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Pope Francis Prays For Refugees In Sicily; Egyptian Military Defense Use Of Force Outside Republican Guard Building; 17 Still Hospitalized After San Francisco Airport Crash; Dozens Feared Dead After Train Explodes In Quebec Town
Aired July 8, 2013 - 16:00 ET
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MAX FOSTER, HOST: Tonight bloodshed on the streets of Cairo. As supporters of deposed President Morsy clash with the military, we ask what's next for the future of a divided Egypt.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh my god! Oh, it's an accident.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, you're filming it too.
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FOSTER: New details emerge about the final moments of Flight 214, but what do they tell us about the cause.
And, how Andy Murray's millions could soar after he's crowned the new king of Centre Court?
ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World.
FOSTER: First tonight, the Muslim Brotherhood is calling on the world to intervene in Egypt saying it risks becoming a new Syria in the Arab world. It issued that statement after clashes outside the Republican Guard headquarters in Cairo killed 51 people today. The Brotherhood says soldiers fired on peaceful supporters of ousted President Mohamed Morsy.
But the military has a very different account saying its soldiers guarding the building came under attack.
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AHMED MOHAMMED ALI, EGYPTIAN ARMY SPOKESMAN (through translator): The Egyptian armed forces killed only its enemies, it will never kill its own children. And everything that has been said today, it comes within the framework of the lying and rumors (inaudible) psychological warfare that has been used against the armed forces today.
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FOSTER: Well, the military also released video that it says proves some pro-Morsy supporters were firing weapons. CNN International Correspondent Ben Wedeman joins us now with the details. Ben, just take us through this video?
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, this was video, Max, that was broadcast live on Egyptian television today. It claims to show several men hiding and then firing weapons from behind some cover during that action.
Now, we aren't at all surprised, because we've seen before that both sides are using weapons. The Muslim Brotherhood has weapons that they've used, for instance, in clashes outside of Cairo University last week. Also, there were clashes on the edges of Tahrir on Friday. And clearly, there are weapons out there. There's no question about it.
So there's no real dispute. But the fact that weapons may have been involved in this clash outside the Republican headquarters certainly that video that the army is sharing would seem to indicate that -- Max.
FOSTER: And we're going to be back with you in a moment, but CNN's Karl Penhaul arrived on the scene about an hour after the violence erupted. He witnessed frantic attempts to help the injured.
KARL PENHAUL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We're told there's a makeshift field hospital. And we're trying to get there now.
It's hard to tell what kind of injuries that person has. You can see pockmarks on his chest and face, possibly bird shot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is. Bird shot.
PENHAUL: What have you seen so far today?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We received many people injured after we prayed (inaudible) prayer. And most of them gas poisoning, inhalation of gas. And some of them injured by bullets, also some fractures...
PENHAUL: Difficult to tell what the scale of that man's injuries were, but his right leg heavily bandaged.
It's chaotic scenes right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (inaudible) supporting (inaudible) hospital here.
PENHAUL: You can see from the scenes here there are just not enough ambulances to take the injured to hospital. And so we've got private cars also ferrying away the wounded. But what the doctors have told me, that some of these people can't be taken to hospital at all, they're afraid that the military and police will arrest them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That the military (inaudible)...
PENHAUL: There are injured people over and there are dead here as well.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While people are praying, they shoot them. They shoot them during (inaudible). They shoot them by automatic guns, not by (inaudible) people.
PENHAUL: This volunteer is just showing me some bullet cases he says were found at the scene of the shooting. We just checked with our security adviser, these are (inaudible) short rounds. These are the kind of ammunition that can be used in an AK-47. We've so far have no word on the police or military of their version of events.
FOSTER: Incredible scenes to watch unfold.
Ben, would you describe things as different because of today, after today? How would you describe the atmosphere there?
WEDEMAN: Well, really this is the worst violence Cairo has seen since the fall of Hosni Mubarak in the beginning of 2011. This really ramps up tensions.
The army is on the defensive trying to explain how many people were killed this morning outside the Republican guard headquarters. And tomorrow, the supporters of the deposed Egyptian president Mohamed Morsy are calling for a large demonstration for what they call the martyrs. So tensions are not going down -- Max.
FOSTER: Ben, thank you.
Those are live pictures coming in to us, so it's as Ben saying, the tensions aren't dying down. The story continues and incredible scenes continue even now as we speak.
Let's remind you of the events that have led to the current political crisis in Egypt. On June 30, anti-Morsy protesters take to the streets calling for him to step down. The next day, the military says it will give Morsy and the opposition 48 hours to resolve their differences or else it will intervene. The next night, Mohamed Morsy delivers a televised speech and vows not to step down.
Hours after the speech, Egypt's military chief announces that Morsy has been deposed to be replaced by Adly Mansour.
Muslim Brotherhood leaders are arrested.
