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Tent Camps Turn into War Zone; Indian Submarine Explodes, Sinks; UPS Plane Crashes; Russian Gay Rights; Bradley Manning Sentencing; Pistorius To Be Indicted; Turmoil in Egypt
Aired August 14, 2013 - 12:00 ET
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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: That's what protesters are saying in Egypt after tent camps turned into war zones. We're live on the ground in Cairo.
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Also, there have been deaths. How many, we don't know, after an explosion on a submarine. The latest on the rescue efforts in India coming up.
WHITFIELD: And, fire and explosions in Alabama. A massive cargo plane crashes on a street.
Welcome to AROUND THE WORLD. I'm Fredricka Whitfield, in for Suzanne Malveaux today.
HOLMES: Good to have you here. I'm Michael Holmes. Thanks for your company, everyone. We'd like to welcome our viewers in the United States and indeed around the world. Let's begin in Egypt.
Tanks, tear gas, gunfire, the crackdown against supporters of the ousted Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy grows bloodier, more intense every hour. Arwa Damon actually had to dodge gunfire during a live report with me from Cairo a short time ago on CNN International.
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ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: For some of the hard core supporters, we will see them out there continuously (INAUDIBLE). But then at the same time you have -
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HOLMES: And, fortunately, indeed, they were all OK. Obviously a very volatile and dangerous situation unfolding in Egypt.
WHITFIELD: Let's, in fact, go to Arwa Damon right now, hopefully in a safer situation. But, of course, with their protective gear there from our Reza Sayah.
So, Arwa, give us an idea, you know, what is taking place. You're at a clinic, right, where people who have been wounded are being treated?
ARWA DAMON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we are. And basically we're in the same spot where we were earlier in the day. People here are telling us, though, that the shooting in this area stopped around two to three hours ago.
Now, we're at a clinic that is on the outskirts of part of what has emerged now at this site. Pro-Morsy demonstrators gathering in other places. Opposition (ph) cleared out of (INAUDIBLE) earlier in the day and they said that maybe the (INAUDIBLE) this clinic --
WHITFIELD: (INAUDIBLE) there. Arwa Damon, it's a little difficult to understand her right there, clearly. It's a very crowded situation.
Instead, let's go to Reza Sayah, who we saw with the helmet on. Still a very volatile situation.
HOLMES: Indeed it is.
Reza, you've been covering this for hours out on the street there. And because of the volume of fire, yes, protective gear is appropriate. Tell us, what has been happening in the last little while? The security forces cleared one square. That wasn't the end of it by a long way.
REZA SAYAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Michael. And this is the newest information we're getting. According to witness accounts, it looks like Egyptian security forces have indeed cleared out much of this second pro-Morsy demonstration here at the location in east Cairo where we are.
This has just been an incredibly awful day. It's difficult to describe the despair, the outrage, the grief and the bloodshed. I personally have never witnessed anything like this before.
Let's describe to you where we are. We're about - and by the way, we should - we should point out, every time you hear a car honking and racing through this crowd, if you look inside, you see another victim. You see another casualty. Sometimes you see fatalities. What this street has become is a thoroughfare, seemingly one of the few safe exits out of here. And what we're seeing is people pour out of the (INAUDIBLE) sit-in. And then you have the vehicles, the motorcycles carrying victims, carrying the casualties.
We've heard a lot of disturbing accounts of what has happened there. Perhaps one of the most disturbing accounts is witnesses telling us that in a local hospital here, the makeshift clinic about a couple of hours ago security forces went in and disrupted the volunteer doctors who were treating some of the victims there.
I have one of the volunteer doctors with me. Bear with me here.
Now, you were at (INAUDIBLE) hospital, which is just a few blocks away from here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. Yes.
SAYAH: You were volunteering, treating the patients and then what happened? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They came at 5:00 --
SAYAH: Who's they?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A group of armed officers in black gear wearing bullet proof vests and with live ammunition guns.
SAYAH: And what did they tell you? What did they do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They gave us and everybody in the hospital, they gave us a five minute notice to leave the whole hospital, a seven- story hospital full of injured people and very serious cases.
SAYAH: And just to be clear, you were treating seriously injured patients?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. And I was treating people with abdominal injuries, chest injuries and head injuries.
SAYAH: What kind of injuries? How - what kind of injuries are we talking about? Bullet wounds? What are we talking about?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bullet wounds. Bullet wounds and the (INAUDIBLE) the pellet - pellet wounds.
