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Where is Snowden Now?; Senate Poised to Pass Immigration Bill; Interview with House Minority Nancy Pelosi; Zimmerman Defense Opens with Knock-Knock Joke; Manchester Museum Mystery; Mixed Reactions on Jim Carrey's Statement on "Kick Ass 2"; First Birthday at 19

Aired June 25, 2013 - 08:00   ET


KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning and welcome back to NEW DAY, everyone. It's Tuesday, June 25th, I'm Kate Bolduan.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Chris Cuomo, along with Michaela Pereira here at the 8:00 hour in the east.

BOLDUAN: In just moments, Nancy Pelosi is going to be joining us for an exclusive conversation.

Really, so many topics in the news of the day, international hunt for Edward Snowden, as well as the pressing issue of immigration reform.

CUOMO: Really interesting development in Hollywood. Actor Jim Carrey sparking controversy after he decided to pull support for his new movie, "Kick-Ass 2". The actor says he can't get behind the violence. Is he making a good point or being a little bit of a hypocrite?

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: I'm curious what you would think, Chris Cuomo, is this a fashion faux pas, white socks with red sneakers? Or are you not looking at that, because there's more of an image you can't get out of your head?

A streaker, kind of distracting from the Dolce and Gabbana fashion show. Yes, they took him down.

CUOMO: Well, you got to have great shoes to distract from the rest of the body.

BOLDUAN: All right. But big stories today, more confusion this morning over the whereabouts of NSA leaker Edward Snowden. Russia's foreign minister says his country is not cooperating with Snowden in any way and that he has not crossed the Russian border. WikiLeaks is helping Snowden with his plan to seek asylum in Ecuador. Its founder Julian Assange says he knows where Snowden is but, of course, he's not telling.

Atika Shubert is live in our London bureau with more -- Atika.

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the concern isn't just about finding Snowden, but it's also about securing what he's believed to have, which is four laptops worth of information that they fear he may still have on the NSA. (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

SHUBERT (voice-over): Where in the world is Edward Snowden?

This morning, no one seems to know.

He's likely somewhere in the Moscow airport's transit terminal, caught in legal limbo, not technically in Russia, so not technically Russia's problem. But Snowden is turning into a very big problem, indeed. He was expected on an Aeroflot flight to Havana, Cuba. But as the planeload of journalists on the 13-hour flight found out, too late, his seat went empty.

Ecuador may take him in, but at this hour, Ecuadorian diplomat haven't said whether they will grant him entree. This as the U.S. applies maximum pressure behind the scenes and in blistering statements on Russia, Ecuador and anyone else thinking of taking him on.

So, for now, we believe he waits. His global journey aided by this man, Julian Assange, founder of the anti-secrecy Web site, WikiLeaks, a man whose own legal troubles have led him to seek refuge in Ecuador embassy in London for more than a year.

In telephone presser, Assange said a WikiLeaks staffer was traveling with Snowden.

JULIAN ASSANGE, WIKILEAKS (via telephone): This morning, the U.S. secretary of state called Edward Snowden a traitor. Edward Snowden is not a traitor. He is not a spy. He is a whistle blower who has told the public an important truth.

SHUBERT: Assange said WikiLeaks paid for Snowden's flights and legal counsel, but would not say where he is, only that he is, quote, "healthy, safe and in high spirits."


SHUBERT: Other details, Assange says that information in those four laptops has already been secured and even before his departure from Hong Kong was secured to the journalist, he leaked that information to, he also says Snowden has not been briefed by intelligence officials either in Hong Kong or upon his arrival in Moscow.

BOLDUAN: All right, Atika in London, thanks so much.

CUOMO: An immigration reform bill that could ride through a bipartisan wave through the Senate may also wash out in the House. The bill tightens border security and offers undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship.

Dana Bash joins us live from Capitol Hill.

Good morning, Chris.

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris. Well, two-thirds of the Senate voted yes. That does signal support for an immigration bill with beefed up border securities. Sponsors got 15 Republican senators to vote with all Democrats by sweetening the pot, doubling the number of border agents and a lot more with an underlying promise that no illegal immigrant will get on the path to citizenship until the border is secure.

