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Video Shows Women Rescued from Castro Home; Castro Brothers Talk About Ordeal; Brother Arrested in Stabbing of Leila Fowler; Latest on the Boston Bombing Investigation.
Aired May 13, 2013 - 13:30 ET
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ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: We are getting a brand new look today at how those brave young women and one little girl escaped from captivity after 10 years of alleged abuse and torture in a Cleveland house. This is new cell phone video that we have. You can see the police standing outside the house where investigators say Ariel Castro kept the women for all those years. You can see officers saving -- rushing in to save them. It's just remarkable that this happened to be caught by some women who were driving down the street at the time and thought all the police activity was because they were being pulled over. Instead, they started rolling cell-phone video. All of this as the FBI has been sealing up and boarding off, not only Ariel Castro's home, but surrounding homes, the houses surrounding his home. They've already checked those houses for evidence. They've even had cadaver dogs going through that area.
Castro's home is, without question, a crime scene. It is considered a crime scene, and some in the community now say it should be torn down and replaced with a memorial.
And now, a crisis management team has stepped in to represent the victims in this case, pro bono, at no charge. They're sharing messages from the young women. They're thanking people for their support and prayers, and letting everybody know through these attorneys that they are, indeed, now safe. Remarkable.
We have a CNN exclusive interview to share with you today. Pedro and Onil Castro, they're the brothers of the Cleveland kidnap suspect, Ariel Castro. They were arrested last week shortly after those three young women and the child were rescued from their captivity ordeal, but then police released Pedro and Onil Castro, saying neither man had anything to do with the alleged abductions and torture and house of horrors.
They sat down with our Martin Savidge to talk about their brother and what they think about this entire ordeal.
MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What is your brother to you now?
ONIL CASTRO, BROTHER OF ARIEL CASTRO: Monster, hateful. I hope he rots in that jail. I don't even want them to take his life like that. I want him to suffer in that jail, to the last extent. I don't care even freedom, what he has done to my life and my family's. PEDRO CASTRO, BROTHER OF ARIEL CASTRO: I feel the same way.
SAVIDGE: To the both of you now, he no longer exists?
P. CASTRO: Right.
O. CASTRO: Yes.
SAVIDGE: He is gone?
O. CASTRO: He's goner.
SAVIDGE: Almost as if he were dead.
P. CASTRO: Yes.
O. CASTRO: The monster's a goner. I'm glad that the -- he left the door unlocked or whatever he did, whether he did it on purpose, maybe he wanted to get caught, maybe time was up, maybe he was inside too much, he wanted to get caught. But if he did it that way, he shouldn't have went to momma's house and picked me up and put me in the car if he knew that was going to happen.
SAVIDGE: If you could talk to Gina, if you could talk to Michele, if you could talk to Amanda -- and in a way you are, I guess -- what would you say?
P. CASTRO: I would tell her -- I would tell them that I'm sorry that you had to go through this, that I always thinking about these girls being missing. I'm just grateful that they're home and, you know, out of that horrible house. I just tell them that I'm sorry for what Ariel done. Not much is -- Felix, I know him for a long time. And when I find out that Ariel had Gina, I just -- I just broke -- I just broke down because it's shocking. Ariel -- we know this guy for a long time, Felix.
SAVIDGE: This is Gina's father?
CASTRO: Yes, Felix, Felix DeJesus. And you got his daughter? And you go around like it's nothing? You even went to the vigils. You had posters. You give his momma a hug. And you got his daughter captive?
SAVIDGE: Onil, the same thing?
O. CASTRO: Same thing. I just want also the families to get justice to the fullest extent. And I don't want ever, ever to see anything like that happen to anybody in this world. This has tore my heart apart. This has killed me. I am a walking corpse right now.
BANFIELD: Martin Savidge joins us live now from Cleveland.
Martin, it's just a remarkable interview that you secured with these two brothers.
I'm curious, as bits and pieces of this interview are being aired all day on CNN, there are times when those brothers are extremely upset for what they have gone through. Did you feel they were equally as outraged and devastated over what the girls went through?
SAVIDGE: Oh, yes, absolutely. That was the main reason they wanted to talk. That was the first thing they wanted to talk about was the fact that they were relieved that they were now free, that they were out, and that they wanted to make sure people knew they had nothing to do with it. But, yes, it was the girls always, first and foremost on their minds. Explaining they were totally innocent, that was second in the message they wanted to make. There's no anger there. No anger against the police or against anybody else. If there is anger, it's against their brother, the betrayal they feel on the part of the family. And also I think there is that sense that they missed something. They should have seen something. But like so many in the neighborhood, they didn't see it.
BANFIELD: I can't imagine what they are living through at this time either.
Martin Savidge, excellent work in Cleveland. Just an excellent interview. And we're going to be playing a whole lot more of that throughout the day.
Marty, thank you.
Another major story as well, an arrest, and not the kind you would have expected in the stabbing death of that little girl, Leila Fowler. It is her brother they now have under arrest, her 12-year-old brother. And the possible punishment he could face? You may not believe someone that young could get that kind of punishment.
Back after this.
