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Live Coverage of the George Zimmerman Trial

Aired June 28, 2013 - 09:00   ET

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CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: Oh you too have a fantastic weekend. Thanks to all of you.

NEWSROOM starts now.

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COSTELLO (voice-over): Showdown in Sanford. The bone chilling 911 call -- and the question was Trayvon Martin profiled?

DON WEST, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: What did he tell you that made you think it was a racial event?

RACHEL JEANTEL, TRAYVON MARTIN'S FRIEND: The person that was watching him like he was being stalked.

COSTELLO: This morning race returns front and center to some.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To this family, race is not a part of this process. Anybody who tries to inject race to it is wrong.

COSTELLO: The spotlight shining on a star witness. Is Rachel Jeantel as much on trial as Zimmerman?

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN'S FAMILY: Everyone in the world has been criticizing her testimony and her interview. The way she speaks, the way they thought she looked.

COSTELLO: The clash in the courtroom about to get underway. You're live in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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COSTELLO (on camera): Good morning. Thank you so much for being with me. I'm Carol Costello. We're starting NEWSROOM a few minutes early today because we want to bring you live testimony from key witnesses in the George Zimmerman murder trial. We'll hear from neighbors who overheard Martin's deadly struggle with that unarmed teenager, Trayvon Martin and the first responders who arrived on the scene.

So far the most critical and combative testimony has come from the prosecution's star witness. Rachel Jeantel was on the phone with her friend Trayvon Martin as the deadly fight with Zimmerman unfolded. She says her former neighbor -- she says the neighborhood watch captain threw the first punch. A claim that Zimmerman's defense attorney seized upon. Listen to this terse exchange. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DON WEST, ZIMMERMAN'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: So the last thing you heard was some kind of noise like something hitting somebody.

RACHEL JEANTEL, WITNESS: Trayvon got hit. Trayvon got hit.

WEST: You don't know that, do you?

JEANTEL: No, sir.

WEST: You don't know that Trayvon got hit. You don't know that Trayvon didn't at that moment take his fist and drive it into George Zimmerman's face.

JEANTEL: Please lower your voice.

WEST: Do you?

JEANTEL: No, sir.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: We'll go live to the courtroom when things begin to heat up again. We have a team of reporters and analysts breaking down all of today's testimony for you but let's begin our coverage in Sanford with CNN's George Howell. He's outside the courthouse.

GEORGE HOWELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Carol good morning. We're just a few minutes from court starting and let's talk about yesterday. Rachel Jeantel by all accounts many say she wasn't the perfect witness. She admitted to lying about not going to the funeral. She told jurors that certain words that many people believed to be racial slurs she didn't but when it came to this concept that it was her friend, Trayvon Martin, who started this fight, Jeantel fought back.

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HOWELL (voice over): Day four in the trial against George Zimmerman started as Rachel Jeantel take two. A key witness for the state who appeared Wednesday to be emotional one moment, combative the next. What a difference a day makes.

WEST: Are you OK this morning?

JEANTEL: Yes.

WEST: You seem so different than yesterday. Just checking. Did someone talk with you last night about your demeanor in court yesterday?

JEANTEL: No. I went to sleep.

HOWELL: A more subdued Jeantel endured more than three hours of meticulous questioning from defense attorney Don West who challenged the 19-year-old's account of what she heard when she was on the cell phone with Trayvon Martin a little more than a minute before the fatal shooting.

JEANTEL: Trayvon got hit.

WEST: You don't know that, do you?

JEANTEL: No, sir.

WEST: You don't know that Trayvon got hit?

JEANTEL: He could -- he had.

WEST: You don't know that Trayvon didn't at that moment take his fist and drive it into George Zimmerman's face.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please lower your voice.

WEST: Do you?

JEANTEL: No, sir.

HOWELL: But moments later when asked the same question during the grilling, the teen held firm to her account of who attacked who.

WEST: I thought in fact that you said that it could have been for all you know Trayvon Martin smashing George Zimmerman in the face is what you actually heard.

