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AROUND THE WORLD
Russia Detains American as Spy; Angelina Jolie Has Double Mastectomy; White House Facing Tough Questions; Chilling Photos of Ariel Castro's House; NTSB Recommend Lowering Legal Blood Alcohol Limit; Prince Harry Tours New Jersey
Aired May 14, 2013 - 12:00 ET
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome to AROUND THE WORLD. I'm Suzanne Malveaux.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Michael Holmes. Thanks for your company today, everyone.
We begin with rising tensions between the U.S. and Russia. Why? Russian security forces detaining an American diplomat in Moscow, accusing him of being a spy.
MALVEAUX: They say they caught him red handed trying to recruit a member of Russia's Special Services.
Our Phil Black is in Moscow for us.
And, Phil, first of all, this American, he's been detained. Now he has been released. What exactly was he accused of, and do we know where he is?
PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Suzanne, this man, Ryan Fogle, according to the United States, he works in the embassy as the third secretary of their political department. According to the Russians, he works for the CIA. And they say they caught him red handed in an unconvincing blonde wig in the process of trying to recruit some of their own, or one of their own, Russian special services agents.
They say they caught him with what essentially amounts to a spy kit, which included a compass, a flashlight, a couple of pocket knives and they also say a big bundle of cash, some sunglasses, another wig, and a written letter which they say were instructions for the man that he was - or that he is accused of trying to recruit there. He has been released back to U.S. embassy officials. And the U.S. - sorry, the Russian foreign ministry now says that he is persona non grata, he is being expelled from this country.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: You know, Phil, it's no real surprise that, you know, Russia has spies and the U.S. has spies and they're out there spying on each other, but this comes at a pretty awkward time in terms of the relationship between the two countries, which was frosty, and then it's thawing out a little lately. BLACK: Indeed it's been very frosty over the last 18 months or so, especially ever since Vladimir Putin returned to the presidency of this country and the Russian government has, on numerous occasions, accused the United States of trying to interfere and meddle in Russian affairs, to try and influence Russian politics, particularly through allegedly financing NGOs here on the ground which deal with democratic issues or human rights.
In the last few weeks, we've seen an improvement since the Boston bombings. We've seen both presidents of both countries saying they're going to work more closely together on counterterrorism issues. The intelligence agencies are going to be closer.
In addition to that, we've seen the U.S. secretary, John Kerry, in Moscow just last week as these two countries try to work more closely together on Syria. It now remains to be seen if this red-faced alleged spy will in some way damage or derail that recent progress.
HOLMES: A little embarrassing. Phil, good to see you. Phil Black there in our Moscow bureau.
MALVEAUX: And our top story, Oscar winning actress Angelina Jolie revealing to the world a very personal decision here and a very brave one. That is to have a double mastectomy.
HOLMES: Yes, the 37-year-old mother of six wrote about her surgery and breast reconstruction as well in a "New York Times" op-ed article out today. She says she did it as a preventive measure after learning she carries a gene mutation that made it extremely likely really that she would develop breast cancer.
MALVEAUX: Her mother, who was also an actress, dried of ovarian cancer at the age of 56. And Jolie wrote, "I wanted to write this to tell other women that the decision to have a mastectomy was not easy, but it is one I'm very happy that I made. My chances of developing breast cancer have dropped from 87 percent to under 5 percent."
HOLMES: Yes. She goes on to say, "I can tell my children that they don't need to fear they will lose me to breast cancer." Elizabeth Cohen joins us now to talk about her decision.
Tell us a little bit more about this gene mutation and what it means and why it then guided her towards this decision.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Right, so we all have breast cancer genes. We have them. Even men have them. When you have a mutated version of it, it means that you likely will have an increased risk of getting breast cancer. And the amount of that increase depends upon which mutation she has. She has one that gives her an 87 percent chance of getting breast cancer. I should put that in the past tense. She had.
MALVEAUX: Right. COHEN: So she got her breasts removed. So now she's not 100 percent free of that risk, but she's got a little bit of breast tissue left under her arms, because they always leave some, so now she has less than a 5 percent chance. So what - the way that it works is that if you have a family history of breast cancer or ovarian cancer, you can talk to a doctor or a genetic counselor, is this the right test for me? Should I get it?
