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Defense Case Continues; NTSB Investigating Asiana Crash; Alaska Air Taxi Crash Kills 10; Chaos And Bloodshed In Cairo; Baby Goat Love Pile; Nigella Lawson Divorce Drama; Seth Meyers Engaged; Prince Harry in Command; Lance Armstrong Tour De Iowa; "Lone Ranger" Bombs At Box Office
Aired July 8, 2013 - 07:30 ET
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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: You should never put clothes in a bag. Doesn't this guy work for the state? He's supposed to be their witness. How much do you think he hurt the prosecutor's case?
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: You know, I don't think he hurt the prosecution's case that much, but, wow, he was such a loose cannon, he was such a wild card. I was in the courtroom watching him, thinking he's a prosecutor's worst nightmare. He's sort of that runaway witness. You don't get to pick which medical examiner conducts the autopsy on the victim in a murder case, right?
You don't get to pick that person as a prosecutor. If you did, you'd pick the best of the best. He had been qualified as an expert about 20 times, but he made so many rookie mistakes like making notes that he'd show no one, changing his expert opinion right before trial, a week before trial. There were so many of these rookie mistakes that were made.
I'm sure that the prosecutor was shocked. We were all shocked. But I didn't get that sense from the jury because, remember, this is their first murder trial that they're sitting as a jury on.
CUOMO: That's true.
HOSTIN: So they didn't seem to realize how crazy it appeared to all of us.
CUOMO: And he did leave it open as to whether or not the gun could have been pressed or could have been far away. So it leaves doubt in terms of this idea, Danny, that, George Zimmerman was just reaching for his gun. There was no intentionality, wasn't pushed up against it. Last question to you, what does the defense need to prove to make this self-defense case make sense to the jury? What do they have to get done this week?
DANNY CEVALLOS, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, they have to back up the effects that they've already articulated. In several different iterations, either in phone calls or interviews that Zimmerman has given. As far as witnesses, we can expect a couple of experts to shore up or counter the expert testimony on the prosecution side. I don't expect a very long case. The prosecution has the burden not only as to the crime itself, but they must disprove his self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt.
CUOMO: One word answer from each of you to this question. Danny, at this point, do you think George Zimmerman takes the stand?
CEVALLOS: Can I say two, probably not.
CUOMO: That's a little bit of a hedge, but I'll give it to you because you're good looking. Sunny?
CUOMO: See, she's better look. That's why her answer was shorter, Danny. Danny Cevallos, thank you very much. Sunny Hostin, appreciate it as always. Thank you very much. All right, so you've heard the experts. Where that does leave us? I'll tell you why I'm going to do this. It's going to be a little surprise. You think it's going to be the defense. I'm going with the prosecution.
Here's why from what we heard from the experts and what we understand of the trial. This is a tough set of facts for George Zimmerman to defend. That's why his defense is making an affirmative case of self- defense. Remember they don't have to. The burden in our system is on the prosecution, guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Basically that means from prosecutors no other story makes as good as sense as ours. George Zimmerman is saying, yes, my story does that it was self-defense. Right now, very tough set of facts, remember that jury was watching the mother cry about her dead son. It's a difficult thing to overcome -- Kate.
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Chris, thanks so much.
Coming up next on NEW DAY, we're following the latest on the deadly plane crash in San Francisco. Could the pilot's experience flying the 777 have played a role in the disaster? That's one of many questions. We've got a lot to talk about with the chair of the board investigating this crash coming up next.
Also, a celebrity chef's husband is calling it quits, telling her through a newspaper. Why Nigella Lawson's marriage is now over.
BOLDUAN: Welcome back, everybody. It's a NEW DAY. It is Monday, July 8th. Welcome back. I'm Kate Bolduan.
CUOMO: And I'm Chris Cuomo, joined as always by our news anchor and friend, Michaela Pereira.
BOLDUAN: We've got a lot going on today. First, brand new details in the Asiana Airline's plane crash, the airline is saying the pilot who is making his first landing with a Boeing 777 at San Francisco International Airport. You're taking a look right now at newly released video from the NTSB that shows the damage inside the plane as well as investigators combing through the wreckage. Just look at that debris field. We also have new exclusive video to CNN that shows just how that landing, that crash all went down and also the blaze that followed.
Joining me to talk about this all and the very critical investigation under way is Deborah Hersman, the chair of the National Transportation Safety Board, heading this investigation. Thank you so much for joining me this morning.
DEBORAH HERSMAN, CHAIRWOMAN, NTSB: Good morning.
BOLDUAN: Good morning. So you see in some of that video we had exclusively to CNN just how the plane made that landing. Yesterday, you said that you had not yet pinpointed the focus of your investigation. Have you narrowed it down yet this morning?
HERSMAN: Well, I'll tell you, from the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder, we did get some very good information about tell us about the last seconds in the cockpit. We know that 7 seconds before impact the crew acknowledged in the cockpit to each other that they were slow. They had a target air speed of 137 knots, and they're acknowledging that they're below that.
