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Obama Comments On Snowden Search; The Moment Michael Jackson Died; Supreme Court On Affirmative Action; Berlusconi Gets Jail In Sex Trial; NFL's Aaron Hernandez Investigated; Human Remains At Ex- Mobster's Home; Red Panda Rescued In Washington
Aired June 24, 2013 - 14:30 ET
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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Breaking news. We have now learned that the president of the United States has now made this official public comment about the NSA leaker, Edward Snowden. Let's go back to the White House, back to our chief White House correspondent, Jessica Yellin.
We were just talking about this. Tell me what the president said.
YELLIN: Hi, Brooke.
President Obama, in a meeting now with business leaders on immigration reform, was asked by a journalist whether he has talked to
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: -- back to the White House, back to our chief White House correspondent, Jessica Yellin. We were just talking about this. Tell me what the president said.
JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Brooke. President Obama in a meeting now with business leaders on immigration reform was asked by a journalist whether he has talked to Russia's President Putin and asked him specifically to return Edward Snowden to the U.S. The White House, as we've reported, believes that Snowden is in Russia. Here's what President Obama said when asked if he's spoken to Russia's President Putin.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: You know, what we know is that we're following all the appropriate legal channels. And working with various other countries to make sure that rule of law is observed. Beyond that, I'll refer to the Justice Department that has been actively involved in the case, all right?
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YELLIN: So you can see he quite carefully avoided answering that specific question, Brooke. A couple of reasons I can tell you, bottom line, the president of the United States would not want to put his own prestige and that of the United States on the line by calling world leaders and asking for the return of a fugitive or whatever you want to call Edward Snowden in this case if they think he might not be returned, it could be a blemish not just for the president but for the U.S.' global leadership -- Brooke.
BALDWIN: OK, Jessica Yellin, thank you very much. We also talked at the top of the show with talking the sort of legal ramifications here. So next hour at the top of the hour, we're going to bring in a former CIA operative because one of the questions on so many people's minds is, you know, how can the U.S. find him again? He is faced with espionage charges. That is at least, thus far. So we're going to look at possibilities of finding him and grabbing him into custody. That's at the top of the next hour. Stay tuned for that.
Meantime, coming up, Michael Jackson's daughter Paris. She is recovering still in this hospital in L.A. after an apparent suicide attempt earlier this month. But a videotaped deposition she gave is expected to be shown in court later today. We have a preview of that, next.
BALDWIN: Michael Jackson died exactly four years ago tomorrow. Can you believe that? It's been four years now. So this wrongful death trial is under way. It's revealing these new details about those horrifying moments when his children first learned their father was dead.
Alan Duke is covering this for us today because, Alan, you have this preview of what Paris Jackson, Jackson's 15-year-old daughter, gave as part of this deposition to be played today at the trial. What did she say?
ALAN DUKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, we saw this clip of her last week played by the AEG lawyers and released. Well, on the eve of the fourth anniversary of Michael Jackson's death, we expect later this afternoon when court starts to be allowed to have a clip of Paris' deposition, a question that the Jackson lawyers asked.
So we are going to -- we'll find out then, actually. I can't tell you yet what she's going to say. I do know she'll be talking about her relationship with her father and she will be talking about how devastating it was that day four years ago when she was at a hospital following an ambulance to UCLA Medical Center where her father died. And incidentally, of course, she is still hospitalized being treated under psychiatric care for that suicide attempt, a very serious situation with Paris Jackson.
BALDWIN: How is she doing?
DUKE: You know, I don't stalk her and I'm not going to tell you intimate details of her treatment.
BALDWIN: Thank goodness. DUKE: Unlike some, I'm not going to do that. I will tell you what I do know is that they searched high and low and interviewed people and found the team to treat her and they're doing that now. They're not ignoring the situation. They are taking it very seriously and she is still hospitalized nearly a month after she was taken by an ambulance from her home.
BALDWIN: Alan Duke, thank you very much. Appreciate it for us in Los Angeles.
