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Granite Mountain Hotshots; Snowden: Final Destination Unknown; Egypt on Edge After Ultimatum; Zimmerman Trial Week Two
Aired July 2, 2013 - 08:00 ET
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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Fallen heroes. That deadly Arizona wildfire now growing as we learn more about the 19 men who lost their lives. We hear from one of their mothers this morning.
BOLDUAN: Back to the streets. Huge protests in Egypt. The military threatening to take over within 24 hours. America's key ally again on the brink. We take you there live.
MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Walk like a duck. The amazing and inspiring story of Buttercup. The duck now walking thanks to brand new technology and some really smart high school students.
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This is NEW DAY with Chris Cuomo, Kate Bolduan, and Michaela Pereira.
BOLDUAN: Good morning. And welcome back to NEW DAY, everyone. It is Tuesday, July 2nd, 8:00 in the East. I'm Kate Bolduan.
CUOMO: And I'm Chris Cuomo. We're here with always our favorite, Michaela Pereira.
Good to have you.
I messed a word there. But I won't miss this up. It's a crucial day in the George Zimmerman trial. Big question, is the prosecution helping or hurting its case by using that Zimmerman taped interview? We're going to break down the testimony and the tapes with HLN's Nancy Grace.
BOLDUAN: Then, extremes across the country. Record breaking heat in the west and tornados and flooding along the east coast. Is there any relief in sight? We'll have live reports coming up.
PEREIRA: And we are anxiously waiting the birth of the royal baby. Is the duchess going to have a prince or a princess? Believe it or not, there might actually be science behind the guessing game.
CUOMO: I like that.
BOLDUAN: Still a guessing game.
CUOMO: A lot of wives' tales, that's for sure. I know a whole ton of them. I'll tell you about it later.
But, first, we have developing information for you here. Firefighters battling the deadly Yarnell Fire in Arizona will soon get some help from the U.S. military. CNN has learned the Pentagon will send four specially equip C-130 firefighting aircraft to Arizona today. As a fire burns, a community there is in mourning.
A memorial was held Monday for 19 elite firefighters, the Granite Mountain Hot Shots.
CNN's Brian Todd is live in Prescott, Arizona, with more.
Good morning, Brian.
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris.
We know that the Yarnell Hill Fire this morning has burned about 8,400 acres, destroyed more than 200 structures, virtually no containment, but as you mentioned, they are getting some help later today in the form of four specially equipped C-130 aircraft from the U.S. Air Force. They are going to be brought from Colorado to Arizona later today. They can drop about 3,000 gallons of water or fire retardant in about five seconds. So, that's some badly needed help here on the mountain.
Meanwhile, as you mentioned, we are learning more about these fallen firefighters. They ranged in age from 21 to 43 years old and I spoke to the mother of Andrew Ashcraft. He's a 29-year-old firefighter who died. He leaves behind a wife and four children, the oldest of whom is only 6 years old.
I spoke to his mother, Deborah Pfingston.
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TODD: Tell me what you're most proud of.
DEBORAH PFINGSTON, MOTHER OF FALLEN FIREFIGHTER: That my son, Andrew sterling, my treasure, that's what I called him from the moment he was born. Loved his wife, was a good father to his four children and adored them. And he never gave me heartache. He'd come in and give me a big hug. When he was out, when he was a young single man and he was out traveling, he'd call me every few days. He was -- he loved his mom.
TODD: What is your feeling about the fact that he perished with those guys together?
PFINGSTON: It's an honor. Last night when I was praying, because I always would text Andrew when he was out on a fire, be strong, be wise, be safe.
And I said, "OK, God, I don't understand it, but thank you that he wasn't alone. Thank you that he was -- that they were together."
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TODD: The way Deborah Pfingston described that team of Hot Shots was that they are virtually the SEAL team six of firefighters, all elite firefighters. You have to try out for that unit. They are now tasked with replacing every member of the unit, except for one man who survived -- Kate.
BOLDUAN: Brian Todd, thank you.
