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NSA Leaker is on the Move; White House Briefing

Aired June 24, 2013 - 12:00   ET



MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Michael Holmes. Thanks for your company.

A big news day, so let's get it started.

MALVEAUX: NSA leaker Edward Snowden, he is now on the move. The Obama administration certainly not happy about that. We're expecting to hear from the White House, the press secretary, any moment. We're going to take you there live.

HOLMES: Indeed we will.

Now, the NSA leaker, Edward Snowden, as we say, he's on the run across the globe trying to avoid prosecution here in the United States.

Well, the Russian foreign ministry said earlier today that he was in Moscow. He was expected to board a flight then to Cuba. It's not clear if he actually did or if he is on that plane, but he began his global odyssey in Hong Kong. That is where he'd been hiding out since leaking those classified information about the U.S. government's surveillance programs.

Now the U.S., of course, wants to extradite him. They want him to face espionage charges. He, however, is trying to get asylum in Ecuador and perhaps other places as well all at the same time. Ecuador's foreign minister saying Snowden's asylum request is being considered on a human rights bases and we just learned from WikiLeaks that Snowden has also applied for asylum in Iceland and other countries they're not naming at the moment.

MALVEAUX: So Ecuador's government is already offering protection now to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Assange has been living in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, as we know, for a year or so avoiding sexual assault allegations he faces in Sweden. Just a couple of hours ago, Assange himself talked about Snowden and the U.S. efforts to go after him.


JULIAN ASSANGE, WIKILEAKS FOUNDER: The charging of Edward Snowden is not matter of justice, it is an attempt to intimidate any country that might be considering standing up for his rights to tell us all the truth. (END VIDEO CLIP)

HOLMES: Well, the plane that Snowden allegedly was going to get on is a (INAUDIBLE) flight to Cuba. So, Cuba, another country that may be just helping out Snowden. He is expected to show up there today on route to Ecuador if he is on that plane. Now, we had our own crew on that plane. They went up and down (ph). They didn't see him on board. So, who knows.

MALVEAUX: Yes, they still don't know. We're not exactly sure. He was actually supposed to travel through, potentially, U.S. air space to get there. And, by the way, Julian Assange says he actually knows where Snowden is but he's not telling. So we're covering all angles. It's an international intrigue cat and mouse game really.

And there is a lot that's going on today. I want to bring in our power players, Fareed Zakaria, host of "Fareed Zakaria GPS," joining us from New York.

HOLMES: And our chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour, is in New York.

MALVEAUX: And chief political analyst Gloria Borger in Washington.

So, Fareed, let's start off with you. First of all, what do we know about his location, whether or not he is, in fact, in this plane en route to Moscow and how is the U.S. tracking him?

FAREED ZAKARIA, HOST, CNN'S "FAREED ZAKARIA GPS": I think we don't know very much about where he is right now. He wasn't on that plane as far -- the best information I've gotten is that he was not on that plane in - from Moscow, which means he's probably still in Moscow.

The way we have traditionally gotten people back in these situations, and you really have to go back to the Cold War, Suzanne, to figure this out, is through some kind of quid pro quo, a deal. And in the old days, when this kind of thing was somewhat routine, we would tell the Russians, OK, we know these are the things you want from us. People, sometimes information, and in return - you know, we'll give you this in return for getting him.

I'm not actually sure how vital Edward Snowden is. Obviously the United States government would like him very much. But this is not some kind of super-secret spy with access to enormous amounts of classify information as far as I can tell. He may have already told or leaked what he knows and so perhaps that is part of what Washington is trying to figure out is how many - how many concessions do they want to make if they are trying to work out some quid pro quo.

HOLMES: Yes, Christiane, let's bring you in here. You know, I was reading one state run newspaper in China said that Snowden, in its words, has uncovered the inside story of the U.S. government's infringement of civil rights, its cyber espionage around the world. Oh, the irony. How much (INAUDIBLE) is there in China, Russia, for that matter Ecuador, Venezuela, countries that like to poke the U.S. in the eye if they can. Aren't they doing precisely that? CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think a huge amount, actually. And you've just hit the nail on the head. You know, countries such as China, which have been accused by the United States of cyber hacking, are now saying, well, look, actually your own guy is saying that you're doing the same thing. So it's interesting that China let him go. They obviously don't want him on their territory. They don't want to create a bigger diplomatic incident with the United States.

