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Castro Brothers Speak To CNN; Search for Survivors Winding Down in Bangladesh
Aired May 13, 2013 - 12:30 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: And coming up ...
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Do you worry now that people will always suspect that you actually did have a role?
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MALVEAUX: Speaking out for the very first time in a CNN exclusive, Pedro and Onil Castro talk about their brother Ariel's alleged crimes, up next.
MALVEAUX: When Ariel Castro was arrested on charges of kidnapping and raping three women for more than a decade in his Cleveland home, police also arrested his two brothers, showing their faces now to the world.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Yeah. In the minds of a lot of people looking at those mug shots, all three men were somehow attached to the crime.
But last Thursday, police released Pedro and Onil Castro, saying neither man had anything to do with the alleged abductions and torture of Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michelle Knight.
MALVEAUX: So now for the first time since their release, both men sat down and talked exclusively with CNN's Martin Savidge about their brother and the whole ordeal.
HOLMES: Yeah. They're grateful that the girls are safe, they say, and they are haunted at the same time by missed clues, hunted by the media as well.
They say they're receiving death threats online for something they didn't do.
SAVIDGE: You all went to your mom's for dinner.
ONIL CASTRO, BROTHER OF KIDNAP SUSPECT ARIEL CASTRO: Yeah. We went to Mom's for dinner.
SAVIDGE: The first sign of trouble for you, and you were riding back in the car with Ariel, the first indication of a problem was what?
O. CASTRO: When he pulled in McDonald's. Around the corner not very far from ma's house. He pulled in McDonald's.
In my mind I'm wondering why are we pulling here? We just ate. Do you have to go to the bathroom or anything?
He says, no, they pulled me over. They're behind me. I didn't know because it was bright and sunny. I didn't see no flashing lights. I didn't hear sirens.
SAVIDGE: The police were behind him?
O. CASTRO: Yes, sir. And he says, the cops are back there. They pulled us over. I said, what'd you do, run a stop sign or a red light or something? He says, no, no. I don't know. I don't know.
And by that time the officer was on his side asking for his I.D.s and they took his I.D. and there was an officer next to me there and he hadn't asked me for my I.D. yet.
But I figured he's there so I go like this and I go you want my I.D., too? And he went for his weapon and held it. And I gave him my I.D. and I said what's going on? I haven't done anything, sir. What's going on here?
He says all I can tell you is that you're in for some serious allegations.
SAVIDGE: What was the first sign of trouble for you that day?
PEDRO CASTRO, BROTHER OF KIDNAP SUSPECT ARIEL CASTRO: I was sleeping, and I don't remember the police in my room.
And I was thinking because I had an open-container warrant, so I didn't know what -- I thought they was taking me because of that.
SAVIDGE: Let me walk you through a bit of this so that everyone clearly understands.
When you were arrested on Monday and brought in, were you told why you were under arrest?
O. CASTRO: Absolutely not.
P. CASTRO: No.
SAVIDGE: You had no idea?
P. CASTRO: No.
O. CASTRO: No. Not for 48, maybe 36 to 48 hours later.
SAVIDGE: Pedro, when did you become aware?
P. CASTRO: Well, there was an inmate that didn't speak English, so I translated for her. So then I asked her, now that I help you, can you help me?
SAVIDGE: This is to the officer?
P. CASTRO: Yes. And she said, sure, what you want to know? I want to know what am I being charged for. So she said, OK, I'll go see.
So she comes back and she's got a piece of paper written down whatever I was in for and -- because I didn't have my reading glasses, I looked and I say open container.
She goes, no, read it again. And I said, oh, kidnapping? What's this? Kidnapping?
SAVIDGE: Could you talk? Were the two of you able to talk to one another while in jail?
P. CASTRO: No.
SAVIDGE: Couldn't communicate?
O. CASTRO: No.
SAVIDGE: You were in separate cells?
O. CASTRO: They told us not to, so I didn't.
SAVIDGE: Where was Ariel?