MALVEAUX: So, Elizabeth, I think the one thing that everybody was asking is, do we need to go out and get tested? Do we have to have a gene test? Or is it so rare that that is not likely something that all of us need to do to find out whether or not we're likely to get breast cancer?
COHEN: Right, it's so wonderful that she's come out like this. However, there is one possible downside, which is that women are going to go bananas and everyone's going to want this test. And doctors I've talked to this morning have feared that. They fear this.
MALVEAUX: Why (INAUDIBLE)?
COHEN: Because if you don't have a family history of breast cancer, there's no reason to suspect that you have a breast cancer gene. If all the women in your family have been fine, and the men, then, you know, you probably don't have a gene. If you go out and get the test, there is a possibility that that test is going to say, you know, you've got some weird mutation, but we don't know what it is. We don't know what it's going to do to you. You may be fine, you may not be, we don't know. And then you're stuck. What do you do? Do you remove your breasts with a question mark? Do you not? Do you take drugs? What do you do? So you don't want to get that sort of difficult, fuzzy answer unless you really need to ask the question.
HOLMES: And the other thing, too, isn't it important to say, that this genetic - this gene mutation, it's a very small percentage of breast cancers, isn't it? Tiny.
COHEN: Exactly. About 85 percent of women who get breast cancer have no family history, no genetic anyway. It's just this, you know, very bad luck.
COHEN: I know. People think, well, when women get breast cancer, they probably had a family history. Well, probably they didn't. Probably it's just bad luck.
MALVEAUX: And this is expensive. This is not a cheap thing to do, to go out and get tested like this.
COHEN: It isn't. It's not a cheap thing to do. Angelina Jolie mentioned that it cost about - cost her about $3,000. And insurance often covers it, but not 100 percent of the time. And here's --
HOLMES: And some don't, right?
COHEN: And some don't cover it.
COHEN: And if you're uninsured, then you're really in a pickle. And here's the reason why or one of the reasons why this test is so expensive, only one company makes it, because they own the patent on the gene. So only one company makes it. No competition. Those prices, you know, stay high. The Supreme Court is reviewing this right now. so pretty soon they may tell this company, sorry, your patent's up. Other people can make it and maybe that price will come down.
HOLMES: Yes. And interesting too that - we were discussing this before, in the U.K. and other countries it's free. Under the socialized medicine in the U.K., for example, it's free, yes.
COHEN: Well, and when Obamacare comes into full swing next year, then it will be covered by more insurance.
COHEN: You will see more people covered, yes.
MALVEAUX: All right. Well, good for Angelina Jolie to bring this to our attention.
COHEN: So brave and so important.
HOLMES: It's all about awareness. Yes, that's great.
MALVEAUX: Thank you.
HOLMES: We'll see you, Elizabeth.
HOLMES: All right, later this hour, we're actually going to be talking with a Miss USA contestant about her decision to have a double mastectomy next month. Her mother actually died from breast cancer.
MALVEAUX: And the White House is under fire. It's on the defensive today facing a lot of tough questions on several fronts. So you've got allegations involving the IRS, documents showing the agency targeted Tea Party organizations and other groups that are focused on government spending and federal debt. You've got conservative groups that were given extra scrutiny and the agency focusing on the words "Tea Party" or "patriot" in applications for tax exempt status.
HOLMES: And then there's the Justice Department accused of secretly collecting two months of phone records from reporters and editors at the Associated Press. The news agency calling it, quote, a massive and unprecedented intrusion into its reporting. AP's president says federal agents collected records from more than 20 phone lines, including personal phones and AP office numbers in New York, Connecticut and Washington.
MALVEAUX: And on top of all of that, there is still the fallout of the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya. So, we're going to bring in Jessica Yellin at the White House, Gloria Borger in our D.C. bureau.