Two days later, Morsy supporters stage a Friday of Rejection, taking to the streets nationwide to demand his return. At least 30 people are killed in clashes between pro and anti-Morsy groups.
Let's get some perspective now on the crisis. We're joined by Ghada Talhami. She's a professor of politics at Lake Forest College in the U.S. state of Illinois. Her books include the Mobilization of Muslim Women in Egypt.
I asked Ben the question, if I could ask you as well, what's different after today in Egypt?
GHADA TALHAMI, PROFESSOR, LAKE FOREST COLLEGE: Well, I think that recent development indicates that the Muslim Brotherhood still has some power in the streets and perhaps some access to military arms which to reject the decision to remove Mr. Morsy.
But I also think we have to realize that the military's hands are tied, because under these conditions they should have declares martial law or declared a curfew in Egypt's major cities in Alexandria, Cairo, and Ismailia.
Clearly, the reason they're not doing that is because they're fearful of annoying United States congress, which would be very quick to declare this a military coup.
FOSTER: In terms of the political situation in Egypt, are we in a situation now where more extreme groups, or stronger, more extreme voices, really, have a greater say in the political process and almost the mainstream arguments have been sidelined? How would you describe the tapestry of political views in the political system?
TALHAMI: Well, the opposition are still not as united as one would hope for. And apparently the Salafi political party al Nour is still a major political party within the opposition, and perhaps within all of Egypt.
FOSTER: They've become stronger, haven't they, through this process?
TALHAMI: They are quite strong among the protesters. And that means the Islamist challenge to what Egyptians would like to return to, that is a secular system, is still there.
But I do think that the military are capable of being in control of the situation if as soon as possible we can have a consensus candidate that will assume the role of an interim prime minister. That doesn't seem to be happening right now, I think, because of the Salafist opposition.
But things are really developing very fast. So we will have to wait and see.
FOSTER: Developing very fast, running out of many people's control. And what you need is a stable system where you can have some consideration about the democracy, if there is going to be election who are you going to vote for? But at the moment it seems to be running from hour to hour as opposed to any sort of thoughtful process being put into this political atmosphere.
TALHAMI: Well, the first priority is the restoration of law and order, which is really what brought the military into the streets in the first place. We are beginning to see perhaps the outline of some kind of coordination, prior coordination between the military and between the opposition. And apparently Mr. Morsy's decision not to step down willingly has forced the hands of the military and made them step in, in order to prevent the deterioration of the situation in the streets.
I don't think there's any option now except to move very quickly towards an interim transitional government, a cabinet of some sorts, perhaps an inclusive cabinet that could involve some dissident members of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Everybody are anticipating that in this crisis the Muslim Brotherhood actually may splinter a little bit. We realized for a long time that younger members of the Brotherhood have been very unhappy with the traditional leadership and more than interested in participating in coalition, perhaps, with other members of the political scene.
FOSTER: If we just look at the situation that's there at the moment. You talk about regaining stability and that clearly is the priority, because they you can build from there. But it feels as if you're -- the country is almost at a tipping point. And if it continues into more violence, then the idea of democracy moves further away, an election moves further away, but you need stability first.
How concerned are you that it's going to get a lot worse before you can get any stability, i.e. the election is getting further and further away because of this?
TALHAMI: I'm not that concerned, because I do believe that the intervention of the military is temporary. I think we have to take them at their own word. And we have to understand that there are no other groups in Egypt, there's no other group that could actually step in and keep the situation under control.
So this violence will end sooner or later, and I anticipate perhaps there will be some kind of curfew, some kind of restriction of movement in the street.
The opposition are determined. We have, seen every indication, to move towards elections. So the military can't ignore that. And General al-Sisi has insisted all along that this is really temporary. He knows very well that he risks a cutoff of the United States' military aid in case he decides to prolong this military crisis.
FOSTER: Ghada Talhami, we thank you for your time. Thank you very much indeed for joining us.
You're watching Connect the World. Still to come tonight, remembering their friends. Chinese students come together in grief as new details emerge about the final moments before a fatal plane crash in San Francisco.
Then, on his first official visit outside Rome, the pope delivers a sobering message to the world.
And widening the search, dozens are feared dead after a deadly train crash. We're live in the Canadian town of Lac-Megantic with the very latest. All that and much more when Connect the World continues.
FOSTER: You're watching CNN. This is Connect the World with me, Max Foster, welcome back to you.
Now new details about the crash of Asians Airlines flight 214 in San Francisco, U.S. officials say the plane was landing at a much slower rate of speed than recommended and that the pilot in control was landing a 777 for the first time at San Francisco Airport, even though he was an experienced pilot.
One of the two teens who died after the crash may have been run over by a first responder's vehicle.
In China, students gathered to pray for the two friends who were heading to a summer camp hear Los Angeles.
Coming up, much more from China. And we'll talk to a former pilot about how this landing went so badly wrong.
