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Grandmother of Kidnapping Victim Speaks Out; Recovering from the House of Horrors; The Human Factor; Aaron Hernandez Murder Case; Interview with Drew Rosenhaus

Aired July 10, 2013 - 08:30   ET


MICHAELA PERIERA, CNN ANCHOR: And at number five, "Star Wars" mastermind, George Lucas, and playwright, Tony Kushner, will be honored today at the White House. President Obama will award them and more than a dozen other people, the National Medal of Arts and the National Humanities Medal.

We're always updating -- stumble on that one -- we're always updating our five things to know, so go to for the very latest. What an honor for them. What a great day.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Great day for them. You're always perfect in my eyes.

PERIERA: Well, selective memory.

CUOMO: We have NEW DAY exclusive for you. Support keeps pouring in for the Cleveland three held decade in that house of horrors. Well, this morning, the grandmother of one of those women, Amanda Berry is reacting to the powerful new video of them publicly thanking their supporters. Pamela Brown is here with the story for us. Hey, again, Pamela.


We saw this video yesterday morning. But if you can believe it, Amanda Berry's grandmother hadn't seen the Youtube video until we showed it to her and as you can imagine, she was filled with pride as she watched her granddaughter break her silence to the world.



BROWN: Amanda Berry's grandmother, Fern Gentry, sat down exclusively with CNN and watched this Youtube video for the first time showing her granddaughter smiling and sending a powerful message.

AMANDA BERRY, KIDNAPPING VICTIM: I'm getting stronger each day.

GENTRY: Got to be strong. And I know she thanks everybody for everybody for everything they've done for her.

BROWN: Gentry joins the flood of well wishers expressing support for Berry, Michele Knight and Gina DeJesus. Now breaking their silence for the first time since being rescued from captivity two months ago.

GENTRY: I thought Amanda had probably -- was gone but when I saw her walk through that door and she said, it's me. I'm alive. That is the most important thing I ever heard in my life.

BROWN: Until now, these missing person images were how the world knew them and now this.

MICHELLE KNIGHT, KIDNAPPING VICTIM: I will not let the situation define who I am. I will define the situation.

BROWN: Young women in their 20's empowered and taking a stand.

CHRIS KELLY, PARTNER, JONES DAY LAW FIRM: The girls are incredibly grateful for everything that everyone has been doing for them. They had the courage to go on and put on a video and really tells you something about their resilience and character.

BROWN: Chris Kelly runs the Women's Courage Fund now at more than $1 million from nearly 10,000 donors. This was the idea that they came up with. That video to be distributed to everyone would be the appropriate way of saying thank you.

GINA DEJESUS, KIDNAPPING VICTIM: Thank you for your support.

BROWN: Gentry says she hopes the video will serve as a reminder not to give up on other missing children.

GENTRY: There's a lot more children out there that's gone and missing. Just have hope.


BROWN: And Gine DeJesus' parents told me through a family friend they're happy that the world now knows what their daughter looks like, that she's beautiful, and continues to pull herself together. Now, the young women won't do any more interviews until the case involving their alleged captor is over and as you noticed, they did not say his name at all through the entire video.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: They are trying to forget him and to move on. That's for sure. All right. Pamela, thanks so much for bringing us that story.

I want to discuss this more with our chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta. Doctor, it's great to see you. So, when you look at that. They look so good in that video. That's one thing that struck many of us, but you also then remember the trauma that they have suffered for such an extended period of time. Is there any way to even measure the amount of trauma that they're going to have to recover from?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: I think it's very hard and interesting. Pam may have found this as well, but there's so little data on this sort of thing. And maybe that's a good thing, because there's not a lot of cases like this to study. But, first of all, so much of the attention is on recovering people who were missing as opposed to helping them recover afterwards. That was how it was put to me, and I thought that was a very good analogy.

And also, most times the data looks at family members or someone that they knew who actually abducted them as opposed to a total stranger here. So, it's very hard to say exactly what the recovery is going to be like. You know, for example, in one of the largest studies in which people are only abducted for three months as compared to ten years, about a quarter of them develop significant problem with drug use. There was about 40 percent had significant diagnosable PTSD. I was surprised the number wasn't higher, actually. Totally different scenario here. There's this organization called Take Root. It's one of the few organizations in the country that's actually even addressing some of these issues. So, everyone is going to be so different here.

BOLDUAN: What about from the perspective from the family. They've now been with their -- getting reacquainted with family and friends for about two months. From the family's perspective what's the best advice? I'm sure this is uncharted territory as well. It must be difficult to try to pick up where you left off so long ago.