Your heart breaks for that woman and all of those families.
Now, let's move to the latest on the NSA leaker case. Venezuela has emerged as a possible landing spot for Edward Snowden. The country's president with a strong show of support for the NSA leaker says the world needs to protect him. Snowden is said to have asked some 20 countries for political asylum but withdrew request for asylum in Russia.
CNN's Phil Black is following developments for us live in Moscow this morning. So, what's the latest, Phil?
PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Kate.
Twenty-one countries in total. That's how many Edward Snowden has asked to take him in and protect him. He has also released a statement. The first time we've heard from him since he fled Hong Kong, and in this statement, he strongly criticizes the United States and what he says are its efforts to stop other countries granting him asylum.
BLACK (voice-over): Edward Snowden still has no eminent or obvious option for escaping the Moscow airport he arrived at more than a week ago. In a statement, he says he is unbound in his convictions. The Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised and it should be.
Snowden with help from the group WikiLeaks has now formally asked 19 more countries for asylum, in addition to his early applications to Ecuador and Iceland.
He accuses the United States of using fear and political aggression to block those requests.
Now it is being reported after promising not to do so, the president has ordered his vice president "to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions."
Russia was among the countries Snowden asked to protect him, but he withdrew that after President Vladimir Putin said it's not possible as long as Snowden continues leaking secret U.S. information. Putin said if Snowden wishes to stay in Russia he must, quote, "stop his work aimed at harming our American partners."
The electronics surveillance capabilities Snowden has revealed to the world were first implemented during the administration of George W. Bush. President Bush told CNN's Robyn Curnow Snowden has compromised that program and the United States.
GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: You know, he damaged the country and the Obama administration will deal with it.
ROBYN CURNOW, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Do you think it's possible for one man to really damage the security of the nation?
BUSH: I think he damaged the security of the country.
BLACK: Of those 21 countries that Edward Snowden has applied for asylum in, you can already a line through six of them. That's how many said no. Most haven't responded, but he has received some pretty comforting and supportive words from the leaders of both Bolivia and Venezuela.
Back to you, Kate.
BOLDUAN: All right. We'll follow the latest. Phil Black, thank you so much.
CUOMO: Let's go now to Egypt, where the first democratically elected president has been put on notice. Millions of angry protesters are calling for Mohamed Morsi to step down today, and the nation's military has issued an ultimatum demanding he meet the people's demands by tomorrow or they will step in.
Reza Sayah says -- what's going on from Cairo? What do we know there?
REZA SAYAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Chris, suspension, anticipation cranking up here in Egypt. Is it possible that by tomorrow, this country is going to push the reset button on the 2011 revolution and start over again? It's not clear, but things are looking like they are heading that way.
Remember, two and a half years ago, Egypt kicked out the dictator Hosni Mubarak. In came, the Islamist president, Mohamed Morsi, freely and fairly elected, but the opposition, the moderates, the liberals say he has an Islamist agenda, he's hijacked the revolution, pushed everyone aside.
They want him out and it seems they are getting closer to getting that wish. Yesterday, the armed forces saying all sides, including the government, has 24 hours to fix things, resolve things. Otherwise they say they are going to come in, step in with a road map out of this conflict. Now, all sorts of pressure on President Morsi to see what he does before tomorrow.
Pressure coming from Washington, as well, Chris. President Obama calling Mr. Morsi last night with this message, President Morsi: try to resolve this, try to meet the needs of the people and the drama building, Chris, with these military choppers flying above Tahrir Square.
CUOMO: You can hear it. Reza Sayah, thank you very much for the reporting from there.
BOLDUAN: Yes, thanks so much, Reza.
Let's turn now to Christiane Amanpour, to talk more about the protests, as well as the NSA leak case.
Christiane, of course, host of CNNI's "AMANPOUR."
Christiane, there is a lot to get through on both of these topics. But first on the protests as you see it happening behind Reza, what do you make of this ultimatum? Very unusual.
CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR, CNN CHIEF INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I've been there from the beginning watching this unfold. I think this is a most extraordinary moment. What you have is, essentially, the army basically threatening to come in and make a coup.
And this, in case people don't remember, was something that was very, very unpopular with the people. After the revolution, the army was ruling for about a year before the elections, and then Morsi fired them and put them back into their barracks really. And now you have the situation, but he is incredibly isolated, his ministers are resigning, some six have resigned, and the people don't want the Islamist agenda they believe he has.
BOLDUAN: But this is the first democratically elected leader.
AMANPOUR: That's the big problem.
BOLDUAN: And they are going to kick him out.
AMANPOUR: That is -- well, let's see. That's what they are saying. It's extraordinary, because people seem to be calling for the army to come in. As you heard from Reza, President Obama has called Morsi, General Dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, has called his opposite number.
What's going to happen, if f the army takes over, then you're going to be faced with, what is the U.S. and Europe going to say about that? That you've now overthrown a democratically elected government. It's a very, very difficult situation to be in. But the opposition shows no sign of wanting to meet Morsi halfway.
CUOMO: You made some great points to me when I came to you to help me understand this situation. You said, one, the opposition's disorganized also. So, it's not like there's an easy alterative.
And then the concern is what this means for the surrounding region always, right? Explain to everybody what you were telling me about how the military is in constant contact with Israel, with other powers -- that wouldn't be such a foreign notion.
AMANPOUR: Well, exactly. Look, Egypt is a huge ally of the United States and of Israel. It's one of only two Arab nations which has got a peace deal with Israel.
So, what happens with Egypt matters to the whole region, to Israel, to the whole peace process, to the United States. But what seems to be going on now, this is the third time since the revolution that brought down Mubarak that brought down Mubarak, that there have been these huge protests.
One, the ones that brought Mubarak in January of 2011, then a year later, the ones against the army.
BOLDUAN: That's right.
AMANPOUR: And then, now, this one. So, it's really a seesaw back and forth, back and forth, and Morsi, what he's done, showed that he's, A, pretty incompetent. People really want the economy to be fixed and he hasn't been able to do it.
Plus, it looks like he's tacking on to his Muslim Brotherhood base. And the Muslim Brotherhood is not that popular as we can see in terms of governing. They're not very good at governing. They were very good as an opposition, but not good at governing.
BOLDUAN: The economy is the big problem in Egypt, that's for sure.
AMANPOUR: Yes, big problem.
BOLDUAN: I got to ask you about the latest on Edward Snowden, the NSA leaker. They've put out a list of some 20 countries he's asked for asylum, to get asylum from.
Venezuela giving a big of -- I don't know what to make of what Venezuela has done.
AMANPOUR: Well, basically I think the (INAUDIBLE) everybody is stepping back from Snowden. Where we thought originally that Russia wanted him, that Ecuador did, that Venezuela did, now you are seeing they don't.
What he's got now is pretty much nothing at the moment. He's stuck still in the transit area of the Moscow airport with President Putin saying the most extraordinary thing.
AMANPOUR: You can stay, but you can't hurt our partner America.
CUOMO: Somewhat good news. Putting Snowden to the side, after all the disrespect for American mojo to get a boost here, that people are respecting, good sign?
AMANPOUR: I think for President Obama and the administration, it's a good sign. What you've got in Europe, on the other hand, is a mounting anger at the revelations by Snowden.
CUOMO: Spying is such surprise?
AMANPOUR: Surprise -- well, maybe it's not, but the incredible detail of the massive dragnet, it's very unpopular in Europe, including with European leaders. The French president said he's going to break off key negotiations with the United States if this spying doesn't stop. So, it's a pretty mixed bag, all of this.
BOLDUAN: Mixed bag of it. Nonetheless, all very, very important with real, real consequences, depending how it turns out.
Christiane, great to see. Thank you so much.
AMANPOUR: Thank you. Good to be here.
BOLDUAN: You can see Christiane on CNNI's "AMANPOUR," host of CNNI's "AMANPOUR" -- great to see you always.
