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Blade Runner Indicted for Murder; Britain Detains Partner of Leaks Reporter; Diana Death Claim Accuses Military; Prince William Interview; New Al Qaeda Threat

Aired August 19, 2013 - 12:00   ET


SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Emotional moments in a South African courtroom. Oscar Pistorius wipes away tears as the court indicts him for the murder of his girlfriend.

And Glenn Greenwald broke the story about the U.S. secret surveillance programs. Well, now he says that British authorities tried to intimidate him by detaining his partner for nine hours at a London Airport.

And for the first time since his son was born, Prince William talking about fatherhood and changing diapers and going back to work.

Welcome to AROUND THE WORLD. I'm Suzanne Malveaux.

IVAN WATSON, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Ivan Watson, filling in for Michael Holmes, who we hope is having a great vacation right now.

MALVEAUX: Yes. So nice to see you in person --

WATSON: Thanks.

MALVEAUX: Not dodging bullets in Cairo or in Turkey.

WATSON: And no tear gas on the set.

MALVEAUX: All right. Good deal.

He is an Olympic track star, a double amputee known as "the blade runner." Well, she was his girlfriend, this glamorous model with a promising career. Well, today, prosecutors indicted him for killing her on Valentine's Day. The saga of Oscar Pistorius and Reeva Steenkamp reads like a Hollywood movie script. But this, it is a real life tragedy. Pistorius insists he accidental shot and killed Steenkamp in his home after he mistook her for an intruder. But prosecutors say it was premeditated murder. I want to bring in Robyn Curnow, in court for today's hearing. And she joins us live from Pretoria, South Africa.

Robyn, tell us, what was this like to see him and to realize, this was her 30th birthday and now he has been indicted for killing her.

ROBYN CURNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, it's a very small courtroom in this building behind me, so it's claustrophobic even at the best of times. But this courtroom was jammed full of reporters and cameras. A wall of cameras met Pistorius when he came in to the dock (ph).

And so much so I think it was so sort of abrasive to him that he turned his back. And when he did that, he held the hand of his sister and his brother, who were sitting behind him in the dock. And they seemed to be praying. And a number of times through that, he also seemed to be crying. So very emotional scenes. He - and this was all before he was formally indicted, I might just add.

But what adds quite a poignant aspect to all of this was just, less than a meter away from him in a different row of this court sat friends of Reeva SteenKamp, the family that she had been living with at the time of her death. And, of course, they wanted to remember that this was her birthday and that - that is - you know, should also -- light should also be cast on the fact that somebody has been lost and it wasn't just about this, you know, tragic story of a fallen hero. So I think from both sides, from the Pistorius side and from the Steenkamp side, a real realization of what has been lost here.

MALVEAUX: And, Robyn, we learned more details about the prosecution's case. The list of potential witnesses now, including more than a hundred people. Does that suggest that this is a strong case for them or they are going to have to call a lot of people to put this thing together?

CURNOW: You know I think that's -- that's the big question. I mean are they so confident that they really just want to nail this and want to get a conviction no matter what, or is this an indication that they're going to have to rely on circumstantial evidence because perhaps the forensic evidence really doesn't back up this charge of premeditated and planned murder. I mean that's the kind of question a lot of analysts are saying and putting that, you know, and raising that. So much so I spoke to Kelly Phelps. She's a legal analyst here in South Africa, a law professor at the University of Capetown (ph). Listen to what she had to say.


KELLY PHELPS, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: If they do end up calling all 107 witnesses, this could be a very, very long trial. After all, the defense will want to rebut the evidence of the state's witnesses. They'll be calling their own witnesses as well. And this -- it's a very unusual number of witnesses to have on a list at this stage.


CURNOW: So unusual but, of course, this hasn't been a trial or a case that's at all usual since that tragic Valentine's Day shooting. So she says potentially a long trial. That's more than months, she says. Potentially years. But it all kicks off, it all starts on March the 3rd next year.

MALVEAUX: All right, Robyn, thank you. Appreciate it. We'll be watching.

WATSON: Now, is it a case of retaliation or a government protecting itself from a potential threat. The man who broke this story about secret NSA surveillance programs says authorities who took his partner into custody at London's Heathrow Airport are going to, quote, "regret what they did." You may remember Glen Greenwald. He's the reporter who broke the spying story in "The Guardian" newspaper using information leaked from American contractor Edward Snowden, whose now living in Russia.

His partner, David Miranda, who you see here on the left, he was detained and questioned for nearly nine hours last night while passing through the airport on his way home to Brazil, where he and Greenwald live. Police say he was held under an anti-terrorism law. Greenwald says that going after journalists families is going too far and he says he won't be intimidated.

Atika Shubert joins us live from London.

Atika, tell us more about what happened and why British authorities are saying they detained Greenwald's partner.

ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, basically, David Miranda was in Berlin. He was saying with Laura Poitras, who is another documentary filmmaker who has met Snowden before. She was part of that original leak that came out about the NSA. And he was then transiting through London Heathrow Airport when he was detained by British Police at around 8:00 in the morning. They did not release him until 5:00 in the evening.

Now, when you consider that 97 percent of the cases of people being stopped under this terrorism act are released within less than an hour, it really goes to show what an unusual case this is. He was kept for the fall nine hours. Only one in 2,000 cases does that ever happen to. So what people are asking now is, why was that the case? And it has outraged Brazilian diplomats and British MPs are saying this was an abuse of law. His DVDs, phone and laptop were taken and the only questions he were asked, according to Glenn Greenwald, were all about Edward Snowden and those NSA leaks, Ivan.

