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Limo Fire Claimed Lives; 17-year-old Punching Referee Leads to Death; FBI Search at Tsarnaev's Apartment Continues; South Korean President to Visit Washington; Shark Attack Survivor's Story

Aired May 5, 2013 - 16:00   ET


FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Fredricka Whitfield. A look at our top stories right now, this hour.

In northern California a fun night out has taken a tragic turn. Last night a fire ripped through a limousine carrying nine women. Most of them didn't make it out alive. Details straight ahead.

A 17-year-old soccer player allegedly lashes out at a referee punching him in the head and one week later the referee dies. We dig into what the consequences might be.

FBI agents are once again conducting a search of the apartment where Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev lived with his wife and with a child in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Susan Candiotti is live for us now in Boston where all of this is playing out. So Susan, what have you learned about this new search?

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Fred. The latest news is that the search has now ended for the day. The FBI telling us that they executed a search warrant, were executing a search warrant, at Tamerlan Tsarnaev's apartment as you indicated where he lived with his wife and his child. Sources have previously told us that bomb residue was found there.

The search originally conducted because of the FBI's interview with the younger brother, Dzhokhar, who told investigators, according to our sources, that in fact the bombs were built there and that they originally had planned to carry out an attack on the fourth of July. We don't know what, if anything, they took away from the home today. The FBI is not commenting on any of that.

Also today, Fred, I can tell you that CNN has done an in-depth interview with exclusive details in an interview with the father of one of the exchange students, one of two, who is accused of hiding evidence from the bomb case. Evidence that belonged to the suspect, Dzhokhar.

Now, these two young men are saying that they didn't try to do anything or hide anything on purpose but the father who interviewed his son in jail told us that in talking with the son about what happened, he said that his son denied that he had any role at all in the bombing and that he was simply afraid for his friend, Dzhokhar, when they removed a laptop as well backpacks from his dorm room and didn't immediately let the FBI know about it until the FBI came to locate them. This is how his father explained it about when he spoke with his son.


AMIR ISMAGULOV, FATHER OF SUSPECT AZAMAT TAZHAYAKOV (through translator): I asked my son "Did you want to help Dzhokhar"? He said, "Dad, if we wanted to help him, we would have thrown the laptop out too. But we didn't want to throw anything out." It's just that Kadyrbayev got scared and just threw the bag out. When he brought the bag over from Dzokhar, he took the laptop out and jut put it on the table.

So they didn't want to help him. He said if we wanted to help him, then we would have thrown out the laptop too and we would bury the bag in the ground somewhere.


CANDIOTTI: Now Mr. Tazhayakov tells us that if his son did anything wrong, he said it was unintentional. And he's very sorry about what happened at the Boston Marathon bombing.

Also today, Fred, finally we can tell you an update about trying to find a place to bury Tamerlan Tsarnaev's body. His uncle who is now in Worcester, Massachusetts, at a funeral home is telling us he has performed a ritual cleansing of the body to prepare Tamerlan's body for burial as per tradition in the Islamic faith. However, no cemetery has yet been found. Here's what he said.


RUSLAN TSARNI, UNCLE OF TAMERLAN TSARNAEV: I'm left alone to deal with this matter. I also stress that Tamerlan Tsarnaev has no other place to be buried.


CANDIOTTI: Every other cemetery he says that has been contacted, every cemetery, has now rejected him saying they want nothing to do with the burial of this young man. Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. Susan Candiotti, thanks so much, in Boston.

There are certain unforgettable images from the Boston terror attacks. This was definitely one of them. Victim Jeff (INAUDIBLE) being rushed from the scene of the bombing. Both of his legs gone.

Well, last night Bauman made a surprise appearance at a Boston Bruins home game. He serves as the team's honorary banner captain as you see right there and the crowd simply went crazy.

He was hailed a hero for his resilient spirit and for his help identifying one of the suspects.

Onto California now, a fun night out with friends turned into a nightmare for a group of women. A fire broke out in their stretch limo and many of them couldn't get out. CNN's Nick Valencia is following the story.

So Nick, tell us more about this tragic accident and how they think this fire started.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Local media outlets and agencies are reporting that this group was part of a bachelorette party and said among the dead was the bride to be. Now CNN cannot independently confirm these reports from local news agencies. We called the CHP and in fact, they told us that they read the same reports but they can't confirm them as well.