Jess, I want to start off with you because, you know, having covered the White House for years, you know what it's like, we know what it's like to have that energy and that tension in the Briefing Room before the briefing. Jay Carney is always, you know, pretty cool under fire here. But, typically, go would go to reporters, one by one, and start to try to, you know, put out these fires. How are they handling all this right now, Jess?
JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Suzanne, they know that they are under intense scrutiny right now and that this briefing will be watched very closely. Look, I don't expect to get a lot of satisfaction from Jay Carney at this briefing, to be frank, because they're going to argue that there is a firewall effectively between the White House and the Justice Department or the White House and the IRS on the two big stories of the day.
And the Justice Department in that story, they'll say, this is what I'm -- this is my understanding at this point. The Justice Department, you know, because they're investigating links at the White House, the White House doesn't have control over what the attorney general's people do over there, and so you can just see Jay Carney saying, we can't direct that investigation and the White House already arguing the president didn't know about it.
And then, on the other hand, when you look over at the IRS, post- Watergate there were reforms actually put into place that bars the White House from intervening in the IRS. So that's their defense on that front. It's the very same reason why it's a huge problem if they did intervene. So I don't expect to get a whole lot of detailed answer, but we're certainly going to push for them.
I will point out that the attorney general is the one person who should be speaking today, Suzanne. He oversaw the DOJ when this AP subpoena was issued and he has been silent all morning despite our repeated requests for information about whether he approved the subpoena. We get kicked back and forth between different public information officials with no answer. The attorney general is supposed to speak at 1:00 today. We'll see if the White House waits for the attorney general to speak before Jay Carney goes before cameras.
HOLMES: Yes, Gloria, let's bring you in now. What are your thoughts on the amount of trouble the White House is in or not in? You know, when you look at the IRS scandal, the Justice, but -- in fact, you wrote a column on cnn.com about Benghazi. I want to just quote from that. "We're in dangerous territory right now, although the president himself seems to be having none of it, calling the investigation a political circus. Sure it is. But in the center ring is something that still begs an explanation." Explain what you mean by that.
GLORIA BORGER, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, in the case of Benghazi, they've got questions to answer. And the questions are, how did these now infamous talking points, describing to the American public or to Congress, which was going to describe to the American public, how did these talking points go through a dozen iterations starting out with something that was more broad, probably closer to the truth, and winding up with something that was so bland and gauzy that it only contains something that actually was not the truth, which was that the -- that the attack was inspired by a video, right? And so -- or that the protests were spontaneous, I guess, is what the final talking point said.
So, there's an interesting story here, and I think what it may really end up in the end telling us is what happens at the very high levels of government when you have the State Department and the CIA going at logger heads at each other over how to characterize something that occurred overseas. Because after all, as we now know, Benghazi was much more of a CIA outpost than it was part of the State Department, yet the State Department was having to answer questions about it.
HOLMES: Yes. Yes. Gloria and Jess, we'll leave it there. Thanks so much. A little bit of a preview of what we might hear coming up, right?
MALVEAUX: It's a royal mess. It's a hot mess that needs to - need to sort out a lot of that stuff.
BORGER: You're right. Yes.
MALVEAUX: The White House briefing set to get underway at the bottom of the hour. We expect a lot of questions on a lot of those controversies there, you know, and the whole thing with the AP, the Associated Press, very upset about this -
HOLMES: Yes. Yes, they're furious.
MALVEAUX: At the possibility of the Justice Department going over, poring over their phone records, not to their knowledge.
HOLMES: Yes. Yes. They're - they are annoyed, that's for sure. And I think most journalists would be if it happened. We're going to take you to that briefing live when it starts. Again, as Suzanne said, 12:30 Eastern.
All right, here is more of what we are working on this hour for AROUND THE WORLD.
So, we are talking about barbed wire, chains, even a girl's bicycle. We're going to show you exclusive pictures. This is from the kidnap suspect Arial Castro's backyard.
HOLMES: And Prince Harry, he's been on a tour of the storm-damaged Jersey shore from a pretty high profile tour guide. You can guess there who that is. We'll tell you how the tour went when we come back.
MALVEAUX: We're getting a disturbing new look today inside and outside the house where Ariel Castro is suspected of holding three women captive for more than a decade.