All right. We're going to turn from things heating up overseas, as well as things heating up here in the United States. Extreme weather from coast-to-coast.
Look at this flooding we're showing you right here, that soaked the Carolinas, all the way to New England, and you have extreme heat shattering records across the west. Dangerous triple-digit temperatures entering a fourth day and the heat now smothering a third of the country, from northern California, to New Mexico, and it's starting to spread.
Our Dan Simon is watching it all, with the tough assignment today, having to stick it out in the heat in Las Vegas.
Hey there, Dan.
DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Kate, good morning.
Just before sunrise here in Las Vegas, and take a look at this. It's already about 90 degrees. Just been unrelenting here in Las Vegas and throughout much of the West Coast.
SIMON (voice-over): All across the West, it was another day of oppressive heat. This is a so-called cooling station in Las Vegas, a place for people to get a break from the triple-digit temperatures.
The Salvation Army says 300 people a day are coming through its doors to escape the unrelenting weather.
ANDRE INGRAM, SALVATION ARMY: Not only do they get the cooling station and water that we put out, but they also can take showers if they need to in here for free, get as much water as they possibly can utilize in a day, where normally they walk around just looking for it.
SIMON: The causalities continue to mount. In Southern California, authorities announce that six runners who braved a half marathon had to be hospitalized for heat-related injuries. Relief comes in all forms.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I get a lot of customers just very happy to see me.
SIMON: In Sacramento, this air conditioner repairman has never been busier. In Phoenix, church groups distribute bottled water as quickly as possible.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Share that with some friends, OK?
SIMON: In Santa Cruz, cooler temperatures at the beach seem heavenly. And back in Las Vegas, children flock to an ice skating rink. What's also concerning is that places not normally known for sizzling temperatures are also feeling the effects. Utah, Wyoming, Oregon, Washington, and Idaho have sweltering heat.
ALAN KIRKPATRICK, TOURIST: I don't know if you've ever ironed your own shirts and the smell of the ironing board, that's what it smell like at poolside.
SIMON (on-camera): Well, it seems that everybody's got their own analogy, their own description to describe things. Here in Las Vegas, paramedics have responded to dozens of heat-related calls. And Chris,as always, it's the elderly and the young who are most at risk. We'll send it back to you.
CUOMO: Absolutely. Dan, thank you very much.
Now, while the west is dealing with this record heat, in the northeast, the problem is rain, flooding, specifically. New Jersey, rare thing, tornado did damage, topple trees, damaging homes. The same storm system also caused flooding in the northeast.
Let's bring in Indra Petersons. She's keeping an eye on all of this for us from the weather center. What do you see?
INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: More rain and more heat. Unfortunately, neither of which are good news. We keep talking about record breaking heat. I know people at this point are kind of getting used to it. The problem is the Fourth of July weekend is so close, and that's with the danger. A lot -- more people will be outside. They need to be drinking their fluids.
Today, yes, we're talking about Pacific Northwest, not used to seeing temperatures near 100 degrees. Salt Lake City today looking for 103. So, the big question on everyone's minds are, when are we going to see that relief? Well, the same high pressure bringing the heat. The position of that actually brings the relief. Starting now to see some of that monsoonal flow. So, that moisture eventually will bring that fire danger down.
On the East Coast, unfortunately, another ridge of high pressure. It's continue to bring in moisture, so the flood that remains high today, one to three inches. Ooh, definitely not. Two to four inches possible in the southeast. See, that would be really bad news if it was one to three feet.
BOLDUAN: At this point, though, I was almost not surprised.
PETERSONS: Seriously. Suddenly looks so much better, though, right?
BOLDUAN: There you go.
CUOMO: Interviewing NOAA.
BOLDUAN: Thank you so much, Indra.
All right. There is a lot of news developing at this very hour, of course, so let's get straight to Michaela for the latest.
