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"George Zimmerman Got Away With Murder"; Former NFL Player Battle ALS; Weiner Roast; Six Dead In Florida Shooting Spree; Cairo Streets Explode With Violence; U.S.: No Death Sentence For Snowden; Manning Verdict Expected Next Week; Prosecutor Rests In Bulger Case; Weiner Hangs On In NYC Mayor's Race; San Diego Mayor Subpoenaed; Driver Accused Of Reckless Homicide; The Potential For Human Error; 60th Anniversary Of Korean Truce; Vietnam Vet: Diabetes Saved My Life
Aired July 27, 2013 - 08:00 ET
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The behavior I have engaged in over many years is wrong.
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POPPY HARLOW, CNN ANCHOR: Another day, another apology. But the San Diego mayor accused of sexual harassment is not stepping down instead he offers a different solution.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: He was a star football player, whose famous play resurrected the New Orleans Saints, but today Steve Gleason can't run, walk, or even talk, a victim of ALS.
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JUROR B29: If you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't find -- you can't say he is guilty.
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HARLOW: And juror B29 has broken her silence, but was her verdict based on a misunderstanding, and did peer pressure play into George Zimmerman's acquittal
MALVEAUX: Good morning, everyone. I am Suzanne Malveaux.
HARLOW: I am Poppy Harlow. It is 8:00 out east. Thanks so much for starting your Saturday with us.
MALVEAUX: We begin this morning a serious story, six people plus an alleged shooter now dead in Florida. This happened at an apartment complex. This is in a Miami suburb. Police responding to shots fired, found five bodies scattered around the complex and one across the street. Now they have found the suspected shooter holed up in a apartment with two hostages. Our Nick Valencia is following the story. First of all, how did this happen? I mean, how did it begin and obviously it ended very badly.
NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It ended very badly for the shooter and for six other people, seven dead in all. It all started late Friday when witnesses called and reported hearing gunshots between 15 and 20 gunshots, and when police got on the scene and made their way through the apartment complex, they realized there were more bodies and they also realized that the suspect had barricaded himself in an apartment complex with two hostages.
I just got off the phone moments ago with Sergeant Eddie Rodriguez. He is the PIO for the Hialeah Police Department and he told me about a very dramatic situation last night as the SWAT team made their way into that barricaded apartment.
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SERGEANT EDDIE RODRIGUEZ, HIALEAH POLICE (via telephone): The Hialeah SWAT team rescued those two hostages that were being held against their will inside of that apartment. We had several victims in the building. We were able to make our way through the building, and we were able to advance quickly and move our way up, and eventually locate him inside the apartment barricaded with two hostages.
Eventually crisis negotiation team was speaking with him and that communication eventually crumbled and they had to come up with the idea and the decision to move quickly. They coordinated with SWAT and eventually they went in and they rescued both hostages that were inside and the subject was also killed.
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VALENCIA: The first two victims were the manager of the apartment complex and his wife. We still don't know anything about the shooter if he was at the apartment complex to being with of if he came from somewhere outside.
MALVEAUX: Do we have any idea -- was there a motive behind this?
VALENCIA: That's another thing. They don't know who the shooter is. They don't know the motive. They don't know if he had any relationship or any acquaintanceship with the victims. Right now, they are working on getting more information on the shooter and they are going through a debrief right now. We'll have more information when we get it.
MALVEAUX: Seven people dead?
VALENCIA: Yes, just amazing.
HARLOW: Thanks a lot, Nick.
All right, well, it is another very difficult day in Egypt's capital. Doctors scramble to save people wounded in the latest round of violence to rock Cairo. Reports of the number killed vary widely from 21 to 75. State media says perhaps 1,000 people have been hurt in these clashes. The bloodshed support duelling rallies between supporters of the military and those that support the president. It all spilled out on the street on Saturday morning. Egyptians who backed ousted president, Mohamed Morsy, claimed security forces open fire on them, Egypt's military denies that saying it used nothing more than tear-gas on the crowd.
MALVEAUX: Edward Snowden, he was not still supposed to be at a Moscow airport. Well, the NSA computer analyst now turned leaker likely thought he would be either in Iceland or Ecuador or Venezuela, at least by now, anywhere but stuck in the airport. Well, now the U.S. is putting more pressure on Russia saying Snowden's fears are overblown. It is time that he be returned to the United States.