BANFIELD: A shocking arrest has ended a massive manhunt in northern California. For the last two weeks now, police have been searching for a mystery intruder who they believed had killed an 8-year-old girl named Leila Fowler.
Our Dan Simon has more on the bombshell that rocked that small community.
DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In the days after her killing, an emotional candlelight vigil to remember 8-year-old Leila Fowler, known for her bubbly personality.
AMY HASSELWANDER, PRINCIPAL, JENNY LIND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL: Leila was beautiful and strong. She was kind. I remembered that Leila liked purple. SIMON: Leila's family, among the mourners. Her 12-year-old brother, the one who told police that an intruder stabbed his sister while they were home alone and their parents were at a little league baseball game, a story authorities now say was a lie.
GARY KUNTZ, SHERIFF, CALAVERAS COUNTY, CALIFORNIA: At 5:10 p.m., detectives arrested Leila's 12-year-old brother at the Valley Springs substation on a charge of homicide.
BANFIELD: That was Dan Simon reporting for us. And charges of homicide for Leila Fowler's brother, 12 years old. This could be probably one of the cases that would show the youngest-ever tried for murder if it actually gets that far. There have been others, yes, very young. But, again, 12.
And as of right now, police are keeping the details of this entire investigation pretty darn close to their vest. But we have learned -- in fact, we have just learned that that boy apparently was suspended from school earlier on this year, got a five-day suspension we are told, apparently for bringing a pocket knife, a small pocket knife to school.
And by the way, one of the details that police have not revealed is what kind of knife was used in the murder of Leila Fowler, but they have been looking at some of the knives inside the Fowler home.
Danny Cevallos is a criminal defense attorney who joins me live from Philadelphia.
Danny, this is an arrest that happened on Saturday, but the details and the arraignment are somewhat delayed. Given the fact that we're dealing with a 12-year-old, is that any surprise to you?
DANNY CEVALLOS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Not at all. When it comes to the juvenile system, the minor's identity is closely safeguarded. These hearings, these proceedings and the information are often not publicly available information. Many lawyers can't even find that stuff online. We have to go downtown to the courthouse and physically look at an old-fashioned file because the idea is we protect the juvenile's identity.
The other thing to remember, too, in California, minors can be charged as adults, but really not unless they're 14 and above. So it's very interesting procedurally how the prosecution is going to go forward with the homicide charges, whether he'll stay in juvenile court or somehow get transferred to adult court, which, under California law, doesn't seem possible.
BANFIELD: So just run me through the technicalities of it, because every jurisdiction is different. And I'm failing in my memory of California. Is it automatic if you're 14, and the charges are this aggravating, or is it when you are 12 and younger, impossible? Technically, could he be advanced to adult court at 12 years old? CEVALLOS: Minors 14 and above, there's a system called direct filing. And that puts almost all the authority to charge as an adult in the prosecutor, not the court. Now, the juvenile can have a hearing to see if he can get himself out of adult court, which you never want to be in as a juvenile. You want to get back to juvenile court, because the goal in juvenile court is treatment, rehabilitation and supervision, not incarceration. You also want to get out of adult court.
However, it appears to me pretty clear, in California, no one above 14 may be charged as an adult. That doesn't mean he won't be charged and tried in the juvenile system, which has judges and a court and all the same rules of evidence for the most part.
BANFIELD: And just 10 seconds left, but if he does get elevated to adult court, one of the most serious sentences you could face is life, no parole. I know the Supreme Court has weighed-in on that, but they haven't abolished it.
CEVALLOS: No. It has not yet been abolished. And, of course, the state sentencing rules, if he is -- if he were to be tried as an adult, which, again, I don't believe he can be tried as an adult, however, the state sentencing will govern there.
BANFIELD: All right. Well, we'll watch to see that. It's disturbing on every angle.
Danny Cevallos, thank you for your insight on that. We appreciate it.
It is Monday, and that means that the Boston bombing is now four weeks ago today. Coming up, the very latest on that investigation.
BANFIELD: Four weeks ago today, there were two bombs that went off and changed people's lives forever at the Boston Marathon. I was in Boston to cover that terrible terrorist attack. Three people were killed in that attack, two lovely young women and a little boy, all of them spectators at the event, who lost their lives that day. We also want to remember the officer who was gunned down by the alleged suspects in this crime.
Today, two brothers, also victims of this crime, each who had a leg amputated after the bombings, spoke out about what they have been through. Here's what one of them had to say.
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PAUL NORDEN, BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING SURVIVOR: Had a couple bad days, but with all the support and, like, you know, our family's here constantly. It's all good. I'm ready to move on. I feel great. I feel like myself, it's just a different normal, you know? But it's exciting to know I'm going home real soon.
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BANFIELD: Wow. Going home real soon.
All of this as there are still questions about whether law enforcement could have done something to stop the bombers before they acted. And now a law enforcement official tells CNN that Russia withheld key details about Tamerlan Tsarnaev back in 2011 when Russia first told the United States about his possible extremism, details that the source says could have altered the course that authorities followed. The source also says that Russia didn't tell the United States about some text messages from Tsarnaev to his mother expressing his desire to join a militant movement.