According to news reports from Russia, Snowden appears still to be in the transit area of the airport there. Apparently, according to news reports, he was denied a Russian visa. And the Ecuadorian foreign minister, in his press conference today, said that as far as he knew, he was still, Snowden, in Moscow. And, of course, look, Snowden has chosen three, you know, Ecuador, Venezuela, Cuba, that sort of group of countries in Central and Latin America that are the most hostile to the United States.

MALVEAUX: Yes, indeed. I just want to point out too, we've just heard from our people in London that Iceland has not received an official application, but Icelandic law also says that you can't make an application for asylum unless you're in the country. So I just want to make that clear to people that Iceland has not received an application yet.

MALVEAUX: And, Gloria you're covering the White House briefing just momentums away here.


MALVEAUX: What kind of pressure do you think the president, the administration is under to exhibit some sort of leadership here, first by bringing Snowden home and to justice, and, second, by trying to prevent any more potential secrets from coming out?

BORGER: Well, I just got off the phone with a senior administration official and I can tell you that more than anything there's kind of a sense of frustration. They know that the world is kind of watching this where's Waldo story and it's not good for them. They'd like to get him extradited. They'd like to get him back to this country. And it's very clear from their statements -- in particular we were just talking about Russia and what Russia is going to do.

There's a statement from the National Security Council, which essential says that, given our intensified cooperation with Russia after the Boston Marathon bombings, that we really expect them to extradite Snowden to the United States and let him face justice for the crimes for which he is charged. So it's very clear that the U.S. is saying, look, there's - that there's going to be problems in a bilateral way with Hong Kong and with China because of this and they're sort of putting Russia on notice here.

My question is, is at some point - and they're dealing with this real time. So it's very interesting to talk to people inside the administration when they're actually in the middle of this. you know, it's very clear they want to get out of it as quickly as they can and get this person and the American public is ambivalent about it. So my question is, when do we hear from the president?

HOLMES: Yes, Fareed, I suppose there's a danger here that the hunt for the leaker could do more damage in terms of U.S. reputation than the leaks themselves given that everybody spies on everyone. For those countries that are players here, apparent players, what's in it for them to take him or help him?

ZAKARIA: Well, as you said, first of all, the danger maybe, you know, that this thing is getting out of control. It is ironic -- there are so many ironies here, but it's ironic the leaks are supposed to show you an all-powerful U.S. government that knows all and can manipulate things in the four corners of the world. And here the U.S. government doesn't even know if he's in the transit lounge of the Russian - of the Russian airport. I think it places a kind of useful reality check on the - on the kind of - supposed omniscient powers of the U.S. government.

I think these governments, you know, like Ecuador, Cuba, Venezuela, are doing it exactly as Christiane said, this is -- this is part of a game. They get a certain amount of international publicity and notoriety for doing it. There isn't really very much in it for them. They can't exploit the data they get or the information they get, but it allows them to, you know, to gain a certain kind of international acclaim for standing up to the United States.


ZAKARIA: The -- you know, again, one of the - one of the other ironies here, of course, is that all the countries that Snowden is dealing with -- China, Russia, Cuba, Ecuador, Venezuela -- are all countries that have very harsh restrictions on freedom of the press. So for an advocate of open information to be consorting with perhaps, you know, the worst of the offenders with regard to crackdowns on press freedom and open information is a huge irony.

HOLMES: Yes, great point.

MALVEAUX: Yes. And, Christiane, we want to wrap this up with you here because one of the points that Fareed was making is really -- you have all of these countries who are involved in really providing this safe passage here. There's the petition that went before the White House saying, look, you should look the other way and not prosecute this guy. There are some lawmakers, Representative Peter King, who's calling this guy a traitor. What kind of argument does the Obama administration have? What kind of bar do they need to reach in terms of convincing people that this guy is a danger, he's a threat to national security?

AMANPOUR: Well, I think, you know, this is all a political situation. It's not legal in terms of how it's being dealt with by these other countries. It's purely political and so they've got to come to some kind of political agreement to get him back if indeed they want him back. They're going to have to come up with some political agreement.