JEANTEL: What?

WEST: Yes. Just earlier today.

JEANTEL: By who?

WEST: By you.

JEANTEL: You ain't get that from me.

HOWELL: The next witness, Jenna Lauer, the woman whose the 911 call captured the exact moment Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. Defense attorney Mark O'Mara questioned her about who she thought was screaming on the tape.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you think he's yelling help?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is your --

MARK O'MARA, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Did it seem that they were the screams of somebody who was getting beat up?

JENNA LAUER, NEIGHBOR: They were being hurt somehow, yes.

O'MARA: Maybe somebody who was having this done to them?

LAUER: It's possible. HOWELL: The final testimony of the day came from a witness who says she heard the gunshot and saw two people on the ground. Selma Mora testified with the help of a Spanish translator that she remembered seeing the man on top wearing a red and black jacket. The same jacket George Zimmerman was wearing.

O'MARA: There was a person crouching down over another person?

SELMA MORA, NEIGHBOR: Correct.

O'MARA: Correct.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

HOWELL: We'll get back to the courtroom live here in Sanford, Florida. You can see there in the side that the attorneys are back in court. We do know that we could hear from several other witnesses today possibly more neighbors and even investigators, Carol, who can give us, you know, exactly what they saw, what they heard on February 26th, 2012.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: All right. George Howell reporting live from Sanford.

And as George intimated, today we are expected to hear from the neighbor known as flashlight man who took the first photos of George Zimmerman right after the shooting but made no 911 calls.

CNN's legal analyst Sunny Hostin live in Sanford, Florida, and with me here in Atlanta, Page Pate, a criminal defense attorney.

Welcome to both of you.

PAGE PATE, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Good morning.

COSTELLO: Good morning. OK. Let's start with you, Page. So they're going to talk to this name who went out to investigate what was going on. Nobody has really heard from him yet or only very little from him. He didn't call 911. But he had the flashlight and he confronted George Zimmerman that night. What do you expect him to say?

PATE: Well, I think this is a very important witness for the prosecution because I think this witness will come in as mostly an objective witness. Not with any particular bias. Not with any particular agenda. I think the jury will pay very careful attention to what this witness has to say.

COSTELLO: And that's important, Sunny, because you really want to know what the -- what George Zimmerman's demeanor was right after he shot Trayvon Martin.

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, I mean, I think all these witnesses that were just neighbors and lived in the community are very important because as Page said they don't have any dog in the fight. You know, they've given their unbiased testimony just based on their observations. So more of that is supposed to come this afternoon. And I do think that that will be important especially because some of them may corroborate what Rachel Jeantel said which was that she, you know, heard this sort of scuffle on wet grass. She heard some words being said. If any of these witnesses can corroborate the fact that there was this scuffle and that George Zimmerman was on top, or may have been the first aggressor, that's the kind of information that the prosecution is looking for.

COSTELLO: All right. So Sunny Hostin, Page Pate, you stand by. And we're going to come back to you once testimony begins.

Speaking of Rachel Jeantel, that is not one witness we will soon forget. Jeantel at times, at least in the popular culture. It was actually Rachel Jeantel who was on trial. People criticizing her attitude, her use of no, sir, her inarticulate phrases or struggle to read. And exchanges like this.

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WEST: Describing the person is what made you think it was racial?

JEANTEL: Yes.

WEST: And that's because he described him as a creepy ass cracker?

JEANTEL: Yes.

WEST: So it was racial but it was because Trayvon Martin put race in this?

JEANTEL: No.

WEST: You don't think that's a racial comment?

JEANTEL: No.

WEST: You don't think that creepy ass cracker is a racial comment?

JEANTEL: No.

WEST: Maybe if he decided to assault George Zimmerman he didn't want you to know about it.

JEANTEL: That's really retarded, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm sorry.

