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Potential Charges for Cleveland Kidnappings; Kerry in Russia to Persuade Putin to Act on Syria; Obama Meets with South Korea; No Final Rest For Tamerlan Tsarnaev; Manhunt For Brazil Rape Suspect
Aired May 7, 2013 - 12:30 ET
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: This is the story that everybody is talking about this morning, this three young women, missing now for a decade, their families never giving up hope that somehow they would be found alive.
And last night, the hopes, the prayers, answered. It was unbelievable.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: It is unbelievable. There's so many questions.
We want to show you something, though. They all went missing in the same area of Cleveland.
Michelle Knight was the first to disappear. This happened August of 2002. She was last seen at West 106th Street and Lorain Avenue. We've got a bit of a map there for you. You can see.
Amanda Berry disappeared April 2003, last seen on West 110th and Lorain Avenue.
And Georgina DeJesus disappeared April 2004, last seen at West 105th and Lorain Avenue.
All of this not that far from the house, about a little bit over five kilometers.
MALVEAUX: And you can imagine, right? I mean, you've seen pictures of people celebrating.
I mean, that they would actually find these girl alive after so long, these stories usually end up in tragedy, and people are celebrating.
But, of course, there's an investigation that has to be done to figure out how this all went down. A lot of people asking some questions.
Joey Jackson's here with us from HLN, also a legal analyst as well. And we've just been talking about this all day. I mean, first of all, you've got three guys. They're in custody here.
What are the potential charges? And how did this happen? How does something like this go undetected?
JOEY JACKSON, CNN LEGAL ANALYST/HLN CONTRIBUTOR: First of all, it's amazing. And think about the mixed emotion.
In any legal story, there's always a human element. And if you look at the human element here, wow, you have triumph and jubilation. They've been uncovered. They've been discovered. Yay!
And on the other hand, the anger that the family mixed with the jubilation of missed opportunities to be with them, to grow with them, to love them, all of this time.
But as we get towards the investigation here, I think we're going to see major charges here that are going to be leveled. You could look at kidnapping charges, false imprisonment charges. If there's anything regarding sexual, you know, violations and that type of thing, there will be those charges which will be added.
The police have a lot of work to do. And as you've seen in the press conference, Suzanne, they're going through everything. They're going to look at that scene. They're going to see if the, certainly, the defendants-to-be will walk to them.
They're going to interview anyone associated with them and even, not only with regard to this case, but they'll look at other potential abductions to see if they've been involved in those as well.
HOLMES: Are they worried -- do you think that -- it's very easy to Monday morning quarterback here and say, you know, they're all taken at the same spot. They turn up 5 kilometers away, 5.3 kilometers away, you know, 3 miles or, from where they were all taken, roughly in the same area.
Did the police do enough? I suppose it's a natural question to have, but it also is, you know, quarterbacking.
JACKSON: You know, it is, Michael, to some degree. And we know, you know, the police have to walk a fine line. And we don't know exactly what the police did or if they did enough. That'll all be subject to investigation.
But I'm always loathe to blame them. Yes, there was a call that happened earlier, and they went to the home, and they didn't go in and bang down the door, but people have rights. You don't want anyone, in terms of the police, you don't want them knocking down your door, otherwise, or screaming, what are you doing? I did nothing here.
And so we'll find out exactly what the police did. But also remember, the captives, Suzanne and Michael, they are often -- you know, they can't say anything, right, because if they do, they subject themselves to harm, to torture, and to goodness knows what else by the people who have captured them and who are holding them against their will.
MALVEAUX: We know that one was the homeowner and then the two other brothers are involved. Will there be any difference in charges and what kind of charges they would face if one of them was the one who was actually housing them, but potentially these others were involved and knew about this?
JACKSON: There could be, Suzanne, and this is how it will play out.
There's a conspiracy charge, and what that charge says is that, if people are agreeing to commit a criminal act then all are equally culpable, despite whatever role they have to play.
And then, of course, there are charges that are associated with accessory after the fact. Maybe you weren't involved with the abduction, but certainly, after, when you knew it was unlawful, you could have stepped in. You could have done something.
And so we're going to see the degree to which each party was involved. I would expect to see a conspiracy charge, a kidnapping charge which gets them all involved, and there could be some accessory charges as well.