The problem is, as we've been saying, that, you know, of course, China has let him go. Obviously President Xi didn't want this to be on his plate. Russia seems to have him, but not quote/unquote on Russian territory because he's in the transit lounge apparently. There's some kind of wiggle room that they're using there. And, of course, relations between the U.S. and Russia, particularly between Vladimir Putin and the Obama administration, are incredibly bad. I mean really very bad. They both met at the G-8 Summit last week and the pictures told the story and the fact that they couldn't come to any agreement on Syria spoke very loudly, as it has done. So it's very bad relations there. And as we've been saying, there's practically no relations in those Latin American countries which themselves form part of a group that's sort of anti- imperialist. They call themselves part of the anti-imperialist alliance read U.S. for imperialists. So it's a very political situation.

HOLMES: Great, great analysis. Yes, really good stuff to read. And Christiane - and you want to talk to Gloria (INAUDIBLE).

MALVEAUX: Yes, yes, Gloria. We got a two minute warning from the White House. The briefing is going to start in just a couple of minutes. What do we expect, Gloria, to get from Jay Carney, the press secretary?

BORGER: Well, he's probably going to get a lot of questions about when Mr. Snowden's passport was revoked and about sort of the tick tock of how this is going down and why we can't get him extradited from Russia.

But to answer your earlier question about what the president can do. And, again, he's got an American public that right now is pretty ambivalent on this. What he can do and what he's trying to do, and you saw it late last week, meet with his privacy board, is declassify some more information that lets you know about how this metadata can help thwart terror attacks and convince the American public that, in fact, this is something that needs to be done for their own safety and that they haven't overstepped the bounds of privacy as we define it in this country. And so I think that's what you're going to see him do on the public relations front, domestically. What he's going to do internationally is another story.

HOLMES: And, Gloria, just briefly, to the point of the hunt for the leaker doing more damage than the leaks themselves, politically.

BORGER: Well, you know, it makes us - it makes us look like we've been played. It makes us look as frustrated as we are. Where the, you know, as Christiane, I think, pointed out, this may play better in China than it does here, right? And, you know, the Chinese can say Americans are hypocrites, they were spying on us. And we've been accused of cyber attacking them. And I think domestically it's an issue for the president because, don't forget the context in which this occurs. He's had problems not only on the NSA surveillance, but on the IRS targeting, on drone strikes, on leak investigations. So, you know, this comes within a larger context for them. All of these being issues that they did not want to deal with right now where they're trying to focus on getting immigration reform passed through the Senate, for example.

HOLMES: All right. We're going to keep you there, Gloria, for after Jay Carney. And Fareed and Christiane, as we said, great analysis, as always. Thanks so much.

MALVEAUX: We're also following some other news today. The Supreme Court has now sidestepped a major decision on whether or not race can be used - continue to be used as a factor in college admissions. We know such programs often used to insure diversity on campuses. But Abigail Fisher sued the University of Texas at Austin after her college application was rejected. This was back in 2008. Well, she argued it was because she was white and she was being treated differently than some less qualified minority students who were accepted.

HOLMES: Now, the Supreme Court ruled today that college's affirmative action plans are constitutional only if racial preferences are the only way to achieve diversity. The justices basically tossed the case back to the lower courts saying that they failed to ask that question in Fisher's case. And so now we are waiting for the Supreme Court, meanwhile, to rule on some other major issues.

MALVEAUX: Including whether or not gay and lesbian couples have a fundamental constitutional right to marry and whether certain states, with a history of discrimination, will still need approval from the Justice Department before changing voting rules and polling locations.

HOLMES: Let's jump into a quick check of the markets here. Boy, ever since the bell rang, there's been a red arrow. And the Dow now down over 200 points. Still around 1.5 percent. It's been like that for the last two, three hours, actually. And this follows the drop of more than 5 percent on China's main stock market earlier today.

MALVEAUX: And the Dow was also shaken last week. This was over concerns that the Federal Reserve will ease up on its help for the economy.

Moving on. Nelson Mandela remains in critical condition at a South African hospital. Now his condition was downgraded from stable yesterday. The former South African leader has been hospitalized since June 8th for a reoccurring lung infection. Now South African President Jacob Zuma says that doctors are doing everything possible for him.