Earlier when I spoke to the CHP, they told me that they believe that this fire started outside of the passenger area of the limousine perhaps in the trunk or maybe even underneath the limo. You are looking at photos taken last night in San Mateo. Those flames just erupting from the back. The incident happened at about 10:00 p.m. last night on the San Mateo Bridge in the San Francisco area.

We understand that the limousine driver noticed that there was smoke coming from the rear at which point he pulled over. He got out unharmed. Now, four of the passengers that were towards the front of the limousine were able to get out safe. Five others though, they perished there at the scene. Their names are not being released but I called the coroner's office earlier, Fred, and they told me that those bodies were so severely burned that it could take days before they are positively ID'ed.

WHITFIELD: So clearly investigators are talking to the driver of that limo but has anything been said publicly by the driver?

VALENCIA: Well, we tried to call the limousine company. It's called LimoStop Inc. They have not returned our calls. We called them repeatedly, left messages but they did release a statement to the media. I want to go ahead and read this here. The statement read in part, "LimoStop Inc. will do everything possible to investigate and assist authorities in determining the cause of this fire in order to help bring forth answers and provide closures to the victims and their families."

Just a very tragic situation there in San Francisco in the Bay area. There are several unanswered questions including if the limousine company perhaps could be at fault for this. This did not happen in the passenger area, this fire, according to CHP, broke out outside of the vehicle perhaps even underneath. So a lot of questions that LimoStop Inc. will have to answer.

WHITFIELD: This is unbelievably tragic. All right. Thanks so much. Nick Valencia, appreciate that.

VALENCIA: You bet.

WHITFIELD: All right. A youth soccer referee was allegedly punched in the head by a player. The injury later put him in a coma and now the ref is dead. Ricardo Portillo passed away last night in Utah. Police say a 17-year-old player punched the ref at a game last weekend. Portillo had just given the teen a yellow card which is a warning for breaking the rules. The player is in juvenile detention now and charges are expected to be upgraded this week.

Coming up, we'll be talking to our legal experts about what that player could be facing.

Onto Syria now, explosions lit up the sky over Damascus. Syrian officials are blaming Israel for attacking the country's military research facility. This report comes after Israel allegedly carried out an air strike against Syria last week. In an exclusive interview with CNN's Fred Pleitgen, Syria's deputy foreign minister said the attack represents an alliance between Islamic terrorists and Israel.


FAISAL AL MEKDAD, SYRIAN DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER: This is a declaration of war. This is not something that's strange but we dealt with this on several occasions and we retaliated the way we want and the retaliation was always painful to Israel. They will suffer again.


WHITFIELD: Israeli military is not commenting on the report but they have deployed two rocket interception batteries to northern Israel and starting today Israel will not allow civil aviation flights to use airspace over some parts of the country.

Israel says it's not meddling in Syria's war but protecting itself from Hezbollah militants.

In Madrid, Spain, spectators watched in horror at an air show as a small plane finished what should have been a routine maneuver. Take a look.

No one knows what happened and why this crash took place. The pilot died of course hours later at the hospital. More than a dozen people were also injured on the ground. The pilot was a commander in the Spanish Air Force and a trainer.

Back in this country, firefighters now have the upper hand on that huge wildfire burning through the Los Angeles hills. Calmer winds, cooler temperatures and rain in the forecast all of that helping. The fire is now 56 percent contained but there's also the threat of thunderstorms and with that comes lightning which could potentially spark more fires. 28,000 acres are still burning and thousands of home are still being threatened.

President Obama gave the commencement address at Ohio State University today. He told the Buckeye grads that in the face of tragedies like the Boston bombing, Americans pull together.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you. We've seen courage and compassion. A sense of civic duty and a recognition we are not a collection of strangers. We are bound to one another by a set of ideals and laws and commitment and a deep devotion to this country that we love. And that's what citizenship is. (END VIDEO CLIP)

WHITFIELD: The president has close ties to the university. He held a rally there to kick off his re-election campaign a year ago today.

All right. Despite a soggy track, the favorite horse, Orb, is the winner of the Kentucky Derby. The horse has now won five races in a row and will be among the favorites heading into the Preakness. The next race in the triple crown. Orb came from the rear crossing that finish line first. The man who trained Orb celebrated his first Kentucky Derby win.

