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Snowden on the Move; Interview with Congressman Peter King of New York; Zimmerman Trial About to Begin; Tragedy at Ohio Air Show; Britain Bets on Royal Birth
Aired June 24, 2013 - 08:00 ET
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SEN. CHARLES SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: Putin always seems almost eager to put a finger in the eye of the United States.
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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Happening now, Edward Snowden the NSA leaker on the run. Another country letting him go. Where is he now and is there anything the U.S. can do about it?
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Tragedy in the air as horrified spectators watch on. New details on why this air show stunt went so wrong and why these accidents seem to happen so often.
MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: And, royal baby watch. New details this morning on how Duchess Catherine will give birth, not the same as here in the United States.
CUOMO: Your NEW DAY continues right now.
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ANNOUNCER: This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan and Michaela Pereira.
BOLDUAN: Good morning and welcome back to NEW DAY, everyone. It is Monday June 24th, I'm Kate Bolduan.
CUOMO: And I'm Chris Cuomo, as always, with Michaela Pereira. It is 8:00 in the East. BOLDUAN: Where is Edward Snowden now? That is the big question. The NSA leaker on the run and is getting help from WikiLeaks. After traveling from Hong Kong to Moscow, Snowden was expected to board a flight to Cuba this morning. But the plane took off, apparently, without him on it. It's not clear if he's still at the Moscow airport or, honestly, where he is at this point.
It's believed that Snowden's eventual destination will be Ecuador where officials are now considering his request for asylum.
The White House is lashing out at countries that have ignored the U.S. request to turn Snowden away and get him back to the U.S.
We have team coverage on this story, starting with Phil Black. He filed this report just before boarding the flight to Cuba that Snowden was expected to be on.
PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Edward Snowden has spent the night in the transit area of Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport. Trying to get his next step has been a very popular exercise here in Moscow over the last 24 hours. Sudden dash from Hong Kong to Russia took a lot of people by surprise. We now know he hopes to get to Ecuador where he has asked for political asylum.
So, that's his goal, but still a long way from getting there.
(voice-over): At Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport, there were early signs the government of Ecuador was playing a role in the face of Edward Snowden. The flag was a giveaway. This was the Ecuadorian ambassador's car parked outside. And this official from the embassy somehow got lost inside the terminal.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not going to give any comments.
BLACK (on camera): Are you here in relation to Mr. Snowden at all?
(voice-over): The world learned of Snowden's sudden departure from Hong Kong when he was already in the air bound for Moscow on a commercial flight. A big group of Russian and international journalists waited to meet him. But Snowden stayed inside the terminal. Soon after, the government of Ecuador confirmed he had formally asked for asylum.
Ecuador is already protecting one other man, WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange. Assange has been living in Ecuador's London embassy for the last year. In a statement, WikiLeaks said Snowden had asked the organization to help find a country to help protect him. It said, "He's bound for a democratic nation via safe route for the purpose of asylum and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisers from WikiLeaks."
Amid furious and changing speculation about where Snowden planned to go after Russia, the U.S. government asked Ecuador, Venezuela and Cuba to refuse him entrance and his American passport was canceled. (on camera): Crucially, we haven't from the Russian government about how it feels about Snowden's arrival here. So, we don't know if it will let him to leave, as he wishes, if it will try to extract further intelligence from him, or if it will help the United States reclaim one of its most wanted citizens.
Back to you, Chris, Kate.
CUOMO: All right. Thanks, Phil.
Edward Snowden's trip to Moscow putting more strain on the already frayed relationship between the U.S. and Russia. Overnight, the Obama administration released a heated statement criticizing governments who have helped Snowden.
CNN's Brianna Keilar is at the White House with that -- Brianna.
BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Chris.
This statement coming from the president's National Security Council, taking aim specifically at Hong Kong and China for allowing Snowden to leave. A spokeswoman saying that this is detrimental to relations between the U.S., and Hong Kong and China.