But many Republicans, especially in the House where this is going to go next, they don't buy it. Republicans had voted for it because they said it was a promise of security. Listen to what he said.


REP. STEVE KING (R), IOWA: Republicans that voted for it because it's a promise of border security, it's barely a fig leaf after you examine it. Republicans on the House side are going to understand this: we don't want to grant a legalization in exchange for the promise of border security.


BASH: Now, Steve King is one of many Republicans who strongly disagree with GOP supporters who argue passing immigration reform is crucial for humanitarian, economic reasons, but also political reasons to bring Latino voters back to the GOP.

Chris, opponents say amnesty is amnesty and they warned those who support it should watch from challenges from within the GOP.

CUOMO: All right. Dana, this is going to be a situation we need compromise.


BOLDUAN: All right, thanks so much.

Joining me now to talk more about this is the Democratic leader of the House, Nancy Pelosi.

Madam Leader, thanks so much for coming in.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), MINORITY LEADER: Good morning and congratulations to you and Chris and Michaela for your show.

BOLDUAN: Yes, yes, a lot going on that's for sure. And a lot going on in the news today.

I want to talk to you about immigration, as Dana was just talking about. I mean, there was a big vote in the Senate, and in the Senate, they were able to deal with Republican concerns by really beefing up the border security element. But the question has not so much been the Senate, the question has always been, what can happen in the House?

So, do you think Speaker Boehner has the ability to bring along his majority, the Republicans, to pass immigration reform? PELOSI: Well, we have to pass a bill. The Senate has spoken in a way, again, a compromise bill that takes us down the path to citizenship, that protects our borders, which is our sovereign responsibility to do, which enables us to have protect our workers, expand our workforce.

But in the House, we have been working unbeknownst to most of the world, because it hasn't received all the press. Democrats and Republicans have been working together in the House of Representatives for a number of years on legislation that bears some similarity to what's going on in the Senate, had some other features to it.

That is a bill that has been presented to the Judiciary Committee. They have some ideas of their own, some legislation, hopefully, will emerge. I think it's important for the House to have its own bill, but I think there will be a lot of public pressure if we don't to take up the Senate bill.

I hope we could have a bill and go to conference and reconcile the differences between the two bills, but we will have a bill.

BOLDUAN: There's -- I mean, I have covered Congress for many years, and I've, obviously, spoken to you many times, but on these major kind of compromise pieces of legislation, there's often criticism that Speaker Boehner can't bring along his party, cannot corral his Republicans to stay in line to get the votes.

Do you think he can this time?

PELOSI: Well, let's be optimistic about it. The Senate has passed a very decisive way, the amendment which will enable the bill to pass, hopefully, in the same decisive way. The people have spoken.

One of the reasons this bill is a priority for the Republicans in Congress and especially in the Senate is because in the last election, Hispanic voters went 70 percent for President Obama. That sent an eloquent message to them that if they wanted to be relevant as they went down the road, they had to attract Hispanic voters, and not only Hispanic but other immigrant voters to our country.

So that's why this is important to them now, now they've had an epiphany on the subject, and that's why, hopefully, they'll urge the Senate, the House Democrats and the House Republicans, to work together to get a bill. I think -- I'm very proud of the work that the bipartisan, now it's a task force of seven, they don't call themselves a gang, of the work they have done.

And I'm optimistic. It takes time. Legislation is tough, but I hope that the speaker will allow a bill that can come to the floor that can get a majority of the House of Representatives.

BOLDUAN: All right. So a little optimism in terms of the immigration push.

I want to ask you about the NSA. This cat and mouse chase trying to find Edward Snowden, it has been pretty embarrassing for the Obama administration to this point. Do you think the president should and could have done more early on to try to stop him and get other countries to cooperate?

PELOSI: Well, we don't know what the situation is in Russia. They are saying he's in a certain zone at the airport and really hasn't entered Russia. I think that -- here's what I do think about this. I think what is important about it is what happened, and what happened was that somebody released all of this information.