All right. A plea deal for the Boston bombing suspect? It could happen. The government could take the death penalty off the table.


WHITFIELD: The Jodi Arias case is in the hands of the jury. Jurors started deliberating late Friday afternoon and will be back at it again tomorrow. They sat through more than seven hours of closing arguments on Friday. Both the prosecution and defense said Jodi is a liar who killed her ex-boyfriend, Travis Alexander. So what jurors have to decide is was it murder or self-defense? Of course we'll be watching this one and bring you the results during the week.

All right. And now to the Boston bombing investigation. The FBI is searching the apartment of slain suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev again today after an earlier search. A source told CNN that investigators found explosive residue in that apartment where Tamerlan lived with his wife and young daughter.

Let's bring in our legal panel. Paul Callan is a CNN legal analyst and Rachel Self is a criminal defense attorney. All right. Let's talk about this new search. The surviving suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev already told investigators that he and his brother built the bombing devices in Tamerlan's home. Won't this be a pretty sizable challenge for Dzhokhar's defense team if he pleads not guilty with that admission already? Rachel, you first.

RACHEL SELF, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It's actually not going to be anymore of a challenge having already found these things because at arraignment everybody pleads not guilty because under our system of law you're not guilty until you're proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This doesn't have anything to do with his plea initially at arraignment.

WHITFIELD: And so Paul, what do you see? Do you see a potential plea bargain somewhere down the road here for him?

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, I do. As a matter of fact, his only hope for avoiding the death penalty, I think, is probably trying to negotiate some kind of a plea that will prevent the government from having to try the case and I think the way the case looks to be shaping up against him, it's a very strong case right now. He's linked by photographs. He's linked by motive. He's linked by forensic evidence. Prosecutors have a great case against him. WHITFIELD: And some admissions.

CALLAN: They have lots of admissions. Some of them usable. Maybe some not because they were made before the Miranda warnings were issued but most certainly this is going to be an easy case to prove in court for prosecutors.

WHITFIELD: Let's talk about Tamerlan Tsarnaev's widow, Katherine Russell, who reportedly worked something like 80 hours a week and that she really didn't spend a whole lot of time in that apartment and that's why perhaps she may not have been able to see any kind of building of bombs or explosive material, et cetera.

So, Rachel, how closely are they going to look at this evidence and searching for any kind of DNA? Her DNA on any of the evidence thus far collected if they were to find some. Potentially what kind of charges might she be facing? What would her legal road be?

SELF: Absolutely. She could definitely be facing conspiracy charges. She could be facing accessory after the fact charges and she could be facing main charges here. But DNA isn't an exact science. So it could have been just a secondary transfer. You know we slough off 30,000 skin cells every hour. So the fact that her DNA might be on the bomb that was made in an apartment she was living in is not necessarily going to connect her hands down to the crime.

But what they're going to be doing is exerting as much pressure as they can on her because they want to make sure that this thing ended with these boys and that it didn't continue on and that there aren't greater plots afoot here. She's going to be an excellent source of information for that if she actually knows anything.

WHITFIELD: There has been no evidence linking her just by association she living in the apartment and so much being said about bombs being constructed and put together in that apartment. There is some potential, is there not, that she would know something?

CALLAN: Well, I'll tell you something. Putting on my old prosecutor hat, there's something about her setup that doesn't ring right with me. You know, her father and grandfather went to Phillips Exeter Academy and Yale educated sort of upper class in terms of their background in Rhode Island and suddenly she's marrying a boxer from Russia and adopting the Muslim faith and you know, he's a radical jihadist we obviously understand and to believe that she wouldn't know that something was going on with this guy in the basement of her house, she probably rejected her own family in order to do this.

I think she was buying into his game. She was buying into his philosophy and his ideology.

SELF: I don't know.

CALLAN: That's what I think. She knows something. I think they're going to come after her when they make a case. So there, Rachel Self, you know. SELF: Well, Paul Callan, I'll tell you, smart women make mistakes for love all the time and they can be blinded by love all the time no matter how smart they are. It happens. And things can be going on under your own roof that you really don't know about. So I think that the defense will have some strong arguments here. And I don't think that it's a slam dunk against her at all. I think the strongest thing for them to be utilizing her for at this point is information and pressuring her for more information.