O. CASTRO: Ariel was toward the front, more toward the front, on suicide watch.
P. CASTRO: He was in a cell, what they call the bullpen. How do I know this? Because I seen it -- I seen it when they took me to get my medication.
SAVIDGE: Did he ever go past you? Did you ever see him?
P. CASTRO: I did. Because in where he was at, there's no toilet. So across the -- from my cell, there was one open. So he came there to use it. And then that's when I seen him. And when he came out, he said, peace, to me.
O. CASTRO: So evidently that happened with him over there, and when he walked past me he goes, Onil, you're never going to see me again. I love you, bro. And that was it.
SAVIDGE: So when did you become aware of what he did?
O. CASTRO: Just shortly after that the detective took me in the room and started asking me questions and showing me pictures of the girls.
And when he showed me pictures of the girls, asking me, do you know these girls? He showed me first -- I can't even tell you which one he showed me first, but he said have you ever seen this girl?
And I said, no, I have never seen that girl. And then he showed me the other one. Have you ever seen this girl? I said, no, I have never seen that girl
And he says, that's Gina DeJesus and Amanda Berry. And my heart felt -- I just dropped, not physically, but I just hit the ground.
And after he said that's Amanda Berry and they were in your brother's house.
SAVIDGE: You knew who these girls were?
O. CASTRO: From the picture, I couldn't recognize -- oh, I told them they don't look like the girls that have been pinned up and posted up.
He says, yes, that's how malnourished they are.
SAVIDGE: So you're in this interrogation room and suddenly the police officer is showing you these photos and said that they are in your brother's home and you were expressing how you felt. It was just a physical feeling?
O. CASTRO: Oh, it was just heart dropping. It was just terrible when they said that -- when he said that it's Amanda Berry and Gina DeJesus and they were in your brother's house.
I just couldn't believe it because, you know, there was no signs of anything like that. I seen no signs.
SAVIDGE: You had been to the house?
P. CASTRO: Yes.
SAVIDGE: You would go to the house?
P. CASTRO: Yes.
SAVIDGE: I mean, how often?
P. CASTRO: No, no. Not how often. I didn't go to his house very much. But when I did, he would let me in. Go past the kitchen. I would sit down. And the reason why we would go in the kitchen because he had alcohol. He would take me in the kitchen and give me a shot and ...
SAVIDGE: But he would -- when you'd go in the house, he would be specific then to stay in the kitchen? Or it just seemed that you stayed in the kitchen?
P. CASTRO: Yeah. I wasn't allowed past the kitchen.
SAVIDGE: Could you see anything beyond the kitchen?
P. CASTRO: No. Cause there's curtains.
SAVIDGE: He had the house blocked off with curtains?
He say why?
P. CASTRO: He told me, I think it was wintertime, and he said he wanted to keep the heat in the kitchen because the gas bill.
SAVIDGE: And what about -- could you hear anything in the home?
P. CASTRO: No. The radio was playing all the time.
SAVIDGE: He would play music all the time?
P. CASTRO: Yeah. If not the radio, the TV, something had to be on at all times in the kitchen. So I couldn't hear nothing else but the radio or the TV.
SAVIDGE: Didn't any of that strike you as unusual or strange?
P. CASTRO: No, because Ariel was -- to me he was a strange dude. I mean, it didn't phase me none.
And another thing, I seen Ariel with a little girl at McDonald's. And I asked him, who's that? And he said this is a girlfriend's of mine.
SAVIDGE: The daughter belonged to a girlfriend of his?
P. CASTRO: Yes. And then I said, well, where's she at? She's at Metro. She's taking care of something at Metro.
OK. So I left it at that and I left because he's with this little girl and they're going to have breakfast.
Then about three weeks later, I seen him -- I seen his truck at Burger King. And then again he's with this little girl.
And then I question him, where's the mother? Oh, she had to do something. So I just let it go.
SAVIDGE: You believed him?
P. CASTRO: I believed it. But I had no idea that that little girl was his or Amanda's.
MALVEAUX: A monster. That is how Onil Castro thinks of his brother Ariel now.
We're going to hear more about what Onil and Pedro wish they could say to their brother's victims.