Authorities in Canada are hoping to expand their search for around 40 people still missing after a train carrying crude oil exploded on the weekend. The 73 car train destroyed the downtown area of Lac-Megantic in Quebec on Saturday. At least five bodies have been recovered so far, but authorities have warned there will be many more deaths.
CNN's Paula Newton joins us live from the town with the very latest. And what's it even look like there, Paula?
PAULA NEWTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, from the pictures that we've seen, from people that we've talked to, I mean they're saying it basically acted like a crematorium for these poor victims. And right now, they are calling them victims even though they are officially listed as missing persons.
Max, this was a train with 72 tankers filled with crude oil barreling through this town, slamming into a major downtown area behind me. The fireball, the inferno, 36 hours. Temperatures, unbelievable temperatures in there. They're saying people were likely actually vaporized.
It's all be quiet a bit for this town to go through right now. They tell me they are a bit numb, a bit shocked from the whole ordeal. We still have hundreds of people who have been evacuated. They're waiting to get back into their homes. But in the meantime, Max, this search for these victims is going to be painstaking and take a long time behind me. They were trying to still water down the site just to try and cool down that temperature -- Max.
FOSTER: And in terms of the investigation, obviously early days, but what's the official word on what possibly might have caused this?
NEWTON: Well, it may be early days, but so many questions both in Canada and the United States. This was a train owned by an American company. It had come from the United States, headed back toward the United States. This kind of train traffic you're used to in Europe. It's the same thing we have here going across the borders.
The company saying that, look, the air brakes must have released. They were applied properly when the engineer went to bed for the evening. He was supposed to have parked the car -- those cars overnight before another crew took over. Somehow, it went barreling for kilometers, really. I mean, it is about 10 kilometers that this train picked up steam and came down and basically exploded right behind me.
The question is, with all of this crude oil now traveling on this continent. And it's gone up four of five, six times depending on who you speak to, do there need to be more safety standards in place? And Max, you know the prime minister here Stephen Harper not just hinting, really saying it out loud, we really need to find out why and how this happened to make sure it can't happen again -- Max.
FOSTER: You used that awful phrase. I know it's an unrealistic phrase, but some of the people, the bodies were vaporized. So, is -- in terms of the families who are having to deal with this, they may not have the bodies? I mean, will they be ever be traced?
NEWTON: A distinct possibility. And Max, that's why we're using the words that officials used with us. They are trying to prepare people in this town for the fact that they will not -- they may not likely have remains. They may, they may not. They have recovered five bodies already of the 40 people missing. If that does, indeed, end up being the number -- they don't know if there will be remains.
This is difficult for people to come to grips with here. There is no closure on this yet.
I spoke to one woman who lives right beside a track right now. Her brother-in-law is missing. His home is somewhere behind me in that mess. They do not believe that he in any way shape or form survived this. And yes, they're starting to slowly come to terms with the fact that they will not be able to bury their loved ones. And again, Max, painstaking, grim work behind me just trying to identified all the missing.
FOSTER: OK, Paula, thank you very much indeed.
A three story hotel has collapsed in southern India killing at least nine people and injuring 15 others. At least 19 people were pulled from the wreckage. And authorities say at least two are still thought to be trapped.
A senior police official said rescue operations were ongoing. The cause of the collapse is still unknown.
Pope Francis has condemned the global indifference to the plight of refugees on his first official visit outside Rome.
The pontiff traveled to the small Italian Island of Lampedusa, known as an entry point for illegal migrants trying to reach mainland Europe. Barbie Nadeau reports.
BARBIE NADEAU, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Pope Francis today visited the tiny island of Lampedusa off the coast of Sicily to pay tribute to the many migrants and refugees who have lost their lives trying to reach Europe from North Africa. He paused for a moment of prayer in front of the site of a 2011 shipwreck before throwing a wreath of flowers into the water.
Then he made his way to the court to meet 50 selected migrants -- men, women, children, both Christian and Muslim, to hear their stories about their journeys.
After that, he gave mass to 15,000 people in an open air sports center, standing in front of an altar made from the remnants of wrecked ships.
During his homily, he called for an end to what he called a global indifference to the plight of these migrants trying, as he said, with courage to search for a better life.
More than 4,500 migrant and refugees had reached Lampedusa since the beginning of 2013. In all, in the last 20 years, 200,000 people have come through this island. It's by many estimates, 20,000 people have lost their lives along the way.
This is Barbie Nadeau for CNN in Rome.
FOSTER: Live from London, this is Connect the World. Coming up, more information is emerging on the flight 214 crash. We'll update you later in the program.
And emerging from the brink, Greece is set to get its next bailout package. Details up next.
FOSTER: You're watching Connect the World, live from London. Welcome back. I'm Max Foster.
Greece looks set to get its next installment of bailout money. It managed to convince the troika that its economic reforms are on track.
The IMF, ECB and European Commission say they've reached a deal with Greece on a set of controversial cuts and reforms that paves the way for EuroZone finance ministers to approve the next bailout payment of around $10.4 billion.