WHITFIELD: OK. Yes, so far no evidence.


WHITFIELD: Strictly a lot of presumption being made as it pertains to Miss Russell. All right.

So Rachel, Paul, (INAUDIBLE) we have another case we want to talk about. This involved a referee in Utah who was allegedly punched by a teen soccer player and now that referee goes from being in a coma to now being dead. It's an incredible case. The family is in mourning and the soccer player now facing serious charges. This week things could get even more serious for that teen soccer player. Much more straight ahead.


WHITFIELD: The tragic death of a soccer referee has shocked a community in Utah. Ricardo Portillo was punched in the head by a 17- year-old player last week after Portillo gave him a yellow card. Portillo ended up in a coma and he passed away last night and the teen is in juvenile detention.

Let's bring in again the legal guests we just heard from momentarily. CNN legal analyst Paul Callan and defense attorney Rachel Self back with us. So police have charged the 17 year old with aggravated assault. Now it is said that the charges could be upgraded. Paul, are we talking about all predicated on whether he's charged as a juvenile or as an adult?

CALLAN: Well, actually, Fredricka, we're looking at both things. Because under Utah law he could be kept as a juvenile in which case he's going to wind up essentially with a slap on the wrist for this horrible crime. There is a possibility though that they could try him as an adult and there they will be looking at criminal homicide charges under Utah law.

But it's tough sledding for him because to be guilty of homicide, it's not just that you caused somebody's death, you have to have the intent to cause the death or act recklessly and defense lawyers are going to say "Hey, the kid just punched him once. Never in a million years was he trying to kill him." So this is not really a homicide and that's what undoubtedly my friend, Rachel Self, will say is the best defense in the case but we'll see.

WHITFIELD: Rachel, speak for yourself? SELF: No, that's absolutely - yes, yes - that's absolutely what they're going to say. It was completely unintentional. But the danger here and we still don't know what's going to happen in this case is that he gets tried as an adult because the Utah system is famous for treating youths very, very harshly. If it is decided to try him as an adult, he'll be held in a county facility. He will not be held in a juvenile detention facility and he can definitely - it can happen because any youth between 14 and 18 years old who commits a felony, the prosecution can choose to present to the court to try him as an adult at which case he's looking at some pretty serious time.

However, as the U.S. Supreme Court has recently decided in Miller v. Alabama, you're not going to be looking at life imprison for anything like this because they do take his youth into account with sentencing.

WHITFIELD: Go ahead, Paul.

CALLAN: No, I was going to say, you know, in these cases, it's a one punch murder case really. What the court looks at, what prosecutors look at is the person who threw the one punch, was he a trained boxer? Did he have karate training or martial arts training, something that would suggest that he knew that one punch could kill another human being. And if that's in the background of the 17-year- old. We don't know his name right now because he's a juvenile, this could be a homicide charge but we'll have to await the facts to see how they develop.

WHITFIELD: It's so sad. You know, you have to wonder with this incident and there are other reported incidents of violence kind of on the sidelines or even on the playing fields or venues period, whether this will lead to - and even though we're talking about young people playing, non-professional sports whether this will lead to law enforcement, a greater, you know, force of law enforcement on the sidelines, I mean, just to prevent the kind of aggression that unfolds too often on these playing fields.

SELF: Youth sports is all about teaching sportsmanship and teaching respect for others and so the fact that this is starting to happen is just - I think it's a tragic commentary on what's happening with the youth today and I think parents should be getting a little stricter with their kids myself. But that's me.

CALLAN: I wonder if anything has changed. You know, I have a feeling this has been going on for years but it's now with 24-hour news cycle and with us covering these cases we're just aware of it. I'm betting kids haven't changed that much and parents really haven't changed that much either. This is bizarre behavior and hopefully we won't see too much of it statistically around the United States.

WHITFIELD: I don't remember anything of this sort when I was on any kind of playing field growing up. I don't know what's going on these days. All right. Paul Callan, thanks so much. Rachel Self, appreciate it.

CALLAN: Thank you. WHITFIELD: All right. She's a singer, songwriter and amazing performer. Now Alicia Keys has a new role. What she's doing to help women stay healthy.


