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AROUND THE WORLD
Israel OKs New Settlements; Fierce Storm Hits Philippines; Oprah Sorry About Controversy; Violence in Cairo; Fire at Chilean Prison; Massacre at Nigerian Mosque; First Saudi Woman Climbs Everest; Best Countries for Working Parents; Vatican Hosts Soccer Teams
Aired August 13, 2013 - 12:00 ET
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MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: No. Oh.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: We'll stop that. We'll stop that right there. Ashleigh Banfield --
ASHLEIGH BANFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: All right, you two, looking for a (INAUDIBLE).
HOLMES: You are wicked. You are.
BALDWIN: Thank you very much.
BANFIELD: See you later. Bye now.
BALDWIN: Like the new digs, by the way. Thank you.
BANFIELD: Thank you. So do I.
HOLMES: Yes. She's cheeky. She really is.
BALDWIN: She is very cheeky.
HOLMES: All right, AROUND THE WORLD starts right now.
Just one day before peace talks were going to resume, Israel says it is going to build more settlements in east Jerusalem. We will take you there live.
HOLMES: Plus, it is the world's most powerful storm so far this year, even sweeping that woman away while she stands on her own roof.
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OPRAH WINFREY: I'm really sorry that it gone blown up. I purposely did not mention the name of the store. I'm sorry that I said it was Switzerland.
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BALDWIN: Oprah Winfrey says she's the victim. She is, though, now apologizing for that purse incident in Switzerland. We will talk about that.
So many stories on this Tuesday. Welcome to AROUND THE WORLD. I'm Brooke Baldwin, sitting in for Suzanne Malveaux.
HOLMES: Lovely having you.
BALDWIN: Good to see you.
HOLMES: Good to see you. I'm Michael Holmes. Thanks for your company today.
We will start with Israel, though. The Israelis, they say they're planning for future growth. Natural expansion. The Palestinians say they're stealing more land.
BALDWIN: This as Israel announces plans to build more settlement units just one day here before peace talks are scheduled to resume. Today's announcement calls for 900 units in east Jerusalem. Keep in mind, this is on top of 1,000 new units announced Sunday for east Jerusalem and the West Bank.
HOLMES: Yes, settlements, of course, a major flash point in the fragile peace process. Palestinians, of course, want that territory for a future state. They're especially contentious when it comes to East Jerusalem, which they want as a capital of that future state.
BALDWIN: Vladimir Duthiers covering the story for us from Jerusalem. Also who will be joining us in this conversation, Middle East expert Aaron David Miller joins us from Washington.
But, Vlad, I'd like to just begin with you. Tell us what Israeli officials have to say about this particular decision.
VLADIMIR DUTHIERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Brooke.
Well, what Israel is saying in that in the case of the 1,000 settlements this were announced on Sunday, that these settlements are going to be in places in parts of the West Bank and east Jerusalem, which they say would be part of the state of Israel whatever the negotiations lead to at their finality. So they are saying that this wouldn't be in Palestinian territory, but in territory that they consider to be the state of Israel.
Now, with the announcement today that they will be building an additional 900 settlement units across east Jerusalem, again, as you said, the Palestinians -- sorry, the Israelis have said that this is their right to do so, that they need to grow their cities and they need to provide homes for their people. In fact, the housing minister this Sunday said that no state would tell another state and dictate how and where they could build on their own land.
As you've also mentioned, the Palestinians, as you can imagine, are quite outraged by these announcements. The Palestinian chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat, said that this is unacceptable and he went so far as to say to us on Sunday that he was considering stopping the peace negotiations, which are rescheduled to begin tomorrow. So both sides very contentious over this issue, Brooke.
HOLMES: Yes, Vlad, we'll leave it there.
Let's bring in Aaron David Miller, now, who has acted as a Middle East negotiator in both Democratic and Republican administrations.