The troika did warn that Greece was behind in some areas. And that the economic outlook was uncertain.
Now a lot of that bailout money will come from Germany.
But today, some more worrying news for the pay master of Europe. Exports in May fell the most since 2009. That on top of recent weak manufacturing data underlines just how much Germany is taking a hit from weaker demand in Europe.
So, if there was ever a good time to boost trade, it's now. And the European Union and the United States have kicked off talks aimed at creating the world's largest free trade zone. They are already each other's top trading partners. This deal, if it happens, will be massive covering half of all global economic output.
But there are some barriers. The talks come at a sensitive time for data privacy. Europe would like to see some leeway on airline restrictions. Right now, foreign airlines can't fly between U.S. cities. And they can't own more than 25 percent of a U.S. airline.
Farming is also a sticking point. While by the U.S. and Europe heavily subsidize their agriculture industries, they have very different approaches to growing food.
A little earlier, I spoke to my colleague Richard Quest. I began by asking him why these trade talks were so important.
RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: These are the two largest trading blocs in the world, the United States and the European Union. And not only will this be a huge benefit to the individual blocs concerned, but it will promote global growth. It will give a huge boost to the world economy. And that is why whoever you speak to involved in this - - the Europeans and the U.S. -- they both say this is significant and they need to get the job done.
But it's a huge job. The shear amount of talks that have to take place and the shear areas of the economy means this will be very difficult.
FOSTER: And what do you expect to be those really tricky sticking points.
QUEST: There will be the big -- there will be the sort of the public ones: the French cultural exception for the French art industry. They've always wanted that. They've got some hodgepodge in/out arrangement. It's not in the talks, but it might be in the future.
And then you've got the United States, which wants the financial services to be in, wants Wall Street to be in for opening up new markets, but doesn't want the Europeans to have any regulatory say over it. So they will be in there.
Then you've got the digital question. And before long the agriculture question.
There's one thing I know about trade talks, Max, once you start, everybody gets their nose in the trough and it's either because they want to protect something they've already got, or they want something that you're about to give away. I tell you, this is the biggest of them all. It's going to be fascinating to see how they get through it.
FOSTER: Richard Quest.
Now the latest world news headlines just ahead.
Plus, enjoying an historic achievement. Andy Murray is welcomed by the prime minister David Cameron after his Wimbledon win. More on British celebrations later.
Is this the greatest puppet ever made? Watch what it takes to create a puppet that makes you believe it's a living and breathing creature.
And what went wrong at the airport in San Francisco? Many questions over the flight 214 crash. We'll try to bring you some answers after the break.
FOSTER: This is Connect the World. The top stories this hour.
New deadly violence in Egypt, just throwing the country even deeper into crisis. 51 people were killed before dawn outside the Republican Guard headquarters in Cairo. The Muslim Brotherhood says soldiers fired on peaceful protesters of ousted President Mohamed Morsy. But the army denies that saying armed protesters attacked security forces and tried to storm the building.
U.S. investigators say a preliminary review of data shows that both engines on the Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 were operating when the plane crashed, but it does appear that the plane's landing speed was significantly below what's recommended. And we know that the pilot was making his first landing of a 777 at the San Francisco Airport.
Search efforts continue for as many as 40 people missing after a train carrying crude oil exploded in a Canadian town this weekend. At least five bodies have been recovered so far in the downtown area of Lac-Megantic in Quebec.
Pope Francis traveled by boat today to the Sicilian island of Lampedusa. There, he called for an end to indifference concerned the plight of refugees. The pontiff prayed for migrants and refugees who have drowned trying to reach the tiny island's shores.
Let's get the very latest now for you on the fatal plane crash at San Francisco Airport. Sara Sidner joins me now live.
Sara, you are getting new details over the day so what have you managed to discover so far?
SARA SIDNER, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We can tell you that here at the hospital they are still treating 17 people, and obviously, these are 17 of the crash victims that are in the worst shape, 6 of them in critical, that includes one child.
We can also tell you that doctors earlier today told us that at least two people have been paralyzed from this crash and they are dealing with many spinal and spinal cord injuries. So, that's the latest from the patients who are here at San Francisco General Hospital.
But many of the patients have been sent home, 34 of the 52 or 53 people that they have been treating here have been able to leave the hospital. So, that is some good news for you there.
One other thing we want to tell you about, and that is that just today we heard from San Francisco fire officials who talked about the fact that one of their vehicles ended up hitting or running over one of the victims of this crash as the victim was likely lying on the ground.
And so, we're trying to get more details on exactly how that might have happened. You remember, when you saw this plane, all of the dust that was kicked up, all of the smoke as the fire was happening, so there is a lot of information that is still trying to be assessed how something like that might happen.
The person run over was one of the two people who died in this accident, 16-year-old young lady who had come here to go to a summer camp, and she was from China.
