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Tsarnaev Captured; Red Sox Fans Get Emotional In Game Opening; How To Start The Emotional Healing Process; Virginia Tech Shooting Survivor Develops App To Help People "Live Safe"
Aired April 20, 2013 - 15:00 ET
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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to the NEWSROOM, everyone. Live in Boston where there's finally relief after the last suspect in the Boston marathon terror attack was arrested in dramatic capture. You saw it last night.
It is what we all wanted to know since that horrible moment Monday afternoon, police now say it looks like the two Boston marathon bombing suspects acted alone, that's what they believe at this point in the investigation. The investigation is still in high gear, with four people dead, and almost 200 injured, the final moments of the capture will be in people's memories for some time to come.
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LEMON: A hail of bullets rang out as the last suspect, 19-year- old, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev held off police in a Watertown, Massachusetts neighborhood in a backyard last night. We have learned from University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth officials that he was on campus every day after the attack until late Thursday, even attending classes, as well as parties in dorms during that period. And, of course, now he is in custody in a Boston hospital under heavy guard.
We are also remembering the four people who were killed, three at the marathon Monday and the MIT officer killed during a shootout with the two suspects.
With the hunt over for the suspects, we are focusing on the full puzzle here on CNN. How is it that two brothers described by many as normal are now suspected of horrific terrorist bombings?
We want to head first to CNN's Susan Candiotti. She is at the center of it all of this in Watertown, Massachusetts.
So what has the Watertown police chief been saying about the investigation and last night's take down, Susan?
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Don.
We are getting more details from the chief about what happened and just to show you that things are still happening out here, we can show you still have the crime scene tape up here. The house that we're talking about is way at the end of the street. Behind that house is the boat where all of the high drama unfolded last night. Remember, there's a boat back there. And at this hour, they're looking for remnants of ammunition that might have been left behind, any explosives that might be there, any belongings that the suspect may have left there.
We don't know how long authorities will be out here. But, we do know this. It was a dramatic scene as I indicated last night as police converged on the scene. They didn't find him after looking all day. It was when a man was behind his house taking a walk when he noticed blood on the tarp covering the boat and called authorities. They came out. But first sent overhead, some thermal imaging equipment inside a state police helicopter to determine, in fact, there appeared to be somebody there. They had a robot come up, lift up the tarp, saw that he was there, converged on the scene, telling him come out on your own terms, but they were very worried as they approached that he still might have some bombs on his body.
Here is what the chief told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.
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CHIEF EDWARD DEVEAU, WATERTOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT: That was our major concern. That's why no one wanted to go near him until we could get him to understand we needed him to lift his shirt up to see his chest where we felt comfortable to send some people in to take him into custody.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Did he do that?
DEVEAU: Yes, eventually, over a long period of time, 20 to 30 minutes, finally got him to do that.
BLITZER: So, he had no explosives with him in the boat, as far as you know?
DEVEAU: On his person. Haven't gotten into the boat, it is a decent sized boat, so we don't know what else is in there.
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CANDIOTTI: Now, the question among, of course, among many of them, is what will this man be charged with, the suspect in this case, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. We don't know yet, but we do know this. We know that at this hour according to a justice department official, prosecutors are working on those charges. It is possible that we might get some filed as soon as today. We don't know the answer to that just yet, but there's a lot yet that need to be learn about the case, that's for sure, Don.
LEMON: Hey Susan, before you move on, I want to know about possible arraignment for the suspect. He is, you know obviously in the hospital, very serious condition. What about arraignment?
CANDIOTTI: That's right. Well, of course, because he is not in a situation where he can easily face a judge at this time, we don't even know for sure and it is a good question whether he is able to cooperate because we know he is in serious condition and that's all we know. So, if he is talking with them, they still have to work out, the prosecutors, what he will be charged with, before they can even think about an arraignment. And so it is kind one step at a time.
But certainly, the court would be here in Boston, that's where he would face an initial appearance and all of that has yet to be worked out -- Don.
LEMON: All right, Susan Candiotti in Watertown, Massachusetts.
Susan, thank you.
We just heard a bit from the Watertown police chief. Here is more of his conversation with our Wolf Blitzer about how the take down happened.
Take a listen.