Now, one thing the (INAUDIBLE) state has no doubt done is asked both sides to, I don't know, shut up. Not do anything contentious before these talks get underway. Now, for Palestinians, what could be more provocative than more settlement growth, especially in east Jerusalem and they're talking about it being in part of Israel that will be after the -- they're preempting the negotiations, creating more of what they like to call facts on the ground. What do you make of this?
AARON DAVID MILLER, WOODROW WILSON INTERNATIONAL CENTER: It's going to be the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations for as long as they last. Yes, this is humiliating for Palestinians on the eve of a negotiation. There's no question. Settlement activity predetermines, prejudges and demonstrates essentially Palestinian weakness and impotence in the face of Israeli capacity to impose unilateral actions. At the same time, it's a political necessity for a prime minister who's about to release in a very controversial move Palestinian prisoners, many of whom are serving life sentences for killing or being involved in violence against and terror against Israelis.
So these are political statements by each side in a way on the eve of what is going to be a very contentious, but from the secretary's standpoint, hopefully a productive negotiation. Get used to it, because this is not a negotiation between two states. If it was Israel/Egypt, Israel/Jordan, it would be one thing. It's a negotiation between two parties, one of whom is playing the role of occupier, the other playing the role of occupied. And in this dance, this is what happens and this is going to be a huge problem for the would-be American mediator.
BALDWIN: And this is also sort of what you point out in the CNN op-ed entitled "Five Ways to Tell if Middle East Peace Talks are Serious," right, this is your point about what matters is also what's happening on the ground and what's happening away from the negotiating table.
One other point that you make is that just -- and my question really is, what is the role of the United States? Because you say as the secretary of state, you know, Secretary Kerry is serious and also the president as well, they need, to quote you, "be all over these talks like a cheap suit." How do you mean?
MILLER: Yes, not very artful. But, look, the reality is, in the history --
DUTHIERS: Atlanta, am I clear or am I still on?
MILLER: In the history of those early negotiation, only one negotiation that actually worked had ever been direct, and that was an Israeli/Jordanian peace treaty where the Israelis and the Jordanians got together in secret, and in the open, and hammered out the terms of their agreement. In every other break, there haven't been many, the United States has played a key role. And the reality is, look, let's be clear, the chances that Mahmoud Abbas, with all of his political constraints, and Benjamin Netanyahu, with all of his, are going to get together without anybody's help and reach an agreement on Jerusalem, border security and refugees, the chances of that happening are slim to none. Maybe, just maybe, if it can happen, the U.S. is going to have to play a key role. And, by the way, not just Secretary Kerry. The president of the United States, he's got his Nobel Peace Prize. He didn't want it. He may have been embarrassed by it. But he now has a chance maybe actually to own it and earn it.
HOLMES: Aaron, where's the stick? Where's the U.S. stick here? I mean is it going to take the U.S. bashing the table, which, let's face it, they've done this before. They're taking the first steps down a road they have already been down.
BALDWIN: But Secretary Kerry really seemed to have dedicate himself in particular to this cause for (INAUDIBLE).
HOLMES: But are they listening?
HOLMES: Are they listening, Aaron? I mean, you know, the big stick, I suppose, for the Israelis is, if they don't do anything, the future of Israel as a Jewish state becomes a question.
MILLER: Right. That's sometime in the future. And the fact is, we wouldn't be having -- the three of us wouldn't be having this conversation had not John Kerry decided that Arab -- Israeli- Palestinian peace is important. Time's running out. He's got to do something.
But the reality is, U.S. leverage here is actually quite limited. It's paradoxical (ph). The fact that Kerry got this far has a lot to do not with the president using vinegar to get the Israelis to sit down at the table, but the president using honey. It's because of the Obama- Netanyahu reset that, in fact -- and Kerry's relationship with Netanyahu that the prime minister is coming to the table.