JEANTEL: That's really retarded to do that, sir. If you don't know the person.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSTELLO: In an article titled "What White People Don't Understand about Rachel Jeantel," a writer at the "Global Grind" says, quote, "If the five white jurors, excluding the one Latina, are like most white people I know, they all right unfortunately not going to like Rachel. They won't understand her especially not her defensive nature and this will unfortunately work against her."

With me to talk about that is Jason Johnson, professor of political science at Hiram College and chief political correspondent for Politics365.

And, Jason, you also wrote a CNN.com article about this.

And in New York, Michael Skolnik, editor in chief for the globalgrind.com.

Welcome to both of you.

JASON JOHNSON, PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE, HIRAM COLLEGE: Good morning.

MICHAEL SKOLNIK, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, GLOBALGRIND.COM: Thank you, Carol. Good morning.

COSTELLO: Good morning. So, Jason, let's begin with you. You titled your article on CNN.com "Rachel Jeantel is a Star." I'm not so sure that's a good thing.

JASON: No, it's not. And I think that the most critical thing that I pointed out is that the reactions to Rachel Jeantel has a lot to do with sort of cultural profiling. There were a lot of people who were saying, you know, she's strange and she's untrustworthy and she's unreliable. The moment she got on stage, before she even faced the cross-examination, a lot of those is because she is a plus sized, dark skinned, black woman who didn't sound all that educated.

And a lot of people will immediately assume that a woman like that isn't credible, and that's one of the problems that we have in society in general and it may be a problem for the prosecution in this case.

COSTELLO: So, Michael, according to the article on your Web site, you think that these five white jurors won't understand where she's coming from but I kind of have to disagree with you. I think they really can see that she's just from a different socioeconomic background perhaps and she's a teenager who talks in a way most adults don't understand.

SKOLNIK: Well, Rachel Steinman, who's my deputy editor, wrote that piece as an opinion piece. And I think it's an incredible, incredible piece about race and about -- the reaction to Rachel Jeantel by white people. But I actually think Rachel Jeantel on that second day of testimony was incredible. Asked if she connected with the jury, I think she connects with the American people because here was a young girl who was in the courtroom with the presence of the killer of her friend, and badgering by a guy who's trying to protect the killer of her friend.

And she held her own. She was consistent with her story. Yes, maybe she lied about going to the hospital and not going to the funeral, or lied to the parents about her age, but that was only to protect her own pain. She did not lie at all about the evidence in the case and she was consistent, she was incredible and I actually think she's going to be amazing for the prosecution. COSTELLO: All right. We're going to pause for a second, gentlemen, and we're going to go back to the court.

This is Greg McKinney. He works for Nationwide Security Company. Let's listen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me in English what all that stuff does. What do you do?

GREG MCKINNEY, SECURITY EXPERT: Well, we -- video CCTV is you have a monitor for security reasons. OK. What we do is we have cameras out there to monitor surveillance and then we have excess control which is like your card systems to get in the building.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now where is your company based?

MCKINNEY: Tampa, Florida.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's where you go to work?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does your company monitor video surveillance systems for places outside of Tampa, Florida?

MCKINNEY: Yes. We're nationwide.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does that include the Retreat Twin Lakes clubhouse community here in Sanford, Florida.

MCKINNEY: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: May I approach, your honor?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. McKinney, I'll show you what's marked as state's Exhibit 185 at this point in time. Were you -- as part of what you do is review and download video surveillance from these types of systems?

MCKINNEY: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you do that remotely?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me how that happens.

MCKINNEY: What we do is we connect over the Internet to the DVRs onsite then we go ahead and we can review cameras there and then we can download the video, too.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And were you asked to do that specifically as it relates to the incident recurring at the retreat of Twin Lakes, February 26th, 2012. MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. And if I could direct your attention up here, this is a portion of state's Exhibit 1 which is already in evidence. It's an aerial view of that clubhouse. Are you familiar with that layout?

MCKINNEY: Yes, I am.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. How many cameras does your company monitor at the retreat of twin Lakes Clubhouse?