WHITFIELD: South Korea's president will meet with President Obama in Washington this week. It will be Park Geun-hye's first official trip to the U.S. And her first meeting with Obama since she was elected earlier this year. She will also address a joint meeting of congress on Wednesday. Much of her trip is expected to focus on North Korea which has stepped up its threats recently.

On to Pittsburgh now, the FBI is now joining in on the investigation into the death of a well known doctor. Autumn Klein died April 20th and local authorities are now saying that she may have died from cyanide poisoning. The district attorney's office also said investigators searched the same university lab where Klein's husband works.

A Florida teenager is recovering after a shark takes a bite out of his leg. It happened along the Atlantic coast near Melbourne Beach. You see him there recovering, 15 year old Michael Adler. While he and his friends didn't notice any real trouble in the water when they were surfing but black pit sharks had been spotted in the area recently so he told CNN affiliate Central Florida News 13 about the attack that left 20 teeth marks in his foot and leg.


MICHAEL ADLER, SHARK BITE SURVIVOR: But I wasn't in that much pain at all so I thought it was pretty cool that I just got bit by a shark because it hasn't really happened to too many people.


WHITFIELD: My goodness. We're glad that he is taking it all in stride. Alder says he is planning to get right back into what he calls shark infested waves with his friends again. Better luck next time. He is confident however that he won't get bitten again saying "How many people get bit by a shark twice?" All right. Good luck to him.

All right. Let's look at the stories that are trending online. It promised to pack a punch and the new "Iron Man 3" is doing just that. The movie smashed to the top of the U.S. box office raking in just over $175 million. That's the second best opening weekend ever just behind last year's release of "The Avengers."

R & B singer Usher is adding acting to his resume. The Grammy Award winner will portray boxing champ Sugar Ray Leonard in an upcoming film. Movie will also star Robert DeNiro and Edgar Ramirez.

And entertainment Channel E had to shut down its twitter account. E! Online was suspended after it was apparently hacked and began posting false news alerts. The company says it is trying to resolve the situation and is fully investigating the incident. All right. Onto sports now, surviving the mud at Churchill Downs, boos were ringing out in a championship fight in Las Vegas and "Star Wars" characters invade a minor league ballpark. There's a lot on tap in this bleacher report. Here is Jeff Fischel.

JEFF FISCHEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I will tell you Fred, it started with rain, lots of it and it ended with tears of joy lots of them from a Hall of Famer. The 139th Kentucky Derby was so muddy and rainy that the hat was more about function than form. At the half way point of the race Orb was fourth from last and then he took off and blew away the field for the win. For legendary trainer Shug McGaughey it is his first ever Kentucky Derby win. He couldn't hold back the tears afterwards and jockey Joel Rosario the one man on the planet who just loved receiving roses yesterday. Just a few weeks ago he also won the richest race in the world in Dubai and he can't believe the year he's having.


JOEL ROSARIO, RODE "ORB" TO DERBY WIN: I won the Kentucky derby. It's like a dream.

SHUG MCGAUGHEY, TRAINER: I won't have to worry about it anymore. I worried about it for a while. I might not let anybody know that but inside that thought was always there.

FISCHEL: A great win for McGaughey. You cannot miss the collection of best and worst hats at the derby that we have for you at

Floyd MayWeather won his first fight since he got out of jail. It was unanimous decision last night over Robert Guerrero. It is Guerrero's first lose in eight years. Fans actually booed at times because they wanted more action but the champ admitted he hurt his hand during the fight but he was clearly the better fighter. Money Mayweather now 44 and 0, Money is feeling like he is made of money after earning $32 million for last night's fight.

The Minor League Baseball team the Toledo Mud Heads felt a disturbance in the force yesterday for "Star Wars" day. Yes, may the force be with you. Kids dressed up like "Star Wars" characters as well. It was crazy. The Mud Heads celebrated with special Chewbacca inspired uniforms. They will wear them today as well. Because it has really become "Star Wars" weekend, yes just like the "Star Wars" movie "Star Wars" day has a sequel today it is revenge of the fifth. And I must warn you Fred. I know this is the end of my sportscast but much like OB1 if you strike me down now, I'll only become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

WHITFIELD: Well Jeff may the force be with you.

All right. So it's like the old saying goes. Never judge a book by its cover. It's definitely true for this blind vet who took down a man that he says attacked him.