We want to bring in our foreign affairs correspondent Jill Dougherty from Washington. Jill, this is kind of like a no-man's land nightmare for Snowden, but there has been pressure now from several fronts in the Obama administration to get him back to the United States.
JILL DOUGHERTY, CNN FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Exactly, Suzanne. As you and our viewers know, there is no extradition treaty between the United States and Russia that's one of the issues. And in Russia what they've been saying is, look, he could be executed. He could be tortured. The United States said that is absolutely not correct and now the U.S. has made it official.
EDWARD SNOWDEN, NSA LEAKER: I have a family, a home in paradise --
DOUGHERTY (voice-over): The U.S. is stepping up efforts to get its hands on Edward Snowden getting him out of the Moscow Airport transit area he has been holed up in now for more than a month. Snowden has asked Russia for temporary asylum claiming he would be tortured and could face the death penalty if he is returned to the U.S.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This person is a traitor to the United States of America.
DOUGHERTY: Attorney General Eric Holder says Snowden's claims are not only not true, but to address Russian concerns, he is giving written assurances to Moscow that if Snowden comes back the United States would not seek the death penalty and that Mr. Snowden will not be tortured.
LON SNOWDEN, EDWARD SNOWDEN'S FATHER: I have confidence in my son and I am absolutely certain that he is speaking the truth.
DOUGHERTY: At the same time, Snowden's father went on NBC's "Today" show to defend his son and complain about the way his son is being treated. Lon Snowden also firing off a letter to President Obama calling the zeal to punish his son unconscionable, saying, his administration has shown scorn for due process, the rule of law, fairness, and the presumption of innocence. He is calling on the president to have Holder dismiss the charges against his son, and taking up his son's cause, he is blasting that close congressional vote to keep the NSA surveillance program alive.
LON SNOWDEN: I am extremely disappointed and angry. I'm an angry American citizen.
DOUGHERTY: The White House meanwhile still isn't committing President Obama to meet with Vladimir Putin in Moscow ahead of G20 Summit talks in September.
DOUGHERTY: And that's one of the bargaining chips you could say, Suzanne, here at the White House. They are holding that out. It appears that the president would go to the G-20, but there was that separate meeting in Moscow, and that's what they are not saying whether the president will do. So we'll see how they -- it will all depend on what happens to Snowden.
MALVEAUX: Until it fairly seems like their patience is running pretty thin at this point. Is there kind of a deadline or timetable that they believe, we really have to do something more aggressive to get him back to the United States?
DOUGHERTY: You know, interestingly, the Russians are kind of playing this out, too, because in fact, the immigration, their migration services they call it was saying, well, according to our laws he could be at the airport for another three months, but that could be extended for another three months. So what they are saying is he could be out there for six months.
MALVEAUX: All right, Jill Dougherty, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
HARLOW: The defense attorneys expect a military judge to announce a verdict in the Bradley Manning court marshal as soon as Tuesday or Wednesday. Closing arguments wrapped up yesterday. The former Army intelligence analyst could go to prison for life if he is convicted. He is charged with giving reams of classified intelligence to the web site, Wikileaks.
MALVEAUX: After calling 63 witnesses in 30 days, the prosecution has now rested its case against reputed mob boss, James "Whitey" Bulger. Now on Monday, the defense is going to make its case. Right now, it appears that 16 witnesses will be called to testify. We don't know yet if Bulger is going to take the stand, but he is facing 19 counts of murder.
And Anthony Weiner says he is going to weather the new sexting revelations. He says he is not going to quit the New York mayor's race. That he is in this to win.
HARLOW: We have that Democratic primary coming up on September 10th. Polls indicate New Yorkers are having second thoughts about Weiner, at least those initial polls.
Let's bring in our Alina Cho. Alina, good morning to you. So I know we still have a lot more polls to get, but how is he looking so far after these latest revelations?
ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Poppy, I have to tell you. The lead that he once enjoyed in the Quinnipiac poll, a little more than a week ago has all but evaporated in another major poll. I want you to look at the newest NBC/"Wall Street Journal"/Marist poll, take a look at the numbers there. It came out after these latest sexting allegations, and if you look at the screen there, you can see that Weiner has taken a bit of a dive, dropping nine points to just 16 percent support among likely voters. His strongest Democratic opponent, Christine Quinn is on top right now with 25 percent support.
But if you take a look at the next screen here, this is what's really, really interesting. Look at Christine Quinn supporters, 37 percent strongly support her, 52 percent, more than half, strongly support Anthony Weiner, and keep in mind, strong supporters tend to turn up at the polls. So this race is far from over just when you thought it might be.
HARLOW: And Alina, you have been talking to New Yorkers about their feelings on Weiner. When you also look at Christine Quinn, because they were neck and neck in the polls, what do they mean for Christine Quinn?
CHO: Well, I mean, for now they look good. Listen, this latest poll came out on her 47th birthday, if you can believe that, so what a great birthday present. You know, she is definitely the candidate to watch, but she was very careful about saying that Anthony Weiner should drop out of the race. Let's listen to what she told me yesterday.
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CHRISTINE QUINN (D), NEW YORK MAYORAL CANDIDATE: Well, when the former Congressman Weiner was debating to run, I said it was a decision for him. He's made that decision and it's now a division for the voters.
CHO: This is a distraction, isn't it?
QUINN: New Yorkers are focusing on the issues. What former Congressman Weiner did is a distraction, but voters know what matters.
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CHO: Well, voters know what matters, and the problem is at least among some voters and the editorial boards of "The New York Times," the "Wall Street Journal," the "New York Daily News" and the NAACP, they all believe that this is distraction, a big one, and that people are focusing on this so-called side show as the main show and it's taking people away from the real issues that are important to people here in New York City. So we are watching this story very closely and will have more in the 10:00 hour -- Poppy and Suzanne.
HARLOW: All right, appreciate that, Alina. Thank you.
MALVEAUX: Despite a lawsuit and demands from fellow Democrats that he resign, San Diego Mayor Bob Filner, he is not leaving office instead he announced that he is taking two weeks for intensive therapy starting August. Seven women have accused him of sexual harassment. One filed a lawsuit and last night, Filner was subpoenaed over the accusations.
HARLOW: I spoke to one of the women that is accusing him, Morgan Rose. She is a school psychologist. She met with Filner back in 2009 in a restaurant. She says that Filner offered to help her with a program for children that she was working on, but then the conversation took a very strange turn, she says.
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MORGAN ROSE, MAYOR FILNER ACCUSER: Then he told me, your eyes have bewitched me. He got up and came over and sat next to me in the booth, pinning me in, and I don't remember because it was such a suspension of time and space in my life. This was so unexpected that I don't remember if he directly asked for a kiss or tried to kiss me, but it -- it was very uncomfortable.
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MALVEAUX: And later this morning, we are going to be talking to Laura Fink. She is the second woman who accused Filner of harassment. That is 9:10 a.m. Eastern, of course.
And the driver of that deadly train crash in Spain, now is taking the stand, formally accused.
HARLOW: What crime police say he committed, we will have that all for you straight ahead from Spain. That's next.
HARLOW: Breaking news, just in to CNN. Police in Spain have accused the driver of the train crash, the deadly train crash in Spain of reckless homicide. In this week, the deadly train crashed in Spain. Jose Francisco Garzon is now being held at police headquarters. And now an investigating judge must decide whether to press formal charges in that crash that killed at least 78 people.
Our Karl Penhaul is at the crash site. Hello to you, Karl. Tell us the latest. I know this is just developing.
KARL PENHAUL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Exactly, Poppy. In fact, the train driver was only transferred from hospital to the police headquarters in the last few minutes. He is there now. And this coincides with the announcement by Spain's interior minister that police are formally accusing him now of reckless homicide in relation to that tragic accident.
But of course, it's not police who will decide whether to formally press charges, that task will fall to a judge and the judge has between now and Sunday evening to decide whether to press ahead with formal charges. We're hearing just right now in fact from the Supreme Court in this region that the judge doesn't expect to meet the train driver until tomorrow.
And so we are going to have to wait possibly 24 hours now to see whether the judge upholds the police's official initial findings and whether formal charges of reckless homicide put to the train driver -- Poppy.