HOLMES: Yes, this has been recurring for some time now. Regularly, in fact. Mandela hasn't made a public appearance since 2010. That was during the rugby World Cup, a big event in South Africa. Coming up in a few minutes, we're going to hear on what Nelson Mandela's daughter has to say about his health situation and the issue of family privacy at the moment. Something very hard for them to get.

MALVEAUX: And we're waiting, as well, for the White House briefing that will occur. And we're moments away. We're going to bring in Jessica Yellin, who's at the White House, to tell us about what we expect here.

Obviously no one seems to know where Edward Snowden is. Do we think the White House has an idea? MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: -- Mandela hasn't made a public appearance since 2010. That was during the Rugby World Cup, a big event in South Africa. Coming up in a few minutes, we're going to hear on what Nelson Mandela's daughter has to say about his health situation and the issue of family privacy, at the moment, something hard for them to get.

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: And we're waiting as well for the White House briefing that will occur. And we're moments away. We're going to bring in Jessica Yellin, who's at the White House, to tell us about what we expect here. Obviously, no one seems to know where Edward Snowden is, do we think the White House has an idea?

JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I suspect they do, Suzanne, but I don't think that they're going to be terribly forthcoming with new information.

The position of the administration is that they had a valid warrant and a valid arrest request from Hong Kong and that he fled despite that request, that they think that he is in Russia and that they are asking all countries to expel him back to the U.S. and face justice.

We'll see if Jay Carney will say all that.



CARNEY: Nobody ever told me.

Good Monday, everyone. Thank you for being here. Always good to have you on a slow news day. The -- before I take your questions, I just wanted to note that this week represents an important step in our efforts to start delivering on the promise of expanding access to quality, affordable health coverage for millions of Americans.

We are launching the new and improved, which you can see behind me and which will -- the marketplace's online home starting in October. For Spanish-speaking customers, has also been updated in preparation for the marketplace. This screen behind me gives you a sense of the new website.

We're also opening a consumer call center that will be open 24 hours a day, seven days a week. This toll-free service will help answer questions and starting in October, it will provide personalized assistance for callers who are filling out their application or selecting a plan.

Beginning October 1st, a new health insurance marketplace will open in every state, giving Americans a whole new way to shop for health insurance.

For the next 100 days, the team at HHS will be working to educate the public about enrollment.

For the first time in the history of the private insurance market, consumers will be able to go to one place to check out their coverage options, get accurate information in easy-to-understand language and make apples-to-apples comparison of plans before they make their decision.

I do recommend that you visit the site. It's, I think, very well designed, very user friendly and represents the efforts under way to help inform the American people about the options available to them under health care reform and the Affordable Care Act.

QUESTION: (Inaudible)?

CARNEY:; also.


QUESTION: Thank you.

What can you tell us about Edward Snowden's whereabouts and is the White House working under the assumption that he's still in Russia?

CARNEY: We understand that he departed Hong Kong yesterday and that he arrived in Russia. Beyond that, I would refer you with regards to his whereabouts to Russian authorities.

QUESTION: So you can't tell us whether you're working (inaudible)?

CARNEY: No, it is our assumption that he is in Russia, yes.

QUESTION: (Inaudible).

QUESTION: And what kind of conversation is there happening right now between the U.S. and Russia? I know there was a statement last night (inaudible) asked the Russians to look at all options for trying to expel him.

Are they receptive? Do they say that they are working toward that goal?

CARNEY: I would say that we are obviously in conversations and that we are working with them or discussing with them and -- or rather expecting them to look at the options available to them to expel Mr. Snowden back to the United States to face justice for the crimes with which he is charged.

I would note that, given our intensified cooperation with Russia after the Boston marathon bombings and our history of working with Russia on law enforcement matters, including returning numerous high level criminals back to Russia at the request of the Russian government, that we do expect the Russian government to look at all the options available to them to expel Mr. Snowden back to the United States.

QUESTION: But have they responded by saying yes?

CARNEY: Again, I don't have details of conversations to read out to you. Obviously we're monitoring this situation very closely and are in contact with Russia and other governments as appropriate. QUESTION: And Snowden left Hong Kong. What type of influence do you think Beijing had in that decision?

