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AROUND THE WORLD
China's Cyber Hackers Target America's Defense Plans; China Also Accused of Stealing Blueprints of Australia's ASIO HQ; Potential for Bad Weather Ahead; Witness to British Soldier's Stabbing Speaks Out; Stuck Newborn's Mother Comes Forward; Beyonce Gets Slapped By Fan
Aired May 29, 2013 - 12:30 ET
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MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Well, the U.S. military says somebody's been poking around in their classified weapons designs, and they're pretty positive that it's computer hackers from China.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: It is modern-day high-tech espionage, but so far defense officials say no harm done. At least that is what they're saying publicly.
HOLMES: A published newspaper report, though, not so optimistic, suggesting that this cyber security breach is actually putting troops in the battlefield at risk.
Here's Brian Todd.
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: They're America's most advanced combat weapons and defense systems, the FA-18 fighter jet, the littoral combat ship, the Aegis ballistic missile defense system.
According to a new report, the designs for these and other high-tech weapons have been breached by Chinese hackers.
A confidential version of the report from the Defense Science Board made up of government and civilian experts was give to "The Washington Post."
The report doesn't accuse China of stealing entire designs, but if they didn't steal them, how did they compromise them?
We spoke with Kevin Mandia, a top cyber security expert who did a separate report this year on Chinese military hackers.
KEVIN MANDIA, CEO, MANDIANT: And bits and pieces of things will be taken from many different sources, different laptops, different computer systems that have been compromised.
But it's hard to take a lot of these pieces and gel them into one comprehensive picture of what might be being built or what the designs are.
TODD: CNN could not independently verify the latest report's findings.
Several members of the Defense Science Board who we contacted declined to speak to us.
U.S. defense and other officials downplayed the report, saying some of the information is dated, that they've taken steps to address the concerns, one saying, quote, "The idea that somehow whoever the intruders were got the keys to the weapons kingdom is a stretch."
But the Pentagon has recently accused China of trying to extract information from U.S. government computers, including military ones.
If the Chinese even got into parts of a combat or missile defense system, how could they have gotten past the safeguards?
MANDIA: There's a lot of engineering that gets done in an academic setting. There's a lot of engineering that gets done at defense industrial base. And a lot of these places have been compromised for over 10 years.
TODD: China's military ambition has been off the charts in recent years. They've launched a satellite-killer missile into space.
Just over the past two years they've deployed their first aircraft carrier and they have test-flown their first stealth fighter jet. One expert told me the technology from that was taken from the U.S.
And China's alleged hacking could be deadly for U.S. forces on the battlefield. I asked one expert about the publicly released part of this latest report on the consequences of the cyber snatching of weapons technology.
JAMES LEWIS, CENTER FOR STRATEGIC AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES: If you mess with that software, the airplane won't fly, the missile will miss its target and the ship might not get to where it was intended to go.
TODD: China's embassy in Washington did not respond to our calls and e-mail about this latest report.
China's government has repeatedly insisted it does not conduct cyber espionage on U.S. agencies or companies.
MALVEAUX: Brian Todd is joining us live from Washington.
And, Brian, first of all, the Chinese seemingly have been hacking American agencies and companies at-will really for years. How do U.S. officials stop them in any way?
TODD: Well, Suzanne, Michael, what we're told by experts is that the top U.S. defense contractors -- and you're talking about companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman -- what they have to do is to try to reduce their target area in cyberspace, try to reduce the amount of information, you know, blueprints, design plans, other documents that is in cyberspace that can be plucked by the Chinese.
The technical ways to do that are kind of too technical to really get into right now, but experts tell us that these companies are getting better at doing that, reducing their target area in cyberspace.
Secondly, they say when you sense that you've maybe been compromised, you've got to pounce on that immediately and try to minimize the damage, minimize the impact.
But a third component, at least one expert told me, is that diplomatically the U.S. really has to take this on with Chinese officials, sit down with them and say, look, we're partnering with you in many areas, but this kind of behavior has got to stop, and these are the consequences of that behavior.
We're told that this will almost certainly come up next month when President Obama meets with the Chinese president Xi Jinping in California.
MALVEAUX: Absolutely. All right, thank you, Brian. Appreciate it.
HOLMES: Yeah, and, China, while we're on the subject, is accused of stealing some top-secret government stuff in my neck of the woods. That's Australia, of course.