HARLOW: Let's talk about speed because officials have said speed was a factor in this. What can you tell us, Karl, about what we know how fast that train was going when this occurred?
PENHAUL: There are some very interesting questions about speed. What we know for sure is that according to the state railway the maximum speed permitted on this curve is 80 kilometers an hour, and that's 45 miles per hour. When we see the video, that chilling surveillance camera video of the crash, that train to the untrained eye appears to be going much faster than that 45 miles per hour.
With that said, when we put it to the interior ministry this morning that some junior ministers and also a regional police chief blamed the driver for excessive speed, the interior minister said that he believed that there were rational indications to suggest that the driver was to blame, but he wouldn't be pressed. He wouldn't go ahead and say that speed was the only factor.
Later on in the day in the press conference we've just came from, the minister for transport and development also said we have to keep an open mind. Other factors are also being considered. What are those other factors? Technical factors and also budgetary factors, was enough being spent on maintaining the line? Were all the security mechanisms in place -- Poppy.
HARLOW: It's just devastating. So many people died and so many people still in the hospital. Appreciate the reporting, Karl, thank you.
MALVEAUX: As investigators search for answers in the train crash in Spain and then the recent airplane crashes here in the United States, often the focus is on the driver. Well, Tom Foreman in Washington is looking at the possible role of human error.
TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Poppy and Suzanne. Watch this video of that train crash in Spain, and you can see precisely what the Spanish investigators are scrutinizing. It's not so much this amazing high-tech piece of machinery. It's not the precision engineering of the tracks, it's the speed of the train, more precisely, the hand of the throttle, the conductor. Two Spanish news agencies are reporting that while the speed limit for this curve is about 50 miles an hour, this train may have been travelling twice that fast.
And indeed the conductor is now being held, reportedly bragged in the past about how fast he could drive his train. So as a point of reference, we have slowed down that train video by half to show you two side by side images here. Look at this, this is the train at natural speed, and look how quickly it has crashed here, at the same time, if it were traveling 50 miles per hour, it would have been way back here, nowhere near this point. Could there have been a malfunction, something wrong with this train? Of course, but even if all the high-tech wizardry works, investigators know it cannot survive a human who drives it to destruction. That's why they are questioning the train's driver.
Let's look at the airplane crash because the same sorts of questions are being raised there. If you look at the Asiana flight, we know from the National Transportation Safety Board now that on a clear day, seemingly no problems, in broad daylight, this plane landed way short of the runway, hitting its under belly and tail on the seawall, cataclysmic crash.
We have had no reports that the pilots were having equipment troubles. We know one of them was relatively inexperienced and we know that they called to abort the landing just seconds before the impact. All of that says, look at the man more than the machine.
In the Southwest flight, NTSB now says just 30 feet above the ground, this plane's nose was tipped up just a few degrees, and in 4 seconds it shifted enough to tilt down. So instead of landing on the back gear it landed on the weaker front gear and we had a crash. It is possible it was an equipment failure? Is it possible there were weird weather circumstances involved?
Sure. This is not conclusive. We're still early in these investigations, but this is the sort of thing that has the investigators looking at these highly sophisticated machines, but also at the men running them to see if there was some miss calculation that showed poor judgment or led to some perilous mistake -- Suzanne, Poppy.
MALVEAUX: All right, thank you, Tom Foreman. Appreciate it.
HARLOW: Shedding light on the forgotten war. Today marks the 60th anniversary of the troops that ended fighting in the Korean War. And while North Korea celebrates with praise and dancing, South Korea and here in the United States, very solemn services are being held.
MALVEAUX: President Obama will speak at the Korean War Veteran's Memorial this morning. It was 60 years ago today that a truce ended hostilities on the Korean Peninsula. More than 36,000 Americans died in that war. CNN has live coverage of the president's wreath laying and the address. That will happen at 10:00.
Of course in wartime anything can happen, veteran war vet, Urban Miyares knows that firsthand.
HARLOW: Yes, you know, when his platoon came under fire, he was only the one to survive. So in today's "Human Factor,' he reveals what saved his life and how that dramatically changed it. Our chief medical correspondent, Dr. Sanjay Gupta has that story.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was 1968. Infantry Platoon Sergeant Urban Miyares was on patrol in Vietnam.