PEREIRA: All right. Good morning to all of you at home making news. In Afghanistan, Taliban suicide attackers storm a compound that houses NATO suppliers in Kabul, detonating a truck bomb. An exchanging fire was secured (ph). It forces seven people were killed. All five attackers died.
Heading home, President Obama on his way back to Washington from Africa. Before departing Tanzania, Mr. Obama joined his predecessor, former president, George W. Bush for a wreath-laying ceremony to honor victims of the 1998 terrorist embassy bombing that killed dozens of people.
Look at this video. Less than a minute after taking off in Kazakhstan. An unmanned Russian proton rocket turning three sidelights swerves out of control, explodes in a massive fire ball. Russian officials say the accident was caused by a major engine failure. No one was hurt, thankfully. However, they have suspended launches for a few months now.
To Milwaukee where 6,000 pages of documents spanning eight decades show the Catholic Church shielded pedophile priests and protected church funds from lawsuits. Among the documents, letters and depositions from testimony from current cardinal and archbishop of New York, Timothy Dolan.
While he was Milwaukee's archbishop, he appealed to the Vatican to address the fallout from the scandal on a number of occasions. Dolan also asked the Vatican permission to transfer $57 million to a trust fund to protect it against court action.
A month after denying that she lip synced during the "American Idol" finale, singer Mariah Carey is in the midst of another lip sync controversy. Sunday night, Carey appeared on the BET Award singing her hit "Beautiful" alongside Miguel and rapper Young Jeezy. Too many fans, something seemed a little off.
And of course, you know, Twitter blew up with all sorts of commentary. Some accusing her of faking her performance.
CUOMO: Can she sing?
PEREIRA: She sure can.
BOLDUAN: She sang it somewhere. That's good enough for me.
CUOMO: Sometimes, just technical problems, sometimes, a bad acoustics in a situation, sometimes you're just wrong. You know? That's what I'm saying.
PEREIRA: I got you. OK.
CUOMO: She gets the nod. I'm a skeptical guy, but Mariah gets the nod. Phenomenal singer. No reason for her to hide from the microphone ever.
Coming up on NEW DAY, the jury has now heard George Zimmerman in his own words, but does that help or hurt his case? This was a huge call by the prosecution. We're going to break it down with HLN's Nancy Grace. She'll be here.
BOLDUAN: And it's almost royal baby time. Are there clues? Will the next royal baby be a royal baby boy or a royal baby girl? Apparently, there's some science behind it. We're going to take a look at that.
CUOMO: Welcome back to NEW DAY, everybody. Yesterday was a huge day in the George Zimmerman trial. The prosecution made its biggest strategy decision so far and that was to put on the taped interview George Zimmerman gave police the day after the incident. So what did it mean? Was it a good payoff for the prosecution? What happens next? To break it down, we have Nancy Grace coming to us from Atlanta, HLN's own and CNN's own Nancy Grace, thank you very much for joining us. So, let's get right to it. With how it played out yesterday, do you think the prosecution benefited by showing the interview?
NANCY GRACE, HOST, HLN'S "NANCY GRACE": Well, I think they benefited to this extent. If they had not shown the interview, the defense would have. And then the defense would have made a lot of hay about it in closing statements saying the prosecution tried to hide it from you. The statement itself, in my mind, benefited Zimmerman, the defense, because he was calm, he was collected.
He, at one point, showed dismay. He was upset with one of the officers when he learned that Trayvon Martin had, in fact, passed away. He stuck with the story. You're going to hear a lot about inconsistencies in his statement. I've looked at all of his statement, and he gave several without a lawyer. He didn't stop the questioning. He cooperated for hours and hours and hours. He even reenacted the whole thing. That's extremely rare. I think it helped the defense. But the state had to put it on.
CUOMO: If the defense introduced this tape, if the prosecution did not and the defense did, then the right of cross-examination would have kicked in and they would have to put Zimmerman on the stand, wouldn't they?
GRACE: Not if they introduced just a tape. If they -- you can't force anybody to get up on the stand in a criminal trial. You can't. They could have introduced it because it exists. It's out there. It doesn't really belong to anybody.