ASIO is Australia's equivalent to the CIA, and there's been media reports there that accuse Chinese hackers of breaking in and stealing the blueprints for ASIO's new headquarters in Canberra.
MALVEAUX: Today top officials, including the prime minister, they are going back and forth about whether or not those claims are even true, and if they are, what harm was done?
The Chinese completely deny that hackers stole those blueprints.
And we're also following this, sports taken now out of the Olympics might get a chance to jump back in the games. This is important for a lot of people.
HOLMES: It is. And we're talking sports like baseball, karate, wrestling -- which, wrestling, that was incredible it got voted out of the 2016 games.
Well, today officials are putting together a short list of recommendations for what to bring back in 2020. But get this. Only one sport makes the final vote in September. Pick your favorite.
MALVEAUX: I can't believe wrestling's going to go.
HOLMES: It's one of the original sports.
MALVEAUX: It'll win. I'm sure. We'll see.
This is being billed as -- by the French media, as the marriage of the century. There were about 500 guests in attendance. It was a ceremony that was watched by the world.
HOLMES: Yeah, this was in Montpellier, France, the south of France. After months of protests, the first same-sex couple allowed to legally marry.
Now while France has allowed civil partnerships for some time, President Francois Hollande only signed the law 10 days ago, allowing same-sex marriage, also adoption.
No word on where the couple's going for their honeymoon. They want to have a child, however, and also among the guests, 200 police, in case of opposition protest.
MALVEAUX: And there has been a lot of protests lately.
Floods, tornadoes, not uncommon in the United States, of course, but right here severe weather threatening more than half the country. That is right. We've got details up next.
HOLMES: Beyonce, beefing up security on her world tour. Why? Well, she's reportedly receiving some threatening letters, but also this, as video surfaces of a slap-happy fan getting a little too close for comfort.
We'll explain that when we come back.
MALVEAUX: All right. Michael, get this. Millions of Americans now on edge, here's why. Severe weather expected to hit more than half of the country. That's happening today.
In the hours ahead, the Midwest could get the worst of it. These storms could include strong tornadoes, as if they need that, several tornadoes actually ripping through Kansas last night. Look at those pictures.
In the town of Corning, six farms hit. Thankfully no one reported hurt.
MALVEAUX: Take a look at this as well, a storm chaser catches a tornado forming, this is in Tescott, Kansas. And this is what eventually it turned into. That is right. This is a sight that brings us back to a lot of the memories that -- painful memories for people in Moore, Oklahoma.
It is possible they could see tornadoes there today. They are actually in the danger zone.
Samantha Mohr, tracking storms for the CNN Weather Center. Samantha, tell us how likely is it that really Oklahoma City area could get hit again? SAMANTHA MOHR, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yeah, they're in the probable zone, so that means they could see possible severe super cell storms that could cause tornadoes once again. And you can see things pretty quiet right now. We have a cap that needs to be opened up, if you will, to see severe weather.
It's kind of like a lid on a boiling pot of water. Once it opens up, then we see everything lift up and we can see an explosion of activity here.
Notice this is the Dodge City radar. This is where our own Chad Myers will be this afternoon. Right now, he's in Greensburg to the southeast of there around 45 miles, right about here. So not much action yet, but he does expect to see those storms popping throughout the afternoon and evening because we have a lot of moist air moving in off the Gulf of Mexico.
We have a frontal system moving in. That will provide lift. We have a jet stream aloft. That will also provide lift.
Most notably here, we have some dry air. Notice, this is a dry line. Looks kind of like a warm front, but it's orange instead of red. But it's actually a dry line, and that means the air behind it is much drier than the air in front of it.
And believe it or not, it doesn't seem very likely, but dry air is actually heavier than moist air. It seems like it would be the opposite, but that's not true. It's actually heavier.
And as it moves in, it will provide that lift here. Look how moist the air is ahead of it.
When you have dew points in the 60s, it is just humid. It just feels sticky out there. And there's a lot of moisture for those storms to work with.
So this is where we expect to see the area -- the probable area for thunderstorms that could cause tornadoes today here and around Oklahoma, in through Kansas and even in northern Texas, Oklahoma City, Moore, Oklahoma, one of those areas that could see some large damaging hail as well as some damaging winds and that threat of tornadoes, especially during the afternoon and evening hours.
