area that is very important to the First Lady.
And we also know, Suzanne, that she will attend, she will visit, Harper High School, one of the most dangerous high schools in Chicago. Just last year, the last school year, this school alone lost 29 of its students to gun violence.
She plans to go to that high school really as inspiration to talk to students and faculty members to help encourage them through what is a very difficult, hard experience here in Chicago.
HOLMES: George, the statistics, of course, as you're aware, in Chicago on violence, just dreadful. Five-hundred-and-thirty-five people were killed last year. And that was up from 433, which was bad enough back in 2011.
As you said, she's going to this high school. That figure is just staggering, 29 current or former students were shot this year. What do people in that community think is the answer to stopping the violence? What is it that they want to see?
HOWELL: Michael, just the other day, for another story that I'm working on gang violence, I spoke to some people about, you know, what is important? What is it going to take? And they say it's simple. It's going to take investment in the community. It's going to take jobs. It's going to take opportunities. Right now a lot of people don't see those opportunities.
So, again, what we're seeing today, the First Lady coming here to encourage business leaders, community leaders to invest in the community. That is a first step, especially when you talk to people on the street about what it will take to curb, to change the problems that we see on Chicago streets.
HOLMES: All right, George, thanks very much. George Howell there in Chicago. MALVEAUX: And, of course, as soon as it starts, we're going to bring that to you live, the First Lady's remarks and her comments to the school, as well as the community.
A possible murder mystery we are following as well involving one of the world's best known poets, actually.
HOLMES: A great story, this. We're going to tell you why investigators are digging up Pablo Neruda's remains 40 years after he died.
MALVEAUX: He spent his life writing poetry, but his death sounds more like a murder mystery novel.
HOLMES: This is the Chilean poet Pablo Neruda. He was reported to have died of prostate cancer, but in recent years it was his chauffeur who offered up another theory involving an assassin, a lethal injection, and the Pinochet regime. Rafael Romo with that.
RAFAEL ROMO, CNN SENIOR LATIN AMERICAN AFFAIRS EDITOR: For Manuel Anaya, the question has become an obsession, did his boss and friend, poet Pablo Neruda, die of cancer back in 1973 or was he poisoned by Chili's military dictatorship. Their last conversation, he says, was very telling.
MANUEL ARAYA, NERUDA'S FORMER DRIVER (through translator): I asked what was happening and he said, oh, my friend, they gave me an injection and it hurts a lot. He told me he was desperate. He had a little red dot, as if he'd been stung by something. It was a little red stain very close to his heart.
ROMO: Araya says his suspicions were dismissed for almost four decades, but in 2011 the Chilean communist party demanded an investigation into Neruda's death.
EDUARDO CONTRERAS, COMMUNIST PARTY ATTORNEY (through translator): Neruda had become an iconic figure, capable of leading a large scale opposition movement against the dictatorship. He was an enemy and he became a target.
ROMO: Pablo Neruda died 12 days after a military coup ousted socialist president Salvador Allende, the poet's close friend. Neruda was a communist party member and spoke out against the coup and its leader, General Augusto Pinochet. Earlier this week, Neruda's body was exhumed.
MARIO CARROZA, CHILEAN JUDGE(through translator): I believe it is extremely important to get to the bottom of this and make a determination about the cause of death with the help of the latest technology.
ROMO: But even Neruda's family doubts he was poisoned. BERNARDO REYES, NERUDA'S GREAT-NEPHEW (through translator): The dictatorship didn't have anything to do with his death. Between 1973 and '76, there wasn't a single murder resulting from lethal injections of this type.
MALVEAUX: Rafael Romo joining us, as always.
Good to see you.
What do we know about the investigation? I mean, how soon will we actually have some answers about what was at the bottom of this?
ROMO: Not soon enough for a number of Chileans. It's expected to take a few months in the best of cases, maybe up to a year in the worst of cases. It's composed of 14 forensic experts, not only from Chile, ultimately the ministry of justice in Chile is in charge of this investigation, but there are experts from the United States, from Spain, from the U.K. and they are going to examine the body centimeter by centimeter trying to find out if there are any traces of any kind of poison.