GUPTA: No question. One of the most significant things that was told to me that I think is important to remember is that the people who are now recovering may feel guilty that they aren't recovering fast enough. So, if the sense from the family is, look, you're safe now. It's over. That could actually be more harmful in some ways to these people who are recovering in this case, these three women. Also, there is a time lapse here. Literally ten years are gone. I mean we have technology that wasn't there from ten years ago. So, it's a totally different world. It was described to me as literally taking your world and turning it inside out. You can't even imagine what that would be like.

BOLDUAN: What about the age as were when they were abducted? Two of the girls were teens when they were abducted. Does that affect their ability to recover? Does that make it easier or more difficult for them to try to recover?

GUPTA: I think as doctors we say kids that are more resilient at these things. Physically resilient --

BOLDUAN: Surprising to some people, that kids are more resilient.

GUPTA: They can be, and it could be -- if its a physical diseases, it can be just their youth. From an emotional disease, it can be their lack of context, you know not feeling as targeted, not feeling as vulnerable. But, here, I think it's again, very difficult to say because the period of abduction was so long. What I think is important is that they may be stunted in terms of their emotional development. They may have literally stopped developing, maturing at that point in time and now ten years later all of a sudden they're asked to pick up, again. So, generally, I would say that younger people are more resilient, but in this case, may have the opposite effect.

BOLDUAN: And as you said, there's just no data because this thankfully doesn't happen very often for people to be able to measure.

GUPTA: That is the silver lining, if there is one here.

BOLDUAN: Doctor, thank you so much.

Just time, time, time is the obvious thing to say. The more time they have to recover, the better.

CUOMO: Time, attention, attention by us leaving them alone, all very important. Please, stay with us Sanjay, Pamela. It is time for good stuff and they're both good people and they need to be here. In today's edition they call it puppy love. Claire Johnson, Mark Gaffey (ph) from the UK, both blind, they're both enrolled in a training course for guide dogs along with a number of other students and their dogs. That was all the two had in common until, wait for it, listen to this.


CLAIRE JOHNSON, ENROLLED IN GUIDE DOG COURSE: Every time my dog Venice (ph) saw Mark's dog, Rod, she pulled towards him and he pulled towards her and obviously they knew something that we didn't.


CUOMO: The dogs were drawn to each other. One thing led to another, there were little conversations, small talk led to a lunch, became lunches and the lunches kept getting longer. Not between the dogs. The two of the people and then guess what happened. Take a listen.


JOHNSON: So, we went out for the meal and in February -- and that was (INAUDIBLE) end of February we got engaged.

MARK GAFFEY, ENROLLED IN GUIDE DOG COURSE: And as they say, the rest is history.


PERIERA: I love that.

CUOMO: The wedding is in March. The dogs still inseparable, and guess who are going to be the ring bearers. Venice and Rod.



BOLDUAN: I love this story.

CUOMO: I'll tell you what, those dogs, anyone who has been around them knows that they are a little but more perceptive. They just seem to feel and know and hear what a beautiful thing, literally a marriage made by their best friends. It is good stuff and warms your heart. Lets you know there is a lot of good out there. Let us know the stories in your community, your lives that are the good stuff, as well. You can tweet us and go to Facebook and use the hashtag #newday. Go to our website, Let us know so we can keep telling you the good news.

BOLDUAN: Yeah, but the good stuff does not end there. Do not fear,

A restaurant owner in New Mexico is breaking barriers and challenging stereotypes of what disabled people can do. Our Dr. Sanjay Gupta sitting right here has that in this week's Human Factor.


GUPTA: Breakfast, lunch and hugs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The hugs are free, no charge at all.

GUPTA: That's what's on the menu at Tim's Place Restaurant in Albuquerque. This is Tim Harris. He's the owner and he has Down Syndrome.

TIM HARRIS, RESTAURANT OWNER: I have a disability, but I have the ability to make tons of friends, it feels awesome.

GUPTA: The atmosphere for customers is equally awesome. Walk in the door, get a hug. Only if you want one, of course. Serve that up with a side of green chili cheese grits. You have a recipe for the world's friendliest restaurant.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We come here for a therapeutic hug every weekend.

GUPTA: But Tim's dad wasn't so sure about the idea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At first, I can say, that not even I really took him all that seriously, but we began to realized it might be a great, great way for Tim to have an independent life.

GUPTA: The best part for dad is sitting back and watching the show.

KEITH HARRIS, FATHER OF TIM HARRIS: Our world, our society, I think, in many ways has become so sterile that a restaurant experience is a transaction and here it's an experience.

GUPTA: As for Tim, his favorite part is the hugs.

T. HARRIS: I'm almost at 40,000 hugs.


BOLDUAN: That's fabulous, Sanjay.

GUPTA: He calls it Tim's Place and he started doing this and just giving the hug. He calls it now the happiest restaurant on earth and it's amazing. You have this perception, I think of sometimes what people with Down Syndrome are capable of and then you watch Tim.

PERIERA: Great joy is what they're capable of. GUPTA: Lots of joy.