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DEVEAU: We had a couple thousand police officers on scene, the turnout was just incredible, the support that we got from the state and from the region. So, we had the tactical people to be able to close the scene down and secure it. And we did take our time to make sure that everybody was safe in the neighborhood. Eventually, we had to use flash bangs to render the subject --
BLITZER: Tell us what a flash bang is.
CANDIOTTI: It is a loud compression that would stun somebody a short period of time. We began negotiations slowly over 15, 20 minute period, we were able to get him to stand up and show us that he didn't have a device on him.
BLITZER: So he's lying in this boat. He has been there for several hours. He is wounded clearly, right, he is bleeding.
BLITZER: He is obviously weak. You come over there, and what do you say to him? You have a bull horn, you start saying come out with your hand up?
DEVEAU: We had a negotiator, he was actually on the second floor of the house looking down at the boat.
BLITZER: You could see it.
DEVEAU: No, we couldn't see it. There was a plastic top over them. We had the state police helicopter that could tell us when there was movement in the boat by the heat sensor. So, we can tell he was alive and moving. We could begin negotiations that way. And over a long period of time, we were able to finally get him to surrender.
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LEMON: And right now, there's a heavy police presence inside Boston's Beth Israel deaconess medical center. That's where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is recovering after being seriously injured. I want to head now to our senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen. She is standing right outside that hospital.
Elizabeth, federal prosecutors are inside. Could the suspect be charged as early as today?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: You know what, Don, I think today might be unlikely, but an official from the justice department did tell our colleague Pamela Brown that there could be charges brought before he leaves the hospital. He is in serious condition, which means that, you know, he's still got a ways to go. So he could be here for a little while --Don?
LEMON: How does the hospital handle security for someone like this? I would imagine there's incredible presence there, Elizabeth?
COHEN: Oh, there certainly is. There is certainly a police presence here. And I was speaking with a physician who frequently treats suspects and inmates. He worked in a different city. He said he wouldn't be surprised if the suspect here were handcuffed to the bed and had a guard on each side of the bed as well as guards outside the door. They really are not taking any chances. They don't want anyone coming in and out who doesn't need to be there, and they certainly don't want the suspect to hurt himself -- Don.
LEMON: And Elizabeth, you know, inside that hospital, it is right behind you, doctors and nurses, they have to take care of this man believed to have committed these terrible acts. How do they handle this responsibility? Have you spoken to anyone who has spoken about that?
COHEN: Yes. I've spoke tone doctors and nurses, not who have taken care of the suspect in the hospital behind me, but have taken care of other suspects or even convicted criminals. And they said, you know, they are human beings. It is tough. They know what this person has done and they feel it. But they set it aside and they do their job and they give him the same high level of care that they would give any other patient.
This is a world class hospital. I've had many relatives treated in this hospital. One thing he might not get, I know doctors and nurses here are very sympathetic, very caring people, they will speak comforting words to you as they do procedures or give you a hug afterwards, I doubt that's happening, according to doctors and nurses I talked to that have been in this situation before, but as far as medical care goes, he's getting the highest level of care, exactly what they would give anyone --Don.
LEMON: Elizabeth Cohen there with the suspect at Deaconess hospital in Boston.
Thank you, Elizabeth Cohen.
LEMON: You know, finding the secrets to a terror cell, we will look at what is involved tracing and rooting out a network of terror.
Plus this, just what could turn someone into a suspected terrorist. The uncle of the Boston bombing suspects speaks out.
LEMON: We showed you this at the top of the hour, Fenway park. And you know, this is one of the most visible signs that Boston is beginning to heal. Right now, Fenway park is alive with Red Sox fans cheering on their home team and their hometown.
The world is cheering on Boston right now and the Red Sox. Poppy Harlow joins me live at the Ballpark.
Poppy, of course, you know, (INAUDIBLE) nay think otherwise, but I wonder, would I want to be the team that beats Boston right now?
POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I do not think you would, Don. All is fair in love and war in professional sports I suppose, but I don't know. I mean, this is a city, this is a country rooting for the Boston Red Sox. Because this is the first home game at Fenway since the bombing at the Monday marathon. You know, they have a tradition of having a morning home game before the marathon on Monday and then running the marathon. And it is this entire citywide celebration. This is the first time back here at Fenway. I want to show you some video and also this poster.
You know, people walking in holding things like this, Boston strong. And you also see from the video all of the people extremely excited and proud to be Bostonians in all of these. Really, special opening ceremony here at the game today. The entire crowd sang the national anthem together, not one person on the field, but in unison, showing how tight knit this entire community is especially right now.