This is part two of CNN's exclusive interview, right after this.
MALVEAUX: We are back with more of CNN's exclusive interview. This is with Pedro and Onil Castro, the brothers of the Cleveland kidnapping suspect Ariel Castro. They were arrested last week shortly after, of course, those three young women and a child were rescued from captive after 10 years.
HOLMES: Yes, after 10 years. But the thing was, police then released Pedro and Onil saying neither man had anything to do with the alleged abductions and torture. Now they are talking exclusively to CNN for the first time since their release.
MALVEAUX: They sat down with our Martin Savidge to talk about their brother and this whole ordeal.
SAVIDGE: Did you, in any way, know, help, assist your brother in the horrible things he's accused of doing?
O. CASTRO: Absolutely not. No idea that this horrific crime was going on.
P. CASTRO: No.
SAVIDGE: You know there are people who will say you had to know. How is it possible for so long, in that home, your brother, you couldn't know?
P. CASTRO: For those people out there, let me tell you something, I had nothing to do with this and I don't know how - how it -- my brother got away with it for so - so many years because that would never cross my mind.
SAVIDGE: He fooled you?
P. CASTRO: He fooled me cause I used to go there more than he did to work on cars, clean the yard, you know, help him out and stuff. But never go beyond the kitchen.
SAVIDGE: Onil, there was nothing?
O. CASTRO: Absolutely nothing that I can see that was unusual in that backyard. I can't say in the house, because I haven't been in the house in years.
SAVIDGE: Do you worry now that people will always suspect that you actually did have a role?
O. CASTRO: Absolutely.
P. CASTRO: Yes.
O. CASTRO: And the people who are out there that know me, they know that Onil Castro is not that person. Has nothing to do with that.
P. CASTRO: The same. I - I couldn't never think of doing anything like that. If I knew that my brother was doing this -
O. CASTRO: I would have to -
P. CASTRO: I would not be - I would not -- in a minute, I would call the cops, because that ain't right. But, yes, it's going to haunt me down because people going to think, yes, Pedro got something to do with this. And Pedro don't have nothing to do with this. If I knew, I would have reported it. Brother or no brother.
SAVIDGE: What is your brother to you now?
O. CASTRO: A monster. Hateful. I hope he rots in that jail. I don't even want them to take his life like that. I want him to suffer in that jail. To the last extent. I don't care if we even feed him, for what he has done to my life and my family's.
P. CASTRO: I feel the same way.
SAVIDGE: To the both of you now, he no longer exists?
P. CASTRO: Right.
O. CASTRO: Yes.
SAVIDGE: He is gone?
O. CASTRO: He's a goner.
SAVIDGE: Almost as if he were dead.
P. CASTRO: Yes.
O. CASTRO: The monster's a goner. I'm glad that the -- he left the door unlocked or whatever he did. Whether he did it on purpose. Maybe he wanted to get caught. Maybe time was up. Maybe he was inside too much. He wanted to get caught. But if he did it that way, he shouldn't have went to mama's house and picked me up and put me in a car if he know that was going to happen.
SAVIDGE: If you could talk to Gina, if you could talk to Michelle, if you could talk to Amanda, and in a way you are I guess, what would you say?
P. CASTRO: I would - I would tell her - I would tell her that I'm sorry that you had to go through this. That I was - I was thinking about these girls being missing. And I'm just grateful that they're home and, you know, out of that horrible house. And I just tell them that I'm sorry for what Ariel done, cause, see, I -- not much - it's -- Felix, I know him for a long time, and when I find out that Ariel had Gina, I just - I just broke - I just broke down cause it's shocking. Ariel, we know this guy for a long time, Felix, and you got his --
SAVIDGE: This is Gina's father?
P. CASTRO: Yes, Felix. Felix DeJesus. SAVIDGE: Yes.
P. CASTRO: And you got his daughter? And that - and you go -- you go around like nothing? You even went to the vigils. You had posters. You give his momma a hug. And you got his daughter captive? And do what you - what people are saying or police or whatever?