CUOMO: But then how do they cross-examine? How do they cross-examine it, though?
GRACE: You can't cross-examine the tape.
GRACE: You cannot cross-examine the tape. You put it up. You can cross-examine the witness that introduces it, the cop that builds the foundation for it. You can't say, OK, now, I played your taped statement, you got to take the stand, doesn't work like that.
CUOMO: They would have to use a cop. That's a key distinction. Thank you for that, Nancy.
Now, looking at what happened with the investigators yesterday, supposed to be the prosecution's witnesses, but they seemed to say things that made it seem that George Zimmerman didn't have the mental intent that you need for second-degree murder.
Now, a lot of people are pointing at this saying case is over, case is over, but tell people why the case is not over, that this is not just a second-degree murder trial.
GRACE: Number one, it ain't over until it's over. I have never tried a single case ever that I thought I had a slam dunk. Never did I think I was going to win. I went into it with a fight club mentality that I was going to stay into the ring until the end of ring, until the bitter end, and that's what you've got to do.
You never coast during a trial if you want to win as in everything in life. So, everybody claiming it's over, it's over, it's over. It ain't over until the jury walks back in after that buzzer rings that they've got a verdict.
CUOMO: You know, for people who are following at home thinking, boy, you know, Zimmerman seemed cool. Well, did he seem cool when he told police that Trayvon Martin was circling his car, but he never told the 911 operator that? When he describes being attacked by the bushes, but there are no bushes there, you know?
When he says that -- we know that he shot him through the heart, but this is a big question, George Zimmerman shoots Trayvon Martin through the heart, but Nancy, let me ask you this. if he shoots him through the heart and he says he was still talking to him afterwards, Martin was still talking, why didn't George Zimmerman try to help him? What's the answer to that question?
GRACE: I think -- I think Zimmerman did call for help, but it's interesting, Zimmerman called for help to restrain Trayvon Martin, to restrain him. According to Zimmerman, he didn't realize that Trayvon Martin was actually dying, but when you're pointing out all those, as you're calling them inconsistencies, I don't see them as inconsistencies as Zimmerman's statements.
I see them as points where the state can say he's lying. He kept saying that Trayvon Martin, who is very afraid of him, was running from him, then decided to circle back and jump out from behind the bushes and attack him. To me, that doesn't make any sense.
CUOMO: And at the perfect time for Zimmerman. When I was going back to my car to do what the 911 operator told me to do, I got attacked. Very convenient for him.
GRACE: Yes. And I'm saying, where are those bushes? I didn't see any. I looked at the scene quite often, but his statement, itself, has changed very little.
CUOMO: Nancy Grace, thank you very much for the insight, as always. It will be very interesting today. We believe that the investigator, Christopher Serino, will be put back on the stand, and my guess is, Nancy, that they're going to ask him.
Hey, remind us, yesterday, you were saying what a good guy he is, that he seemed great. You wanted him for manslaughter, though, right? You wanted him for manslaughter. Christopher Serino thought he should be brought up for manslaughter.
GRACE: Yes. That's a tricky thing right. That's a tricky thing when you start having police officers tell you what the law is.
CUOMO: Right. GRACE: Now a cop cannot -- no witness can get on the stand and say the answer to the ultimate question, is this murder one? Is this manslaughter?
GRACE: But they basically laid out a case where this cop believes it was manslaughter, not murder two.
CUOMO: All right, Nancy. Thank you very much. Trial far from over. You heard Nancy Grace say it. You can watch her weeknights at 8:00 p.m. eastern as always. The trial begins within minutes. We will bring it to you live -- Kate.
BOLDUAN: Chris, thanks so much.
Coming up next on NEW DAY, that's a whole lot of lettuce, folks. We'll tell you about what three friends found in their taco bell bag and what they did with it. Whole lot of burritos with that.
Also coming up, a great story, a duck given a new life, thanks to some pretty fancy technology. What an animal lover did to help his feathered friend.