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NSA Leaker; Why NSA Leaker In Hong Kong; Mandela Back in Hospital; Prince Harry's Air Show; Education in Ethiopia
Aired June 10, 2013 - 12:00 ET
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: NSA leaker revealed. The 29-year-old Edward Snowden, hiding out in a hotel in Hong Kong. Why did he escape to Hong Kong?
Nelson Mandela is hospitalized in intensive care. He's suffering from a lung infection. Close friends say it's time to let him go.
Prince Harry shows off what he can do with an Apache helicopter and empty air space. Much of it to the delight of fans at an English air show.
Welcome to AROUND THE WORLD. I'm Suzanne Malveaux. Michael Holmes is off today.
We follow this. He was a high-school drop out, making a six-figure salary, living in Hawaii. Why did he give it all up to reveal details about a top-secret U.S. surveillance program? Edward Snowden says that the public needed to know that the government is monitoring, e- mail and tracking phone calls. Snowden has come forward as the person who leaked information about the classified programs.
He says that the public needed to know what the government is monitoring, e-mail and tracking phone calls. Snowden has come forward as the person who leaked information about the classified programs. Barbara Starr has our details.
EDWARD SNOWDEN, NSA LEAKER: When you're in positions of privileged access.
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is 29- year-old Edward Snowden, the high school dropout who worked his way into the most secretive computers as the U.S. intelligence community as a defense contractor and then blew open those secrets by leaking unprecedented details of top secret government surveillance programs. He now risks never living in America again as a free man.
SNOWDEN: I had access to, you know, the full rosters of everyone working in the NSA, the entire intelligence community, and undercover assets all around the world, the locations of ever station we have.
STARR: Snowden didn't leak that, but in an interview with the British newspaper "The Guardian," Snowden revealed himself as the source of several documents leaked to journalist Glenn Greenwald outlining a massive effort by the National Security Agency to track cell phone calls and monitor e-mail and Internet traffic of virtually everyone.
SNOWDEN: I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the president if I had a personal e-mail.
STARR: Snowden says he just wanted Americans to know what the government was doing.
SNOWDEN: Even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded.
STARR: And he wanted to be up front that he was behind the leaks.
SNOWDEN: I'm just another guy who sits there day-to-day in the office, watches what happening -- what's happening and goes, this is something that's not our place to decide. The public needs to decide whether these programs and policies are right or wrong.
STARR: "The Guardian" says during the interview, Snowden watched CNN's Wolf Blitzer ask a panel who the leaker was.
WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Do you have any idea who's leaking this information?
STARR: Snowden watching, did not react.
Snowden fled to Hong Kong three weeks ago after copying a last set of documents and telling his boss he needed to go away for medical treatment. Before all this, Snowden says he had a comfortable life working for the NSA in Hawaii with a $200,000 salary and a girlfriend. He told "The Guardian" he never got a high school diploma, attended community college but didn't complete his computer studies. He joined the army in 2003 but was discharged after breaking both legs in an accident. He says he worked as a security guard for the NSA and then moved to the CIA in a computer security job. In 2009, he left the CIA, eventually joining the contractor Booz Allen in Hawaii. He began to see top secret documents on the extent of the NSA surveillance, including details that the government also had data on Americans.
President Obama insists his administration is not spying on U.S. citizens, only looking for information on terrorists. For now Snowden believes Hong Kong's climate of free speech will protect him, but there's no guarantee he won't be arrested, taken to mainland China or sent back to the U.S. It appears to be a risk he's willing to take.
SNOWDEN: You're living in Hawaii, in paradise, and making a ton of money. What would it take to make you leave everything behind? The greatest fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosure is that nothing will change.
STARR: Barbara Starr, CNN, Washington.
MALVEAUX: We're all over this story. One lawmaker already calling for Edward Snowden to be prosecuted for leaking the information. The chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, Republican Congressman Peter King, says he considers Snowden to be a defector. There's another lawmaker who took aim at Snowden and the reporter as well behind that story.
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REP. MIKE ROGERS (R), INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: I know your reporter that you interviewed, Greenwald, says that he's got it all and now is an expert on the program. He doesn't have a clue how this thing works. Neither did the person who released just enough information to literally be dangerous. I argue that there's other methods. He could come to the committee if they had concern.
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MALVEAUX: "The Guardian" reporter and columnist Glenn Greenwald, he accuses the government of hiding behind scare tactics and secrecy. Listen.