URBAN MIYARES, VIETNAM VETERAN: As we were going out, going by the rice paddies in the delta, I hear mortar shells going off and machine guns going off.
GUPTA: Then something odd happened.
MIYARES: Next thing I know I found myself falling face first into a rice paddy. That's it. Two days later, I woke up in a Saigon Military Hospital. They were telling me I was lucky. They found me in a body bag.
GUPTA: You heard that right. Urban was put in a body bag, presumed dead because he was found unconscious. An astute combat medic had discovered him still breathing.
MIYARES: The diagnosis was diabetes.
GUPTA: Urban hadn't been hit by the enemy. He passed out from the effects of the disease. He was the only soldier in his platoon to survive.
MIYARES: If it wasn't been for diabetes, I probably wouldn't be here.
GUPTA: The 45 years since had been a roller coaster ride as well. Urban has been legally blind since the '70s. He lost most of his hearing. He needed a kidney transplant, but one thing, sailing, that kept him afloat.
MIYARES: When I went to Vietnam and came back so sick and especially with the eyesight loss, I never thought I'd get into sailing again until I met two gentlemen in wheelchairs, Vietnam era veterans.
GUPTA: The three of them together started Challenged America. It's a therapeutic sailing program for people with disabilities, primarily veterans.
MIYARES: Sailing is therapy. There's nothing like being on the water, being with nature.
GUPTA: The program now has 27 modified sailboats based in San Diego. Urban's goal is to help the world see people with disabilities as equals.
MIYARES: It's nice. You get front of the line privileges, as I like to say. That's not what we're doing here. We want to be equal with you. Give us a chance to prove that we can do it, and you may be surprised.
GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.
(END VIDEOTAPE) HARLOW: What a cool program. You can catch "SANJAY GUPTA MD," Saturdays 4:30 p.m. Eastern right here on CNN and Sunday mornings at 7:30 a.m. Eastern.
MALVEAUX: What a great story. A second juror in the George Zimmerman trial breaks her silence on the case. We are going to examine what she might have endured in the jury room from a legal as well as an emotional perspective ahead.
HARLOW: But first Christine Romans has a preview of "YOUR MONEY" coming up in an hour from now. Good morning, Christine.
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Suzanne and Poppy. President Obama kicking off a tour to sell what he calls a better bargain for the middle class, everything from better jobs to more affordable education to a secure retirement, big question, is this actually a bold economic agenda or just more speeches for the history, and how much can this president actually get done? We will examine that at 9:30 a.m.
MALVEAUX: Bottom of the hour now and welcome back everyone. I'm Suzanne Malveaux.
HARLOW: And I am Poppy Harlow. Here are five things you need to know to start your NEW DAY.
MALVEAUX: Number one, demonstrators returning to the streets in Cairo despite deadly violence. Conflicting reports say anywhere from 21 to 75 Egyptians are dead following clashes overnight. The supporters of ousted President Mohamed Morsy say security forces opened fire on them. Egypt's interior minister says Morsy may be transferred to the same prison housing ousted leader Hosni Mubarak.
HARLOW: Number two, Pope Francis is celebrating mass this hour in Rio de Janeiro. He's in Brazil for World Youth Day and he's been received like a rock star. Later this morning, he'll meet with Brazilian officials. At the top of the hour we will bring you a live report from Rio.
MALVEAUX: And number three, tropical Storm Dorian still headed towards the Caribbean it's expected to arrive early next week, but it is losing steam. Right now it's maximum sustained winds are about 40 miles per hour.
HARLOW: Number four, authorities say six people and their alleged shooter are dead in Hialeah, Florida. They say six bodies were strewn (ph) in and near an apartment complex and the suspect was holed up with two hostages. Police rescue those hostages and killed the suspect in that shoot-out.
MALVEAUX: And finally the man who allegedly held three women captive inside his Cleveland home will spend the rest of his life behind bars. Ariel Castro has agreed to a plea deal of life in prison plus 1,000 years. He'll never be allowed to have a parole hearing and lawyers say this deal is what his victims wanted and spares them having to testify in court.