SAYAH: The bird shot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I (INAUDIBLE) --
SAYAH: So what did you tell them?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I admitted a few cases with their brains completely outside their --
SAYAH: I understand. Did you ask these security officers to allow you to continue to treat these patients?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did. I said to their commander --
SAYAH: What did they say?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I said - I said to their commander, to the commanding officers, I look to him with tears in my eyes and said, do you expect me, as a doctor, to lever the injured people on the floor?
SAYAH: And what did he tell you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bleeding through their -- he say it's none of your business and pushed me with his gun. He literally pushed the doctors out of the hospital at gunpoint.
SAYAH: And what happened to the patients there?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know. I don't know what happened to the people. We had to leave them bleeding on the floor.
SAYAH: Yes. And what -- how many bodies were there? When you walked through the hospital, describe what - a death toll (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had many rooms for storing dead bodies. (INAUDIBLE) dead people. And I asked myself, I asked (INAUDIBLE) and carrying with my own hands some of the dead bodies to the dead room. The rooms that we staged (ph) were full. Upstairs, up to the seventh floor. They had intensive care unit. They estimated that at least 3,500 people were killed and admitted and 65 (ph) dead inside (INAUDIBLE).
SAYAH: OK. Thank you, doctor.
It's important to point out that there's a lot of numbers going around, staggering death tolls, and it's impossible to verify which death tolls are accurate. But, again, the latest information, it looks like security forces, according to witness accounts, have clear out the raba (ph) sit-in and thousands of people heading out. But the night is not over. A lot of anger, emotions running high, guys.
WHITFIELD: OK. Reza Sayah, thank you so much.
And, of course, that's just one of the problems in trying to get a clear kind of line of this story, the numbers have changed. You heard from that doctor saying 3,500 people. We're getting information, 149 people confirmed dead since that patrol (ph). It's likely to rise.
HOLMES: That's the government. The government figures is about 150 and 500 wounded. But the Muslim Brotherhood figures have been skyrocketing all day. They said as many as a couple of thousand, up to 10,000 wounded, which are remarkable and perhaps figures to be skeptical of. The reality is, we don't know. We can't independently confirm any of those numbers.
HOLMES: But the health ministry number at the moment is 149 dead over 500 wounded. But as you say, the Muslim Brotherhood, the doctors on the streets, they say differently.
WHITFIELD: Yes, bottom line, people are being injured, people are being killed.
Our Arwa Damon, we're going to try this one more time, is at a clinic where people have been treated and are being treated. She's joining us right now on the phone.
Arwa, give us an idea of the people who are being treated there, what kinds of injuries. And at the same time, this coming on the heels of a very close call for you and your crew ducking bullets during a hail of gunfire.
DAMON (via telephone): Yes, and this is basically emerging as yet another sit-in site. And we are at the clinic that is attached to it on the back end of the mosque here.
Now, medical staff here told us that they've treated around a thousand people. That's an incredibly high number for the volume of people that was here to begin with because nowhere near Raba (ph), where Reza is. But still they're saying they've treated around 1,000 people. Eight hundred of them, they're saying, were gunshot wounds.
Additionally they're saying that here in this clinic, makeshift clinic, they had around 22 bodies earlier in the day. Most of this happening in the early afternoon and in the morning when people were moving out of the other sit-in sites that got cleared very quickly. And then the march grew. It came to this location. It's not all that far away. They're tried to set themselves up here. And then as we experienced, when we were here earlier in the day, a fair amount of gunfire taking place in the streets.
Right now there are clashes that are happening between these pro-Morsy demonstrators. Now one of the streets of (INAUDIBLE) away from here between (INAUDIBLE) and between (INAUDIBLE) in the area, we're seeing more clashes. We're seeing more intense clashes. And we're seeing them spreading. Not only to include the security forces and the pro-Morsy demonstrators, but also anti-Morsy residence, individuals as well. So there's a civilian element to all of this violence. Civilians getting actively involved.
HOLMES: And, Arwa, too, we should report to people too, what we have in effect for the last couple of hours now is a state of emergency that is being called by the interim government. There is a curfew that's been announced to Cairo and other parts of the country. And in the last few minutes, Arwa, we've heard that Mohamed ElBaradei has quit the government, the interim government. This is a liberal, if you like, secular politician known very well in the west. What do all of those things add up to you in terms of where this government is going?