And they gave an impression out there, and some on the right and even some on the left are saying, oh, this is the same old, same old in terms of surveillance of the American people, but what is important to note, that that is completely not true.

When President Bush -- during the Bush administration, the president had absolute presidential authority for all and any surveillance of the American people.

When we got the majority, we changed the laws to make sure that you had to have a FISA court, that there are certain requirements that had to be upheld in order to qualify for a FISA court decision. That there would be tremendous oversight from the Congress, inspector general report in a regular basis --

BOLDUAN: What do you do now with the crisis that we're facing right now?

PELOSI: But -- I mean, the point being is that we have a balance between liberty and security, and this president has been doing that. So, this reaction by some that, oh, he's a hero because he revealed this or that -- that's not a hero. He has broken the law.

And I think we have to look into the fact that so many consultants are working -- there's so many people working in the intelligence community, patriotic Americans, who take their oath of office seriously to protect and defend the American people.

I think it's really important to stay focused on when this person did this and people praised him and then he went and told China, this is what we've done as far as China's concerned, I don't know if it's true or not, what he has conveyed (ph).

BOLDUAN: It's also important to track him down, yes?

PELOSI: Well, it's very important to track him down, but I think the important thing is the American people to be disabused of the notion that the surveillance of the American people is the same that it used to be when they had a legitimate reason, in my view, to be concerned. Yes, it's important to track him. He'll be tracked down.

I think his judgment has been impaired all along, including his judgment to go to China and then go to Russia and now be talking about going other places. Why doesn't he, if he feels so strongly about what he believes, come home, face the music, make his case in court, where he will, of course, be prosecuted.

BOLDUAN: Let me ask you about the IRS. We're now learning it appears that the IRS may have targeted for extra screening liberal groups, not only conservative groups, for extra scrutiny. You previously have said any kind of extra scrutiny like that is wrong, though not illegal.

With this new information in light, what do you think should happen to the IRS?

PELOSI: Well, first of all, Chris made a very important point this morning, these groups are in some ways giving the appearance that their primary purpose is the common good, the common welfare, and when they are actively engaged in political activity, for which they shouldn't be getting a tax deduction. So, right or left, the IRS should be looking at them.

What I said was wrong that they shouldn't be targeting one side and not the other. But I think what we have to do is overturn Citizens United, overturn a system that allows these groups to hide their political activity behind a tax deduction.

If we don't reduce the role of money and politics, and this is a large amount of it, and they put it there because they don't have to be -- donors do not have to be reported. So, it's substantial, it's hidden, in some cases, it's not as substantial. But in all cases, it shouldn't be political activity getting a tax deduction.

So I completely --

BOLDUAN: You have to balance that good and the bad, right? Going too far and not going far enough.

PELOSI: Well, the primary purpose of the organization is supposed to be public good.


PELOSI: If it's engaged almost overwhelmingly in politics, they shouldn't have the deduction and shouldn't be able to hide their political contributions behind a tax deductible organization.

So the fact that they ask the question, are you targeting conservative groups and the question came back yes, you would have thought that the I.G. would have said not only --


PELOSI: Not target as if to say target, focus on one rather than the other, we're looking at all these groups that have appeared to have a political purpose beyond incidental to their public good.

BOLDUAN: Madam Leader, the control room is going to yell at me, but I do want to have fun at the end of the segment. There are many leaders and politicians in the past, when they dance, they make headlines.

In this episode, Nancy Pelosi making headlines, dancing, I hope we show the video. This is an event for Congressman John Dingell.

So, what's your headline here?

PELOSI: Mary Wilson, who is one of the Supremes. She said, for my third song, I'm going to call up Nancy Pelosi.

BOLDUAN: You said, oh, no.

PELOSI: I said, what? I'm not going up there alone. So, we have the secretary of HHS, Kathleen Sebelius, we have Wonder Woman, see Wonder Woman there?

BOLDUAN: I say, you have better dance moves than both previous presidents who get mocked for their dance moves.

Thank you so much for coming in. Great to see you, Democratic Leader.

PELOSI: Good morning. Congratulations on NEW DAY.