Also, the Red Sox wearing some special jerseys, some special home whites, if you will, today. The usually say Red Sox across the front. Red Sox today, they say Boston across the front. They are going to auction those off after today. All that money is going to the one fund, which is raising money for victims of this tragedy.
David Ortiz, most famous player for the Red Sox saying this is our city, erupting in applause after he said that. And then I want to play or viewer, Don, and dip into this sound some really emotional sound and a very meaningful moment from this opening ceremony. They played hallelujah, and everyone looked at the jumbo ton or the big screen, saw some images of the marathon, and of the first responders and others. So, let's listen in.
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HARLOW: So, just a really beautiful moment there, Don. The teams lined the field, they also brought on some first responders. Some victims from the bombing. So a very important day here for Bostonians in terms of the healing process.
LEMON: OK. So Poppy, I know, you and I are friends, you're like me, you will talk to anyone that will talk to you. I'm sure you have been talking to Red Sox fans. What are they saying? HARLOW: We have been talking to some people. But you know, it is something really meaningful that I want to bring to the viewers is something a Red Sox fan said to our colleague John Berman earlier today. He was here before the game started. You know, he is from Boston. And he met this woman who is not only a big Red Sox fan but she's from Watertown. So, literally yesterday she was under lockdown basically in her house in Watertown. Today she's here going to see her team play, the Red Sox play. And here is what she told John Berman.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Surreal experience. It was like this morning I woke up, it was like I am so grateful I don't have to wake up feeling like I felt yesterday morning every day, like I felt totally lucky to be, you know, a resident of Watertown and a citizen of this country.
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HARLOW: And look, Don, I wanted to bring over a fan. What's your name?
LISA, RED SOX FAN: Lisa.
HARLOW: So Lisa just came in and stopped by, was looking at us, and her friend said she's from Watertown as well. So, I'm sorry for what you went through, this is a big day for you.
LISA: Thank you. Yes, it is.
HARLOW: A very big day for Boston and you. Good to see you.
LISA: Absolutely. Thank you so much.
HARLOW: We are proud to be here. I am a twins fan, but today I am a Red Sox fan, Don.
LEMON: As I said, we're all Red Sox fans.
All right, Poppy, give out a lot of hugs while you are there from all of us here at CNN.
Thank you, Poppy Harlow. And we will get back.
HARLOW: I will.
LEMON: You know, back to the story now.
One suspect is dead, one in custody, of course. What's not clear, the motive and the plan.
I am joined by Jeff Beatty. He is a former CIA counterterrorism officer.
And we are hearing from local law enforcement that it looks like the suspects were working alone. And that came from Watertown police chief. He knows a lot of information, but can we say that at this point? Do we know that?
JEFF BEATTY, FORMER CIA COUNTERTERRORISM OFFICER: Well, you know. first of all, congratulations to him and his officers, fantastic job, textbook job really. But -- and that's certainly the hope of everyone that they were operating alone. But, I know that the FBI and others are concerned about the other explosives, for example, that were found in the apartment of the two brothers.
LEMON: How do you account for those, for the pressure cooker, the other weapons and all that stuff.
BEATTY: Exactly. You know, it begs the question were they planning additional attacks? This third pressure cooker bomb that they used in the pursuit, was that supposed to be deployed by a third person the day of the marathon? These are still unanswered questions that I know law enforcement is working hard to try to resolve.
LEMON: Could profiling have made a difference in this case? I mean, how do you determine if they were part of a larger cell?
BEATTY: Well, profiling is kind of a bad word. We don't like profiling.
LEMON: But you have profilers.
BEATTY: We have people that do profiling. You know, one of the things I think that would help is we have the ability to do behavioral observation. We have behavioral -- alerting behavior. For instance, if we were going to Boston marathon and we were friends or brothers, we would be walking side by side talking to each other about it. but yet, the images of these individuals on race day showed one ahead of the other, five to ten feet apart, that's unusual, there are people the cameras would have picked up, seeing them walk. And this is alerting behavior. I mean, we have algorithms now that allow us to look at parking lots. And when, someone goes to their car at night and someone were to accustom, the algorithm would warn us and allow us to send please do it. I think you are going to see in future that type of thing adopted for events like the marathons.