At 4 seconds they got a stick shaker activation, basically telling them the airplane was about to stall if they didn't take other action. And about 1.5 seconds before impact, they are calling out to each other for a go around, to abort the landing and go around. That information is very helpful to us as we try to piece together what happened in those last seconds.
BOLDUAN: And, of course, not only what happened, but also why did it happen? Have you been able to narrow down if it was human error or it was some kind of mechanical error that you're narrowing your investigation to this morning?
HERSMAN: Most of our investigations, we find that it's not just one thing. It really is a combination of factors that lead to an accident. If you eliminate any one of those, you can break that chain. What we find in our investigations is it's usually more complex. And so we're certainly looking at the crew, at how they operated, how they were trained, at their experience. We're also looking at the aircraft. We're looking to see if the crew was using automation or was flying on autopilot or they were hand flying the airplane. There are a lot of things we need to take a look at and information we need to corroborate.
BOLDUAN: You know, there are a lot of people up wondering, asking questions this morning, as we learned last night that the pilot handling the controls had been flying less than 45 hours of flying time in that type of aircraft. Does that make a difference here in your investigation? What does that tell you as the lead investigator?
HERSMAN: You know, in many of the things that we look at in our investigations, these are data points. It's telling us how much experience the crew has in type, but also we want to look at overall experience. We want to look at their upgrade training, the types of aircraft that they've flown before. It's not unusual for crew to change aircraft types. This happens frequently, and some pilots fly multiple aircraft types. It's also not unusual for a pilot to come into an airport for the first time. They fly all around the world. But you have two pilots in that cockpit. You want to make sure that working together, that that pairing is effective, and that they're communicating and coordinating their actions effectively. We want to take a look at all of those factors.
BOLDUAN: Do you see anything at this point that points to the fact that these pilots were not communicating well, that they were not -- that pairing was not working well on this landing?
HERSMAN: No, but I will tell you in many of our investigations in the past, we have identified issues with -- as we see in this accident, stabilized approaches coming in safely. Approach and landing is a very risky phase of flight, and we want to make sure that pilots are prepared for it, that they are on approach, that they're on path to get to the airport, and that they're working together effectively in this very high risk environment.
BOLDUAN: One thing that we have heard, you've determined that the plane, we've heard this over and over again, was flying too low and too slow. You said the plane was at significantly lower, below the 137 knots that had been agreed upon for this landing. What is significantly lower? We're speaking in layman's terms obviously, but it's clearly critical to finding out why this happened.
HERSMAN: It is. It's important to understand why this happened. We know they were below 137 knots, and like I said yesterday in my press conference, we're not talking about a few knots here or there. We're actually talking about significantly below 137, but what we need to do now is really refine that raw data on the flight data recorder and corroborate it with the radar track data from air traffic control to get a good accurate speed. So that's important to us.
I will tell you, when we look at these approach and landing accidents, monitoring is critical. Making sure that your aircraft maintains its speed. As you're coming in, you're coming into an airport and you're slow. They had the engines at idle. They put the flaps down. They're going really slow. They're coming in to land. You've got to make sure you're on speed.
BOLDUAN: Deborah Hersman, Chair of the National Transportation Safety Board. You are, unfortunately, tasked with a huge investigation before you, as you often are faced with in these very terrifying accidents. The only thing we can say is it's pretty amazing, and I'm sure you agree, that so many people were able to walk off this plane.
HERSMAN: Absolutely. We are so thankful for the survivors and that we didn't have more fatalities and serious injuries. When you look at that aircraft, you just -- you really recognize how bad it could have been. For everyone out there, make sure you listen to the safety briefings and those flight attendants and you know how you're going to get out if you're in an emergency.
BOLDUAN: Deborah Hersman, thank you so much. Thank you for your time. A lot going on, she's got a big job ahead of her.
CUOMO: They have to do it right. It doesn't make sense the speed was decreased. They have to figure out why so that they can make it better going forward.
BOLDUAN: You can hear she's being very careful saying they're not pinpointing, not saying one person, one thing was behind this. May be multiple factors they're looking into. A lot of news happening right now, so let's get straight to Michaela for more headlines.
PEREIRA: Unfortunately, we begin with another aviation tragedy. A team of investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board is now headed to Alaska to investigate another plane crash. They're going to try to determine the cause of a small plane crash that killed ten people southwest of Anchorage. The air taxi was fully engulfed in flames by the time emergency crews arrived at the scene. It's not clear whether it was trying to take off or land when it crashed.
Chaos overnight in Cairo, at least 42 people killed, more than 320 others injured after witnesses say the Egyptian military fired on supporters of ousted President Mohamed Morsy. A spokesman for Morsy's party, the Muslim Brotherhood is calling the shootings a horrible crime.
Congress returns from recess to a full plate today, immigration, doubling student loan rates, judicial nominations. On the immigration front, the path to citizenship is a pillar of the Senate version of the immigration bill, but it's a deal breaker for many House Republicans. They will hold a special close door meeting Wednesday to discuss how to handle that issue.