WHITFIELD: A would-be attacker picked the wrong guy to go after. Gordon Besaw is a blind vet. He was walking down the street just like here with his Seeing Eye dog when he was attacked. And Besaw who used to be in the U.S. Army Special Forces well he fought back.


GORDON BESAW, FOUGHT OFF WOULD BE ATTACKER: He said I can make you see again. He punched me in the head again. I'm, like, man, you're not going to like the way this is going to go. I hip tossed him letting go of the leash. When I hit the ground on top of him I told my dog to stay and I began to choke him.


WHITFIELD: Wow. Don't mess with Besaw. The suspect is now facing felony charges of assault and battery.

OK. You know her best as a Grammy Award winner singer, songwriter and producer. But Alicia Keys is also making a name for herself as an Aids advocate. She talked to our Dr. Sanjay Gupta about her new push to inspire women to get tested for HIV.


DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): She sold more than 30 million albums worldwide. This is the hit "Superwoman."

It's an anthem to celebrate, motivate and inspire women. Now Alicia Keys wants women with HIV to feel empowered.

ALICIA KEYS, GRAMMY WINNING ARTIST: There are not the headlines about the Aids pandemic here in America that there should be. And it is shocking and it is unacceptable.

GUPTA: So unacceptable that she came to Washington to launch Empowered, the campaign she hopes will help women get tested, protect themselves, live full, healthy lives and speak openly about the disease.

KEYS: We can't act like it's not happening. We have to make sure that we know that we're all at risk. This is all of our issues. We can't go around and not let people be who they are in the light of day. It can't be like this anymore. We're too far in the future now.

GUPTA: Alicia Keys has an ally in White House senior advisor Valerie Jarrett. Her sister-in-law died of Aids nearly 20 years ago.

VALERIE JARRETT, SENIOR ADVISER TO PRES. OBAMA: She was married with a young child and didn't really get better testing that she should have had early on in her illness because it never occurred to anyone that a married mom would actually have been HIV positive.

GUPTA: Keys met with women willing to share their stories. She is hoping to start an open dialog about the epidemic. And several of them are featured in the campaign. Twenty six year old Stephanie Brown was diagnosed at 19.

STEPHANIE BROWN, HIV POSITIVE: So for me to come out and speak helps the next person who is newly diagnosed.

GUPTA: The campaign is building on some momentum. The CDC says new infections among women dropped 21 percent between 2008 and 2010. Still more than a million Americans are infected and one in four of those is a woman. Empowered will provide grants up to $25,000 to programs like this one at the United Medical Center in Southeast Washington.

(UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE): Everybody is so hush, hush about it happening.

KEYS: I am, you know, hopefully giving people the opportunity to feel like we can engage in a conversation that there is not something bad about you if you are HIV positive. You are beautiful, gorgeous human being who has so much to offer this world.


WHITFIELD: Crossing the line from religious conviction to dangerous extremism. Is that what happened with the Boston bombing suspects? We look at how it potentially happens and what some of the warning signs are.


WHITFIELD: Were there signs that Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was embracing an extremist strain of Islam that could have potentially led to violence? Well he had an angry outburst at a mosque and people are also evaluating a posting of a suspicious youtube video. So how can you tell when someone's religious beliefs have crossed a line and become a danger? Charles Kimball is author of "When Religion Becomes Evil." And that is the topic for today's "Belief Blog." Dr. Kimball joining us from Norman, Oklahoma. Good to see you, Doctor.


WHITFIELD: So if there is a way you know to kind of summarize this? Who is most vulnerable to becoming a religious extremist of any type of following or faith?

KIMBALL: Well, we now can look across the different religious traditions and through the centuries and I think identify some of the warning signs, none of these in and of themselves indicate that somebody or some group is going to go off and become violent extremists but a combination of these often should send up flags of concern and the one that jumps most immediately to mind. There are several that apply perhaps in this case is the warning sign of the end justifies the means where some particular end is deemed as extremely important and then people justify anything to meet that end.

In the case of the younger brother, we have now one of the postings apparently where he said when you have the knowledge and the inspiration, all that's left is to take action. So the knowledge presumably is the end and the injustice that he and his brother felt somehow justified this kind of violent extremism.

WHITFIELD: So talking like about you know finality. So are we talking about a very small number of people if there's a way in which to calculate?