We also were able to speak with one of the consulate members from China who came to this hospital today to pay their respects to those who were in this accident. They also told us that they are bringing the families here to San Francisco.
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WANG CHUAN, CHINESE CONSULATE SPOKESMAN: Very much saddened by the tragedy and so as we know, the two girls were very young teenagers and they, yes, they lost their lives at their best age, and we're really very saddened by this tragedy. But we're keeping very close contact with their families and we try our best to help their families to -- for the aftermath of this tragedy.
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SIDNER: Now, the coroner here in San Francisco is trying to determine whether that one student that we know was hit or run over by an emergency vehicle actually died from injuries from the crash or died from injuries from the vehicle that struck or ran over her. That is more information that we're expecting to hear about in the next couple of weeks.
Also, of course, the NTSB investigation is ongoing, and they've been releasing some more information, some of which is that it wasn't -- the plane coming in wasn't going at an abnormally steep descent. So, some of that information coming out now from the NTSB, but certainly this investigation is going to go on and on and on for weeks.
FOSTER: Sara, thank you. Well, meanwhile, there's been an outpouring of grief by friends and family of the two victims. The teenage girls were students from eastern China on their way to summer camp. CNN's David McKenzie traveled to their hometown of Jiangshan to witness a community brought together in mourning.
DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A vigil of loss. An accident thousands of miles away pulling them closer together.
MCKENZIE (on camera): They put out candles that say the date, 7-7, of this accident. This has really affected this town and especially the teenagers very deeply.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Online, the high school students of Jiangshan called out to each other to come.
CHAI PENGLEI, JIANGSHAN HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT (through translator): We hope we can send the two who died our wishes and that they will be in heavenly peace.
MCKENZIE: A way to express their grief and pain, too, she says. But for some, it's too much. Ye Mengyuan, 16. She enjoyed physics and English and loved music. Wang Linjia, also 16, always with a smile on her face, say her friends.
MCKENZIE (on camera): It was in this classroom that Wang was known as a natural leader. She studied hard and wanted to be a journalist. These two students had big hopes and dreams, but they were cut off so young.
MCKENZIE (voice-over): Mao Xiaoqiang says that for many on the trip, it was their first time out of China. For years, this elite school has been sending students to the US for the summer. So, when the news came, Mao thought it was a joke.
MAO XIAOQIANG, CRASH SURVIVOR'S FATHER (through translator): The second feeling was surprise, and then I was terrified. I immediately called my son, and luckily, I found he was OK. As a father, I feel very sad. I saw those girls when we were saying goodbye.
MCKENZIE: Now their classmates say goodbye, writing a final message in their lanterns to their tragically departed friends.
David McKenzie, CNN, Jiangshan.
FOSTER: I'm joined now by Alastair Rosenschein. He's an aviation consultant and former pilot. We're going to try to go through what happened here. It's early stages. Obviously, there's going to be a big investigation, isn't there? But this is the aircraft, as we understand it, in the position going into land at the airport. And it was going slowly, as we understand.
ALASTAIR ROSENSCHEIN, FORMER COMMERCIAL PILOT: Well, that's probably because of what happened prior to that. It's understood that they had a very high rate of descent earlier, suggesting they may have been well above the normal approach path, and so trying to regain it.
FOSTER: And something is being made of the fact that the nose is pointing up coming into land because they were trying to abort the landing.
ROSENSCHEIN: Well, on a normal approach, the nose of the aircraft will be -- will be raised by four or five degrees. But in the case of an aborted take off, you're going to raise it up quite significantly, towards 15 or 20 degrees applying full power. And that's presumably what they were doing at this point, from what we understand.
FOSTER: So, traveling slowly with the nose up -- was what happened next to the tail inevitable?
ROSENSCHEIN: Well, if you start an aborted takeoff very late, you're likely to contact the ground. I mean, we're talking very late here. And in this case here, it looks like the tail of the aircraft struck the seawall prior to the runway, shearing off the tail and the undercarriage legs as well.
FOSTER: And then you've lost control, right?
ROSENSCHEIN: Completely lost control. The pilots at this point will more or less be passengers in the aircraft. They still have a role to play coming up, but at this point in time, there's very little they can do.
FOSTER: And they can't -- the wings are still working. Is that why we're seeing it twist like this?
ROSENSCHEIN: The wings are still producing lift, yes. And if the aircraft was to be forced into a turn, one wing -- the wing that is traveling fast on the outside of the turn will produce more lift, causing the aircraft to pitch over, as it's done here.
FOSTER: And then it comes into the landing that it inevitably had. It's not on fire, and we've got a sense of what happened inside. So, what do you understand was going on with the passengers here?
ROSENSCHEIN: Well, at this point, when the aircraft comes to rest, the captain, if he's still able to, will make the emergency evacuation call. But in the case of a catastrophic accident such as this, the cabin crew will immediately start an evacuation.