BOLDUAN: Breaking down barriers and people are coming to the restaurant, they're going to get their food, but they're also going to get some love (ph).

CUOMO: You often see that. People who have a challenge have some offsetting strength or virtue. You know, and here the power of this kid's hug and love for people.

BOLDUAN: You know who else is very good at hugs? Michaela Pereira gives a mean hug.


BOLDUAN: We must plug. Don't forget to tune in to "SANJAY GUPTA, MD." It airs weekends here on CNN. Saturday 4:30 eastern, Sunday 7:30 eastern. Don't want to miss that.

CUOMO: Good thing the doctor is here. Could help with the beating you guys gave me before. Treat my wounds.

Coming up on NEW DAY going through things that warm your heart to things that make you shake your head. Incriminating new evidence in the Aaron Hernandez murder case. We're going to tell you what police found on surveillance cameras in his home.

BOLDUAN: And when it comes to obesity, Americans are no longer number one on that list. We'll tell you what country took over that title. One we're happy to give up. Straight ahead.


BOLDUAN: Welcome back, everyone.

A big development in the murder case against former NFL star Aaron Hernandez. One of the -- another suspect Carlos Ortiz, well he tells Florida authorities it was Hernandez who shot Odin Lloyd. That's according to newly released court documents.

CNN's Susan Candiotti is live. I know you been following it from the beginning Susan. This is a big development.

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It sure is, Kate. Good morning to you. So far, as you said, police have side-stepped exactly who pulled the trigger the night Odin Lloyd was killed firing five shots, shooting him execution style. But as you said, according to these newly-released documents, now a man who is there is fingering Aaron Hernandez as the only shooter.


CANDIOTTI (voice over): In a blockbuster revelation, police tell CNN Carlos Ortiz says Earnest Wallace, also in the car the night of Odin Lloyd's murder, told an ex-New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez admitted shooting Lloyd. Until now police have only said Hernandez orchestrated the murder adding quote, "The defendant and his confederates stood over him and delivered the fatal shots."

Hernandez has pleaded not guilty. For now Wallace is charged with accessory to murder after the fact. Ortiz is being held without bail on a weapon's charge.

There were even more eye popping disclosures Tuesday. More than 150 pages of search warrant material unsealed after media organizations fought for their release. Example: detectives were met with a strange reaction from the former star tight end after discovering Odin Lloyd's body.

"Mr. Hernandez became argumentative" the documents read and asked, "what's with all the questions?" According to police officers told him it was a death investigation and quote, "Mr. Hernandez slammed the door."

For the first time, we're also seeing images of Hernandez inside his home the night of the murder, along with two other men later identified as Wallace and Ortiz. Until now, Hernandez has never been charged with a crime but he skirted on the edge of trouble while attending the University of Florida.

In 2007, his then roommate Tim Tebow once broke up a fight after Hernandez punched a bar bouncer. The football star, according to the "Boston Globe" also admitted using marijuana and failing a drug test.

Now that Hernandez has been charged with murder, Patriots' owner Robert Kraft would only say "If it's true, I'm just shocked. Our whole organization has been duped."


CANDIOTTI: As for the New England Patriots, a team spokesman tells me that from here on out, owner Robert Kraft will have nothing more to say about Aaron Hernandez because he has now been released from the team. That's it.

Now, as for the attorneys representing Aaron Hernandez and the other two men being held without bail, they have not returned our calls when we try to find out more about these -- latest allegations as to who pulled the trigger that night -- Chris.

CUOMO: Susan, thank you very much. Very interesting what you said about the Patriots' owner there. Let's talk about this a little bit more. Let's bring in NFL super-agent Drew Rosenhaus joining us live from Miami. You love having the title super-agent don't you Drew.

DREW ROSENHAUS, SPORTS AGENT: There could be worse titles to have.

I didn't -- you know I didn't coin the phrase, you know, so, if you guys want to use it, that's fine.

CUOMO: It says right here -- must call him super -- no, it doesn't. All right so let me ask you about Aaron Hernandez. Did you have any dealings with him? Do you have any impressions of him before this? ROSENHAUS: No. I've only met him once or twice casually and my impressions at the time were positive. I've seen him over the years. We represent a number of New England Patriots and a lot of the guys at Florida that played with Aaron Hernandez and every player that you talk to really liked Aaron Hernandez and had nothing but good things to say about him. And every one that knows Aaron Hernandez is shocked, really shocked.

CUOMO: Ok let's play on the idea of them being shocked. He had some issues in his past. People passed on him during the draft, allegedly, because of what they believed he might bring along with him in terms of his football skills. What is the chance that the Patriots weren't aware of what other teams knew?

ROSENHAUS: Well, there are, there are dozens of players every year that go into the draft that have off-the-field baggage whether it's a failed marijuana test or whether it's a fight I mean there are dozens of players. But that doesn't mean that if you draft them you're going to be potentially dealing with a player that is charged with a horrible crime.