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GLENN GREENWALD, COLUMNIST, "THE GUARDIAN": What the strategy of the U.S. government is, is to come out and try and scare the American public into saying, these people have jeopardized you. There's going to be a terrorist attack. There is not a single revelation that we provided to the world that even remotely jeopardizes national security. The only thing that has been jeopardized is the reputation and credibility of the people in power who are engaged in this massive spying program and wanted to do it in the dark. And we, as journalists, I think our number one obligation should be not to allow government officials to screen terrorists and try and scare people every time there's transparency brought to them, but instead scrutinize whether those claims are valid.
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MALVEAUX: So one minute, this guy, he's living it up in paradise. The next, he is out hiding in Hong Kong. Life, of course, take a dramatic turn for Edward Snowden.
So here's what we know about him. Before leaking information, he was living in Hawaii earning a $200,000 a year salary. He had access to the most secretive intelligence computers in the United States. He also had a girlfriend.
Well, since the leak, he has been holed up in a Hong Kong hotel and is said to be close to maxing out his credit cards. And he's worried about his girlfriend, as well as his family. Anna Coren reports from Hong Kong.
ANNA COREN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The source of one of America's biggest intelligence leaks is here in Hong Kong, holed up in a hotel room. For 29-year-old Edward Snowden has been in Hong Kong for the past three weeks. Well, he says that as an analyst for the NSA, the National Security Agency, he witnessed abuses, reported about it, but they were never addressed. And that is why he has gone public. Well, he says the NSA has an infrastructure that can intercept almost anything and that it has lied about its scope of surveillance of American citizens.
Now, why did Snowden choose Hong Kong, fourteen hours away from Hawaii, which is where he had come from, halfway around the world to leak these highly sensitive information. Well, according to Snowden, it's because Hong Kong has a commitment to free speech and political dissent. But analysts here say that China is the key factor. That he is in position of a treasure-trove of information that China would also like to have.
Well, let's now have a listen to Ewen MacAskill, a journalist from "The Guardian," who spoke to Snowden.
EWEN MACASKILL, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, "THE GUARDIAN": His main focus was to get this out. He has no real plan b. He knows that he can't go back. And the terrible thing is, he's wondering about his family, whether they'll be victimized. And he's basically cut off from his family. If he keeps in touch with them, then he's scared that they will be penalized for that. He's in a strange, no-man's-land of Hong Kong. You know, it's partly Chinese sovereignty, but yet enjoys a lot of freedom of some legal status. So, who knows what will happen if the U.S. asks for extradition.
COREN: Now, an extradition treaty is in place between Hong Kong and the United States, but China can step in and veto this, potentially offering Snowden asylum in exchange for information.
Anna Coren, CNN, Hong Kong.
MALVEAUX: To Afghanistan. The Taliban says it launched an attack this morning to target Americans. This is right next to the Kabul Airport. This is actually the scene as Taliban militants and Afghan security forces fought for hours. Afghan officials say seven attackers stormed a building that was near the airport that was under construction. Two blew themselves up, the rest were killed in that gun battle that followed.
We're getting a disturbing report now from Afghanistan's southern Kandahar province. Local officials are saying that the Taliban beheaded two children. That's right, 10 years and 16 years old. The governor's office says the 10-year-old boy was found taking food from a trash bin. There were no immediate details about the 16 year old. The Taliban have not commented.
And the death toll from a Santa Monica shooting has now risen to five. Twenty-six-year-old Marcela Franco died from her wounds yesterday. She was shot in an SUV driven by her father, Carlos, who also died in Friday's attack. The suspect gunmen identified as 23-year-old John Zawahri, was killed by police. Now he allegedly murdered his father and brother, then set their house on fire before going on this shooting spree. Law enforcement says that he had some mental health issues in the past. And South Africa's president, current president, is asking for the country to pray for Nelson Mandela. The 94-year-old icon was rushed again to the hospital. This was over the weekend. This is from a persistent lung infection that has now flared up. He is now in intensive care. His condition being called "serious but stable."
I want to bring in our Errol Barnett. He is outside the hospital in Pretoria, South Africa.
And it seems as if this has happened quite some time for the last months or so, several months. Are we getting any different signs, different signals this go-round about his condition?