HOLMES: And what a neighbor saw in the backyard raising even more questions about what might have gone on in that house.
Pamela Brown with details.
PAMELA BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Chilling new photos give us a glimpse of Ariel Castro's backyard taken over the weekend by a neighbor
The backyard resembling a junkyard, spools of barbed wire and, probably the most unnerving, chains. The neighbor said he saw hundreds of thick heavy chains in the yard.
And then this mirror hanging on Castro's back door that may have allowed him to see if someone was coming up his driveway, possibly using it to prevent any surprise visitors.
And finally, a pink Barbie bicycle fit for a little girl, a bicycle that may have belonged to Amanda Berry's daughter fathered by Ariel Castro.
And moments after this cell phone video was shot of Amanda Berry's rescue ...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We've got Onil Castro and Ariel Castro in custody down here at McDonald's.
BROWN: Just released police dispatcher reporting that revealed the arrest of Ariel Castro.
And we're now learning more about him from six, different police reports filed about Castro since 1989 when he had an argument with his wife in which he allegedly, quote, "slapped her across the face several times, grabbed her and slammed her against the wall."
In 1994, a neighbor claimed Castro attempted to hit him with a shovel and threatened that he was going to take care of him when arguing over a chain link fence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the bond be set at $5 million.
BROWN: Castro remains on suicide precaution, being monitored every 10 minutes by guards, locked up in solitude, receiving no visitors, no friends, no family, no mail.
A life in those respects not unlike what DeJesus, Knight, and Berry and her daughter for years. (END VIDEOTAPE)
MALVEAUX: Pamela Brown is joining us live from Cleveland. And, Pam, first of all, we get this look at what's happening outside and in the backyard.
We heard from one of the Castro brothers, Martin Savidge in his interview, saying about the kitchen and the curtains that led to the rest of the house that were off-limits. Do we have a sense of when investigators are going to get inside of the house and give some of the details, the information of what took place and what it looks like inside the home?
BROWN (on camera): Well, actually, Suzanne, they were here yesterday. The medical examiner's office was here using what's called a steer-on camera. Essentially, it allows investigators to get a panoramic view inside the home, a 360-degree view inside each room, the kitchen, the attic, the basement, so pretty much every room in the house. And we're hearing that the medical examiner's presence here yesterday had nothing to do with searching for bodies. They're just the only agency with this special camera.
That evidence is going to be used and taken to the grand jury so that they can then come up with additional charges that Castro will likely face.
HOLMES: Pam, any updates on the victims today?
BROWN: Well, we spoke to a family friend of Gina DeJesus. And we're hearing that she's in good spirits, that she's bouncing around the house, that she's doing activities within the home.
She's enjoying being with her family and friends. In fact, she's asking for old friends that she knew before she disappeared, but we're also hearing that as much as she wants to get back to normal and live an everyday life, that she's afraid to leave her home. She's afraid of being bombarded by people and that she's still having her issues, that she's still recovering from the horrific ordeal, and she likely has a long path ahead of her in her healing.
As far as Michelle Knight goes, it's still a mystery where she is. I've been speaking to her family and they still don't know where she is. In fact, they asked me if I could give them the information. So that remains a mystery at this point.
As far as Amanda Berry goes, we haven't heard much from her family yet.
HOLMES: Yeah, you can only imagine how they're trying to deal with it.
Pam, good to see you. Thanks for that. Pam Brown there.
MALVEAUX: Yeah, that's going to be a long process.
HOLMES: It is. It sure is. MALVEAUX: Still ahead, a look at Prince Harry's tour of the United States. On the agenda today, touring some of the towns that were hit hard by Superstorm Sandy.
HOLMES: Yeah, we're going to take you live to the Jersey Shore right after this. And you see his tour guide there.
HOLMES: Welcome back, everyone, to AROUND THE WORLD. The top stories for you --
Right now in Washington, federal safety officials all want us to drink less if we are going to drive. The National Transportation Board voting to recommend dropping the legal blood alcohol limit from 0.08 to 0.05.