Now, they've trained to evacuate the whole aircraft, everybody out, in 90 seconds. In this case, they probably were aware that there was a fire. Some of them would have, if the fire was, say, on the right-hand side of the aircraft, you'd see it through the windows. And that would get people to speed up somewhat. But we understand there were a number of injuries as well, which will slow the evacuation.
FOSTER: And this extraordinary story -- and we hear it time and time again -- about people in a situation like this going for their hand luggage. What --
ROSENSCHEIN: Why people react like that, I have no idea. But we know they do. We know that in accidents, you'll find pieces of hand luggage, broke bottles, et cetera, at the bottom of the slides. Obviously, getting things out is going to delay an evacuation. People will be blocked.
We know that people suffered post-crash injuries. In other words, they weren't able to get out of the aircraft in time and suffered further injuries, and it's outrageous.
FOSTER: But --
ROSENSCHEIN: But that's what happened.
FOSTER: -- at the same time, there wasn't an inferno inside, so they were able to do that, so they did have time to get out.
ROSENSCHEIN: Well --
FOSTER: That's the positive, almost, of that story.
ROSENSCHEIN: Well, there were probably half the passengers were injured. They're unlikely to be going for their hand baggage, but those who were not injured, especially at the front of the aircraft, may not have had such a heavy impact.
We know from other accidents that some passengers will experience a very heavy landing, as this was, a crash landing, and others nothing particularly remarkable. And remember, a lot of passengers can't even see out of the windows. They'll know something's gone horribly wrong, but they won't be so traumatized as others would have been.
FOSTER: OK. Alastair, thank you very much. We're going to get more details, obviously, as the investigation unfolds.
Coming up after this short break here on CONNECT THE WORLD, the privileges of success. Andy Murray visits 10 Downing Street after his historic Wimbledon victory. More on that in our sports update.
And a theater star famous around the world, but it's not an actor or an actress. Up next, watch how a global phenomenon came to life.
FOSTER: He's become a global sensation with more than 3.5 million people having watched him on stage to date. But he star of the international hit play "War Horse" is not an actor but a puppet. On this month's Art of Movement, Nick Glass meets the creators behind the play's lead character, Joey, and discovers just how a horse made of aluminum and wood can come to life.
NICK GLASS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Is Joey the star of "War Horse," the most accomplished puppet ever made for the stage? Most nights of the week, he springs into life, manned by three puppeteers, and we, the audience, suspend belief and accept him as a living, breathing creature.
On stage alone with Joey, I intuitively approached as I would a real horse, man and beast, two strangers meeting in an open field, feeling each other out. Joey is simply a wonder horse. He was only meant to have a six-week canter at London's National Theater. Six years later, he gallops on and on on stages around the world.
FINN CALDWELL, ASSOCIATE PUPPETRY DIRECTOR: One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. If he goes faster, it goes into a trot, which is a two rhythm: one, two, one, two, one, two. And if he speeds up even more, he goes into a faster four count, which is galloping.
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CALDWELL: And that's -- right there and hind.
GLASS (on camera): That's amazing.
CALDWELL: He is beautiful, isn't he? Again, six years, and I still get butterflies when I see that.
GLASS (voice-over): Joey was designed and made by a specialist puppet company in Cape Town, South Africa. They had already made hyena, chimpanzee, and giraffe puppets for their own productions. And just like the others, Joey had to be light and flexible. His spine is aluminum. The rest of him, cane, plywood, and fabric, along with a few pulleys and bike levers.
The big challenge was to make him realistic, to make him apparently think, react, and feel on stage. And to achieve that, micro movement, as they call it, was crucial.
BASIL JONES, HANDSPRING PUPPET COMPANY: The smallest twitch of the ear, the smallest twitch of the tail, little shudders of the skin. All those things are really important in making meaning.
So, one of the things we say to the puppeteers is be really careful about any odd movement, because the audience is hungry to read the movement all the time.
ADRIAN KOHLER, HANDSPRING PUPPET COMPANY: The watershed moment in the designing of the ears was discovering how to make 180 degree movement out of the ear, only controlled by this much finger movement that the puppeteer has.
And I think he reinvented an ancient old watch mechanism by mistake and found that it -- and she worked very nicely.
Three puppeteers each operate a different part of Joey: the head, the heart, and the hind. But crucially, they must somehow perform and move as one.
(SOUND OF HORSE HOOVES ON STAGE)
NICHOLAS HART, "THE HEAD": Yes, well, as soon as we get into the horse, we start to breathe together offstage before we come on stage.
MICHAEL TAIBI, "THE HEART": Sometimes, I know it sounds weird, but it feels like you kind of morph into the horse, like bands come out of your body go into the puppet, and you just -- you are one.
GLASS: Breathing was crucial to bringing Joey to life.