CARNEY: Well, first of all, let me say that we -- that the request that was made complied with all of the requirements of the U.S.-Hong Kong surrender agreement. At no point in all of our discussions through Friday did the authorities in Hong Kong raise any issues regarding the sufficiency of the U.S.' provisional or arrest request.

In light of this, we find their decision to be particularly troubling.

Since June 10, when we learned that Mr. Snowden was in Hong Kong, U.S. authorities have been in continual contact with their Hong Kong counterparts at the working and senior levels. Attorney General Eric Holder placed a phone call on June 19th with his counterpart, the Hong Kong Secretary for Justice, stressing the importance of the matter and urging Hong Kong to honor our request for Snowden's arrest.

There have been repeated engagements by the U.S. Department of State and U.S. Consulate General in Hong Kong. There have been repeated engagements by the FBI with their law enforcement counterparts.

And finally, there have been continual communications by the DOJ Criminal Divisions Office of International Affairs with counterparts at Hong Kong's Department of Justice International Law Division and Mutual Legal Assistance Unit.

On June 17th, Hong Kong authorities acknowledged receipt of our request. Despite repeated inquiries, Hong Kong authorities did not respond with any request for additional documents or information, stating only that the matter was under review and refusing to elaborate.

On June 21, Hong Kong authorities requested additional information concerning the U.S. charges and evidence. The U.S. had been in communication with Hong Kong about these inquiries, and we were in the process of responding to the request when we learned that Hong Kong authorities had allowed the fugitive to leave Hong Kong.

With regards to your question about the Chinese government, we are just not buying that this was a technical decision by a Hong Kong immigration official. This was a deliberate choice by the government to release a fugitive despite a valid arrest warrant, and that decision unquestionably has a negative impact on the U.S.-China relationship.


QUESTION: What are the repercussions in U.S.-Chinese relations for this (inaudible)?


CARNEY: Well, I'm not going to speculate about the repercussions, but the Chinese have emphasized the importance of building mutual trust, Steve, as you know, and we think that they have dealt that effort a serious setback. If we cannot count on them to honor their legal extradition obligations, then there is a problem. And that is a point we are making to them very directly.

QUESTION: Has the president spoken with President Xi about this?

CARNEY: I have no presidential communications to report out to you, but obviously we are communicating with our counterparts at the appropriate levels.

QUESTION: Are there repercussions for Russia in U.S.-Russian relations if they do not -- if they don't --

CARNEY: Well, I wouldn't want to speculate on outcomes here. Again, as you know, we understand Mr. Snowden to be in Russia and we are, of course, in discussions with Russian authorities about that.

And as I just noted, we have a strong law enforcement cooperative relationship with the Russians, and that relationship has resulted in the past in us returning criminals to Russia. And we are expecting the Russians to examine the options available to them to expel Mr. Snowden for his return to the United States.

QUESTION: How frustrating is it to the president that, first, China lets him go and now Russia seems to be on the verge of letting him go?

CARNEY: Well, again, I wouldn't want to speculate about anything that has not happened yet. I would simply say that our frustration and disappointment with Hong Kong and China is reflected in the statement I just made.


QUESTION: How did the president react when he learned that Snowden had left Hong Kong? And what -- well, start there.

CARNEY: Well, I would say that the president has been updated by his national security staff continually on developments, as you would expect. I don't have a characterization of his reaction to developments except to say that he's monitoring it closely and that the disappointment that we feel in the handling of this by Hong Kong authorities and the Chinese is evident by what I just said.

QUESTION: Does he want answers on why Snowden's passport wasn't pulled sooner and other steps that could have been taken?

CARNEY: Well, I think there's been -- well, let me say a couple of things about that, because the State Department explained this yesterday.

As a routine matter and consistent with U.S. regulations, persons with felony arrest warrants are subject to having their passport revoked. Such a revocation does not affect citizenship status. Persons wanted on felony charges, such as Mr. Snowden, should not be allowed to proceed in any further international travel other than is necessary to return them to the United States. Now, because of the Privacy Act -- and anyone can note the irony there -- we cannot comment on Mr. Snowden's passport specifically. But I can say that the Hong Kong authorities were advised of the status of his travel documents in plenty of time to have prohibited travel, as appropriate.