SAVIDGE: Who does that?
P. CASTRO: Yes. Yes, who does that?
O. CASTRO: Monsters.
P. CASTRO: People that have no - no heart. They feel no heart, no feelings, dead.
SAVIDGE: Onil, the same thing? I mean if you --
O. CASTRO: I feel the same thing. I just want the -- also the families to get the justice for the fullest extent -- to the fullest extent. And I don't want ever, ever to see anything like that happen to anybody in this world. I know that it's happening and we have no control over it, but if i can do something about it, I will. And to stop something like that, I would never let anything like that happen, go on to my worst enemy. This has torn my heart apart. This has killed me. I am a walking corpse right now. And there's God up there that knows -- God's up there that knows that me and Pedro are innocent on this. We didn't have the slightest idea of this going on.
SAVIDGE: Why are you talking to me?
P. CASTRO: I want - I wanted the world to know that I did nothing such. I am innocent. Like I said, if I'd have known anything, I would not keep my mouth shut. I would have done something, because I can't believe that Ariel was committing such a hateful crime for this long amount of time. Acted like if nothing happened in this. You know, no worries. I wanted the world to know that Onil and Pedro, me, Pedro, had nothing to do with this. It was a shock to me to learn that my brother, Ariel, was doing this.
SAVIDGE: Onil, I can see the sort of stress in you. I can see that this is something you're physically enduring.
O. CASTRO: Yes, it hurts. It hurts a lot. Like I said earlier, I woke up out of a nightmare last night. I want to wake up out of this one and I just can't.
P. CASTRO: No.
O. CASTRO: I didn't want to see today.
SAVIDGE: And I want to thank you both for talking to us and for sharing with us and opening up to us. Thank you.
O. CASTRO: Thank you. And --
P. CASTRO: Thank you. And I hope the world listen to us and --
O. CASTRO: We want our lives back. We want back to normal. I want - I want - I want - I don't - I want this to erase out of my mind like it never happened. I don't want to know this. I don't want this to be true. Like I said earlier, I want to wake up out of this nightmare.
P. CASTRO: I want - I want to say that I don't want to be haunted down like a dog for a crime that I did not commit. I don't want to be locked up in my house because somebody out there is going to do harm to me. I want to be free like I was. Now I feel trapped for what somebody else did. And it's a family member. That shouldn't -- they should not take it out on a family. Threats of burning up the houses, killing Pedro, that's not right. You already got your monster, please give us our freedom. I want the world to know this.
SAVIDGE: Thank you. Thank you both.
MALVEAUX: Unbelievable story from the two of them.
HOLMES: Extraordinary interview by Martin Savidge there. Unbelievable.
Well, O.J. Simpson, as you see there, back in court right now, trying to avoid spending the next 28 years in prison.
MALVEAUX: Coming up in the next hour of CNN NEWSROOM, a key witness from the first trial talks about Simpson's chances of winning his appeal.
HOLMES: Welcome back, everyone.
Crews winding down their search for the missing, the bodies in that collapsed factory in Bangladesh. Officials actually planning to end the recovery effort tomorrow.
MALVEAUX: The death toll has now reached 1,127. The last rescue happened Friday. That's when crews found a 19-year-old woman alive underneath the rubble. She talked about the experience from her hospital bed. Listen.
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RESHMA BEGUM SURVIVOR (through translator): I had nothing to eat. I found water and nothing else. I couldn't breathe. For an hour I looked for water and found it. Every so often I'd look for water. And I found a little bit and drank it. Then I didn't find anymore. With a lot of painful effort, I climbed downstairs by using a stick to break through tiny spaces. I called for help, but no one heard me. I'd heard sound, but no one heard me.
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MALVEAUX: Incredible. HOLMES: Unbelievable. This is an extraordinary child. Doctors say that she is, though, making what they call a steady recovery.
MALVEAUX: Some good news.
HOLMES: At last, yes.
MALVEAUX: We like that.
That's it for us. Thanks for watching AROUND THE WORLD. CNN NEWSROOM starts right now.
HOLMES: See you tomorrow.