KOHLER: When I watched real horses, their lungs expand sideways, and I knew they wouldn't be very visible on the stage, so I cheated. The front manipulator of the horse can lower and raise the chest, and the audience absolutely buys it. They don't mind that it doesn't go sideways. As long as they can see it, it's fine.
Puppetry is handmade, puppetry is low tech. When we go to the cinema these days and you watch a very high-tech film, an element of surprise and magic that is missing, and I think that the puppet asks the audience to provide that.
FOSTER: Live from London, this is CONNECT THE WORLD. Coming up, the first thing Wimbledon champion Andy Murray thought of when he woke up this morning? Stay tuned to find out.
Showing a youthful perspective. Girls around the world tell their stories on a new CNN series. That's next after this break.
FOSTER: A Girl's World is a new CNN series giving normal teenage girls from around the world the opportunity to tell their stories in their own words. This week, we meet three girls from London, Hong Kong, and Pakistan who live very different lives but also share a lot in common.
LILIAN, 16, HONG KONG: Hello, my name is Lilian, I come from Hong Kong, and I am 16 years old now.
MISHI, 14, ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN (through translator): After I wake up, the first thing I do is pray. After that, I go to the washroom, after which I get ready for school, and then I have my breakfast -- Mamma gives me breakfast -- then I come to school.
LILY, 14, SURREY, ENGLAND: Hi, I'm Lily. I'm 14, and I live in Surrey. I was born here, lived here my whole life, and I very enjoy living here. It's really nice, it's really close to everywhere. I can get to London, I can get to Kingston, and it's quite small, so it's not very loud.
LILIAN (through translator): I've lived her for 15 years, and like many other girls in Hong Kong, I live in government housing. My apartment building is 38 stories high and I live on the 6th floor. I live there with my family, which is my grandma, grandpa, dad, mom, me, brother, and sister.
LILY: I'm in a family of five. I have two brothers, one older and one younger. My younger brother's autistic, so, it's kind of -- it's been good kind of going through that and I think we're probably close as a family because of that and because of all the stuff my parents have gone through. It's just -- he's really cool.
LILIAN (through translator): Usually after school, I would go to the convenience store near my home and hang out there for a while, read some magazines there or buy some snacks.
MISHI (through translator): I like singing a lot, and with that my uncle, whose passion is music, I learn to play the guitar from him. I really like singing and playing the guitar and although he has taught me, I am not very good at playing, but I do play and sing a little.
LILY: I love everything creative. I'm a bit obsessed with films and I love music and art, painting, drawing, inks, whatever I kind of feel like. And I love playing the bass, piano, and guitar.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go on. Nice job, Lil.
LILY: Thank you.
MISHI (through translator): It's good being a girl because girls are nice. They have different styles, they wear different clothes, they like to dress up, especially when going to weddings, they like to decide and choose their styles.
FOSTER: Well, we'll have much more to bring you from a Girl's World in the weeks ahead. In the next installment, we focus on education. Young women around the world tell us about their school. What are the ways they learn, and what would they change as well. It's all about the power they have to change the world.
Now, less than 24 hours after becoming the first British man to win Wimbledon in 77 years, Andy Murray visited Downing Street to meet the prime minister. Suited and booted, the champion was personally congratulated by David Cameron, who was on center court to watch the historic win.
It's been a huge year for Andy Murray. Olympic gold followed by US Open victory, and now, the biggest prize in tennis. The prime minister says he deserves a knighthood. So, that's probably coming.
Andy Murray has had a jam-packed day, but CNN's Amanda Davies managed to snatch a few minutes with the Wimbledon champ a little earlier.
AMANDA DAVIES, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Congratulations. What was your first thought when you woke up this morning?
ANDY MURRAY, 2013 WIMBLEDON CHAMPION: I was just happy it happened, really. That's the one worry you have before you go to bed, that you wake up and it's actually not true. But yes, I was just -- I was obviously very happy and relieved to have finally done it.
DAVIES: I don't know whether you've had a chance to see these papers this morning. When you see front page after front page after front page after -- with all these pictures, headlines.
DAVIES: How does that make you feel?
MURRAY: I think that's the one -- I mean, yesterday after the match, it kind of sunk in quite quickly that I'd won Wimbledon, but I think how big an event it was, I think that's going to take a few days to sink in.
Because I don't read any of the papers or watch TV or anything during the tournament, because of stuff like that, so I don't get ahead of myself or kind of get sidetracked. So I'll see a bit of it the next few days, but -- yes. It's obviously a big, big story.
DAVIES: Did you manage to enjoy the match yesterday?
MURRAY: You have to embrace the occasion, but it's not necessarily an enjoyment. You enjoy the winning and the outcome, or if you lose, you're incredibly disappointed, but when you're playing the match, you're just trying to embrace all the pressures and the emotions and the struggle that you're kind of going through out there. But it's not necessarily an enjoyment.
DAVIES: How does it compare to your US Open success?