One other reality. Nobody wants to be blamed for the collapse of these negotiations. And this is a tactic James Baker used on the way to Madrid. He threatened, with all due respect to PETA, to leave a dead cat on the doorstep of whomever wouldn't comply. John Kerry knows that neither Abbas nor Netanyahu wants to be blamed for the collapse of these talks, and he's used that quite effectively. But if they're going to -- if they are actually going to work, then Netanyahu and Abbas are going to have to own them, Kerry's going to have to be there mediating and at some point probably high-risk, high-profile summit, the president of the United States, if he wants to take the risk and he wants this badly enough, is going to have to get involved personally as well.
HOLMES: It's a don't hold your breath period of time, I imagine, in that part of the world. Aaron, we'll have to leave it there. Aaron David Miller, thanks to much. Do appreciate it.
BALDWIN: Thank you very much.
MILLER: Always a pleasure.
HOLMES: Always a fascinating chat, isn't it?
BALDWIN: I know. And you should, if you have a moment, click on cnn.com/opinion and read his piece, five steps to figure out if the talks really are serious or not.
HOLMES: Yes. Yes, he knows the region well.
Well, let's move on now. This massive typhoon we've been reporting on, which is ripping through the South China Sea. It's called Typhoon Utor and it has already battered the Philippines. At least two people killed. Thousands more are homeless and there are plenty of missing people as well they can't reach.
BALDWIN: Kristie Lu Stout is watching this storm from nearby Hong Kong.
KRISTIE LU STOUT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The world's most powerful storm of the year so far has plowed through the Philippines. No catastrophic casualties, which is remarkable given images like this. A woman is seen floating down a swollen river on top of a thatched roof. She disappears in the waves and then reappears but we don't know what happens to her.
The storm, it has weakened, but it is still severe and it's heading this way. It is now moving across the South China Sea heading toward southern China.
HOLMES: Yes, as Kristie Lu just mentioned, there's that storm heading towards southern China. You can see there on the map. Could make landfall by this time tomorrow. Batten down if you're in Hong Kong as well.
BALDWIN: So Oprah Winfrey. Let's talk Oprah because she now says she is sorry over this whole kerfuffle, this controversy that was stirred after she said she was the victim of racism.
HOLMES: She's sorry it ever happened or went this far I suppose you could say.
HOLMES: She says it all happened, of course, you may remember, when she went to buy an expensive purse -- that's an understatement -- at a Swiss boutique. Well, now she is talking about it.
BALDWIN: At the L.A. premier of her new movie, Lee Daniels "The Butler," last night Oprah Winfrey said the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Take a listen.
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OPRAH WINFREY: I think that incident in Switzerland was just an incident in Switzerland. I'm really sorry that it got blown up. I purposely did not mention the name of the store. I'm sorry that I said it was Switzerland. I was just referencing it as an example of being in a place where people don't expect that you would be able to be there.
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HOLMES: And Nischelle Turner joining us now from New York.
Nischelle, yes, she just -- she just wish this hadn't blown up like this. She was just making a point, she says.
NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Yes. You know, I think she means she wanted to make the point and I think the point to make here is that Oprah's not apologizing for talking about what happened to her or saying that it didn't happen. She seems to be saying she's sorry everyone is focusing on the specifics of the story and not the point that she was making, that even Oprah Winfrey believes she's discriminating against.
But she also said last night that she was just trying to use this incident as an example of the fact that she believes she still experiences racism, just not in overt ways, which is something that she also said to me when we sat down last week as well because, as she puts it, nobody's going to come up and call her the "n" word to her face, but she says it does still show in other ways.
KEILAR: How odd, you were just sitting across from her, Nischelle Turner --
KEILAR: And just talking about this.
KEILAR: Let me ask you on the flipside though, we know that this store clerk who I guess was involved in this whole thing, she or he is now talking as well. What are they saying?