LEMON: It is very interesting. Where are we focusing counterterrorism resources right now?
BEATTY: Well, I think we are focusing them, primarily, in looking at prevention, looking at -- doing a hard look, and how could we make sure an event like this doesn't happen again at one of our major sporting events. You know, we have an ability to do some things, all the way back at planning stages when terrorists plan attacks. Our National security agency can monitor them. We have a great capability to monitor electronic communications. So great, in fact, that Osama bin Laden didn't want to have an Internet connection in his house. He was that respectful of it.
So, the NSA will look at what can they do to find things out there in the ether that may give us indications of people casing remotely from Internet searches, potential targets and finding out how do they build their weapons, et cetera. And I think the NSA is going to lead that effort on the prevention side.
LEMON: Yes, good talk. Great information. Thank you, Jeff Beatty. We appreciate it here on CNN.
We are going to talk about finding more answers, finding some answers after the Boston bombings. What do you say when your nephews are being called terrorists? We will hear from the Boston bombing suspect's uncle straight ahead here on CNN.
LEMON: Welcome back to our continuing coverage. We are now hearing more from the bombing suspect's uncle. In an exclusive interview, he said that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev brought shame to their Russian community.
Let's go straight to our Shannon Travis who is in Gaithersburg, Maryland where Ruslan Tsarni lives.
And Shannon, earlier Tsarni called his nephews losers. What is he saying now?
SHANNON TRAVIS, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Yes. I mean, he used that word yesterday. He wouldn't go that far and used the word again today, Don. But it has equally strong reactions to his nephews' actions, anger, tears. I saw all of those from the uncle. I sat down with him earlier today.
My first question, what's his reaction to his nephew being caught. Take a listen.
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RUSLAN TSARNI, BOMBING SUSPECTS' UNCLE: I am relieved. I am relieved that he is alive. First of all, for that there's now chance to find out who was behind it, who were mentors of all of it, and how possibly could he get involved and do this harm to innocent people. And second of all, I stress that there's a chance for jihad and to seek forgiveness.
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TRAVIS: Now Don, we should stress the uncle wasn't especially close with the family. He says he had not seen his nephews since around 2006 and had mostly cut ties with the family in 2009. That year he also had a conversation with the older nephew, Tamerlan. The uncle said back then he noticed his nephew was becoming more extreme in his religious views and when he tried to find out why, the uncle said he reached out to a family friend and that friend told him about a person, a friend, to the family there in Cambridge, who is a new convert to Islam, and who quote brainwashed Tamerlan. I pressed him for a name, he wouldn't reveal one. Meanwhile, the uncle said the older brother exerted heavy influence on Dzhokhar.
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TSARNI: He used his younger brother. He wasted his life. I understand he didn't know -- I mean, he messed up his own. I don't know what was going on there, but he messed up his life. That's why he decided to take lives of innocent people, hurt innocent people. I may believe he is full of evil, maybe he has been himself as evil, he turned to be an evil. As I said, confused, entirely confused.
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TSARNI: Now, what was Tamerlan like before this alleged turn to what the uncle called evil? I asked, what's your last memory of your oldest nephew? And Don, that's when we saw the most emotional part of our interview.
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TSARNI: Tamerlan and me walking, walking on Massachusetts avenue. Starbucks. I am telling him about my business. He is asking me questions. Young, beautiful. Tall. I was even happy for his height. This humor, sense of humor, love it. Kids going by, saying hey, Tamerlan. Girls are looking at him. That was 2006.
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TRAVIS: Don, that's the story from what the uncle was saying when he saw Tamerlan in 2009. A few other points, I asked the uncle what's your message to Dzhokhar right now. He said tell police everything you know. Also Dzhokhar will undoubtedly need plenty of help moving forward, will the uncle help his nephew if he's asked? The uncle said yes, he would help him seek forgiveness from the victims -- Don.
LEMON: The uncle, very emotional in that interview.
Thank you very much, Shannon Travis.
The Boston Red Sox doing their part to help their hometown heal. How the home team is bringing normalcy to the heartbroken city. We will head back to Fenway live.
LEMON: Welcome back to our continuing coverage of the Boston bombings. I am Don Lemon live in Boston.
The terror is over for now. After days of tragedy and anxiety, this city can finally begin to heal. One suspect is dead, the other is under police guard in serious condition at a Boston hospital. We are told charges could be filed against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev at any time now. Let's take a moment to get you caught up on some of the other stories making news this hour on CNN.