MURRAY: It's different. The US Open -- after that, I mean, I'd literally -- I slept for like one hour in two days, and I wasn't tired at all. Whereas yesterday, when I finished the match, within 45 minutes, I was just absolutely shattered. I think yesterday took so much out of me.
DAVIES: What's changed between the final defeat last year and final success this year?
MURRAY: Last year was the toughest loss of my career. It's the first time as well that I responded well from a Grand Slam defeat, and the Olympics helped, but that period after the Wimbledon final and the Olympics was probably the most important part of my career, because it could have gone the other way. I could have not recovered from it and it could have been a struggle. But I worked hard and did let the team of people I have around me help me out a lot.
DAVIES: And just finally, what's the next target on the horizon?
MURRAY: Try and get myself ready to defend the US Open. It'll be the first time trying to defend a Grand Slam, so that'll be a new pressure for me and a new experience, and I look forward to it.
FOSTER: Andy Murray's Wimbledon victory could dramatically increase his earnings potential. Unsurprisingly, according to a sponsorship expert, Murray could double his off-court earnings to more than $20 million a year. The tennis champ's current sponsors include Adidas, racquet supplier Head, the Royal Bank of Scotland, and Swiss watchmaker Rado.
Murray has the potential to become the third-highest-paid British sportsman after David Beckham and boxer Lennox Lewis, although experts say that unlike Beckham, Murray is unlikely to sign multiple sponsorship deals.
"World Sport's" Pedro Pinto is with me in the studio. Obviously a great story for Britain, but is he going to come to dominate world tennis from here?
PEDRO PINTO, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Look, Andy Murray and Novak Djokovic, that is probably the rivalry of the present and the future in the tennis world.
Roger Federer is on the wrong side of 30. I'm still not going to say that he doesn't have another Grand Slam win in him, because he's just too talented for any one of us to say that.
Rafael Nadal is obviously still in the mix, but he's had a lot of injury issues. So, when it comes to Andy Murray, he's got the potential, like he always had, he has the skill, and now he's got the mental toughness as well. He's got the ability to come through when a lot of the times, he didn't.
He lost his first four Grand Slam finals. He's now won two of the last three, and I think his coach, Ivan Lendl, is a big reason for that. So, to answer your question, I think yes, he's a force to be reckoned with in tennis.
FOSTER: And give us a moment, as Brits, and tell us great we are on this day.
PINTO: Well, you know what? The last year has been unbelievable for Great Britain, and I think the Olympics was really --
FOSTER: From nowhere.
PINTO: I would say --
FOSTER: We nearly get there, and then, this year, we seem to have nailed it.
PINTO: I wouldn't say it's from nowhere. I think a lot of money has been pumped into sports over the last three, four, five years in the run-up to the Olympics. But if you have a look at the last 12 months, it's been spectacular.
I mean, you talk about what Britain did at the Olympics, but even this summer, you had Justin Rose winning the US Open in golf, you had the British and Irish Lions clinching the series win in Australia as well, and with a convincing 41 to 16 in the third and final test. And now, you've got Andy Murray.
I was speaking with our colleague, Amanda Davies, earlier, and she interviewed Murray, obviously, like we saw, and she was saying that there's a lot of jokes going around because none of the people really associated with the success right now are English, because the rugby team players are mostly Welsh, and Murray is Scottish as well. But look, I think you're all British, right?
PINTO: So just -- just celebrate this together.
FOSTER: You're smiling. You're smirking as you say that.
PINTO: Well, no --
FOSTER: So, it means --
PINTO: -- because look, if it -- Portugal never wins anything, so for me, it didn't matter if they would come from the north, south, east, or west of Portugal or if it's from a small island that we suddenly claim tomorrow.
FOSTER: Just briefly -- you were there, right?
PINTO: I'd be happy about that. Yes.
FOSTER: I mean, it's always great when you're in a country where the -- someone from that country wins a major tournament. So, what was it like?
PINTO: Unbelievable. I've covered Wimbledon for many years, and the story's always the same. Is it going to be this year? Is the -- since 1936, since 1936 -- you know how it is, when you do live shots constantly, and there's a good stat, you repeat it all the time. Well you know what? Next year, now, there won't be that stat to give out, because Andy Murray - -
PINTO: -- is a champion.
FOSTER: Murray Monday. Thank you, Pedro.
PINTO: Why not?
FOSTER: Tonight's Parting Shots, run for your lives. Thousands of brave -- or some would say mad -- people have flocked to Pamplona for the Running of the Bulls.
The annual centuries-old festival kicked off on Sunday with the Spanish city -- in the Spanish city, but even though it looks terrifying, injuries aren't actually that common. Yesterday on the first day of this year's run, only four people were treated.
PINTO: That's because it's a little-known fact that Spanish people are actually made of leather.
PINTO: There's that, so --
FOSTER: That's Pedro's exclusive.
FOSTER: Thank you for watching. That was CONNECT THE WORLD.