TURNER: Well, something to consider here as well is that Oprah did not name the store, the employee publicly, any of that. It was the media who figured out exactly which store and which clerk she was talking about. Now that clerk is now talking to a Swiss newspaper. And the store is making -- and saying that the store is making an effort to treat everyone with the same respect in the same way.
And they deny that she ever told Oprah Winfrey that the bag was too expensive for her. Here's what she says, She says she had the bag in her hand and that was the exact same bag that was on display except that it was -- it cost less. It was made of a different material. So she tried to steer Oprah towards that bag, which sounds kind of like what Oprah was saying. In essence, her defense seems to be, the bag Oprah wanted was overpriced and she tried to steer her towards a better buy, believe it or not. But to me, if I'm a salesperson, I'm trying to sell the most expensive items in the store.
BALDWIN: Right. I'm thinking Oprah Winfrey can afford that expensive bag.
HOLMES: You'd think. Yes. You'd think --
TURNER: I'm not going to do you a favor.
HOLMES: Exactly. It's all about the commission. But, yes, she also says, I mean she speaks predominantly Italian. That's her native tongue.
HOLMES: And she says some stuff got lost in translation too. That's what she did say.
TURNER: You know, and I did ask that last week last week, could there have been a language barrier here --
TURNER: That one side thought they were saying something, the other side thought they were saying something. Perhaps. But, you know, both sides definitely feel the way they feel. And actually the news -- the clerk at the store says that she offered to resign but the manager said no and was standing by her.
BALDWIN: OK. Thanks, Nischelle.
HOLMES: Yes, all right, good. Thanks, Nischelle.
BALDWIN: Thank you.
HOLMES: All right, here is more of what we are working on this hour for AROUND THE WORLD.
A gunman opens fire at a mosque in Nigeria. It's not the first time this has happened. Up next, we're going to look at the security threat that continues in that country.
BALDWIN: Also ahead, Germany's chancellor is taking on a new job. That's right. Angela Merkel, history teacher? Her lesson is ahead.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don't let the Disney (ph) princess hair fool you.
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HOLMES: She went where no other Saudi woman has gone before, the top of the world. We'll have that as well.
BALDWIN: I love this.
HOLMES: Welcome back. Making news AROUND THE WORLD right now, there's been more violence in Cairo, downtown, supporters of the deposed Egyptian president, Mohamed Morsy, fighting with other residents and those who were against Mr. Morsy. And, also, the police got involved, security forces responding, eventually, with tear gas.
BALDWIN: For weeks, Morsy supporters have set up these camps in Cairo, full of families. They are protesting the military coup that toppled the country's first democratically elected president last month.
And we're getting word today about this fire at a prison in the (INAUDIBLE) region of Chile. It apparently started after a fight among inmates.
HOLMES: Yeah, this happens there every now and then, doesn't it? Bed sheet, paper set on fire. No word on injuries at the moment. We're monitoring this. We'll let you know if there's any developments.
BALDWIN: Also, there is no official word on who was behind that massacre at a mosque in Nigeria, but a militant Islamist group that has carried out other attacks is boasting that it's gaining strength.
HOLMES: Authorities say at least 44 people were killed as they prayed when gunmen attacked the mosque on Sunday, another 26 taken to hospital, some in critical condition.
Nima Elbagir is following the story from Nairobi, Kenya, joins us, again.
Now to the casual observer, this is a baffling thing. You've got Boko Haram, an Islamist group, attacking a mosque, but in reality it's not the first time this has happened, is it?
NIMA ELBAGIR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No, absolutely, Michael. There really does seem to be a growing tide against Boko Haram in northern Nigeria. People just simply are exhausted with the endless cycles of violence, retaliations.
The border state where this attack happened, they've been under a state of emergency since May and under a complete communications black out, which, as you can imagine, only heightens that sense of insecurity and fear.
So we're hearing from local sources that young men in the communities are coming together, they're arming themselves and they're fighting back.