KEILAR (voice-over): The bombshell news that Edward Snowden had fled to Hong Kong, flying to Russia is triggering outrage from Congress.
Chuck Schumer warning Moscow of serious consequences.
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: What's infuriating here is Prime Minister Putin of Russian aiding and abetting Snowden's escape. The bottom line is very simple: allies are supposed to treat each other in decent ways. And Putin always seems eager to put a finger in the eye of the United States.
KEILAR: Hong Kong came under fire from Washington as well after its claim that the U.S. hadn't provided enough information to arrest Snowden. The Obama Justice Department saying, "Our extradition request met all the requirements." The DOJ arguing its first request to arrest Snowden came June 15th and that Hong Kong authorities raised questions only Friday.
Another lawmaker points to Beijing.
SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D), CALIFORNIA: China clearly had a role in this in my view. I don't think this was just Hong Kong without Chinese acquiescence.
KEILAR: Still, did the U.S. wait too long to charge Snowden? And U.S. officials tell CNN they revoked his passport only Saturday. With word he would seek asylum in Ecuador or elsewhere, a State Department official said the U.S. is advising these governments that Snowden is wanted on felony charges and as such, should not be allowed to proceed in any further international travel.
And the head of the NSA publicly slammed Snowden.
GEN. KEITH ALEXANDER, NSA DIRECTOR: This is an individual who is not acting in my opinion with noble intent.
KEILAR: And Secretary of State John Kerry traveling in India just like this last hour commented on Snowden saying, "Evidently he places himself above the law, having betrayed his country with his violation of oath," and I think there are very serious implications in that. And, Chris, like other administration officials, he's really questioning Snowden is positioning himself as a crusader of Internet freedom saying he is looking to China and Russia for help, two powerful bastions -- powerful bastions, Kerry said, of Internet freedom, obviously very fictitious there.
CUOMO: All right. Brianna, thank you.
On truth, the situation has gotten bigger than Snowden because it's about the U.S.'s ability to handle business with its allies.
BOLDUAN: And more and more countries getting involved here. They're being pulled in to get involved. They're not (ph) jumping to get involved themselves.
Let's talk about this a little bit more. One of the many politicians who is outraged at Russia's role in Snowden's flight is Congressman Peter King. He's a Republican from New York and a member of the very important House Homeland Security Committee and joining us now this morning.
Congressman, it's great to see you. Thanks for coming in.
REP. PETER KING (R), NEW YORK: Thank you, Kate. Good to see you.
BOLDUAN: I want to get, a lot, obviously, that we can get to, real quick. So, let's talk about the situation that really a unfolded between the U.S. and Hong Kong. Hong Kong said they need more information about the charges against Snowden. The U.S. says, we did just that. We met the requirements and we met the standard, but, still, we see exactly what happened to Snowden that he was able to get out of Hong Kong.
Who are you blaming at this point for this game that seems the U.S. is just playing catch-up continuously. Did someone, security officials fail or is Hong Kong blatantly just going against the wishes of the U.S.?
KING: I agree with Senator Feinstein. I think that China and Hong Kong both blatantly went against the wishes of the United States. We have a long history of extraditions with Hong Kong. This happens all the time, as far as being able to work with them. If there was any technical error they were talking about, that happens very often and it's corrected. So, no, I think this was totally a political decision by Hong Kong. We have experts in the Justice Department. Again, they have an excellent relationship in the past with Hong Kong, with extradition matters. This was strictly a political decision and I can't believe Hong Kong would have made it without China encouraging it or certainly acquiescing in it.
BOLDUAN: Well, with that in mine, I mean, from your perspective as a member of Congress, what do you think Congress can and should, if anything, do about the situation at this point?
KING: Well, there's no easy answer as far as with China or Hong Kong, certainly with China. But again, as far as tipping the balance, we have to take a much, I believe, tougher attitude with China. Certainly, don't give them the benefit of the doubt on issues whether it involves trade, whether it involves currency or whatever. We have to step back and say that business cannot go on as usual.