BOLDUAN: Thanks so much. Again, Democratic leader of the House, Nancy Pelosi joining us this morning.


CUOMO: You want to see our politicians dance? Only on NEW DAY is where they really dance.

All right. We're awaiting more testimony today in the second-degree murder trial of George Zimmerman. Four witnesses took the stand Monday after explosive opening statements on both sides.

George Howell is in Sanford, Florida.

George, let's start with what happened yesterday, because things started very strangely when the prosecutor swore in his opening remarks. Let's take a listen.


JOHN GUY, ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: Good morning. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) punks. These (EXPLETIVE DELETED), they always get away. Those were the words in that grown man's mouth.


CUOMO: Obviously, he's talking about what George Zimmerman reportedly said during this night in question.

So, George, what did you see down there, because the defense was not to be outdone, right?

GEORGE HOWELL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Chris, absolutely. Those were his first words to the jury. I mean, he said, thank you and got right into that. His style was jarring. It was very direct. In many ways, he set a theme and he painted a picture and you could see in the courtroom, you could see Tracy Martin and Sabrina Fulton, Trayvon Martin's parents, both visibly shaken by what they heard.

And for 30 minutes, he hammered away at George Zimmerman's account of what happened. Now, on the other side of the aisle, Chris, let's talk about Don West. Very different approach. He took some two hours to really take his time taking the jury, taking everyone from the start of this -- the events on February 26th to the end of events that day, but let's talk about how he started out with a knock-knock joke. Let's listen.


DON WEST, GERGE ZIMMERMAN'S ATTORNEY: Knock, knock. Who's there? George Zimmerman. George Zimmerman who? All right, good, you're on the jury. Nothing?


HOWELL: How that played out with jurors and everyone is anyone's guess, but, that's how he started out.

CUOMO: Joke didn't work, George, let's be objective and honest about it, but you know what, probably not the strategy. My question to you is this, what happened yesterday was the defense laid out an exhaustive detail, well over two hours, the facts, because they believe on the facts the prosecution cannot win this case.

The prosecution, obviously, disagrees, but had a much more emotional aspect to what they were doing. So, where does the strategy lead today, what do we expect?

HOWELL: Well, you know, Chris, we do expect them to wrap up a hearing, starting court earlier today at 8:30 a.m. Very quickly here deciding whether they will admit older 911 calls that George Zimmerman placed, admit that into this trial, then, the jury will be brought in at 9:00 a.m. We expect to hear from more witnesses, and Chris, you know, we'll be listening and looking to see if there are any more surprises.

CUOMO: Very important, because we have to decide in these hearings what the evidence will be to put before the juries. This is important (ph). We look forward to your reporting on it, George. Appreciate it.

HOWELL: Thank you.

BOLDUAN: All right. There is clearly a lot of news developing this hour, so let's get straight to Michaela for the latest.

PEREIRA: All right, guys. Good morning to you both. Good morning to you at home. The Taliban claiming responsibility for the attack on the presidential palace in Kabul. The interior ministry says the violence killed three guards. The attackers stormed an entry checkpoint, but Afghan police say the group was quickly overtaken and all of the attackers were killed. International forces hand over security operations to Afghans just a week ago. A terrifying home invasion caught on camera. Police in Millburn, New Jersey are now searching for a man who viciously beat a woman in front of her three-year-old daughter, the little girl there on the sofa. You can see the man punching and kicking the woman. He then pushed her down a flight of stairs before leaving with some jewelry. The woman miraculously only treated for a concussion.

Michael Jackson's eldest son, Prince, could soon be called to the stand today or tomorrow in the family's wrongful death lawsuit against concert promoter, AEG. He's expected to be the only one of Jackson's children to appear in court in person. Jackson's kids and their grandmother, Katherine, are suing AEG saying it was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray.

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in death -- Jackson's death which happened exactly four years ago today.

The Chicago Blackhawks are back home in the windy city after winning Lord Stanley's Cup. The Blackhawks scored two goals in the final two minutes of the game to stun the Bruins with a 3-2 win. The back-to- back scores came just seconds apart, 17, to be precise. It's the team second NHL championship in four seasons. Patrick Kane won the Conn Smythe trophy as the post-season's most valuable player.