The problem is that the body has been buried for 39 years. It's in an area where the level of saltiness, saltiness, in the soil is very high. So that might have erased any traces of poison that they could have. But the ministry of justice says, if there's any remote possibility that we may find what happened exactly to Pablo Neruda, it's worth launching the investigation.
HOLMES: He was that important, yes.
Good (INAUDIBLE). Good to see you. Rafael Romo here in the studio with us.
MALVEAUX: And he is the youngest golfer ever to play in the Masters. He is practicing now with Tiger Woods. Up next, we're going to introduce you to a 14-year-old boy who is now the talk of the golf world.
HOLMES: In the Masters.
MALVEAUX: Welcome back.
The Masters begins tomorrow. We all know Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy is going to be grabbing the headlines, but there's somebody else who might steal those (ph).
HOLMES: They will. Those headline stealers. That's right. But there's going to be one 14-year-old boy who will be getting his share of attention. We're talking about Guan Tianlang, who will be the youngest Masters player ever. He wasn't even born when Tiger Woods won the first of his Majors back in 1997. Wow.
MALVEAUX: Shane O'Donoghue, he is joining us from Augusta, Georgia.
Shane, another golf prodigy, yes?
SHANE O'DONOGHUE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Another golf prodigy and a record-breaker at that, Suzanne. It's amazing just to watch this kid play. The maturity that he's showing. Guan Tianlang is the name that's on everyone's lips. And we were very fortunate on Living Golf on CNN International to do a feature on him ahead of the Masters. And it's really attracted a lot of attention. Very positive attention as well because he's a fascinating kid.
He's been over in the states for the last three weeks. He's been acclimatizing. And he's here at Augusta and he is relishing every moment, playing with former champions like Ben Crenshaw. He's also been out with Tiger Woods.
And a lot of the top names have been talking very positively about his impact on the game and what he's doing for the growth of the game in China. But it was fascinating to listening to the top two players in the world talking about Guan's chances and what he should experience here at the Masters. I'm talking about Tiger Woods and first Rory McIlroy.
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RORY MCILROY, TWO-TIME MAJOR CHAMPION: You're playing in the Masters at 14. I mean, he could potentially play -- I mean, I don't know, 60 Masters. I don't know.
TIGER WOODS, FOUR-TIME MASTERS CHAMPION: When I was here, I was getting ready for, you know, midterms and things like that. So, you know, what's he doing? You know, books here or anything? Or it's just -- just golf? So, no, it was cool to see. I mean just the attitude and just the open mindedness. He's just taking it all in.
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O'DONOGHUE: It's just amazing, really, to Tiger Woods and Rory McIlroy both played here as teenagers but nothing as sensational as this. A 14-year-old from the Grandong (ph) province in China. And really you should go online and check it out, cnn.com/livinggolf for that exclusive feature. That showcases him at home with his parents and his evolution in golf, up to this point, at 14 years of age.
MALVEAUX: That's pretty awesome.
HOLMES: Shane O'Donoghue with a shameless plug of his own show. And do check it out, it is a great show.
MALVEAUX: We will check it out.
HOLMES: Yes, it's a good show.
MALVEAUX: Great, great story.
HOLMES: Yes. MALVEAUX: Well, we've all had bad experiences at restaurants, but if you ever imagine maybe it's your own fault?
HOLMES: Oh, no.
MALVEAUX: I went out to dinner last night with friends.
MALVEAUX: I had a great experience. But sometimes it's a little slow, right?
HOLMES: Why didn't you ask me?
MALVEAUX: Oh, I'm sorry.
HOLMES: All right. You got that next hour, right? How you should be sabotaging your night out, is that right?
MALVEAUX: Yes, that's right.
HOLMES: Yes, OK.
MALVEAUX: Big tease for the next hour.
MALVEAUX: Look at what is trending right now.
This is the 3Doodler, it is called. This is a pen that is being called the world's first 3D pen. Literally makes words and images that kind of jump off the page.
HOLMES: Yes, it's very cool, isn't it?
MALVEAUX: Look at that. I don't know, how does it work?
HOLMES: Well, it works like you actually heat up plastic inside that pen, if you like, and it comes out like that and immediately cools as soon as it hits the air and so it holds the shape that you've been doodling.