MCKINNEY: Nine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Were there also cameras located at least physically at the front gate area of the complex?

MCKINNEY: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what did we learn about those at least as of February 26th, 2012?

MCKINNEY: They were not functioning because the -- it looks like a mower hit the cables.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Mr. McKinney, did you --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you --

MCKINNEY: I said the front gate cameras are not functioning because there was a -- it looked like a mower hit the PVC pipes that was being -- had the cables in there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As far as the videos from the clubhouse, were you able to download all of the known video surveillance from a period of time on that day?

MCKINNEY: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And so that would be for all nine cameras?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And is that what is depicted in state's exhibit 185?

MCKINNEY: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there are two disks associated with state's exhibit 185. What's the second disk?

MCKINNEY: One is labeled copy. The other one is video clip pulled from the original data.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The one that's labeled copy, is that the full original data? MCKINNEY: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. And then the other one is just clips from that same disk?

MCKINNEY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If there's no objection, I would move state's exhibit 185 into evidence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Approach for a moment, your honor.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, you may.

COSTELLO: All right. Let's go out to Sunny Hostin to ask her about this particular witness. Now there, what, were a number of security cameras around, Sunny Hostin. What do you know about this? Do they have video of that night?

HOSTIN: Yes. Apparently they do. And I've been waiting, waiting with bated breath for this particular evidence, Carol, because we knew that they did have some sort of surveillance video. It was released in discovery, or was handed over to the defense in discovery. I never got an opportunity to see it. Some of -- some of the discovery was redacted so the general public couldn't get it, media couldn't get it.

But imagine this, imagine what's on that video surveillance. I mean, if there is any indication of running of a pursuit, anything that corroborates what all of these witnesses have been talking about like Rachel Jeantel, like Jenna Laura, all the folks that did call and heard things. They were ear witnesses but now we could possibly have footage that shows and corroborates what they fought that they heard.

I can't begin to tell you how crucial this evidence could be for the state depending on what comes in.

COSTELLO: I'm just surprised because so much evidence came out about this case. So much was made public but not this?

HOSTIN: We did know. We did know. I did know that there was some sort of surveillance video footage but again although it was released to the defense in discovery, the defense clearly had it, we didn't necessarily get to see everything.

COSTELLO: Yes. And of course, Page Pate, we don't know the quality of the video because it was dark that night. OK. Testimony has started up again, Page. We'll listen.

All right. Obviously the defense is looking at something. So I'm going to go to you, defense attorney Page Pate. What are they doing, do you think?

PATE: Well, I've never had a criminal trial where there wasn't some sort of technical difficulty with playing evidence. So this is fairly common. You had asked earlier about the quality of the videotape. You know, we've had a lot of surveillance tapes introduced in trials that I have participated in and the quality is usually very poor. But what is critically important is it can often corroborate what a witness says. Was someone running? How did someone appear? Is it a large person? Is it a small person? What's the color of the jacket?

So I doubt we're going to see crystal clear evidence of what happened but maybe enough to corroborate some of the other witnesses.

COSTELLO: I'm just thinking about the way defense attorneys cross- examined Rachel Jeantel. It seemed as if they were trying to shake her story that there wasn't very much of, you know, Trayvon Martin running away. So might that give us a clue as to what's going to appear on this video?

PATE: It could. You know as Sunny mentioned, the defense team has seen this surveillance video, they know what's in it. So you would anticipate that the questions they ask the other witnesses would lead into their theory or at least, you know, introduce the other evidence and their take on that evidence. So yes, I'd expect so.

COSTELLO: All right. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to pray that the technical issues have been worked out. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COSTELLO: All right. Technical issues have been worked out.

Let's head back to Florida. On the stand right now is a man named Mark McKinney from United Security Alliance providing the security cameras in the neighborhood where this all went down. He's talking about those cameras now.

(BEGIN LIVE FEED)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is zoomed in on the clubhouse. I thought it was -- the original was state's exhibit 1.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Refer to it as 1-A.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just a blown up section.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. If it's a blown up section exhibit 1-A.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's what it is.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Your Honor.