HARLOW: All right now to the legal bomb shells. These are comments from a Juror B29 in the George Zimmerman trial, saying that Zimmerman, quote, "Got away with murder." She is the second juror to break her silence and in an interview with ABC News she says there wasn't enough evidence under Florida law to convict Zimmerman on second degree or manslaughter charges for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin. Listen.
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MADDY, JUROR B29: I was the juror that was going to give them the hung juror. Or I was -- I fought until the end. I mean, it's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat because I feel that I was for forcefully included in Trayvon Martin's death. And as I carry him on my back, I am hurting as much as Trayvon Martin's mother because there is no way that any mother should feel that pain.
ROBIN ROBERTS, ABC NEWS ANCHOR: But you feel in your heart of hearts that you and the jury approached it and came with the decision and you stand by that decision to this day?
MADDY: I stand by the decision because of the law. If I stand by the decision because of my heart, he would have been guilty.
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HARLOW: And joining me now to talk about all of this, CNN legal analyst, Paul Callan and licensed psychologist Eric Fisher. I appreciate you both being here.
Paul I want to start with you. You heard what she just said. And I want to play you a little bit more sound from this juror who said she was the one who was going to make it a hung jury. Listen to -- to how she explains, how she came to that verdict.
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MADDY: For myself, he's guilty. Because the evidence shows he's guilty.
ROBERTS: He's guilty of?
MADDY: Killing Trayvon Martin. But as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't find -- you can't say he's guilty.
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HARLOW: So Paul, let's talk about that word "intent". Is that -- is that how the law reads in Florida?
PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, no, it isn't. And I -- I think everybody should be careful about this interview. We haven't seen the full transcript of the interview, there's been some criticism that ABC may have edited it selectively because there's -- we don't have the context of that statement. On the issue of intent under Florida law, on the manslaughter count, you don't need intent to commit murder. You only -- the law is very clear if there is an intent to do something that causes death and it was not justifiable, which would mean in this case he was not acting in self-defense, that would be manslaughter, there is nothing about intent that is required under the manslaughter charge, so her statement there wasn't what she was told by the judge in the jury charge.
HARLOW: I want to go to Dr. Fisher now. Let's talk about the psychology of this because this Juror B29 said that she initially voted in her first vote in the deliberation room for second-degree murder, so talk -- talk to me about the psychology of this. You're in the deliberation room with the same group off the same women. You've been really only with them for weeks on end because they were sequestered. Talk about the dynamics of that and how this plays into it.
DR. ERIK FISHER, LICENSED CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well there is a phenomena that occurs called group think, which when you have juries together it's called jury think and what happens is when you have a group of people together who are supposed to make a common decision, and they are tasked with this decision they can often begin to think alike. And the -- the thoughts or belief systems of the individual can be lost.
In this situation there was a great deal of pressure on them to make a decision that was the right decision, and in group think there is a tendency for people to take a moral ground that sometimes isn't necessarily based in total truth, and it can be based on emotions. Factors that contribute to this can be the strength of the jury foreman or other people in the jury who are strong personalities as well as again not wanting to be the only person who is dissenting -- there can be a lot of group pressure to conform.
HARLOW: Paul let's talk about how common that is. I mean you know you've dealt with a number of different juries, how common is it to see a juror express sadness like this after a -- after a verdict and to see emotions like this?
CALLAN: Well you have to understand, this is very common with juries when they kind of second guess themselves especially in situations where there has been a death and there is a wonderful family, like Trayvon Martin's family, who you know were hoping for a different verdict in what they thought was justice and they didn't get it, so there is juror remorse.
And you know Doctor Fisher talks about a very interesting thing about the group dynamics here you know there is a famous old movie called "Twelve Angry Men" where from the 50s where Henry Fonda plays one juror, a hold out juror and he turns the 11 other jurors to his way of thinking that it's a not guilty verdict.
That very, very rarely happens. Unless you have a solid coalition, a group of jurors willing to fight for the not guilty position, it's very difficult for them to turn the majority of other people. And here in Florida, you only have a six-person jury -- so a tough situation.
HARLOW: Yes I appreciate both of you coming in and your take on this. You know, we've heard from two of six jurors now, the question is will we hear from the others. Thank you both.
FISHER: Thank you.