KIMBALL: Absolutely. Especially in the case of all religious traditions and what I look at in my book is examples from Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hindu, and Buddhist traditions. But in the case of Islam it's important to remember of course that the overwhelming majority of Muslims all over the world are doing the very same thing that everybody else is doing. They're getting their kids ready for school and trying to put food on the table and fixing a flat tire and getting ready for grandma's birthday party tonight. They're not plotting or planning anything but there are small numbers of people who take particular absolutist claims and they get inspired sometimes by particularly charismatic leaders that may be the case here. There's some indication certainly that some of the sermons and messages from the American Muslim leader who went to Yemen was killed in a drone attack last year that some of his sermons may have been very inspirational in this case as well and we've seen that in several other cases as well.

But there are Muslims all over the world who are of course horrified and offended and here in the U.S. the overwhelming majority of Muslims are deeply distressed and offended and many groups like the Institute for Interfaith Democracy and many others, Interfaith Dialogue I mean are actively involved in building bridges and integrating and making connections so we have to be very careful not to extrapolate from the extreme although clearly the extreme is very dangerous.

WHITFIELD: All right. Dr. Charles Kimball thanks so much for all of that clarity. The author of "When Religion Becomes Evil." Thanks for your time from Norman, Oklahoma.

Prince Harry is heading to the U.S. He wants to play a little polo but he also has a much bigger mission in mind. How he will be helping American veterans.

And this programming note on the next Anthony Bourdain. Head North for a hearty adventure. Two of the funniest and most brilliant chefs in Canada take us on a tour of their country by rail. Watch "Anthony Bourdain Parts Unknown" tonight 9:00 Eastern Time right here on CNN.


WHITFIELD: Later this week Prince Harry will pay a royal visit to the United States. The 28 year old is expected to visit victims in New Jersey whose homes were ravaged by Hurricane Sandy more than six months ago and according to the "Denver Post," Prince Harry will also be visiting the 2013 Warrior games which hold competitive events for wounded warriors.

Harry recently returned home from a 20-week deployment to Afghanistan as an Apache helicopter pilot. CNN's international's Max Foster takes a closer look at his military service and his public life.


MAX FOSTER, ROYAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As the helicopter comes to life, it's Harry's job to check.

PRINCE HARRY: I have to make sure that how many rockets are now in there are showing in there. Make sure we have enough fuel; there is no reason why we shouldn't. Make sure no missiles are unlatched because that will ruin your day if you have to use one.

FOSTER: In the air mission details start to come in from radio operators on the ground know as jay tax. It could be air support for troops involved in a firefight or it could be air cover when a medical helicopter has to rescue a wounded soldier from the battlefield. Sometimes the information risk getting drowned out by all of the noise.

HARRY: Once the radio starts, that's when it starts to get hard to translate. There are some areas where we had four radios going in once and you have volume control for all of them. It's normally the same people nagging in your ear so you have to minimize.

FOSTER: While the aircraft is being flown from the back seat, Harry sitting up front is in control of the weapons system.

HARRY: We know what's going on exactly. We're going for younger generation.

FOSTER: Explained Harry feels at ease with the job.

HARRY: It's a joy for me.

FOSTER: Missions can last anything from 30 minutes to three to four hours. On this occasion, it's a fairly straightforward shot to assist a casualty evacuation.

HARRY: There weren't many details about whether he was shot or whatever. Another part of the country we have never been to. Hopefully he'll be all right. Hopefully we're quick enough to get there.

FOSTER: The job that he's being asked to perform on a daily basis is a hugely serious role. He's always aware that, you know, around the corner may come a particularly difficult decision to be made but actually he's been very well prepared for that.

Prince Harry likes to talk about having three separate lives. As well as his army life, there's his royal life as the queen's grandson and then there's his personal life. It's when those lives collide that things get difficult. Being Prince isn't just about behaving in a way deemed appropriate by the media. It's also about representing the queen on a royal tour as Harry did for the first time last year.

ROYA NIKKHAH, ROYAL COMMENTATOR: The success of the Caribbean and Brazilian tour really showed how important he was as an asset to the royal family and the government. It's all about trade. When they go on foreign tours they are there to represent the royal family abroad and also to represent British interests. (END VIDEOTAPE)

WHITFIELD: That was Max Foster reporting with the Prince there.

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