So you know, these football players are human beings and teams when they evaluate guys they know they're drafting human beings who aren't perfect, but no one ever dreams it's not fathomable that you draft a guy that is going to be involved in this type of case. 6

CUOMO: Understood. But, you know, when you talk about not perfect versus 27 arrests just since the New Year, it seems like the league has a number of people in there who could wind up being a risk.

ROSENHAUS: Oh, I don't think so. You know, there are about 2,000 active NFL players in any given off season. You've got less than one percent of those guys who run afoul of the law. I mean the percentage of NFL players who get in trouble is very small. It's not a big problem in this league. The huge overwhelming majority of NFL players are outstanding citizens and represent the league in a very positive light both on and off the field. This is a very rare instance in my career I can only think of one other player that is dealt with and a charge like this in the last 25 years or so. It's a shocking development, but a very rare one and certainly the exception.

CUOMO: You know, when people hear that not many of them get in trouble, Drew you know what they think that well not many people have all this money and all of these people around and supporting them they shouldn't get in any trouble.

But I take your point that there are a lot of good examples, as well. Let me ask you about something that is almost more interesting, almost more intriguing than what's going on in the NFL. You are fishing a shark is caught and you jump in the water. We're playing the video right now.

Drew Rosenhaus someone who is respected for their tenacity but also their intelligence. Tell me, sir, what the heck was going through your mind when you made this decision? ROSENHAUS: Yes, it wasn't -- it wasn't premeditated. I have in the -- my father Robert Rosenhaus and my brother Jason Rosenhaus we were on a fishing boat and we hooked a six-foot lemon shark. They pulled him up to the boat and I just decided to dive in and get close to the animal. One thing led to another and my fascination with sharks and I did grab the shark and I tried to hold him and I love sharks and didn't want to hurt the shark.

The shark broke the line he swam away after our encounter. He was perfectly fine and it was nothing but good-natured fun. It was just instinctive. I jumped in and I wanted to get close to the shark. One thing led to another and I started holding him, handling him, wrestling him, if you will.

And I'm just glad that nothing bad happened. My brother and my father were right there. I was fairly confident that they wouldn't let anything bad happen to me either.

CUOMO: Yes, because there's a lot you can do when a guy is in the water with a shark. Drew Rosenhaus, thank God you're ok. The next time you want to play with a shark you know go to YouTube, buy a stuffed animal or something like that. You're too smart for that we need you around, Drew. Stop playing with sharks.


BOLDUAN: Thanks.

CUOMO: Great to have you on. I appreciate the perspective.

ROSENHAUS: Have a good morning.

CUOMO: You too.

ROSENHAUS: Thank you.

BOLDUAN: They are -- they are beautiful creatures, though.

All right, coming up next on NEW DAY.


BOLDUAN: The award of the day award of the day award.

CUOMO: I would never go swim against that guy.


CUOMO: He wants to grab a shark.


CUOMO: You can hear the music and feel the sensation that lets you know he is near -- John Berman with his NEW DAY award of the day award.

PEREIRA: It's good to see you Berman.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: (inaudible) out run for us today, I want to start with encore performance, really. You saw this before this is the golfer who's got very bad aim with a golf ball but phenomenal aim with a golf club. That is just ridiculous. We hope the cameraman is ok and we trust that he is there.

But for our winner today, not this. We have a milestone a sort of -- a sort of a sign of American decline according to report from the United Nations the U.S. is no longer the fattest nation on earth, Mexico is; 32.8 percent of Mexicans are overweight compared to 31.8 percent of Americans.

Now, I do not know if many would lament the U.S. falling to number two in a major world ranking like this. But if you were in the business of lamenting let me tell you there are some other areas where the U.S. is not preeminent. When it comes to countries that drink the most gin, the U.S. is in second there, too; the Philippines in the first place.

CUOMO: Really.

PEREIRA: Gin only. Gin only.

BERMAN: We are in embarrassing ninth place when it comes to exports of mushrooms. Poland is first there, that's shame, shame but before you feel too badly, you know you were talking about sharks before. The U.S. still leads the world in number of shark attacks.

CUOMO: Because of people like Rosenhaus jumping in the water with them.

BERMAN: But I digress. I was talking about a -- about over here and Chris, you like to talk about achievement in the U.S. American you like to say.


BERMAN: Our award today is the Mexican award is now leading the world in obesity something American can be happy about.

BOLDUAN: We will fight our way back though.

BERMAN: Hopefully not.

BOLDUAN: All right exactly. All right Berman thank you so much. We'll be right back.


BOLDUAN: That's it for NEW DAY everyone. A special edition of "CNN NEWSROOM" with our Wolf Blitzer begins right now. Hi Wolf.