Exterior cameras, is there one called the east pool hall camera?

GREG MCKINNEY, WITNESS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there also a west pool hall?

MCKINNEY: Of course.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that because there's a hall between the building and the pool?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is the east pool hall camera located outside of the building over in this vicinity?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And its direction of view would be this way?

MCKINNEY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. This little thing here, what is that?

MCKINNEY: That's the mailboxes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So the camera actually faces that direction?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This would be Twin Trees Lane?

MCKINNEY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The clips that you referenced from state's exhibit 185, Mr. McKinney, I'm going to first show you what we talked about as the kitchen video. Is this what we're talking about?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're looking out onto retreat view circle?

MCKINNEY: That's correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the time on it appears to be 18:50:33 but you need to eight 18 minutes to that.

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So it's actually 19:08:33 seconds thereabout?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Which is.

Mr. McKinney was that something we just saw go by that window? Something?

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would object -- improper foundation for any opinion evidence by this witness. He's here as a records custodian.

JUDGE: Sustained.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Mr. McKinney, the next view was the east pool hall camera. Is this the view from that camera?

MCKINNEY: Yes, it is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, mailbox kiosk would be out here?

MCKINNEY: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, Mr. McKinney. I'm going to back up and I want to publish this one more time from the beginning.

(END LIVE FEED)

COSTELLO: All right. This is going to be a long slog, isn't it? So, I'm going to -- I'm going to go to you, Sunny Hostin. They are establishing where these cameras are and what you can see through these eight cameras that are scatter around the neighborhood, right?

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes. I mean, again, this could be crucial. I mean, at this point, to my eye is this someone carrying a flashlight that's going past the mailboxes? What they're trying to do and we know that George Zimmerman had two flashlights on his person that night, what they're trying to do is sort of corroborate the eyewitness testimony, the ear witness testimony, and even refute George Zimmerman's testimony.

I mean, we know that George Zimmerman knew this area very well. He had made numerous phone calls to nonemergency numbers talking about what he believes was suspicious activity and giving his location to those operators. And so now, we're seeing where perhaps George Zimmerman was, where perhaps Trayvon Martin is. I think that this is going to be very important evidence if these videos really show something.

COSTELLO: OK. Let's listen to what the witness is saying again.

(BEGIN LIVE FEED)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good morning, sir.

MCKINNEY: Good morning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you working for this company back in February of 2012?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. When was it that you were actually -- did the work that you are now talking about distilling out this information onto a disk?

MCKINNEY: I did it the day afterwards. On 3/21, I was asked to get the record again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

Previous to this event happening, have you ever been to this area?

MCKINNEY: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know that's a pool because it looks a lot like one.

MCKINNEY: I've been there just yesterday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just recently?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When?

MCKINNEY: Last night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, that was at the request of the state?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To familiarize yourself with the area?

MCKINNEY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Before yesterday you had never been there?

MCKINNEY: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you familiarized where those cameras were?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And how - I'm sorry.

MCKINNEY: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are they identified at your remote location by a number or a location so you know where to look here?

MCKINNEY: They are identified by name -- east pool, west pool.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When was it you realized there was a malfunction with the timing mechanism?

MCKINNEY: The 28th, we had a service technician on site.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Twenty-eighth of?

MCKINNEY: Of February.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: February 2012?

MCKINNEY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any idea or any explanation how your system would be 18 minutes off?

MCKINNEY: That's just the nature of computers and clocks like that. They drift. >

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said approximately?

MCKINNEY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don't know exactly?

MCKINNEY: Not at this time, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could have been 19 minutes?

MCKINNEY: I would say within several seconds of 18 minutes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Eighteen minutes dead on or 18 minutes 30 seconds?

MCKINNEY: Yes, I would say within 15 or so either way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So total span of 30 seconds?

MCKINNEY: Yes. That's just a guess.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry?