Countries who want to have partnerships with each other, whether it's business, political, diplomatic, whatever, cannot, cannot violate an extradition request such as this and not have consequence.
So, this is really up to the president to be more aggressive and to know how to play his cards better, I think, than he has up to now.
BOLDUAN: Republicans have often criticized the president in very different situations leading from behind. Do you blame the president for how this has been handled so far?
KING: Over, I -- from the start of this whole NSA matter, the president should have been out front. Because, you know, about a month ago, he told us that the war against terrorism is winding down and we were back to a pre-9/11 stage.
Then, it comes out about all the elaborate surveillance, which I support, by the way. But the president has to explain to the American people why if he believes we're back in pre-9/11 we're using such advance post-9/11 techniques and methods.
He's been silent. He should be the leader. He should be out. Not talking about in Berlin, speaking to the American people.
In same manner (ph), he's always to do to let the Chinese and Russians know how serious we are about this.
So, it appears as if, again, I hate to be in the middle of the crisis second guessing the president, but where is he? Where is the president? Why is he not speaking to the American people? Why is he not more forceful in dealing with foreign leaders?
BOLDUAN: One final question: you know, Snowden was a government contractor that was, obviously, working with the government in Hawaii. Do you think Congress should reduce or limit the number of government contractors that are handling such classified information? KING: This has to be reviewed. It's already been discussed and General Alexander, General Clapper -- no, this is something that has to be looked into a lot more carefully. Obviously, with so many security clearances out there and so many going into the private sector, is there a difference between the security clearance and standards for one or the other. Really, there shouldn't be, as far as I know, there's not. But obviously, the ball was dropped here and we have someone like Snowden who to me is a traitor and defector and not any kind of hero.
And let me just say, I think Senator Rand Paul was totally off base yesterday when he tried to compare Snowden to General Clapper. Take an American hero in General Clapper and somehow analogize him with a traitor. We've gone too far in this country as far as having this equalization between traitors and heroes.
Snowden is the traitor and anyone who calls him a hero is just I think terribly misguided.
BOLDUAN: All right. Congressman Peter King, always great to have you on. Thanks so much.
CUOMO: All right. We are less than an hour away from opening statements in a trial the whole nation will be watching.
George Zimmerman is charged with second degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.
CNN's George Howell in Sanford, Florida, with trials about to get under way.
George, what do we know about the jury?
GEORGE HOWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Chris, good morning. So, it is a panel of all women on this jury. We know that five of them are white according to the attorneys and one is black or black Hispanic.
And we also know the majority of these jurors, at least five of them are mothers. One was arrested for something, what, we don't know. And also one carried a firearm, carried a gun and had a permit to carry a concealed weapon. But from what we understand stopped carrying the gun and decided she didn't need to carry the gun any more. Also, one was arrested, but for what we are still unclear.
CUOMO: It's interesting. You have six, instead of 12 because this isn't a capital offense. Only six jurors and sensitivity obviously that you have women on the jury. Sometimes that means you'll get emotional response from a jury. But in the same time, you have concealed carry permit holders, gun owners on that jury, so that could cut both ways.
And the other development that matters here this morning as we head to opening statements is that the judge ruled, you can't have an expert tell you what voices we hear on the 911 audio. How is that expected to play out? HOWELL: Chris, that's a big deal. Really, it is a blow to the prosecution. Because of this, the prosecution wanted to make it clear to jurors, in their opinion, that it was not George Zimmerman screaming for help on that 911 tape.
We spoke to CNN legal analyst Mark NeJame about that and he gave us his opinion as to why this is bad news for the prosecution. Let's listen.
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MARK NEJAME, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Their audio expert was one of the major cornerstones of their entire case. From the beginning, we have been saying whoever's voice it was crying for help suggested, in fact, showed that the other person was, in fact, the perpetrator.
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HOWELL: So, the bottom line there. They can still play the audiotape. The jurors can hear it and, in fact, the prosecution, they can bring in witnesses to give their opinions about who's screaming on that tape. But we will not hear from those audio experts, Chris, that the prosecution wanted to bring in.