And, Suzanne and Michael, of course, that's when the benefit concert's going to be going on there in downtown Oklahoma City.
HOLMES: Oh, goodness me. Yeah, that's bad timing. Samantha, thanks so much. Samantha Mohr there.
And going to be following a storm chaser at the top of the hour. You'll have that.
MALVEAUX: And he is accused of killing a British soldier with a meat cleaver. Well, a woman confronted him right after that attack.
HOLMES: Yeah, coming up, she's going to explain to us what it was like. She goes back to the crime scene with our Atika Shubert.
MALVEAUX: One of the men witnesses say killed a British soldier on a London street no longer in the hospital. This man and another suspect were shot by police responding to the attack that happened last week.
Well, now, he's in regular police custody and being questioned.
HOLMES: Yeah, the place where Lee Rigby was so horrifically and so publicly killed is now a memorial filled with thousands bouquets of flowers.
Atika Shubert met a woman there who saw the whole thing happen and moved in to help.
INGRID LOYAU-KENNETT, WITNESS: Right. The bus was parked about where the English flag and the red shirts are, and through the window I could see the crashed car. I think it crashed in that pole, the right one. And the body had been dragged about, yeah, about here.
So I left my bus because it was going nowhere, and went down and approached the body.
And I went like this, took his hand, tried to find a pulse.
ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right.
LOYAU-KENNETT: And there was no pulse.
SHUBERT: No pulse.
LOYAU KENNETT: It doesn't mean he was dead. But the lady, the (INAUDIBLE) lady said, "he's dead." And I said, "are you sure?" She said, "yes." But maybe there was just no blood here. I wanted to check here. So I wanted to go there, but then he came like this in front of me. Like this.
SHUBERT: The attacker?
LOYAU KENNETT: Yes. Yes.
LOYAU KENNETT: And he said, "don't touch the body." And I just did that. And all I could see here, like his bloodied hands, one carrying a revolver and the other one carrying the knife and meat cleaver.
SHUBERT: I mean what did you think at that point?
LOYAU KENNETT: All bloodied.
SHUBERT: You saw a man with bloodied hands carrying weapons. LOYAU KENNETT: I didn't think. I just thought, OK, this is a situation. Obviously not a road accident. And -- traffic road accident, yes. So I stood up like that and I said, "why? Why can't I touch the body?" And he said, "he's a British soldier and I just killed him."
SHUBERT: What happened when police came? Were you still here at that time?
LOYAU KENNETT: I was here. A police car coming very quickly. And then the two guys run down this way. And the police shoot them I think in the leg the way they were grabbing their legs. I thought it was in the leg, yes. And I was happy that it was so quickly finished.
SHUBERT: And this is the first time that you've been back to the scene since that day?
LOYAU KENNETT: Yes.
SHUBERT: How do you feel coming back here?
LOYAU KENNETT: I still have (INAUDIBLE), yes. I hardly (INAUDIBLE). and, yes, I hardly recognized it.
MALVEAUX: So impressive. You hope that you'd be one of those people who would jump in, but you never know, I mean, when something like that happens right in front of your eyes.
HOLMES: And all those other people who stood way back and those -- only those three women were there with the nerve to go up and try to engage. It was - yes, terrifying stuff. Atika Shubert had that story for us.
MALVEAUX: Coming up AROUND THE WORLD as well, a baby stuck in a toilet drainpipe moments after being born. Now the mother has come forward. We're going to have an update on the child and that investigation, up next.
MALVEAUX: It's an incredible story of survival. A newborn baby -- imagine this - discovered crying, trapped in a sewer pipe. This happened in China.
HOLMES: Yes, we were talking about this yesterday. We've got some more information now. The mother of that newborn came forward, told police she deeply regrets what she did. The baby, stable condition. Good news there. Getting a lot of love from the public.
MALVEAUX: David McKenzie's got the very latest. I want to warn you, you might find some of these images somewhat graphic.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was the amazing video seen around the world, the race against time to save this baby from a sewage pipe in China. Today, we have new pictures of the baby resting comfortably, drinking formula and recovering in ICU. Doctors say he should be OK. Incredible, when you consider what he went through.