MCKINNEY: I'm just guessing there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's not guess.

MCKINNEY: I don't know. That's the answer. I don't know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don't know how far off it is but somewhere around 18 minutes.

MCKINNEY: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could be 19? Could be 17?

MCKINNEY: Possibly. That would be a guess.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Since we started with guessing, it could be 17 minutes or 19 minutes, correct?

MCKINNEY: I don't know.

UNIDENTIFEID MALE: OK. And do you know if this was a concern that kept going like it would lose a second an hour, so it might be a lot more? Or was it a consistent or do you even know that?

MCKINNEY: I don't know how long it lost or the drift speed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, actually, it could have been several minutes more than that if there was just some malfunction that just happened and it was getting worse by the time you retrieved it two days later, it was 18 minutes but it could have been 25. It was just moving to the point of 18 when you caught it?

MCKINNEY: That would be speculation. I don't know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. You have nothing to support any other contention?

MCKINNEY: I just know at the time I checked it, it was 18 minutes off.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.

Thanks. Nothing further, your honor. Appreciate it.

JUDGE: Any redirect?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Thank you.

JUDGE: Mr. McKinney, you may be excused. Thank you, sir.

Call your next witness please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jon Good (ph).

COSTELLO: All right. They just excused Mr. McKinney because Page Pate told me it was just to establish the video cameras were there. And now, Mr. McKinney has been excused.

Page, we probably won't see the video at this time or maybe we will. This next witness is named John Good. I'm not quite sure of the significance of this witness. We'll wait until they introduce him.

But am I right with that, though, Page?

PATE: You're right.

Mr. McKinney was just a foundation witness they brought in to say this is the camera and angle and this is when I retrieved it. The judge wouldn't allow him to answer questions about his opinion about what was on the video.

COSTELLO: All right. Let's listen to this witness. Jon Good. I believe he's a neighbor, though.

(BEGIN LIVE FEED)

BERNIE DE LA RIONDA, PROSECUTOR: Good morning, sir. State your name for the record.

JONATHAN GOOD, WITNESS: Jonathan Good.

DE LA RIONDA: Your last name is spelled G-O-O-D, is that correct?

GOOD: Correct. DE LA RIONDA: OK. Are you married, sir?

GOOD: Yes.

DE LA RIONDA: How long have you been married?

GOOD: I get in trouble to saying this -- a little over a year.

DE LA RIONDA: OK. Do you have any kids?

GOOD: No.

DE LA RIONDA: What do you do for a living? What business are you in?

GOOD: I work if finance.

DE LA RIONDA: How long have you been in that line of work?

GOOD: Six years.

DE LA RIONDA: Can you briefly tell us about your educational background, sir.

GOOD: FSU graduate.

DE LA RIONDA: I'm not going to ask you for your current address but are you currently living in Seminole County, Florida?

GOOD: Yes.

DE LA RIONDA: I want to draw your attention to February of last year, February of 2012. Were you living at a townhouse at the townhouse at Twin Tree Lane, specifically the address being 1221 Twin Tree Lane?

GOOD: Yes.

DE LA RIONDA: And is that a town house that has bedrooms upstairs and then living quarters downstairs?

GOOD: Correct.

DE LA RIONDA: At that time in February of 2012 when you were living there, how long had you been living there about?

GOOD: Three or four years.

DE LA RIONDA: If you could, if you enter into your residence back in February of 2012 at Twin Tree Lakes Lane, when you come in, what do you enter into?

GOOD: It depends -- are you talking about the house?

DE LA RIONDA: I apologize, the house, yes, sir. I apologize.

GOOD: You come in right past the bathroom and then downstairs living quarters. DE LA RIONDA: OK. The stairs, where would they be located in that residence?

GOOD: When you make your way through the tile on the bathroom, you go right and stairs are on the right.

DE LA RIONDA: OK. Toward the back exterior of the house is there a living quarters, meaning like a living room or dining room combination?

GOOD: Yes.