DAMON: Well, there's a few things here, Michael. First of all, one gets the sense that this is, in fact, just the beginning. This situation in Egypt is not going to stabilize any time soon. It's not -- that's not the sense that one gets.
That announcement of ElBaradei's resignation, it was actually broadcast from the mosque speakers here and everyone around us began cheering.
This interim government, this is novel (ph) territory for it. It's never had to deal with this kind of situation in the past. Even for the military, to a certain degree, this is all a bit new. They're used to the heavy hands. If it was up to them, they probably would have gone in and crushed the demonstrations back when they first began well over a month ago. They've been forced to play politics.
And for the Muslim Brotherhood, it's been an existential battle. This is also all part and parts of a bigger challenge facing Egypt in terms of reclaiming its identity.
There's someone who's just been brought in here, carried in here. Another person (INAUDIBLE) to has been wounded. I can't quite see the extent of his injuries from where we are, but he's been taken into one of the rooms here, being treated by the doctors right now.
WHITFIELD: All right, Arwa, keep us posted on this. Clearly lots of injuries. Difficult to keep track of the numbers. But bottom line we know many people are being injured, may people are being killed in all this struggle for power there.
WHITFIELD: All right, meantime, among those killed we understand that a colleague - a former colleague, a cameraman was killed today while covering that violence in Egypt. That by the name of Mick Deane.
HOLMES: Yes. We know him too. He actually was working for Sky News, the British based broadcaster. He had been working for them for 15 years based in Washington, Jerusalem, but known to many of us at trouble spots around the world. He actually worked for us, CNN, in both our Rome bureau, in our London bureau as well. He was a long time cameraman. He actually covered the civil war in Beirut with our own Jim Clancy at one point.
His producer says that he was shot by what the producer says was a sniper on the government's side as he was lifting his camera to his shoulder. He was hit just below the heart in his chest area. Did not die immediately, but died pretty soon afterwards.
Also, a Reuters photojournalist shot and wounded. Hit in the leg, we understand. She's being treated at a hospital. And Arab media also reporting another journalist may also have been shot as this day continues.
WHITFIELD: Terrible situation.
WHITFIELD: So this coup that removed President Mohamed Morsy from office lit the fuse that set off this very crisis that's unfolding right now.
HOLMES: Yes. Our Ivan Watson was there during the coup. He's going to join us a little later this hour for some more context on what this means, what is likely to happen next, what it means for the region as well.
HOLMES: Gunfire and explosions continue to echo across Cairo today. The city is going to be under a curfew tonight.
It's already under state of emergency which went into effect about two hours ago, Egyptian security forces battling supporters of the ousted president, Mohamed Morsy.
WHITFIELD: In fact, the violence erupted when security forces raided two camps filled with Morsy supporters.
They bulldozed tents and carried hundreds of protesters away, but some refused to leave and then chaos erupted.
HOLMES: One protester told our own Reza Sayah, quote, "It's an open war." That sentiment being echoed around Cairo in many areas.
Egyptian television saying that the health ministry has put the number of dead at 149, more than 500 wounded.
We have to say that the Muslim Brotherhood puts their number dead much, much higher than that.
We have correspondents on the scene around the city. We'll bring you the latest developments as they happen.
WHITFIELD: Again, we want to welcome our international viewers. Here we are, AROUND THE WORLD, giving you the latest headlines.
On to India now, military investigators are trying to figure out what caused an explosion that killed several sailors there.
HOLMES: Yeah, this happened at a navy base in Mumbai. There you go. There's some video there.
Something blew up on this submarine. About 18 people, we're told, were on board.
Mallika Kapur is in Mumbai. Mallika, tell us, first of all, the latest on this and a little bit about the sub. This thing had just been renovated.
MALLIKA KAPUR, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Michael.
This vessel had just been renovated, but before that let me update you on the rescue operation. It is very much ongoing at the moment.
We did hear from the chief admiral of India's navy a little while ago and he told us that navy divers have reached the vessel. They have managed to open the hatch, which is the main way to enter the submarine, and that is a relief because there was some talk earlier that they might have -- that the navy divers might have to cut through the steel of the submarine to be able to access it.
That isn't the case. They've been able to open the hatch and the focus now is on pumping water out of the vessel. The vessel has been flooded, and they want to get water out. They want to create water- tight compartments inside the vessel.