MALVEAUX: So they actually say that they can save 500 to 800 lives every year with these tougher standards. So just for comparison here, while the U.K. and Canada, they also have 0.08 limits, legal alcohol limit for drivers in Australia, 0.05. In Sweden, it's 0.02; in Albania, 0.01. They really don't -- I mean, you can't drink at 0.01.
HOLMES: No, you can't. No, no, no. And in Australia, too, 0.05, they will shut down entire roads and test every driver. They are dead serious by drink driving there. You do not want to drink and get behind the wheel in Australia.
MALVEAUX: You can always call a cab. There are so many services now. Ask for it really, where you just call. You don't have to get in trouble. Don't have to worry at all.
HOLMES: Yeah, you'd be terrified to do it Down Under. Trust me on that. It's a very serious thing.
Now Britain's Prince Harry, he's been out surveying the storm damage, also visiting the survivors of Superstorm Sandy.
MALVEAUX: So the prince is touring the Jersey Shore, spent part of his morning in Seaside. Governor Chris Christie, actually, he was the tour guide, and you noticed, too, that he's getting smaller since his surgery.
HOLMES: Fading away, yeah.
MALVEAUX: But they met first-responders, obviously, who were part of helping people out of the devastation.
And Poppy Harlow there and part of it all in the mix there. So what did they think? What do people in the Jersey Shore think of the prince?
POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I will tell you. They were thrilled, elated when his motorcade pulled up here to the boardwalk, Suzanne, in Seaside Heights. You could hear jubilation from women of all ages, very excited that the royal, Prince Harry, was here. But this was something that he really wanted to do. You know, he -- it was a personal thing for him. He wanted to come. He wanted to see the devastation.
Actually, we're told he wanted to see some of the worst-hit towns here. So that's what he did. He toured one of the nearby areas here, Mantoloking. That's a neighborhood that was very hard-hit by Sandy. He saw the devastation. He shook hands with first-responders, Governor Christie giving him the tour just as Governor Christie gave President Obama the tour of this area in the aftermath of Sandy. It has been seven months since Sandy and this place still has a lot of rebuilding to do.
Then the prince came over here to where I'm standing. This was the boardwalk, an iconic image, and it was really under water in Sandy. He came here. He played some games, some carnival games, toured around again with the governor. And he was thrown a lot of questions by people in the crowd. We couldn't get that close to him. But I want you to take a listen to what Prince Harry to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What your thoughts on seeing the community here today? What do you think?
PRINCE HARRY, UNITED KINGDOM: This is fantastic American spirit, isn't it? Everyone getting together and making things right. It's fantastic. Really good.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: Now, we're also told by a source close to the prince on this U.S. tour that Governor Christie was very happy to hear that the prince was planning to come here because what it does, guys, is it puts this coastline back on the map in terms of the recovery effort and the billions of dollars that are needed for it.
On a lighter note, a young 11-year-old girl named Taylor had her first meeting, possibly only meeting, with the prince. Here's what she told me.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TAYLOR (PH): It was really exciting because, well, like, I got to take off of school. And, like, just meeting him and the governor, it's really cool. And like to know that you got to meet him and like when you grow up, you can tell all your friends. And when you have kids, you can tell your kids, I got to meet the prince. So it's really cool.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HARLOW: And, of course, the big focus -- a big focus, guys, for the prince was meeting those first-responders here, thanking them for all they did
Now he's on his way into Manhattan. He's going to go to an event promoting British trade. Then he's going to head up to Harlem, go to a baseball event for underprivileged youth. And tonight, of course, when you're in New York, you've got to raise money, he's going to have a fundraiser tonight for a number of his foundations.
HOLMES: Thanks, Poppy. I love it. The little kid, the first thing on her list was I got off school. Then it was the prince and everything else.
MALVEAUX: I think she's, you know, planning for stories to tell her grandkids.
HOLMES: Yeah. Good to see you, Poppy. Poppy Harlow.
MALVEAUX: Still up ahead, keeping athletes safe, that's in the spotlight more than ever after last month's Boston marathon bombings.
We're going to show you what Russia now is doing to increase security ahead of next year's Olympic games in Sochi.