CUOMO: Including family members to help identify the voice in there.
George Howell, thank you very much. Appreciate you monitoring the trial for us.
HOWELL: Thank you.
BOLDUAN: Federal officials are investigating what caused a deadly fiery crash at an Ohio air show. Thousands watched as the plane carrying a veteran wing walker and stunt pilot suddenly dropped from the sky during what is being called a routine stunt.
CNN's Athena Jones is in Washington with more on this.
What are they finding out? And what happened, Athena?
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Kate. Well, an NTSB official tells me investigators expect to be there on the accident scene, collecting evidence for the next couple of days as they begin to try to determine what went so horribly wrong there in Dayton.
JONES (voice-over): For more than a decade, this is how Jane Wicker (ph) lived her life. On Saturday in Dayton, Ohio, this is how it tragically ended. As planned, her plane turns upside down so she can sit on its wing, then, suddenly, disaster. Wicker and her pilot, Charlie Shwinker (ph) are killed instantly. The key question, what caused the plane to become so unbalanced during a standard part of her routine?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to ask, ladies and gentlemen, number one, that you turn your kids away from the scene.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's terrible. I've never seen it happen before. We never expect to see something like that happen, and it's awful.
JONES: The NTSB is investigating, but says it's way too early to know what went wrong.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're doing all the data collection right now. So, we're not going to have any kind of determination on findings or probable cause at this point.
JONES: Fellow performers say flying so close to the ground, there's no room for error.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very focused as wing walkers and have a lot of trust for our pilots who, you know, we put our faith in as they carry our lives on the wings.
JONES: Wicker's daredevil career began here at the flying circus in Virginia.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In 1990, I answered an ad in the newspaper said wing walker wanted, no experience necessary.
JONES: Constant danger is always a factor in air shows, but unlike the 2011 crash in Reno, Nevada that killed ten spectators, no onlookers were injured in Dayton. Speaking just a day before the crash, Wicker thought she, too, would be safe.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I'm probably the only person, one of the few in the world that actually will walk in front of the crowd along the wings of the airplane at a (ph) safety line.
JONES (on-camera): Now, a preliminary report will be issued within ten business days of the accident. But it's going to take them a year or more to figure out the probable cause of the crash. And one more thing, i had a chance to speak to the fiance of Wicker who was there at the site when the crash happened. He said they had a wonderful relationship. So, sad story, Kate.
BOLDUAN: Your heart just stops when you see that video. Athena, thanks so much.
CUOMO: A man accused of kidnapping and killing an eight-year-old girl in Florida has been denied bail. Police say Cherish Perrywinkle (ph) vanished this weekend after reportedly leaving a Wal-Mart with a stranger. This morning, we are learning new details about the 56- year-old registered sex offender who had a long, criminal history. CNNs Alina Machado is in Atlanta with the latest -- Alina.
ALINA MACHADO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Chris, that criminal history dates back to the 1970s. Meanwhile, as you can imagine, the little girl's family is struggling to come to terms with what has happened.
MACHADO (voice-over): This is Cherish Perrywinkle, a vibrant eight- year-old girl who liked to play dress up and loved to sing. On Sunday, it was her five-year-old sister who sang for her --
(SINGING) twinkle, twinkle little star.
MACHADO: -- in a vigil to honor Cherish's memory. Hours earlier --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) charged with kidnapping and murder.
MACHADO: Donald Smith appeared in court. The 56-year-old Florida man is a registered sex offender. Police say he first met Cherish and her mother at a dollar general store Friday night.
MIKE WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR, JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE: That man offered to take them to Wal-Mart and buy her family some clothes and appeared to be (INAUDIBLE) to get help him out (ph).
MACHADO: After being inside the store for a couple of hours, police say Smith offered to buy the family some hamburgers.