Alarmed neighbors called first responders when they heard crying and saw a tiny foot. Tearing away at the pipe, they can't reach the baby wedged inside. Pipe and child rushed to a nearby hospital. Surgeons and firefighters gingerly using pliers to rescue the infant, revealing a newborn boy. Afterbirth still attached. On local TV, police saying it could have been an awful mistake.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The woman started to feel a stomach ache and then she rushed to the toilet. After she stayed in the toilet for a while, she gave birth to a baby. She tried to grab something to help herself because there was too much blood. She couldn't hold the baby anymore and he slid into the sewage through the hole of the toilet.
MCKENZIE: Investigations are still ongoing and the boy is recovering in ICU. Police posted these pictures of him online. They say rescuers brought blankets and formula, deeply touched by his ordeal. Without a name, just patient 59, an innocent boy miraculously surviving a terrible ordeal against incredible odds.
David McKenzie, CNN, Beijing.
MALVEAUX: Oh, good for him.
HOLMES: Yes, a good outcome there.
All right, coming up on AROUND THE WORLD, the football great, Dan Marino, he has reinvented himself and he wants you to do the same. You're going to chat with him, aren't you?
MALVEAUX: Yes, he's going to be live with us in about a half hour from now. You're watching CNN, of course.
And Beyonce's backside getting some unwelcomed attention as a fan almost booted out of the concert. We're going to explain what happened, up next.
HOLMES: All right, Beyonce not afraid to get up close and personal with her fans when she performs on stage, but one fan in Europe got a little too close and a little too personal for her taste.
MALVEAUX: Slapped her backside. Beyonce fired back herself with a stern warning. Jeanne Moos, she's got the story.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Beyonce may be celebrated for her booty, but she almost had to boot out a fan for celebrating it a little too much. It happened at a concert in Copenhagen. Beyonce was interacting with fans. She shared her mic with a guy. And as she started to walk away, he gave her dairy air a little slap.
BEYONCE: I will have you escorted out of here now, all right?
MOOS: Beyonce sashayed away. We're not sure whether the butt slapper went or stayed. Fans captured the swat from all angles and debated it online.
"If you don't want it slapped, girlfriend, stop flaunting it in their faces," versus, "just because she performs for a living doesn't give you the right to violate her space."
MOOS (on camera): Reporters wanting to ask Beyonce about the butt grab might as well butt out. No comment was all her record label would say.
MOOS (voice-over): Now, Beyonce is no stranger to administering a little booty love to her dancer and getting it from her husband Jay-Z. Beyonce seemed to reward Jay-z for his playful pat. Not so playful is how some overexcited fans acted in Belgrade, Serbia, pulling Beyonce's hair and touching her face.
Earlier this month, a fan rushed the stage when Justin Bieber was seated at the piano. Security instantly jumped in, knocking down the piano in the scuffle, while Justin calmly walked away performing. And who could forget Will Smith when a Ukrainian prankster interviewer tried to kiss him.
WILL SMITH, ACTOR: Come on, man. Man, what the hell is your problem? Come on, man, what the hell is your problem, buddy?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry, Will.
SMITH: It's just awkward, Dave.
MOOS: Oddest of all was when Britney Spears invited a guy from the audience on stage so she could perform a pole dance on him. He bit her. Bit-knee Spears they called her. And now the personification of bootyliciousness -
BEYONCE (singing): My body's too bootylicious for ya babe.
MOOS: Had to just turn the other cheek.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
MALVEAUX: All right, can I just tell you, that guy's got nerve.
HOLMES: He does have nerve.
MALVEAUX: All right, not only is Beyonce going to go after him, but Jay-z is going to go after him. I mean, come on, really?
HOLMES: You were saying that's the top trending thing?
MALVEAUX: It is. Yes.
HOLMES: That's a little sad.
MALVEAUX: You know, everybody's interested in Beyonce.
HOLMES: Come on, people, trend something else.
MALVEAUX: Well, you know, I mean, security, she's going to London. She's going to be performing Saturday, right?
HOLMES: Oh, yes. Performing this Saturday.
MALVEAUX: And she's got kind of a stalker person that she's looking out for.
HOLMES: Sending letters to her.
HOLMES: So, yes, she's a little bit concerned about that. Yes.
But, anyway, trend something else, please people.
MALVEAUX: Trend you - I know you've got that problem, right, people attacking you all the time.
HOLMES: I do. I've got -- yes, right. I wish.
Thanks for watching AROUND THE WORLD. That's it for me. I've got to go. She's making me laugh. All right.
MALVEAUX: All right. CNN NEWSROOM starts right now.