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AROUND THE WORLD

Another French Open in the Books; Learning More About Edward Snowden; Government Spying Around the World; Kony on the Run; World Oceans Month; Music in Italian Vineyards

Aired June 10, 2013 - 12:30   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to AROUND THE WORLD. Here's what's happening now.

Jury selection now under way in the George Zimmerman murder trial near Orlando. Attorneys at a Sanford, Florida, court are now choosing six jurors and four alternates to serve on this high-profile trial.

Well, as you know, Zimmerman is accused of killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year when Trayvon Martin was walking to his father's home in a gated community. This case, as you know, sparking protests, igniting a national debate about race as well as gun laws.

Zimmerman says he shot the unarmed teenager in self-defense.

In Paris, another French Open is in the history books. That's right, a big weekend for Americans. Serena Williams, she defeated Maria Sharapova in straight sets to win her 16th major title. It's her second French Open win. She now focuses on Wimbledon.

Look at those pictures, amazing, very dramatic. In the men's final, a bit of scare, this is for Rafael Nadal. A masked protester -- look at that -- ran onto the court brandishing this flare, briefly disrupting the match. After that protester was removed, Nadal went on to win his eighth French Open title. It is Nadal's eighth Grand Slam title.

And here is something you don't see every day. Visitors to Massachusetts General Hospital Boston got rare look at a 2,500-year- old mummy. Look at that.

Meet "Paddy." Over the weekend, he was taken out of his coffin, underwent a procedure to repair and restore his face. That's right. This was a gift from the city of Boston back in 1823. He's one of the first complete mummies brought to the United States from Egypt. Can't keep your eyes off of him. Interesting.

And we're also learning more details about Edward Snowden. He is the man who leaked all the classified information about government surveillance programs.

This is what we are learning. He grew up in Elizabeth City, North Carolina, dropped out of high school, but eventually got his GED. Joined the Army in 2003, began special forces training. He was discharged after he broke both legs in a training accident.

Snowden's first job at the NSA facility was as a security guard. It was a covert site that was located at the University of Maryland.

Well, he tells "The Guardian" that he first got disillusioned about the U.S. government and thought about exposing the secrets in a 2007 CIA stint that he did in Geneva.

So what is next for this guy? Will the U.S. government try to extradite him from Hong Kong, or will some country somewhere offer him asylum?

My next guest knows a little bit about that. Dick Atkins, he is an attorney and international legal consultant for the show, "Locked Up Abroad."

Good to see you, Dick, as always. Tell us, first, about what you think about his fate. Because one of "The Guardian" reporters who actually interviewed Snowden says that he hopes that he could get asylum and that Iceland would be his first choice. Is that wise? Is that possible?

DICK ATKINS, LEGAL CONSULTANT, "LOCKED UP ABROAD": It is theoretically possible. There's an extradition treaty between Iceland and the United States, but it was brought into force in the year 1901. So it's unlikely that it mentions anything having to do with classified documents. So we don't know what they would do.

But Iceland and other Nordic countries are quite liberal when it comes to asylum, and so, even if there's a valid extradition treaty. they might decide to keep him, thinking that this is a political crime, and he's being charged for politics, and therefore, there's a political exception to any extradition treaty.

And that's why he might be able to stay there.

MALVEAUX: What about Hong Kong here? Did he make a mistake by going to Hong Kong because the U.S. has an extradition treaty with Hong Kong, right?

ATKINS: They do. The United States and Hong Kong have a very valid, working extradition treaty. And it's relatively independent, except when it comes to foreign affairs.

If it's considered foreign affairs, China might come in and overrule it. They might trump it and say this is a security matter, foreign affairs and it's unchartered waters, so China might be able to drop any attempt at extradition.

MALVEAUX: So there are some countries that don't have extradition treaties with the United States, and you say they include China, Indonesia, Russia, some of the former Russian republics, Iran and North Korea. Not surprising that they are not working close with the United States, but how does that work necessarily, and could this guy simply stay and hide for a while? ATKINS: They probably wouldn't let him in. They might take him and put him in jail and lock him up forever, or they might decide to deport him. The fact that there's no extradition treaty doesn't stop a person from being sent back. Many countries, even if they are enemies of ours, will get rid of the person and they just have a deportation hearing, or no hearing. They might let U.S. marshals come in and take him back to the United States.

So without any treaty at all, they are still in jeopardy anywhere in the world. You don't know what's going to happen.

MALVEAUX: And, finally, Dick, a lot of people, some people, consider this guy a hero. Some people think that what he did was justified. He says he doesn't believe that he did anything wrong. It's quite controversial around this. But if you were in his shoes, where would the safest place be if he didn't want to face law authorities, U.S. authorities?

ATKINS: I think France would be a relatively safe place. Even though there's a valid extradition treaty, they in the past have been pretty reasonable in keeping people there and not giving in to the threats or the requests from the United States. So that's where I would go.

MALVEAUX: All right. Dick Atkins, thank you so much. We appreciate it, as always. Good to see you.

Some Americans were outraged when they heard about the government surveillance programs, right? But for people living in other countries, government snooping, it is part of daily life.