WILLIAMS: As he walked to front of the store, he took our eight-year- old victim with them. They walked to the front of the Wal-Mart towards the McDonald's and did not stop at McDonald's. They would walked outside, gotten his van, and left.
MACHADO: Saturday morning, police arrested Smith soon after Cherish's body was found in a wooded area near a Jacksonville church where this memorial for her continues to grow.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anything that you can tell us?
MACHADO: According to the Department of Corrections, Smith has a lengthy criminal record that includes crimes involving children. He was most recently convicted of impersonating a public employee and aggravated child abuse. Court records show he was sentenced to a year in county jail and was just released May 31st.
MACHADO (on-camera): Now, this man has pled not guilty to the murder and the kidnapping charges, but because this investigation is ongoing, prosecutors say he could face additional charges -- Chris, Kate.
CUOMO: All right. Thank you very much, Alina. Appreciate the reporting.
BOLDUAN: It's clearly a busy news morning, so let's get straight to Michaela with the big headlines.
PEREIRA: All right. Let's dig in here. Making news, an anxious country awaits and prays as former South African president, Nelson Mandela, fights for his life. He is now in critical condition. His daughter says she's trying to cherish the time she was with him, but she says she believes he is at peace.
Mandela has been in the hospital now for more than two weeks battling a recurring lung infection.
The parents of missing journalist, Austin Rice -- Tice (ph), rather, on their way to Lebanon hoping to find their son. Tice was preparing to leave Syria for Lebanon when he went missing. The state department believes Tice was detained by Syrian officials. He had snuck into the country to report on the uprising there. His last contact with the family was in August.
Now, the latest in the flooding disaster in Alberta, Canada, a glimmer of good news. 65,000 people have gotten the all-clear to return home to Calgary.
Meanwhile, in a city of Medicine Hat, a very different story. Ten thousand people have complied with evacuation orders there. Paul Vercammen is in Medicine Hat, which is in the southeastern corner of the province. Tell us about the conditions. I can tell by the visual right there, it is not good.
PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it is and it isn't. First off, you're right, 10,000 people evacuated here and you can see the river has far exceeded its banks by about 200 yards where I'm standing and you can see they're actively pumping. But, the military got involved here. Some 400 members, some combat engineers, and they laid down this defense using both rock and dirt and it has held, so far.
The river has crested. Right now, officials here at Medicine Hat saying that they have gotten through the worse and everything is holding steady. If you look over here, an eerie site. A completely abandoned neighborhood. This is a city of only 61,000. And this area, called the plats, everybody is out talking to neighbors here.
They're all just crossing their fingers, hoping that this defense lay down by the Canadian military with military precision will hold and that Medicine Hat will avert a major disaster here. Now, back to you.
PEREIRA: All right. Paul Vercammen there. So glad you have those boots on. Stay dry and stay well.
Well, they're back, Twinkies and other Hostess snack cakes returning -- you heard him here -- returning to store shelves July 15th. A few of the recipes apparently have been tweaked. For instance, cupcakes will be made with dark cocoa instead of milk chocolate, and there will be reportedly a new tag line.
You ready? "The sweetest comeback in the history of ever." Hostess filed for bankruptcy last year but was bought by a private equity firm and they're bringing them back. They heard the cries.
BOLDUAN: They heard the outrage. That is a fabulous tag line.
PEREIRA: In the history of ever. BOLDUAN: The best comeback of ever. Thank you so much.
OK. Still coming up on NEW DAY, as we mentioned, George Zimmerman second-degree murder trial is getting under way soon. Our own expert, Nancy Grace, is coming back to join us to break it down.
CUOMO: And let the royal baby watch begin. What makes the royal birth so different from a birth in the U.S.? That's the question. The answer when we return.
BOLDUAN: Welcome back to New Day, everyone. The royal baby isn't due until mid-July, but the royal baby watch is on coming fast and furious. CNN medical correspondent, Elizabeth Cohen, is joining us now with all the speculation. So, what are you learning, Elizabeth?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. I was in London a couple of weeks ago, checking out their hospitals.