BALDWIN: Coming up, former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi sentenced to seven years in prison for an underage sex scandal that absolutely rocked Italy. We will tell you how someone named Ruby "The Heart Stealer," remember her, played a role in this trial. We're going to take you live to Milan next.
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BALDWIN: The Supreme Court said today, yes, an applicant's race can be considered for entry into college. But only, only, only, only if nothing else works to maintain campus diversity. This case starts with a young woman by the name of Abigail Fisher here. She was denied admission by the University of Texas. Abigail Fisher turned around and sued, claiming nonwhites were admitted with lower grades than hers.
Today the high court refused to decide that case directly, but said a lower court was wrong in ruling against Abigail Fisher. So this case now goes back to that lower court with a note from the Supreme saying this go round, Texas has to prove that using a racial standard is the only way of ensuring diversity. Got it? We're going to talk about that a little later.
Glamorous sex parties, erotic dancers, and sex with this woman, a 17- year-old Moroccan- born prostitute known as "Ruby, the Heart Stealer." Behind closed doors this was the life for former Italian Prime Minister Sillvio Berlusconi. Now his sordid past is catching up with him. He's just been sentenced to seven years in prison, found guilty of sex with a minor, banned from ever entering politics again. Live with me from Milan is our senior international correspondent, Ben Wedeman. Ben, before we walk through the charges here and whether or not he'll actually see the inside of a prison, remind me. Remind our viewers about these bunga bunga parties.
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: These bunga bunga parties refer to the room in his mansion where after dinner entertainment took place. This included some fairly not for family viewing activities where there was sort of suggestive, erotic, burlesque dancing by paid, shall we say, exotic dancers.
Now, Silvio Berlusconi has denied all the time that any sex took place at these parties, but certainly the stories one hears, the claims that have been made, are quite colorful, to say the least. For instance, one of these women apparently dressed up as Barack Obama and engaged in fondling with one of the other women there. It's pretty spicy stuff by any standard.
As I said, he denies it all. Another instance was where "Ruby, the Heart Stealer" was arrested for petty theft by the Milan police and Silvio Berlusconi called the police station and explained she was the granddaughter of the new deposed Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and that they should release her to avoid a diplomatic incident.
Of course, Brooke, she has no relation with the Egyptian president. That's one of the major charges, actually, is that he abused his position, his power as prime minister, to intercede to win her release from police custody. And this, of course, is just the tip of the iceberg. Some of the stories you hear in Italy about Silvio Berlusconi.
BALDWIN: I was just thinking, the stories you could tell Ben Wedeman, but you can't because we're on television. We'll end that conversation there. Let me though just point this out that the Italian courts, they are known for the relatively low lock up rate, you know, except in the case of murder. Here he is Berlusconi. He is 76 years old. I mean, after the appeals, presumably that will happen. What are the chances that Berlusconi will actually serve any of this time?
WEDEMAN: Well, there's slim but not impossible because this is only one of a variety of cases he's involved in and one of them is a very serious tax evasion charge relating to his media empire. At the end of this year, his appeal process will run out. Even though there's a special dispensation for convicted criminals over the age of 70 whereby their sentence is automatically reduced, there's no guarantee that he's going to escape that time. I would not bet my bottom dollar or euro that he will never spend a night behind bars.
BALDWIN: OK, Ben Wedeman for us in Milan. Ben, I appreciate that.
Coming up next, New York gangster Jimmy "The Gent" Burke, remember Robert Denero in "Good Fellas"? He played that character based on this real life guy. Police were searching Burke's former home in Queens last week. We've been reporting on this. Big news here, we will tell you what they have now found, next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BALDWIN: Police investigators, they are back on the job today near the home of NFL player Aaron Hernandez. This time around, they're searching a roadside stream there. They have already searched his home not just once, but twice in recent days along with his car, some nearby woods and a strip club.