And this seems to be -- this attack on that mosque seems to be in retaliation for that, for these vigilante groups that are sprouting up.
And, indeed, the Boko Haram leader in a message that he released over the weekend, the day before information about this attack started to emerge, he said whether Christian or Muslim, we will kill all those that stand in our way, the way that, of course, they claim is the true path of Islam.
So we're seeing a lot of these retaliation attacks against vigilante groups, but also against those that the militants suspect of collaborating with the government against them, Michael.
HOLMES: Right. And, Nima, too, this is as a military campaign is under way against Boko Haram. How is that working out? It's not going very well, is it, three months or so in?
ELBAGIR: It really isn't, and this has been going on for a while. Boko Haram has been waging this horrific campaign of terror since 2009 and nothing has been out of limits for them.
The United Nations headquarters, one of the worst atrocities against the U.N., in which 24 people were killed, that happened in Abuja, Nigeria, in 2011, and Boko Haram claimed responsibility for that.
Schools, government buildings, houses of worship, both Christian and Muslim, and every year, the Nigerian government says that it really is tackling this with the help of the United States, that have designated Boko Haram as a terrorist entity. But there doesn't seem to be an end in sight at the moment, Michael.
HOLMES: All right, Nima, thanks so much, Nima Elbagir there.
And the U.S. put a $7 million bounty on the head of the leader of Boko Haram. He, in that video that Nima was mentioning, basically scoffing at that.
BALDWIN: Still to come, Mt. Everest, anyone? How about the first Saudi woman to climb Mt. Everest?
Still to come, people called her crazy. They underestimated her, but, alas, she did it. We have the behind the scene footage of one fascinating journey.
HOLMES: All right, going to tell you now about a 27-year-old who made history, becoming the first Saudi woman to reach the top of the world's highest mountain.
BALDWIN: She is Raha Moharrak. She reached the summit of Mt. Everest in May, translation, 29,000 feet.
HOLMES: Oh, is that all? BALDWIN: That's it. No problem. She says she didn't start out to be a poster child for anything, but she ended up clearly as an inspiration for many.
HOLMES: Yeah, Becky Anderson talked to her about her amazing achievement and how she got there. It's an extraordinary situation, and with Saudi -- we've seen in the Middle East, too, we've seen women making some great strides. And where was it? It was the Olympics last time. I think it was a Saudi. It was a Saudi woman who was at the Olympics last summer.
BALDWIN: She was, but it was funny. We were talking in the commercial break and, for anyone who is curious about Mt. Everest, you know, the thing is is so many people are trying to do this, and it's incredible she's from Saudi Arabia and that's what makes this story so unique. But so many people now are doing it, you were saying so many bottlenecks. You have to wait.
HOLMES: It's getting crowded. There are queues of people on ...
BALDWIN: Queues, lines.
HOLMES: Lines. Sorry. Sorry, in your language, lines of people.
And there has also been a big problem with pollution because all of these people are going up there and climbing Mt. Everest in the dozens, hundreds, are leaving stuff behind as well.
BALDWIN: Do you think you could do this?
HOLMES: Yeah. Well, all right, we're going to have a bit more on this later.
BALDWIN: So now, let's talk Germany, right?
BALDWIN: So from the chancellor of Germany to a history teacher, Angela Merkel in the classroom, coming up next.
HOLMES: And I'm not sure if Angela Merkel would qualify, but CNNMoney has ranked the best countries in the world for working parents.
Germany didn't make the short list. Neither did the United States.
BALDWIN: Neither did the United States. So who did? Take a look. Here are a couple of them.
Iceland, one of the top countries. It has the highest rates of working moms in the world. Sweden, up there, its maternity benefits, they can extend not just for a year, years.
HOLMES: Yeah, and for the guys as well, too.
France makes the list, generous benefits to encourage population growth and it is working. France has, actually, the highest birth rate in Europe.
Two more countries to tell you about, including a U.S. neighbor, after this.