ERROL BARNETT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We are, Suzanne. What's troubling, though, about the recent announcement update from the South African government, which controls all information relating to the former president's health, what's disturbing is that their update today is that Nelson Mandela's health remains unchanged. That is worrying because Nelson Mandela enjoys - or I should say has a full staff of medics at his bedside at his home. So any time he comes to a hospital, it means that medical team cannot improve his condition.
He was rushed to this hospital behind me, this medi (ph) clinic hospital - hospital in Pretoria on Saturday. So that also means that doctors here have been unable to improve his condition over the past three days. This persistent lung infection that you mentioned has really dogged Nelson Mandela the past seven months bringing him to hospital some four times.
And, you know, he is 94 years old. He turns 95 next month. Any small ailment can be quite fatal for a man of his age. And I should say, Suzanne, that as we've been posted outside of the hospital here, we've seen his close family, his close relatives coming to visit him. Two of his daughters. His current wife, Graca Machel, has been by his side. And just within this past hour we saw Winnie Mandela, his ex-wife, the woman that was with him while he was in prison and there by his side when he was released in the early '90s, she has just left the hospital as well. So we know that close relatives have been here to see the former president, or madiba, as he's affectionately called. But at this moment his health has not improved and South Africans are certainly very worried.
MALVEAUX: And, Errol, what makes this different too, I understand, is that people are openly talking about the possibility that he could get worse and that is very much different than in the customs and protocol there, yes?
BARNETT: Absolutely. It's a good point you raised, Suzanne. You've been to South Africa before. You very well may know that in -- it's typical in the culture here, and in many African nations, you do not speak about the forthcoming death of an elder, especially a respected elder, let alone a man of Nelson Mandela's stature. So any time he's been ill before, people just want to send well wishes and pray for his recovery.
But a close friend of his, Andrew Mlangeni, who served time along Nelson Mandela on Robin Island, a man himself who is in his late 80s, said this past weekend publicly in a newspaper that it's distressing to see madiba in and out of hospital these past few months. That, in fact, the Mandela family needs to, in his words, quote, "let him go" so that he can rest in peace, essentially, and then the rest of the country would let him go. Highly controversial and a taboo topic here, but it does speak to the changing sentiment, the realization that Nelson Mandela is a mere human and cannot live forever.
MALVEAUX: All right, Errol Barnett. Our prayers, of course, to Nelson Mandela and his family during this critical time.
Here's more of what we're working for AROUND THE WORLD.
South America, or even a tropical island, well, that is where most Americans head when they are on the run. So why did Edward Snowden choose Hong Kong? We're going to talk more about that with an expert.
And African war lord Joseph Kony in the news again. His militia now accused of killing elephants, selling the ivory tusks and using the money to buy arms. CNN's special correspondent Philippe Cousteau joins us to talk about it live, up next.
And Prince Harry showing off the helicopter skills he picked up in Afghanistan. We're going to show you the video of the prince performing some pretty amazing midair tricks, up next.
MALVEAUX: Here are the stories making news AROUND THE WORLD right now.
In parts of Europe, they are dealing with flash floods. In Hungary, people are being told to brace for what could the country's worst flood ever. The Danube River is surging, and record levels are expected over the next three days. In Eastern Germany, thousands of people are being evacuated. Damage is estimated to be more than $150 million. Parts of Austria and Slovakia have also been hit.
And in Turkey, the battle between protesters and the government is now in its 11th day, no signs of either sides letting up. Sunday, riot police fired tear gas in the capital city of Ankara.
Demonstrators say the prime minister is a dictator and they want him to resign. The prime minister warned demonstrators that his patience is now coming to an end. More than 4,300 people have been wounded in those protests.
And now to the Philippines where this is an amazing story, this hero dog getting a heroes welcome back home.
K-Pug lost her snout and her jaw when she jumped in front of an oncoming motorcycle to save her owner's daughter and niece. After months of surgery and treatment in the United States, she arrived back home yesterday. Look how cute she is. People from around the world donated money for her treatment. Nice. Britain's Prince Harry was showing off some of his piloting skill. This was at a British air show over the weekend. Take a look at this. You might remember that Harry is an Apache helicopter pilot in the British air force. He's done a couple of tours of duty in Afghanistan.
Our source of all things British, Richard Quest, joining us from London. Hey, Richard, what do you think about that? Yes? You love ...
RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Fascinating story, this was, of course, at the RAF air show in England, and Prince Harry, who is better known as "Captain Wales" when he's in his military duties, was part of the team that was flying this Apache helicopter, part of the army air corps.