CALLAN: Thank you, Poppy.
MALVEAUX: It's a mysterious and frustrating experience, ALS better known as Lou Gehrig's Disease ravages the body but not the mind.
Former football player Steve Gleason -- he's battling ALS, he is a big promoter of using technology to improve patients' quality of life, he can tweet just by blinking his eyes. He is absolutely amazing. We're going to share his story up next.
MALVEAUX: It is mysterious, frustrating and frightening. Little is known about it. We are now shedding light and going in depth on a killer disease called ALS. It stands for Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis and it kills more than 100,000 people every year. It moves very fast taking away peoples' abilities to control their muscles causing patients to quickly lose their ability, to speak, swallow, breathe or move.
The disease hits close to home for me. My mother was diagnosed with ALS a year and a half ago. Although the disease forces her to breathe with machine, she is in good spirits and getting around in her motorized wheelchair and enjoying our family.
But technology is improving ALS patients' quality of life in many different ways. One of those people is former NFL player Steve Gleason. With a tap of a toe or a blink of an eye, Gleason and others are redefining what it means to be alive.
Here is his story.
MALVEAUX (voice-over): It was the play that brought back the city of New Orleans; Saints' Steve Gleason blocking the punt that would send his "who dat" nation to victory.
The win was especially sweet because it was the Saints' first home game in the Superdome since Hurricane Katrina. In that moment, Steve Gleason, the handsome, 5'11", rock-solid 212-pound safety instantly became a New Orleans hero.
But five years later, in January of 2011, at age 33, Gleason got the shocking news. He was diagnosed with ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease -- a fatal condition that would soon paralyze him and rob him of his abilities to speak, eat or breathe.
DR. JEFF ROTHSTEIN, ALS SPECIALIST: It's a disease where the cells in your brain and spinal cord, the cells that control our muscles slowly degenerate. They die.
MALVEAUX: When I met Steve and his wife, Michelle, at their New Orleans home in March, I was struck by just how young and how beautiful they are -- their playful relationship and his flirtatious smile.
MICHELLE GLEASON, WIFE OF STEVE GLEASON: He was just like this big he- man strong guy, and he's still strong in certain places but it's a huge contrast.
MALVEAUX: Two years into the disease, Steve is paralyzed, and uses his synthetic voice to speak for him.
STEVE GLEASON, NFL PLAYER WITH ALS: It has not been easy.
MALVEAUX: Steve recently was thrust into the spotlight after three Atlanta radio deejays mocked him using a fake automated voice as his own.
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UNIDENTIFIED RADIO HOST: Knock knock.
UNIDENTIFIED RADIO HOST: Who's there?
UNIDENTIFIED RADIO HOST: Smother.
UNIDENTIFIED RADIO HOST: Smother who?
UNIDENTIFIED RADIO HOST: Smother me. Do me a favor.
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MALVEAUX: The deejays were fired and apologized to Steve later. Steve issued a statement saying, "Received and accepted. We have all made mistakes in this life. How we learn from our mistakes is the measure of who we are."
Steve says he's changed, too.
STEVE GLEASON: My capacity to love and to love myself, to be loved has been exponentially increased since my diagnosis.
MALVEAUX: When Steve first got the diagnosis, he and Michelle were faced with a critical decision, whether or not to have a child.
MICHELLE GLEASON: In reality, I don't think, I knew exactly what I was getting myself into or what he was getting himself into -- let's be honest. But I still believe it's the best decision we've ever made as a couple.
MALVEAUX: When Rivers was born, Steve also knew he'd soon lose his ability to speak, so he started recording bedtime stories that he plays for Rivers today.
STEVE GLEASON: Papa Pea would fling little pea off a spoon. MALVEAUX: The other big decision Steve and Michelle made was to go public with the disease.
STEVE GLEASON: This is the first time I've been in front of any cameras since we went public in September, so obviously I don't know how to move or talk quite the way I used to.
MALVEAUX: Launching the No White Flags campaign. At the Super Bowl in 2012, he teamed up with one of his mentors, former Ravens linebacker, O.J. Brigantz, who also has ALS. Steve recruited star NFL players and coaches to generate this dramatic PSA.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't move your fingers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your mind keeps working but your body doesn't respond.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Soon you can't hug your mother or pick up your child.