I mean, you can't think that a brother knows this is going on and would say nothing after all of this time? There's a responsibility to act. They didn't and they certainly have to be held accountable.
HOLMES: Yeah. Yeah, Joey, thanks so much
Joey Jackson, legal analyst, HLN contributor as well.
Boy, you imagine, Suzanne, they'd be pulling that house apart, brick by brick, at some point.
MALVEAUX: And what Marc Klaas said, he imagined there could be tunnels. He imagined all kinds of things or at least some rooms that people didn't know about. And you don't know what kind of role the brothers played in all of that.
HOLMES: Yeah, a lot more to learn. All right.
Still ahead, we're going to go inside Syria, another very important story you need to know.
We're going to have a firsthand look at the damage inflicted by this weekend's Israeli air strike in that country. Don't miss that. Fred Pleitgen with that, coming up.
MALVEAUX: A critical mission for Secretary of State John Kerry, he is now in Russia. He's trying to convince President Vladimir Putin to stop supporting Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria's brutal civil war.
Kerry's talks have, of course, been kind of complicated here.
HOLMES: They have. They do not see eye to eye.
Now his arrival in Moscow comes just days, of course, after Israel launched those massive air strikes if Syria, 42 soldiers apparently killed, and 100 people reportedly missing.
Now these talks further complicated, of course, by questions about who used chemical weapons in Syria. Both the rebels and the government have been implicated, and nobody really even knows 100 percent for sure if chemicals were used.
MALVEAUX: So what is actually going on on the ground in Syria. CNN is actually the only major news network inside of the country. And we are getting a close look here now. This is the air strike zone.
Our Fred Pleitgen is joining us from Damascus. And, Fred, you just got back from a neighborhood that was pretty close to where the Israeli attacks took place.
What did they describe actually happened? What did they see and experience on the ground?
FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN BERLIN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, it was actually the town right where that military site is, Suzanne.
As you recall, one of the sites that was hit was the Jemraya military research facility, so we went to the town of Jemraya today. And I can tell you there is absolute mayhem in that town as well.
The people that we've been speaking to are telling us that whole houses knocked over by the explosions. And the interesting thing is that this town is on the one side of a mountain and the military base is on the other side of the mountain. So there's a mountain in between the base and the town, and still, buildings were knocked over there, and you could see a lot of destruction.
People were telling me that dozens of people actually died in their houses as all of this went on. They pointed to one house where apparently a family of six people died and they just described it as most people sleeping in the town and all of a sudden just absolute hell broke loose. All these explosions started happening.
Some people, when their houses were destroyed, tried to hide under cars, but certainly it took ..
... and when we got out there, people were actually still cleaning up, picking up debris, sifting through debris, seeing what they could salvage, Suzanne.
HOLMES: Yeah, and Fred, talk a little bit about the Syrian regime.
Now you've got a situation here where what Israel says is that these were missiles, maybe SCUD missiles, that could reach anywhere inside Israel, if they were to get to Lebanon, coming from Iran through Syria into Lebanon. That's what they were preemptively trying to stop.
What does the regime say about whether these missiles were going there, whether they were even the missiles? You know, a lot of people from Beijing to Istanbul to the region itself, a lot of criticism on Israel for basically attacking another sovereign state.
What does the regime say about this path of these missiles?
PLEITGEN: Well, that's a very good question. The regime, for its part, of course, says that it wasn't even missiles that were hit. They're still saying that, yes, there was an ammunition dump that was hit in a different location.
But they are saying that this was a military research facility and that's about as far as they're willing to go.
Now the interesting thing that happened and I was on the ground there, when you actually look at the ground, it was littered with ammunition. And it wasn't -- didn't seem like it was missiles or anything, but it did seem like there were a lot of bullets there. There were larger parts of what might have been shells.
And what people were telling me is that all of this, when these big explosions happened, was blown over this whole area, and you could just see hundreds of shells and shell casings on the ground there.
So clearly it appeared to us as though some sort of something exploded and propelled all of these smaller bullets.
So whether or not this was some sort of weapons shipment, whether or not this was some sort of arms depot is still unclear.
But certainly there was a big explosion there and there was a big explosion of weapons that happened there, certainly from what we could tell from being on the ground today, Michael.