In the meantime, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was finally buried last week after a month of people refusing to take his body. And his brother is still in prison awaiting a trial for all of these allegations.
BANFIELD: OK, I feel like I've been full of such bad news, I have great news for you. For the first time ever, the Dow closed above 15,000 and it happened last week. It's all of this breaking news.
So if you're already in the stock market, does that mean it's time the cash out now? Does it mean you should get in? Those are tough questions that CNN's Christine Romans knows a lot more than I do. And here she is in this week's "Smart is the New Rich."
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Record highs for the stock market. But investors are wary.
MOHAMED EL-ERIAN, CEO, PIMCO: Investors are excited they are making money, but they are really anxious. They understand that this has an element of artificiality.
ROMANS: If that's what the pros are saying, imagine how anxious individual retail investors must feel about this market rally.
And what about the almost half of all Americans who are just too scared to invest in stocks? Americans have few other choices out there to help build wealth and save for retirement. In today's low- interest-rate environment, the returns on bonds and interest bearing accounts are negligible.
MATT MCCALL, PRESIDENT, PENN FINANCIAL GROUP: A lot of investors, Christine, are on the sidelines waiting to get in. What are you waiting for? We are hitting all-time highs. Get in the market.
ROMANS (on camera): But they are afraid they've seen a bull market is more than four years old. They don't want to be the sucker at the end.
(voice-over): But get in how? Look for value in companies that may be lagging behind in the recent bull market run.
LIZ MILLER, PRESIDENT, SUMMIT PLACE FINANCIAL ADVISERS: The way we have seen industrial names lag, really, to me, is a buying opportunity. We will have economic growth and these more sensitive companies have plenty of opportunity to get stronger and the stocks to move higher.
You know, it's perfectly good to be happy and take profits off the table, and keep the positions, keep the commitment.
ROMANS: Christine Romans, CNN, Las Vegas.
JARED GREENBERG, BLEACHERREPORT.COM: With your "Bleacher Report" update, I'm Jared Greenberg.
That guy in red, looking more and more like Tiger Woods of 13 years ago. If Sergio Garcia didn't think Woods was, quote, unquote, "the nicest guy on the tour" heading into the game, he's really not going to like him now. But did Woods win the player's championship or did Garcia hand it to him? One of the all-time great chock jobs on 17. Anyone thirsty for a drink? It doesn't take a golf expert to know that when a hole is a par three and you pencil in a seven, that's not very good. Garcia lost six shots in his final two holes, going from tired for the lead to eighth, leaving the door wide open for Woods. And Lindsey Vonn's man went old school, win number 78, four shy of the all-time record. Also his fourth win of the year. Reserve your seat on the couch for Father's Day. It's going to be an exciting one at the U.S. Open.
If you had a bad weekend, it probably wasn't as bad as this guy. It comes in as number-four on today's Bleacherreport.com line up. Speaking of lineups, former NFL wide receiver, Titus Young, was arrested on Friday, marking the third time he found himself in handcuffs in the past week. Young allegedly broke into a home, tried to outrun the cops, then got into an altercation with the police. This comes on the heels of suspicion of driving under the influence and attempting to steal his car out of the tow yard after it was impounded.
From the department of "when billionaires get bored," Richard Branson played the part of a female flight attendant after losing a bet. The owner of Virgin Airlines had to get all decked out and serve the owner of Air Asia after the two bet on whose Formula One racing team would have the better season. Branson admitted maybe this isn't his best look. The understatement there. He also said he's probably suited better for his regular gig. During the eight-hour flight, Branson accidentally dropped a tray of drinks in the lap of Tony Fernandez.
Don't quit your day job, Mr. Branson.
For more, go to Bleacherreeport.com on CNN.com.
I'm Jared Greenberg.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BANFIELD: This has been a very busy hour, but an update for you on the Arias case in Phoenix. We're learning about some of the meetings last week. The jury had a question for the judge an hour before they had a verdict. We're not being told what the question was. We weren't even told that there was a question. But there you have it.
And also, those secret ex parte meetings last week that all of a sudden shut everything down until Wednesday, nobody was aware of the meeting, the one-sided meeting in the judge's chamber? Now we know. Apparently, Ms. Arias' counsel asked the judge for a motion to get the death penalty off the table. Motion denied. That ex parte meeting quickly turned not attorneys but Jodi herself, and then also there were meetings with the prosecution as well. So not so ex parte after all.
But we do know one thing, on Wednesday, it all gets back underway. That's the sentencing phase in which have to decide first if there was a cruelty involved in the murder before they move on to the next part.
I'm going to be in Phoenix live for you.
That's it for me today. Thanks for being with us.
NEWSROOM continues now with Brooke Baldwin.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: He was perhaps the most famous defendant on the planet, and now, after years behind bars, O.J. Simpson is in court asking for his freedom.
I'm Brooke Baldwin. The news is now.
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O. CASTRO: Monster, hateful. I hope he rots in that jail.
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BALDWIN: A CNN exclusive, the brothers of an alleged kidnapper and rapist get candid.