The idea is to make the vessel as light as possible so that it floats so that it rises to the surface, so that the investigators and the rescue operations can have a good look around and try to figure out what went wrong, but most importantly, to try to reach the 18 people who are still trapped inside.
Authorities say that they haven't had any word from these 18 crew members since the explosions went off for almost 24 hours ago. So while it doesn't look terribly optimistic, they haven't given up any hope about their well-being yet.
WHITFIELD: Wow, terribly dangerous situation. Keep us posted, Mallika Kapur. Thank you so much from Mumbai. HOLMES: Another fiery disaster today, this one was in the southeastern United States.
WHITFIELD: Birmingham, Alabama, in fact, that's where an Airbus A300 crashed this morning on approach to the airport. The plane belonged to UPS. It was carrying cargo, not passengers.
HOLMES: Yeah, but the two crewmembers were killed, the pilot and co- pilot. This plane went down about half a mile or so from the end of the runway. Didn't hit any buildings. Nobody on the ground was hurt.
Now, of course, investigators are all over the scene, trying to find clues as to what happened.
WHITFIELD: All right, more of what we're working on this hour for AROUND THE WORLD. It's dangerous time to be gay or even to speak out for gay rights in Russia.
HOLMES: Yeah, we're going to hear from a news anchor who was fired after coming out on air.
WHITFIELD: Russia's new anti-gay laws are triggering outrage around the world. Gay pride events are banned and it's illegal to defend gay rights or provide minors any information about homosexual relationships.
HOLMES: Creating a big stir there and around the world.
And gays aren't protected in the workplace. In the case of one man, that discrimination extremely public.
We're talking about Anton Krasovsky. He's a TV anchor in Russia who dared come out on air. He was immediately fired.
WHITFIELD: In fact, he told CNN's Becky Anderson gay Russians need support, but not in the form of an Olympic boycott.
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ANTON KRASOVSKY, RUSSIAN TV PERSONALITY: Russian gay people need international support, but international support is not a boycott of such Olympic games.
Olympic games is an international event. It's not a Russian event. It's not a personal event of Mr. Putin.
It's an event of million and millions of people, people in Russia. I just want to remind that seven million people in Russia are gays.
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HOLMES: Another TV anchor in Russia coming under fire for things he said during a broadcast last year. This video went viral just recently. Take a look. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DMITRY KISELEV, RUSSIAN TV ANCHOR (via translator): I believe it's not enough to impose fines on gays for engaging in the propaganda of homosexuality among adolescents.
We need ban them from donating blood and sperm. And if they die in car accidents, we need to bury their hearts in the ground or burn them, as they are unsuitable for the aiding of anyone's life.
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WHITFIELD: Dmitry Kiselev insists, after all that, he's not homophobic. He says he was simply supporting medical rules designed to prevent HIV-positive men from donating blood or organs.
HOLMES: Unbelievable, isn't it?
All right, listen to this, tear gas and gunfire, security forces moving in on two protest camps in Cairo, bulldozing tents, hauling away demonstrators, the latest on the violence in Egypt, still to come.
WHITFIELD: U.S. Army Private Bradley Manning may have the chance to speak today on the record.
HOLMES: Yeah, the American soldier, of course, has already been convicted of stealing classified documents and leaking them to the world.
Right now, the sentencing phase of his military court-martial is going on outside of Washington.
WHITFIELD: Manning has been allowed to speak twice before during the trial. Today he's scheduled to take the stand, again, while the judge considers what punishment to hand down.
Even though he was not convicted of aiding the enemy, he was found guilty of spying.
HOLMES: Manning could get the maximum penalty, which happens to be 90 years in prison.
Now the Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius will be indicted next week in his girlfriend's death. In the South African legal system that means the case will be moved from a lower to a higher court.
WHITFIELD: Pistorius is already charged with premeditated murder. The track star shot and killed his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, in his home on Valentine's Day. He said he thought she was an intruder.
HOLMES: Pistorius is going to be served on Monday. That will happen during a court appearance. No dates during the trial, though. We're following the turmoil, of course, in Egypt after security forces raided two camps occupied by supporters of the ousted president, Mohamed Morsy.
WHITFIELD: In fact, they bulldozed tents and carried hundreds of protesters away, but some refused to leave and then chaos erupted.
HOLMES: Egyptian television says 149 people have been killed, more than 1,400 is now the official number of wounded.
The Muslim Brotherhood puts both of those figures much, much higher.