Coming up, we're going to take you to five different countries for a look at the blurry line between public and private.

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MALVEAUX: The NSA surveillance programs has many folks talking, but government spying nothing new. It happens in many other countries. So we asked our international correspondents how people AROUND THE WORLD are reacting to this. Watch.

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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: People here in China feel that they're at the pretty extreme end of data mining. There's no Twitter. There's no Facebook. People, tongue in cheek, call it the "Great Firewall of China." But some of the comments that have been posted on social media here about the data mining in the United States, some people were saying the same thing is happening in China.

Another saying there's no privacy on the Internet and another one saying, really, you can't trust what Google and what Apple are saying, that they don't provide information to governments.

People here really seem not to be so surprised. ELISE LABOTT, CNN FOREIGN AFFAIRS REPORTER: I'm Elise Labott in Jerusalem. Israelis and Palestinians weren't all that shocked about the U.S. data gathering program because there's no expectation of privacy here.

In addition to tight security, Israel has broad surveillance laws allowing monitoring of phone, Internet and even your GPS location. Now it's mostly done in the name of security, but authorities have monitored the activities of activists and protesters and even the tax and parks authorities can request data for routine investigations.

Now Palestinians are concerned about how their data is used. Israelis don't seem to care. They seem to be willing to trade privacy for security, but privacy securities say, if they knew just how extensively their data was used, they'd be outraged.

PHIL BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Phil Black in Moscow, where Russia's federal security service, the successor to the notorious Soviet-era KGB, is thought by experts to be powerful, shadowy and largely unaccountable.

It is reported to use widespread electronic techniques, including phone, e-mail surveillance, even jumping on Skype conversations, all in its effort to fulfill its very wide brief, which includes law enforcement, counterterrorism and espionage, and say some Russians, dealing with domestic political entities as well.

Many journalists, activists and human rights workers say they have been surveilled and harassed by people from Russia's security services.

We got a sense of their capabilities in the aftermath of the Boston bombing when U.S. officials admitted Russia had intercepted communications from one of the suspects long before the attack on the marathon was executed.

The FSB rarely if ever comments on specific cases or complaints. It operates without parliamentary oversight. And few Russians are prepared to openly challenge its authority.

MOHAMMED JAMJOOM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Mohammed Jamjoom in Beirut, a city whose residents are quite accustomed to the idea that they are probably being watched and listened to. Whether it's rival political factions snooping on one another, or neighboring countries like Israel spying from the skies above, Lebanon seems to be full of intrigue. The Syria civil war has only increased tensions and suspicions here.

Now while there are governmental guidelines in place to try to regulate surveillance programs, most people here in Lebanon don't really believe those guidelines are being followed.

DAN RIVERS, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Don Rivers in London. There has been a lot of press coverage of the extent of the British equivalent of the NSA, GCHQ, being involved with this PRISM system, a lot of press coverage here. The government has gone out to speak today in the House of Commons, defending the regulatory framework which oversees the intelligence agencies here, insisting that there's no deep state that is out of control, the foreign secretary, William Hague, describing press reporting around this story as partial and misleading, giving the public concern where there need not be none.

He set out the system that is in place, which requires ministers to sign off permission for each individual intercept of a telephone call and e-mail, and insists that there is nothing to worry about with the close relationship that does exist between the NSA and Britain's GCHQ.

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MALVEAUX: And that's a look AROUND THE WORLD, views of the exposed surveillance program here in the United States. We're going to have more on the NSA at the top of the hour as well.

Still up ahead, CNN contributor Philippe Cousteau joins me to talk about Joseph Kony's latest operation. The African warlord is now said to be using elephant poaching to fund his militias. Stay with us.

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MALVEAUX: Many Americans learned about Joseph Kony last year. A group called Invisible Children launched a viral campaign to bring the African war lord to justice. Well, Kony is wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes. He is accused of recruiting underage boys as fighters and girls as sex slaves in Uganda. And Kony, of course, still on the run. Now, a new report says he and his struggling militia are poaching elephant ivory across Africa to make money. The president of Earth Echo International and CNN's special correspondent Philippe Cousteau joins us to talk about this.

Always great to see you.

PHILIPPE COUSTEAU: Always a pleasure.

MALVEAUX: I know you're -- I know you're around the world. You're traveling all the time, but it's good to have you in here in Atlanta.

COUSTEAU: I love being in studio. It's always fun.

MALVEAUX: Tell us, first of all, like, how do they know that he's behind it, Kony and his group? I mean this is a group that they have not even been able to capture. It's been a cause (INAUDIBLE) for many, many years. Do they know the connection here?

COUSTEAU: Well, for many years whale poaching - or, excuse me, elephant poaching has been on a dramatic rise. And we've been trying to figure out -- various agencies around the world - to figure out what's driving it. And so over the last few months it's become apparent through various different outlets that Joseph Kony and his band of terrorists, one might argue, are behind some of the elephant poaching that's happened.

MALVEAUX: What can they do? Can they go after these guys? I mean what can they possibly do to protect the elephants?