This whole thing, this is part of the investigation into last week's death of a man named Odin Lloyd, whose body was found in this industrial park near Hernandez's neighborhood. Lloyd's family says the two men were friends. Hernandez hasn't commented on the case.
It is a New York mobster mystery with a new huge lead. Test results on materials found at the former New York home of late gangster Jimmy "The Gent" Burke have come back positive for human remains. You may not recognize his name. Again, we just have to remind you, he was the real life inspiration for Robert Deniro's unforgettable character in "Good Fellas."
Jason Carroll, he's been all over this story. Jason Carroll, so this is a huge development. Now that investigators know the material is, in fact, human remains, what's the next step?
JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Brooke. It's the story that just keeps on giving. Right now the Medical Examiner's Office is conducting what they call an anthropological investigation on the human remains. Doctors will try to extract DNA to help them identify who was buried beneath the home and when.
And, Brooke, you remember FBI agents -- when was this, last week. That's when they began searching Burke's former home in Queens. It was last Monday. It's now owned by his daughter. A law enforcement source says investigators are looking into a case that occurred sometime before 1996 though it is widely speculated that Burke was involved in that infamous Lufthansa heist back in 1978.
In the movie "Good Fellas" that you mentioned there, Burke played by Deniro kills many of those who helped him out in the heist. The reality is some of the cases involving those missing crime associates are still unsolved even to this day. But investigators say it should also be noted Burke was also involved in a number of other illegal activities.
So that search that you see there that took place at Burke's former home may end up having nothing to do with the Lufthansa heist. It certainly would be interesting if it did. In any case, investigators would not say what led them back to the home after all these years. One source telling me the search was successful. That's how he characterized it. Now we'll see if they're able to make some sort of positive id from these remains and see if another chapter in this mystery unveils itself.
BALDWIN: We know you'll be following it. Jason Carroll, we will be asking and sticking by that closely. Thank you so much.
And now, coming up, it is being billed as the sweetest comeback in history ever. We're going to talk Twinkies.
We're also going to talk about this furry little guy, my goodness, the red panda, missing in Washington. That's coming up.
BALDWIN: All right, I can now tell you within the past hour a rescue unit from the Washington National Zoo rescued a missing red panda, this little adorable fella here. This is Rusty who was gone from his quarters this morning. Zoo officials were petrified, they were worried, rusty might be dead. Now they have him. And we have Brian Todd in Washington who apparently has been all over this, Brian. So this is good news for the zoo. What happened?
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brooke, they noticed rusty missing at about 7:30 a.m. Eastern Time this morning. The last time they had actually seen him in this exhibit area was about 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time last night when they fed him and his partner, Shama, the female who was in here.
At 7:30 this morning they did notice Rusty missing. They had a horticulture team out here checking to see if he could have escaped via some of the trees that are here. He's a big time climber. These are arboreal animals. They climb in trees. They live in trees. They sleep in trees. They said that that's a possibility. That's how he could have gotten out.
But we did just got word, Brooke, that he has been found. He has been crated and is on his way back to the zoo. That does not mean that he's going to go right back into the exhibit. A zoo official just told me a short time ago they're going to take him to the zoo hospital, which was on the grounds, just over a little this way a little bit on the edge of the zoo ground. They're going to put him in there.
Not clear how long they're going to keep him in there. Probably for observation, make sure he didn't injure himself, very interestingly though, in discussing with my colleagues, the layout of this whole place. He would have had to have crossed to get over to the place they captured him. He would had to have crossed a fairly major thoroughfare, the rock creek parkway, to get to the area where they captured him. He had to have made his way out there somehow -- Brooke.
BALDWIN: That is a busy spot. Brian Todd, thank you very much. Now zoo officials can rest, I guess, a little easier. Brian Todd is in Washington for us.
Coming up next here, arresting Edward Snowden. We're going to talk live to a former CIA operative and ask him many questions including what options the United States has in terms of getting Snowden in custody and bringing him back to the U.S. to face his espionage charges. That's coming up.