A bizarre mystery happening in museum in Britany -- Britain, rather. What is making nearly 4,000-year-old Egyptian statue spin? Look at this time lapse footage captures the statue which is locked in the glass case, turning on its own, but how?

We put CNN's Erin McLaughlin on the case this morning. She joins us from London. Erin, what is happening here?


ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This really shouldn't be happening. This ancient Egyptian statue moving by itself while sealed inside a glass display case. Museum curators couldn't believe their own eyes, so they set up a camera and recorded for a week. Take a look at the time lapse footage. The statue rotates a full 360 degrees.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just a mystery. We really have genuinely no idea what's going on.

MCLAUGHLIN: Mysterious, but pretty harmless compared to the mummies in the 2001 adventure film "The Mummy Returns."

BRANDON FRAZER, ACTOR: Oh, I hate mummies.

MCLAUGHLIN: Those statues literally explode out of the walls of the British museum.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's certainly strange. You don't see that every day, do you?

MCLAUGHLIN: Are you disturbed by this? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Am I disturbed by this? Probably not as much as I should be.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's really intriguing.

MCLAUGHLIN: Are you freaked out by it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am freaked out by it.

MCLAUGHLIN: Maybe there's a physical explanation for what's going on, vibrations from the museum visitors with clunky feet or too much traffic on the roads outside.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is difficult to believe, because there are other statues on the shelf which aren't moving whatsoever.

MCLAUGHLIN: The statue dates back all the way to 1800 B.C. It was found inside a mummy's tomb and has been in the museum 80 years. It started spinning when it was moved to a new spot in the museum.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The statue has been moved. Now, it's in the new location. Does that mean that the spirit is angry? Who knows? It's quite a nice shelf. I don't see why he would be particularly angry.

MCLAUGHLIN: Erin McLaughlin, CNN, London.


PEREIRA: -- she declined to say, I mean, neglected to say, really, is that there's a simple explanation, ancient aliens.

BOLDUAN: Obviously, obviously, aliens.

CUOMO: I don't see why the thing is spinning around.

BOLDUAN: That was the point of the story.

CUOMO: I don't get it. What I'm saying like now --


CUOMO: -- by this story. I don't know why the statue is spinning around.


BOLDUAN: Who's in charge of him? Is this your guy?

CUOMO: You know, we don't know why the statue is spinning, so you know?

PEREIRA: That's the mystery.

CUOMO: How am I supposed to feel about that emotionally?

BOLDUAN: You're supposed to marinate on it. CUOMO: I don't like it. I'm in the business of demystifying.

BOLDUAN: We'll talk about it. We're going to send you to London because -- we're going to talk about it. Should we move on? We're going to move on.

CUOMO: I'm a little freaked out.


BOLDUAN: He's freaked out. We're moving on.

Next on NEW DAY, a Florida police officer in trouble this morning. What he's accused of making this woman do during a traffic stop, it's shocking.

CUOMO: And we told you about Jim Carrey's announcement sparking a new controversy after he said he won't support his new movie because of violence. The question back to him is, good move or are you being a hypocrite? We take a look at it when we come back.


BOLDUAN: Little Zac Brown Band, I like that.

PEREIRA: Good call. Very good call. Fresh music.

BOLDUAN: Jim Carrey getting mixed reaction this morning after pulling support from his own movie, "Kick Ass 2." The 51-year-old actor tweeted that he had a change of heart and can't condone the film's violence, especially after the Sandy Hook massacre back in September. CNNs Nischelle Turner has been looking into this and definitely had a lot of people talking, that's for sure.

NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we were talking about it yesterday. We just had a good discussion about it. It started the ball rolling, and it generated a lot of discussion that continued yesterday. One of the questions was, has Jim Carrey now shined a light on an all-too violent Hollywood movie landscape or is he stifling creative expression?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stars and Stripes reporting for duty.