HOLMES: Yeah, extraordinary access. Good reporting there, Fred, as always. Fred Pleitgen there in Damascus.
MALVEAUX: Something the White House is keeping a close eye on.
Also, the president meeting right now with the president of South Korea. That meeting is following signs that tensions with North Korea actually might be easing there.
You're seeing photos of the limousine pulling up there. The North has withdrawn two ballistic missiles from a launch site. That is according to one U.S. official.
However, North Korea issued a new threat today, warning that military action if even a single shell from naval exercises between the United States and South Korea lands in its waters.
So take a look at those pictures of the arrival there. We also expect to hear from the president later next hour about that critical meeting between those two leaders.
HOLMES: A lot to be discussed there. Well, another brazen attack on a public bus, this happening in Rio de Janeiro. Is that city safe enough to host the World Cup and the Summer Olympics?
MALVEAUX: We're going to go live to Brazil after a break.
MALVEAUX: We're following new developments. This is the Boston Marathon bombings. One of the most contentious issues is, what do you do with the body of a terror suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
HOLMES: Yes, folks in Massachusetts, of course, have been making it clear that they don't want him buried there. Paula Newton is in Boston.
Paula, what are you hearing about the remains of - well, the remains that nobody wants?
PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Michael, what a drama here. And still there does not seem to be a resolution. What we do know is we're hearing two things. One is, the funeral home itself is telling us they do expect a resolution to this soon, perhaps maybe tomorrow. But not giving us any indication of what that resolution would be. And also, the Worcester Police Department, which is really trying to keep a lid on this for the last few days, there are protesters out there, they are trying to make sure it doesn't get out of hand, they also said that they are speaking with the family, Michael, namely the uncle of the Tsarnaev brothers, to see what can be done to move this issue forward.
And, Michael, it's worth noting that all of this started because Katherine Russell, the widow of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, she relinquished all right as next of kin to do anything about the burial and then it was left to Tamerlan's family, who is not here in the United States, immediate family, and they are in Russia. And so that's where it stands, Michael. And we continue to wait to see what that solution will be.
HOLMES: Is there a legal responsibility here that you know about? I mean somebody's got to take responsibility.
NEWTON: You know, and talk about, you know, it's like a hot potato that no one wants. We talk to local officials, you talk to state officials, you talk to federal officials, everyone says they have no role. Michael, the person who could have solved this situation was Katherine Russell. She was clearly next of kin. She could have decided what to do and done it.
Because she decided she did not want to have anything to do with his burial or dealing with his remains, it was left to his family. And that is where the confusion all started. Got to remember, it's now been five days. He was -- his body was left unclaimed in the morgue for longer than it had to be as well. And that is the problem here. Any level of government that you speak to says, look, right now we have no solution. You get the sense, though, that right now what officials are trying to do is at least mediate with the uncle, a member of the family, and the funeral home to come up with some type of solution.
HOLMES: All right, Paula, thanks so much. Paula newton there.
MALVEAUX: And you might recall this story. It might be weeks, actually, before we know what actually caused - this is a tragic story - this limo fire that caused this woman -
MALVEAUX: The bride-to-be and four of her friends to perish. They were headed to the bachelorette party when this -- the limo they were in caught fire on a bridge. This was near Oakland, California. And investigators, while they're working close to the case, we are actually hearing from survivors of that fire inside the limo.
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NELIA ARELLANO, SURVIVED LIMO FIRE: (INAUDIBLE) and they said, I told you there is smoke and then the sparks came out and then there's (INAUDIBLE) fire. And stop the car. Stop the car. And when he stopped the car, he get out from the car, he just get out from the car. Then he get out from the car. He just opened the door, that's all he did. I even asked him, help me, help me, because -- bring out my head from the compartment and said help me, so I just squeezed myself over there and slide myself. (INAUDIBLE) please open the door, open the door. And he didn't do anything.
When I ran back, Jasmine (ph) was said - I cannot get out. Help me. I cannot get out. So I tried to pull her out. I tried to check if I can pull out one more, but it's already been dark. I can't see anything anymore.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HOLMES: Oh, that is just heartbreaking to listen to, isn't it? Just can't imagine what it was like inside there. Well, she mentioned the limo driver there. He is also speaking out. He did get out safely and says he actually managed to help one or two of the women escape. He says it happened so fast he just wishes he could have done more to save the others. We'll be right back.