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MALVEAUX: While he doesn't believe the head injuries in his football career led to the disease, researchers are looking into the possibility they may be linked.
But Steve is focused on promoting technology to improve the quality of life for those with ALS. He's raised millions of dollars to build a state-of-the-art facility in New Orleans for ALS patients.
MICHELLE GLEASON: Control the A.C., turn on lights and then start working on their computers.
MALVEAUX: It's outfitted with eye-tracking technology like that in his home to give residents the ability to control everything around them.
But even with all this, Michelle says they have their difficult days, most recently as they prepared for a dinner date.
MICHELLE GLEASON: He's in the suit, just pissed-mad at the world, actually, drove into our office and drove himself into the closet and got stuck and started crying, so I started crying, called my mom and said we're not going to come. So she started crying. Ten minutes later after we both sobbed, we said look we're going to do this.
MALVEAUX: And they are doing it. Steve marked his one-year anniversary with ALS with a skydive. He also sponsors adventure trips for other ALS patience, recently trekking up Machu Pichu and canoeing down the Missouri River.
Steve says most people live as if they'll never die and that's why he's living life to the fullest.
(END VIDEOTAPE) MALVEAU: I love those guys. If you would like to read more about ALS and how you can help push for a cure, go to cnn.com/ImpactYourWorld and MalveauxMission.org.
MALVEAUX: This morning, we are bringing you a special edition of "Politicians Say What?" courtesy of Anthony Weiner.
HARLOW: All right. Let's face it, the text Weiner admitted to writing and sending are just really too lewd for us to read on air or show a lot of those photos on air, but apparently we are not the only ones who thought so. Our Jeanne Moos takes her own look at "Politicians Say What?"
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The press is on Weiner watch.
ANTHONY WEINER: I said to you and to others --
MOOS: Grilling Weiner even in the middle of the street.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Watch the curb.
MOOS: The only ones enjoying this more than the media? The comedians.
LENO: I'm Anthony Weiner -- the Peter Tweeter is at it again.
MOOS: The latest sexting was revealed by --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A gossip website called The Dirty.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Dirty.
MOOS: Now, Weiner's most damaging online chats are way too steamy for us to repeat, but some of the tamer exchanges had commentators in stitches at the Blaze TV, as they performed a dramatic reading with Will Cain as Weiner.
WILL CAIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: You are a walking fantasy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't want to just be a fantasy, I want to take care of your every need.
MOOS: The man running for New York City mayor inspired glee with a screen name he allegedly used for sexting.
LETTERMAN: Your mayor is Carlos Danger.
LENO: This is Weiner's way of getting more Latino support.
MOOS: Letterman did the top ten other Anthony Weiner pseudonyms.
LETTERMAN: Carlos Dangler.
The notorious not so BIG and Mahmoud Ahmadinejunk.
MOOS: A blog called "Animal New York" created a Carlos Danger for Mayor commercial featuring one of the latest photos purporting to show Weiner in all his glory.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm Carlos Danger and I approve this message.
MOOS: And then there was the mystery man who kept popping up at Weiner's press conference.
WEINER: Um, what happened today --
MOOS: He quickly became known as the cubicle guy. Politico put Cubicle Guy's "Prairie Dog" pop-ups to music. Some compared him to Wilson --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Romeo and Juliet?
MOOS: -- the fence-peeper from "Home Improvement". To others, "Cubicle Guy" brought back memories of the "Kilroy was here" doodle.
It turns out, Cubicle Guy was Jeff McKinney, a WOR radio reporter who told WCCO --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cubicle Guy had no idea that he was cubicle guy.
MOOS: He said he had nowhere else to stand, as one online poster put it, "He works in radio. He forgets that people can see him."
Anthony Weiner's alleged alias, Carlos Danger, has itself popped up on this "Danger: Carlos Is Around" T-shirt.
CAIN: You are a walking fantasy.
MOOS: Just don't fantasize while walking. A word of caution --
WEINER: Be careful, guys.
MOOS: Carlos Danger.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
HARLOW: All right. Thanks so much for starting your morning with us. We have a lot of news straight ahead here on NEW DAY SATURDAY.