TURNER (voice-over): "Kick Ass 2" finds itself in the crosshairs of public controversy. Film star, Jim Carrey says the movie is too violent, tweeting, "I did Kick Ass a month before Sandy Hook, and now, in all good conscience, I cannot support that level of violence. My apologies to others involved in the film. I am not ashamed of it, but recent events have caused a change in my heart."

Some critics are a bit confused by Carrey's turn around.

CHRISTOPHER JOHN FARLEY, WALL STREET JOURNAL: The whole thing is a little bit surprising, because the name of the movie is "Kick Ass." This is "Kick Ass 2" in case you didn't get the message from the first "Kick Ass." That's what the movie does, it kicks butt.

TURNER: Carrey was one of many Hollywood stars who came out against gun violence after the Sandy Hook massacre. Some called Hollywood hypocritical for making billions of dollars on movies with gratuitous gun fights. This summer's slate of blockbusters with the body count certainly seems to be more of the same, something Mark Millar (ph), the creator of "Kick Ass" defends.

He responds to Carrey on his blog, saying, "Our job as storytellers is to entertain and our tool box can't be sabotaged by curtailing the use of guns in an action movie." Publicist Marvet Britto says Carrey missed an opportunity to make a point about violence.

MARVET BRITTO, GLOBAL, PR & BRAND STRATEGIST: In this instance, he's called attention to the film by stepping away, but he didn't use the opportunity and the platform to educate an audience on why he stepped away and the importance of gun violence.


TURNER (on-camera): You know, another question that remains in all of this, Carrey has taken the stance, but is he still taking a salary? Some say it's one thing to not promote a movie, but, if you're still making money from it, are you really taking a stand?

Now, we asked Carrey's reps about this if he is, in fact, still taking a salary for the movie, haven't got an answer at news time, but I do think that's an important question here, because yes, it's a good moral stance to take by a lot of people's account, but if you're still benefiting, are you really doing it?

PEREIRA: Put your money where your wallet is.

BOLDUAN: There you go.


PEREIRA: -- your mouth where your wallet is.


BOLDUAN: All right. Let us know if you get that answer. Michelle, thanks so much. We want to hear your thoughts on this one, check us out on Twitter and Facebook or go to and let us know what you think.

CUOMO: All right. Favorite time of the morning. It's time for the good stuff. Every day, we feature stories about some of the good news out there, stories about people doing the right thing, so today's edition, no voice, just celebrated his first birthday. Isn't that beautiful? Here's why I see it's even more beautiful.

He's 19. Noah's father didn't recognize government authority and raised Noah completely off the grid, no birthday certificate, birthdays, school, nothing. As far as anyone could tell, Noah didn't exist. When Noah's family was kicked off their land for nonpayment of taxes, Noah was left in the wind. Good Samaritans come in, that's why it's the good stuff, took Noah in, slowly got him used to normal life, starting with documents to prove who he is. Noah is reading, studying, even driving. Take a listen.


NOAH BOYCE, BACK ON THE GRID: Exciting I can drive myself to work and drive myself to school. When I grow up, I want to be give back to the place because they helped me so much in reading. Don't give up. Because giving up ain't going to work. Just keep trying. Push forward. Because that's the best thing you can do.


CUOMO: And he has lived it. Noah's new friends even threw him a birthday party once they figured out which day it was.

PEREIRA: Imagine, imagine.

CUOMO: Stepping up, taking somebody in need, helping them. Of course it's a bizarre story. There's a story to the story that goes beyond the good stuff, but the point here is people stepped up, did the right thing. That's right. And now Noah has a new lease on life.

BOLDUAN: And look how far along he's coming, you know, after getting nothing.

PEREIRA: Happy birthday, Noah.

CUOMO: That's what we're talking about. Don't you love the good stuff? Tell us what's going on in your community. Tweet us, Facebook, #newday, or you go to go to That's our website. Let us know so we can keep the good stuff going.

BOLDUAN: Coming up next on NEW DAY, new questions after an officer asked this woman right here to shake out her bra during a routine traffic stop. What he says he was looking for and what is going on, next.

CUOMO: Check this out under the spinning museum category. Is this man really levitating? Part of what John Berman learned on the Internets. Must be related to the statue.