COHEN: And, I've given birth four times, thought I've seen it all, but what they do on the other side of the pond is really quite different. So, let's take a look.
COHEN (voice-over): The bets are in, literally. Brits are wagering on not just when Kate will give birth, but how.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will she be too posh to push? Is it going to be a cesarean section or is it going to be a natural birth?
COHEN: Most people are putting their money on C-section, but that may be a bad bet.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She wants to be the new people's princess. She wants to be normal.
COHEN: And in England, normal is natural. C-section rates are about 30 percent lower than in the United States. Kate's royal birth may be a royal pain. In England, fewer than three out of ten women have epidurals compared to at least six out of ten women in the states. The delivery rooms at Homerton Hospital in London are actually designed to avoid epidurals. Instead, moms can have aquadurals.
(on-camera) So, this is a birthing pool. Women give birth under water. Now, in the United States, water births are considered, well, kind of fringy, but here in Britain, they're normal.
PHILIPPA COX, MIDWIFE: The water may be all that she needs.
COHEN (voice-over): If Kate wanted a tub, William could be right there with her.
So, that is in the pool --
COX: Can be. Yes.
COX: We usually encourage him to wear trunks and a t-shirt.
COHEN: There's also a birthing chair. If Kate wanted one of these contraptions, she'd sit in front and William behind her.
So, this is kind of instead of an epidural.
COHEN: She grabs on to this and feels better.
COX: Also, probably helps pinching their husbands for pain.
COHEN: Now, a pain drug almost unheard of in the U.S. is quite common here. Laughing gas.
APRIL RICHARDS, PREGNANT MOM: It doesn't make you laugh, though. Even though it's called laughing gas.
COHEN: So, nothing is funny right now?
RICHARDS: No, nothing is funny.
COHEN (on-camera): Now, there are reports in the British media that Kate is actually considering hypnosis for pain relief in birth.
BOLDUAN: I have heard of that. So, that woman that was just at the end of the piece, she looked like she was in a lot of pain. Did she end up getting an epidural?
COHEN: She didn't. I thought for sure this woman is going to end up with an epidural. She was in so much pain. She labored for seven hours, but she didn't get an epidural which is what's normal there. People don't tend to get them. And she had a beautiful baby girl and her name is Javaia Latia (ph).
COHEN: Little sweetie pie, seven pounds and doing great.
CUOMO: I like the curtain idea, because it replaces the husband's neck.
COHEN: That is a benefit.
BOLDUAN: Everyone's birth plan is different.
PEREIRA: Water birth.
PEREIRA: -- colleague that did that. The idea is that the environment that the baby is welcomed into is very much like what it was experiencing in the womb, right?
COHEN: Right, exactly. And you would think they would suck in the water, but they don't because they're used to live in the water, like you said. So, they come out and they don't breathe until you bring them up to the air. And actually, the mom is the one who brings them up. Like, the mom encouraged to bend down and bring that baby up.
CUOMO: Any different daddy rules? Seems like there's no Daddy in this piece. Are they allowed to be there?
COHEN: They say they want the daddy in the tub. They tell the daddy to wear swimming trunks.
CUOMO: In the tub?
COHEN: William can get in the tub with Kate, if they want to do that.
BOLDUAN: That's love right there.
CUOMO: That's love.
PEREIRA: Chris' thought bubble is very interesting right now.
CUOMO: Reasons not to live in England.
BOLDUAN: Regardless, good luck to both of them. It's coming soon. Thanks so much, Elizabeth. Great to see you in New York.
CUOMO: Coming up on NEW DAY, in Florida, the George Zimmerman murder trial is getting under way. HLN's Nancy Grace is here. She's going to have her take on this and other high-profile cases.
BOLDUAN: And John Berman has been hitting the Internet, again. Meteorologist freaks out when she sees - that is (INAUDIBLE).
PEREIRA: Poor thing.
BOLDUAN: Oh my goodness.
PEREIRA: I can't stand it.