First up, so many questions for the town of West, Texas. Search and recovery efforts are winding down today after a massive fertilizer plant explosion on Wednesday. Fourteen bodies have been recovered. Five of those killed were volunteer firefighters. People are still waiting to get the all-clear to get back into their homes.
Rising water and rising fears in parts of the flooded Midwest today after days of torrential rain. Rivers are spilling over their banks in Illinois, Missouri and also in Michigan. Hundreds of people have been evacuated across the region, and forecasters say the worst isn't over yet. Another storm system is expected to slam the Midwest late Monday into Tuesday.
London is gearing up for its own major marathon, just six days after the bombings at the Boston Marathon. Security will be very tight tomorrow. Police say several hundred additional officers will be on hand. More than 37,000 people are expected to take part in Sunday's race.
And back here in Boston, it is beginning to return to normal. And we can really get a sense of that at Fenway where the Red Sox are back in action right now. But before the first pitch, there was a solemn ceremony.
We're going to get back now to CNN's Poppy Harlow at the ballpark. Poppy, what are you seeing?
POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey there, Don. The sun came out just in time for the game. As you know, it was raining pretty hard this morning, then it came out. Fans poured here into Fenway Stadium. You can see them lined up even there, looking at this game against the Royals goes on. I think even some Royals fans may be Boston Red Sox fans today, a very important day. This is the first home game at Fenway Park since the bombing on Monday.
Very significant that this is happening today. You know, both teams lined onto the field today and had a very big, special opening ceremony. Some victims of the bombing, first responders were also there on the field. People walked in with signs like this: "Boston strong," all different sorts of homemade signs. The team was tweeting out pictures of all of the different signs.
And Don, I just want to tell you one thing that they did was a moment of silence. I think we have a little bit we can play for you now. A moment of silence before the game kicked off justto remember the tragedy that hit this city.
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ANNOUNCER: As we think of our 176 adults and children who were injured, including MBTA officer Richard Donahue, won't you join us as we observe a moment of silence, contemplation, and prayer and in particular, for the 58 who are still hospitalized.
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HARLOW: And the team, Don, not wearing their typical jerseys today. They're donning new special home whites that say Boston instead of Red Sox. After the game, they're going to auction them off, donate all of the money to One Fund. That of course for the victims of the bombing. Don? LEMON: Poppy Harlow at the Red Sox game in a red coat. Poppy, thank you very much.
We have talked a lot about the suspects here -- we have, we have talked a lot about the suspects here, but what about the victims here? Coming up, Dr. Drew will join us to tell us what we can do to heal. How we can help our family and friends and children with their uneasiness over what happened this week in Boston. Our special live coverage continues here on CNN in just a moment.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Why did young men who grew up and studied here as part of our communities and our country resort to such violence? How did they plan and carry out these attacks, and did they receive any help? The families of those killed so senselessly deserve answers. The wounded, some of whom now have to learn how to stand and walk and live again deserve answers.
One thing we do know is that whatever hateful agenda drove these men to such heinous acts will not, cannot prevail. Whatever they thought they could ultimately achieve, they've already failed. They failed because the people of Boston refused to be intimidated. They failed because as Americans we refuse to be terrorized. They failed because we will not waiver from the character and the compassion and the values that define us as a country. Nor will we break the bonds that hold us together as Americans.
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LEMON: President Obama speaking from the White House about what holds us together in trying times such as this this week here in Boston. And you can never tell just how much emotional pain has been inflicted here. That's true not only for the victims, but for the people who watched it up close as well as those that saw the images on their television sets or on the web all across this country. What needs to be done to help heal this country?
I want to bring in Dr. Drew Pinsky. He's the host of "Dr. Drew On Call," and he joins me now from Los Angeles. Dr. Drew, thank you so much. I think not just the folks in Boston but the entire country really needs some healing now. What can you say to family members, to friends, to children, to people who are watching about their uneasiness of what happened this week here in Boston?
DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST, "DR. DREW": Yes, Don, the opening of the previous segment you started about by saying the terror is over. But for some people, it is not. It is being revivified, relived. It's in their body now every day.
A really important way to make this have a lesser impact on all of us, and I assure you, everyone out there probably feels the same today. We had this tremendous tension yesterday, all of us glued to televisions, and today we're on the other side of that. Can feel let down, depressed, anxious.