COUSTEAU: Well, this is a - this story is a wonderful reminder of how the intersection between people and the environment is - this affects our security, it affects our economy. The issue really at stake here is that many of the African countries are unable and do not have the resources to be able to pursue Joseph Kony effectively. And that's why President Obama, just a few months ago, about a year ago actually, launch some special forces agents to go in and try and help them.

And if you remember, the Democratic Republic of Congo is the size of western Europe. It's a huge, vast area and these people don't respect borders.

MALVEAUX: And what -

COUSTEAU: So, investing resources.

MALVEAUX: Sure.

COUSTEAU: The State Department's getting involved. We need the best resources to help these African countries have better effective enforcement and interdiction and research and surveillance.

MALVEAUX: What are they using? Why are they killing these elephants? What are they using it for?

COUSTEAU: Well, this is really interesting because originally back in the, you know, '70s and '80s, a lot of poaching was one offs, individuals with rifles that were hunting to try and feed their family. This is somewhat of the perception. But over the last few years what we've seen is that these folks are outfitted with assault rifles and helicopters and they've brought this poaching crisis to a totally different level to where it's estimated, if we don't do something, we could have no wild roaming African elephants in the next 10 years. And they use that money to - they sell the ivory. They use that money to support all their illicit activities in drugs and human slavery, et cetera.

MALVEAUX: It's a totally different game.

Let's switch here because I know that June, it's worldwide Oceans Month here. What is the state of oceans? Have we exhausted our resources there? Are we doing well?

COUSTEAU: Well, the oceans are still in trouble. Of course, they cover most of this planet and are critical for our survival. President Obama has come out in support oceans and (INAUDIBLE) this month. And, of course, this World Oceans Day is in early June. And we have to remember, the oceans provide $21 trillion worth of free services to us as humans. From a primary source of protein for over a billion people, to the primary source, over 60 percent of our oxygen comes from the oceans. And the oceans are in trouble. Fisheries are declining, coastal development and pollution. And so this is a real recognition that we have to combine our efforts as a global community, come together, recognize the oceans of the life support system of this planet and have to take some drastic measures to make sure that we protect them.

MALVEAUX: Sure.

COUSTEAU: Because in so doing, we protect ourselves.

MALVEAUX: You know, that's why I love having you here. You're the only person whose like one of the few whose really like bringing attention to these issues that are so, so important.

Thank you, Philippe.

COUSTEAU: Always a pleasure, Suzanne. Thanks for having me.

MALVEAUX: Appreciate it.

Well, this is a really cool story. It makes grape vines grow faster. Even keeps the bugs away.

Coming up, we're going to introduce you to an Italian wine maker who insists that classical music, that's right, is the secret to his success.

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MALVEAUX: One of my favorite stories. In order to get superb Tuscan wine, one wine maker is taking a rather unique approach. He's encouraging strong grape growth through music. Ben Wedeman takes us to the vineyard.

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BEN WEDEMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Tuscan hills are alive with this sound of music. Mozart piped out over 80 waterproof Bose speakers. Music for Carlo Cignozzi is as important as the winter rains and the spring sun to ensure the grapevines at his vineyard, the Paradiso di Frassina are healthy and productive.

"We have shown that music helps them to grow better," he tells me. "The grapes mature two weeks earlier, the fruit is more regular, and the leaves are thicker and greener."

Twelve years ago he dropped out of the rat race in Milan, where he practiced law, to dedicate himself full time to making wine. Carlo found the vibrations of classical music, in particular Mozart, are something the usual pests would rather not hear through the grapevine.

"Pathogens, parasites and insects are disturbed by this sound," he says. "Wild boars, porcupines and deer don't come here because this sound which we love, because its Mozart, bothers them."

The universities of Pisa and Florence are following Carlo's experiment to see if there is indeed veritas (ph) in this version of vinefication (ph).

Down in the wine cellar, which dates back more than a thousand years, Carlo believes the music continues to have an effect on the brunelo (ph) in these casks (ph).

"Before, this second phase of fermentation occurred randomly. Sometimes in January, sometimes in March," he says. "Now, with the music, it always occurs in January."

The result is a wine over which Carlo predictably waxes poetic. The wine with the music can go quickly to the head.

Ben Wedeman, CNN, Montalcino, Italy.

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MALVEAUX: What a great assignment for Ben. A little jealous there.

Coming up, we've got a reality show contestant who gets revenge, that's right, against what some consider one of the meanest judges on TV. Did Simon Cowell finally get what was coming to him? Stay with us.

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MALVEAUX: Oh, some consider him the meanest man on TV. So, to them, he had it coming. As you can see, a woman throwing eggs at reality show judge Simon Cowell. That's right. This was during the finale of "Britain's Got Talent." And the performers, well they kept going. Meanwhile, Cowell, he just shook it off.

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SIMON COWELL, JUDGE, "BRITAIN'S GOT TALENT": I did actually send a tweet out yesterday saying I don't like eggs. And I really don't like eggs now. I have no idea what that was about. So whoever's watching, I do apologize. And I - and I'm sorry for you guys, actually.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We'll get to the bottom of it. I'm sorry -

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MALVEAUX: Producers say they're not going to take action against the egger who has since apologized.

Well, that's it for AROUND THE WORLD.

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