QUESTION: It sounds like a bunch of bureaucracy --

CARNEY: No, no. Let me repeat -- Jessica (ph), let me repeat, I can say that the Hong Kong authorities were advised of the status of Mr. Snowden's travel documents in plenty of time to have prohibited his travel as appropriate.

And I think I did reflect our concern and disappointment in the actions -- or the failure to act by Hong Kong authorities, as well as the fact that we do not buy the suggestion that China could not have taken action.

QUESTION: You said the Attorney General has reached out and FBI -- has the president made a call to President Putin?

And if he has not, why not?

CARNEY: Again, I don't have presidential communications to read out to you except to say there is no reason why, given international law, given the relationships that we have with the countries in question, that this would require a communication from the president.

Again, I'm not reading out presidential communications. There are communications at all the appropriate levels, and we note, as I just did, that we have a strong, cooperative relationship with the Russians on law enforcement matters and we expect the Russians to examine the options available to them to expel Mr. Snowden for his return to the United States.


QUESTION: (Inaudible) effort and he isn't returned?

CARNEY: But I think that, as I just said, when it comes to our relations with Hong Kong and China, that we see this as a setback in terms of their efforts to build -- the Chinese -- their efforts to build mutual trust. And our concerns I think are pretty clearly stated.

Yes, (Inaudible)?

QUESTION: Does the administration feel that Mr. Snowden has already revealed everything he has to reveal?

He said that he has access to the full roster of everyone working at the NSA, the entire intelligence community, undercover assets around the world.

Do you believe he has access to that kind of information?

CARNEY: There is a damage assessment that is being undertaken and I don't have specifics on the progress of that assessment for you.

The DNI and the NSA would have more on that for you. I can simply say that we are concerned about, in general, the leak of -- unauthorized leaks of classified information. We're concerned about the kinds of information that has been leaked. I think that's reflected in the action taken by the Department of Justice.

And we've said all along that disclosure of this kind, of highly classified material, is extremely damaging to our national security and gives our terrorist enemies a playbook for our activities designed to thwart them. So the implications of this kind of unauthorized release of information are pretty profound.

Yes, Bill?

QUESTION: The Russian News Agency has speculated that one reason for the delay in his departure may be that there's concern that the U.S. might try to force down the Russian airliner carrying him to land on U.S. territory so that we could retrieve Snowden.

Would we go after him with force like that?

CARNEY: We are communicating with the appropriate authorities in Russia and elsewhere on this matter. I'm not going to respond to speculation in a Russian newspaper. It's been a long time since I've done that.

QUESTION: How far would we go to get him? I mean, would we, for example, force down an airliner from another country?

CARNEY: That's -- I think that we expect the Russian authorities to examine all the options available to them to expel Mr. Snowden appropriately. And I think I can leave it at that.

QUESTION: So you'd rule out any kind of use of force?

CARNEY: I mean, I'm not going to engage in speculation about various options. I would simply say that we're working with authorities in a variety of countries on this matter.

QUESTION: And is there any information on what has happened to the four computers he is supposed to have been carrying?

CARNEY: I don't have any information. I think that -- I, you know, as I said, we remain concerned about the unauthorized leaks of classified information and the potential for leaks of more classified information. There is a damage assessment ongoing.

I think it's safe to assume that we -- that information that he has both provided and may still have is already compromised, and that the damage assessment would have to take that into account.

QUESTION: But there are stories out there that -- one story has the computers having been left behind at some point. Another story has the Chinese having had a chance to copy the information. I mean, what do we know? CARNEY: Again, I don't have specifics about that. Maybe the Department of Justice does. But I can tell you that it's safe to assume in the damage assessment that's ongoing that any information that he might have that's unauthorized that he has not already provided publicly we would expect to be compromised.


QUESTION: Jay, you said the president was disappointed in China's handling of this.

What about the U.S. handling of it?

Who is actually sort of leading the efforts? Is it the White House? Is it the Justice Department? Who is sort of quarterbacking the U.S. response here?

CARNEY: Well, there's a variety of people involved on issues like this -- obviously, the State Department at the diplomatic level; the Department of Justice at a law enforcement level, the White House as a coordinator of --

QUESTION: But is there a point person, given the complexity of all of that?

CARNEY: Point person for what issue? There is --

QUESTION: To track him down.

CARNEY: The Department of Justice has obviously issued an indictment and has a lead in that matter.