HOLMES: All right, that new strain of bird flu claiming more victims in China. Four more people have now died from this mysterious - it's called the H7N9 virus.
MALVEAUX: So that actually brings the total number of deaths now to 31 people since this strain of the virus was detected back in March. One hundred and twenty-nine people have actually been infected. And the World Health Organization says it doesn't believe that the virus can actually bring on a pandemic, at least not in its current form.
There is also a manhunt. This is in Rio de Janeiro. This is on - this is a man who allegedly robbed, raped a woman on a public bus. This happened Friday night. This was in a poor suburb just west of the city.
HOLMES: Yes, and look at the video there, too. You might remember actually back in March that American tourist was also beaten and raped on a public bus. Her French boyfriend also beaten. Shasta Darlington joins us from Sao Paulo.
And as you do, we just saw that security video of the suspect. Obviously the cops trying to get his face out there. What are you hearing from them?
SHASTA DARLINGTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's the problem, Michael, this did happen Friday night. They still haven't found the guy. So they put this video out there. And as you can see, it's a surveillance video from inside the bus where these crimes took place. It's a minute and a half. We see the suspect get on the bus. He appears to herd the passengers to the back. And then to come up front and talk to the driver.
But this, like I said, is only a minute and a half. And this terrifying incident really happened over the course of a half an hour. What we know from police is that the suspect robbed all of the passengers. He was armed. He then had them move up to the front of the bus while he raped a woman and hit her over the head with the butt of his gun repeatedly over the course of a half an hour. Finally, at one point, the bus stopped and he jumped off and got away into traffic. Now, police say the passengers told them that the man appeared to be under the influence of drugs. This was out in a shanty town. They're looking for him and they just haven't found him yet, Michael.
MALVEAUX: I would imagine, I mean, there's a security camera there, that people would be on the lookout for this guy and that there is some vigilance here, especially because this is a place where it's going to be hosting the pope, the World Cup, Olympics in the next couple of years, and we're looking at some pretty big problems when it comes to the safety of women there.
DARLINGTON: Absolutely, Suzanne. I mean the problem is, we can no longer talk about an isolated incident. That terrible incident happened last March, the end of the month, when an American tourist was gang raped aboard a mini bus while her French boyfriend was tied up and beaten. This happened over six hours. A horrific crime. The whole of the country was up in arms. But we're seeing one robbery after violent attack after the other and people are asking, is Rio safe?
MALVEAUX: Shasta Darlington. Thank you, Shasta, we appreciate it. Of course, that is the question. People are going to be following this.
MALVEAUX: And the unfortunate thing is, when it doesn't happen to the tourists, it doesn't get a lot of attention. HOLMES: Exactly.
HOLMES: That's exactly right. That happens a lot to locals, that's for sure.
All right, stay with us. Coming up in the next hour, by the way, on CNN NEWSROOM, we've got New Jersey Governor Chris Christie revealing a pretty big secret.
MALVEAUX: Well, he's had surgery to help him lose weight. We're going to take a look at the impact that this could have on his political future as well.
MALVEAUX: All right. What is trending AROUND THE WORLD -- Abba, that's right.
HOLMES: Don't lie, you were dancing then. You won't find --
MALVEAUX: That's one of my favorites!
HOLMES: I know you love this song.
You won't find the Swedish pop sensations on stage anywhere in the world. It doesn't look like there's going to be a reunion. But fans can relive some of the band's greatest moments starting today.
MALVEAUX: It is the Abba Museum Stockholm officially open for business. Got all the costumes, the records you'd expect. Even offers visitors to take a chance to sing along with Abba's greatest hits along -- I think there's life-size holograms of the group. Really?
HOLMES: Yes, you get up on stage and boogie along with them and grab a microphone and pretend you're up there with them. "Dancing Queen" your favorite?
MALVEAUX: I love "Dancing Queen".
HOLMES: Just take a chance on me.
MALVEAUX: Ah, that's yours?
HOLMES: Love it. You're too young to remember them.
MALVEAUX: Well, maybe that one. I'm being told we've got to go. That's it for us. Thanks for watching AROUND THE WORLD.
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