Here are my basic tips. Have a concept of faith, whatever that is for you. Faith that the sun will come up in the morning, faith that things will be okay. Don't try to control your environment, that is not going to work. Whether you have a higher power concept, prayer can be helpful, faith number one.
Number two, hope, do not lose hope. This is going to get better, we have taken care of things just as the president assured us he would, and there's hope for the future.
And then finally and most importantly is important relationships. Important people in our lives need to be kept very close. And think in terms of regulating our emotions by using other people. The proximity and intimacy of others is exceedingly important at times like this.
LEMON: You know, Dr. Drew, what you're saying there, the two things that are intangibles. You're talking about faith, believing in things unseen. Hope. Hoping that the sun will be out tomorrow, saying that it will. But then also relationships with other people.
In times like this, even for myself, sometimes when you're overwhelmed with issues like this, the last thing you want to do is be with someone else. You want to be by yourself and sort get through the emotion on your own.
PINSKY: Right. It's - don't -- I would resist isolating. Isolating - I mean, to sit and be calm and be sort of commune with nature, that sort of calmness is fine. But to isolate and move away from people is usually not a great idea. Remember, we're trying to help people go from an acute stress reaction or prevent - going from an acute stress reaction, which is normal. Which is what we're all feeling today. We may not sleep normally. We may feel anxious or be depressed to a post-traumatic stress disorder.
And duration of exposure to the trauma, proximity to trauma, your antecedent history of previous trauma all can add up to trouble. So, assess what you have been exposed to, and then maybe if things don't seem right, be sure to get medical help. This can significantly reduce this risk of this being an ongoing, chronic problem.
The other thing, too, by the way, is try to return to normalcy and ritual. The Red Sox game is a beautiful and perfect way to do so. Although Don, Poppy needs to tell us how the Sox are doing. I didn't hear the score, it kind of frightened me.
LEMON: We will get to that, Dr. Drew, don't you worry. We will get that score for you. But stick around. Dr. Drew, when we come back, I want to talk to you about this. The suspect's family has been making a plea for privacy. Do they deserve that? Dr. Drew weighs in on their pain after a break.
We're live in Boston, and this is CNN.
LEMON: Welcome back to CNN's continuing coverage of the Boston bombings. Dr. Drew is back with us from Los Angeles.
So Doc, I want to talk about the family of the suspects. They're not responsible -- at least physically, they didn't go out and create the bombs. But you know, can they become the target of angry citizens? How do they cope - I don't know -- with their lives when everyone is looking at them with contempt?
PINSKY: Well, that's a really interesting question, especially in this day of social media where I'm sure if they so much as glance at it, they'll see horrible things being said. And again, people seem to feel entitled to act out on other people, whatever their anger might be. And I would urge restraint. These people seem to have nothing to do with this. They are as angry and outraged as the rest of us, except they have to manage -- this uncle who we're seeing alongside me, has to manage another emotion that the rest of us do not, and that is profound shame. He is shamed and second guessing himself. Could I have done something. He was actually in proximity to these kids. I think particularly this uncle needs more our sympathy than our aggression.
The aunt, I've got to say - I'm going to say, Don. I'm taking on maybe an unpopular opinion. For her to throw -- for sure I am with her on due process, but then to throw out paranoid, bizarre allegations, think how that feels to the victims. I have no patience with that myself. So, I am thankful she hopefully will not get in the cross hairs of anybody, but that's ridiculous.
LEMON: I want to ask you this because, you know, it is immediately -- I said it when I introduced you, my question to you, is that the parents are not responsible, the family is not responsible.
Ok, so one of the guys is 19, the other 26. How much responsibility do parents have? Listen, I don't have kids because I think they're your kids until their 20s, 30s, 40 years old, they're still kids, you have some responsibility for them. How much do parents and the family have responsibility for any of this? Physically, obviously they didn't do it, but they raised these kids.
PINSKY: Yes. Don, here is my sort of take on that. Families do have a responsibility to the individuals. I see this through the perspective of health care.
And the problem is the families sometimes don't know anything. They are as blinded to what's going on as anybody else. You just can't hold somebody accountable for that.