Now whether it was Harry actually at the controls, or as co-pilot gunner, he was working the guns, we're not quite sure, but what it did do, of course, this Apache, was maneuvers.
Now this is not the exciting acrobatics that you see with the Red Arrows or the aerial displays. What they do with helicopters is they do maneuvers. They drive the thing forward and they drive the thing backwards.
And, of course, for Harry, who had been in an Apache helicopter pilot in Afghanistan, this was the first chance people back home to see his helicopter skills.
MALVEAUX: OK, but Richard, I've got to ask this. Is there sort of like rule or law among the royal family that he can't do this? It seem pretty risky, and it seems an unnecessary risk.
QUEST: Good grief, get a grip. The man had been on active service in Afghanistan, twice. By his own admission, he had shot and killed baddies. He said, a loss of life, sometimes you have to take a life to protect a life.
MALVEAUX: Yeah, but this doesn't seem necessary. I understand active duty and war, but this seems kind of unnecessary, don't you think, a little show boating going on?
QUEST: Well, I don't think they were throwing the thing around the sky in some wickedly dangerous fashion. They were doing maneuvers. And I'm sure when they're in Afghanistan they're doing something far more risky and dangerous than puttering around an English air show.
The fact is, though ...
MALVEAUX: What did the Prince think? What did they think when they saw all this?
QUEST: Well, I think this is an interesting case where we see Prince Harry, who loves the fact that he's Captain Wales, he loves the fact that when he's on maneuvers like this, he's just one of the guys. He's just one of the members. He's not a member -- it's the only time he gets to be just an ordinary person, if ever that is. So he loves this part of his life.
And I think from the British point of view, it really does show he's not a playboy. He's got a real job. He's serving his country. He's serving his grandmother, queen and country, and for those reasons, it increases the respect.
This man is not a lay-about, living off the public purse.
MALVEAUX: Yeah, he certainly is not. I saw that maneuver in that Apache. Would you ever do that? Would you ever at least sit in the chair (inaudible)?
QUEST: I hate helicopters, and in fact, I had an argument with Prince Harry's uncle, Prince Andrew, Duke of York. He tried to convince me once that helicopters were safer than fixed wing because there are fewer engines.
Now Prince Andrew flew in the Falklands and I wasn't about to argue with his royal highness, but the fact is they all love helicopters. Charles flies them. Andrew flies them. Harry flies them. Will flies them. They've got a thing about helicopters.
MALVEAUX: All right, you're getting up in one in.
MALVEAUX: Richard, good to see you. Me either.
All right, coming up, an Ethiopian woman helps educate young girls so they don't suffer the same fate that she did. Stay with us for her interesting story.
MALVEAUX: All this week we're looking at education AROUND THE WORLD. Today we're focusing on Ethiopia. That is where girls really only receive a few years of school before they are married, usually by the time they are 15-years-old.
But one Ethiopian woman, she is hoping to change all of that. Here is this week's "Girl Rising."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is Melka. She lives in northern Ethiopia, and her story is far too common. At the age of 14, she was forced into an arranged marriage.
MAAZA MENGISTE, WRITER: In Ethiopia, one in five girls gets married before the age of 15. The reason is really financial hardships. The family feels like they need to send the girl off to another man's home so that he can take care of her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But when girls like Melka refuse to marry, they suffer. MELKA (via translator): Without my consent, my parents forced me to get married. I said I do not want to go. And when I refused to go. my parents beat me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On her wedding night, Melka ended up in the hospital. Authorities got involved and she was went back to her family.
Her mother says she regrets forcing Melka to marry, believing they both would have been better off if Melka had continued her education.
Now Melka is working to prevent this from happening to other girls. She spends her free time at the local primary school, teaching them about the early dangers of early marriage and how they can make a better life for themselves by staying in school.
Women like Melka want girls in Ethiopia to know they have a choice and they are not alone.
MALVEAUX: Melka was able to go back to school and complete her high school education. Good for her.
To learn more about how to help prevent early marriages and support girls' education, go to CNN.com/GirlRising. Now this is an amazing film. The documentary film airs this Sunday at 9:00 p.m. Eastern here on CNN.
And we're following this, the man who leaked classified information on U.S. surveillance. He's hanging out at a Hong Kong hotel, ordering room service. Where does he go from there? We're going to ask an expert, up next.