Are you ready? Are you ready for your daily dose of cuteness? Here we go. This woman started petting one baby goat when they all said, I want in on this. The folks who posted the video online call it a soft baby goat love pile, rolls off the tongue. The woman underneath all that love not only laughing hysterically, she was also trying to convince one of the little ones that her hair was not hay and to stop nibbling on it and leave it attached to her head.
BOLDUAN: How many times do I have to tell you guys? My hair is not food.
PEREIRA: It's like the ones that climbs the mountain.
CUOMO: That was a vicious attack. My sympathies go out to the family. The goats should all be held accountable.
PEREIRA: They will. They'll be scratched behind the ear.
CUOMO: Before they could come after me. That's my foot. My foot's going.
Coming up on NEW DAY, we have more about the crash. We have more about the Zimmerman trial, and this. Celebrity chef, Nigella Lawson's husband says he's divorcing her in a newspaper, this after the disturbing photos of his hands around her neck. Why is he so miffed?
CUOMO: Welcome back to NEW DAY, everybody. The husband of celebrity chef, Nigella Lawson, says their marriage is over. Charles Saatchi told the British paper that he's filing for divorce. This comes after those disturbing photos surfaced last month with his hands around his the neck of his wife at a London restaurant. CNN's Erin McLaughlin has more. Erin, good morning.
ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Nigella grabbed my neck as well. It's a startling headline splashed across the British tabloid, "The Mail" on Sunday, multimillionaire marketing mogul Charles Saatchi's announcement to the world that he's divorcing his wife, celebrity chef, Nigella Lawson.
NEIL SCAN, ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER: I think what he is trying to do is the worst type of backlash PR if you like. You know, he's made so many mistakes along this way.
MCLAUGHLIN: Mistakes that began three weeks ago outside this trendy London restaurant. Paparazzi photos show Saatchi's hands around Nigella's neck. Unflattering headlines soon followed, like choke attack and boiling point. Nigella moved out of the family home. Saatchi was cautioned by police. At the time, he issued a statement saying, quote, "There was no grip. It was a playful tiff," the result of an argument over their children.
Nigella known around the world as much for her striking looks and strong personality as for her skills in the kitchen remained silent. It was that silence that Saatchi now says took a toll on their marriage. In a statement to "The Mail" on Sunday, he said, quote, "I'm disappointed that she was advised to make no public comment to explain that I've abhor violence of any kind against women and have never abused her physically in any way."
SCAN: It does seem incredibly trashy. I think the next move has to be her and how she brings some class to this and some style. I think all eyes will be on Nigella this week.
MCLAUGHLIN: In that statement to "The Mail" on Sunday, Charles Saatchi said at times in the past, Nigella would grasp his neck in attempt to hold his attention. He added that they're instinctively tactile couple, still no word from Nigella. Both she and Saatchi declined to comment to CNN for this story -- Chris and Kate.
CUOMO: All right, Erin, thank you very much. Tactile, good, grabbing the neck, not so good.
BOLDUAN: It disputes making into public, not good.
All right, coming up next on NEW DAY, new details on the San Francisco airport crash as crash investigators look for information from the plane's flight data recorder.
And this as well, just as he is about to become uncle prince, Prince Harry, gets yet another title. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) BOLDUAN: Welcome back to NEW DAY, everybody. It's time for the Pop 4 with our Nischelle Turner.
NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Lots of news today, guys, so we're going to keep this thing moving, OK. Our number four story popping this morning involves, popping the question. Yes, Seth Meyers getting married. The "Saturday Night Live" star and soon- to-be late night host proposed to his girlfriend, Alexi Ashe. She is an attorney who has done a lot of human rights work. Congrats, guys.
From prince to commander, number three this morning, Prince Harry qualified to be an Apache aircraft commander this week. That means he is now in charge of his Apache helicopter during missions, no longer second in line at work.
At number two this morning from Tour De France to Tour De Iowa, Lance Armstrong plans to ride again. It's his first public appearance since his mea culpa in January. He will be participating in the annual great bicycle ride across Iowa later this month.
And our number one story today turns out the "Lone Ranger" did bomb at the Box Office during its first weekend earning $49 million. We didn't even get the video, we got to show "Despicable Me" because it came at number one. It earned a lot of money $82 million. The "Lone Ranger," remember last week, guys, we said if it earned around the $45 million mark, it would be bad news, $49 million, that isn't good.
PEREIRA: I'm still going to see it.
TURNER: You should. You should see it. Decide for yourself. We want to say to our audience, decide for yourself, guys, see if you don't love it -- too long, too complicated, not the classic tale, lots of those things and the budget was around $250 million. So you got to make a lot of money to make that back.
CUOMO: I still smell a hate parade going on -- I'm going to see it.
TURNER: I think you should.
CUOMO: I have no idea because I'm here all the time. We're going to be back with the top news right after this break. Stay with us.