On the other hand, the reality is more often than not they do know something, they have been advised to get help, and they don't. And that's really where I blame people. Jodi Arias, she's a sick girl, she has borderline personality disorder we're hearing in the courtroom on a daily basis, she should have gotten treatment years ago before something like this happened. The family knew she was in trouble, friends called the family, asked them for help. They didn't insist she get help. It is harder when it is an adult child, but there are ways to do it. LEMON: Yes. I just can't imagine at 19 years old -- listen, I'm just saying this - and my parents not knowing that I was making bombs. I mean, they knew everything about me. Where the car was, what I had in my room, even at 19 years old when away at college. So, I don't know. It is just a hard thing to accept and a hard thing to understand.
Dr. Drew, thank you very much. It's good to see you.
This is the first time that people have suddenly found themselves in the middle of a tragedy. Lessons for Boston and beyond from a survivor of the Virginia Tech shooting massacre using smart phone technology to alert the authorities.
LEMON: Cell phone photos and videos played a crucial role in helping hunt down the suspects in the Boston bombings. A survivor of the Virginia Tech shootings six years said she didn't even have a smartphone at the time. That's why she's creating technology today she wishes she had back then. Laurie Segall has the story for you.
CHRISTINA ANDERSON, VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTING SURVIVOR: I'm one of the survivors from Virginia Tech shooting, which happened six years ago in Blacksburg, Virginia. And a gunman killed 32 people.
LAURIE SEGALL, CNN TECH CORRESPONDENT: In room 211, two-thirds of her classmates gunned down. Six survived. Christina Anderson lived.
ANDERSON: Within 12 minutes, he killed 11 of my classmates and my teacher. So we did not know that the first shooting had happened at about 7:05 that morning. There was a delay, and Virginia Tech didn't notify the campus. Which, at the time, there was no precedent for a second shooting, so really we had no information. I didn't even have a smartphone at the time.
SEGALL: So for a matter of minutes, you didn't know if you were going to survive. I can't imagine that.
ANDERSON: Yes, it's hard. It's having those seconds of time when it's life and death that you start to realize that life is so precious and valuable and should be treasured. So, I think it would almost be like a really big travesty to survive this whole event and not do something about it for everyone else. He shot me twice in the back and once in the foot.
SEGALL: Injured, but inspired. Years later, in a smartphone- connected world, Anderson is building the technology she wishes she'd had during the horrific day that changed her life.
ANDERSON: So, this is the "report incident" feature right from the app.
SEGALL: Live Safe is an app that lets people report incidents to law enforcement or campus authority in a couple taps. Students are already testing it on college campuses.
ANDERSON: On the police side on the dashboard, they have this (INAUDIBLE) system where see directly who the person is who submitted it and they receive their contact information, their picture, and also the GPS coordinates in real time.
SEGALL: Live Safe also lets users send out an alert to their emergency contacts in a swipe.
ANDERSON: And when you slide to alert, it sends them your GPS coordinates. They have a picture of where you are located.
SEGALL: The tech makes it easy for law enforcement to collect evidence and send safety alerts via smartphone. Tech that could have helped Anderson on that day six years ago.
ANDERSON: If Live Safe had existed and people had actually used it, I would have received a lot more information from people that were already there and might not have gone to campus. Police would have had a lot more, broader wealth of pictures and video coming in beforehand. Sometimes violence just finds you. That's a - you know, that's an unfortunate act of truth. But to know there is something you can do to make yourself and those around you safer, it's a little step in the right direction, I think.
SEGALL: Laurie Segall, CNN Money, New York.
LEMON: All right. Well, Laurie joins us now. We're not done with Laurie yet. How would this app, Laurie, have helped in the moments after the Boston blast and the MIT shooting?
SEGALL: Look, the second those bombs went off, everybody was looking for everybody else. Using that app, you could have simply swiped it, it would have sent your GPS coordinates to law enforcement, to all your emergency contacts. MIT shooting, through the app, you could have received an SMS from law enforcement saying get to safety, here are the safe places to go.
Look, Don, unfortunately, I wish Tech didn't have to exist, but as we can see, it's more relevant now than ever.
LEMON: All right. Laurie Segall, thank you very much. And for more tech ideas and reviews, just go to CNN.com/tech. CNN.com/tech.
Jake Tapper will be back with us at the top of the hour, and he's going to pick up our special live coverage of the Boston bombings. I'll be back with you later tonight. I'm Don Lemon. Stay with CNN.