WATSON: And this raises some huge implications if you're pulling in journalists or the spouses or partners of journalists and perhaps their parents on links to terrorism, that says a lot about freedom of speech, press and expression, doesn't it?

SHUBERT: Well, exactly. And so this is why so many MPs here, members of parliament, are asking, why was he taken in this way. What were they looking for? There's some question as to whether or not he was carrying possible information or documents. "The Guardian." For example, did say they paid for his flights. But even then, many politicians here are saying that is still no reason to bring him in under this terrorism act.

Now, in the meantime, Glenn Greenwald has said that he will not be intimidated, he will not be bullied. In fact, he had this to say when he came - when he - when David Miranda arrived at Rio Airport. He said, quote, Glenn Greenwald said, "I am going to write my stories a lot more aggressively now. I am going to publish many more documents now. I am going to publish a lot about England too. I have a lot of documents about espionage - the espionage system in England. And now my focus is going to be that as well."

So it does seem that Glenn Greenwald is saying basically he has a lot more information and as a result of the treatment of his partner, he will be bringing out a lot more documents.

WATSON: Thank you, Atika. So potential intimidation, as some charge, from the British authorizes. And potential threats, now, from Glenn Greenwald to publish some more embarrassing documents.

MALVEAUX: Yes. And you wonder just how - how wide the net is going to be. I mean if they can intimidate him and intimidate his partner, are these going to be others who also are going to be intimidated as well?

WATSON: Absolutely.

MALVEAUX: All right.

WATSON: And what happens if we publish leaks? Could our partners be detained?

MALVEAUX: Yes, good - all good questions.

Tensions, they are simmering now. This is in Egypt. More violence erupting and protests, they continue. Suspected militants, they ambush two buses. This is in Sinai Peninsula. This happened just today. Now, (INAUDIBLE) TV is reporting that 25 soldiers were killed in this attack on the border between Egypt and Gaza. Yesterday, at least 36 jail members of the Muslim Brotherhood were killed. The interior ministry says they died in an attempted jailbreak.

About 900 people have been killed just in this past week, but that did not stop members of the Muslim Brotherhood from protesting over the weekend. The violence started when the military raided two camps occupied by supporters of ousted President Mohamed Morsy.

Well, President Obama, he is now under pressure from some to cut off U.S. military aid to Egypt all together. It could create a whole new set of problems, however. So we want to talk with a Middle East expert, Fawad Jerges (ph), later this hour about the diplomatic dilemma that the United States is now facing.

WATSON: Right. And then U.N. inspectors are in Syria right now. They'll try to determine if chemical weapons have been used during the country's civil war. The war's been going on for more than two years. In June, the White House said Syrian government forces had crossed a red line by using chemical weapons, including the nerve agent sarin gas, against forces.

MALVEAUX: And now to the eastern India, where an express train slammed into a crowd killing at least 28 people. Just look that the. Unbelievable video there. You'll see the smoke billowing. Many of these victims Hindu pilgrims. They were headed to holy sites across the country. Well, authorities say that the people, they were getting off a local passenger train, you see it there, when the express train just hit them. Railway officials say that those who saw the accident, well, they're actually furious. They set the express train on fire and they beat the driver as well.

Here's more of what we're working on for AROUND THE WORLD. New allegations now fueling conspiracy theories about the death of Princess Diana and the car crash that killed her. We're going to go live to London for the latest and the claim that British special forces were directly involved.

Plus, Princess Diana's son all grown up, of course, and a new dad. Well now he's talking about the challenges and all of that, fatherhood, and that impressive moment when he took his wife and baby home from the hospital.


PRINCE WILLIAMS: Believe me, it wasn't my first time. And I know there's been speculation about it. I had to practice. I really did. I was terrified that I was going to do some - you know, it was going to fall off or it wasn't going to close properly.



In London, authorities are looking into a new conspiracy theory in the death of Princess Diana. Did the British military have something to do with the car crash that killed Diana, her boyfriend and their driver 16 years ago in Paris. Erin McLaughlin reports police are not re- opening the case, but they are reviewing this new claim.


ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): New questions launched by a shocking new allegation claiming British special forces were behind the death of Princess Diana and her boyfriend, Dodi Fayed. It's the latest conspiracy theory about Diana's death, coming almost 16 years after that horrific, middle of night car crash. A high speed paparazzi chase through a tunnel in Paris with a deadly end.

Scotland Yard put out a statement saying it is, quote, "scoping" new information, "assessing its relevance and credibility." According to the British newspaper "The Sunday People," the claim surfaced in a seven page letter written by the estranged in-law of an unidentified special forces sniper. In a handwritten letter they allege their former son-in-law boasted that the British SAS was behind the deaths.

MARK SAUNDERS, ROYAL ANALYST: People don't want to believe that somebody as beloved as Princess Diana can just die in a road accident. It just isn't enough. they want more.

MCLAUGHLIN: Scotland Yard has made it clear, for the moment the new claims will not reopen the exhaustive investigation, which concluded that Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed were killed by the gross negligence of their driver and that the paparazzi chasing them that night.

Buckingham Palace is not commenting but those who know the royal family have been quick to dismiss the claim. DICKIE ARBITER, FORMER ROYAL FAMILY PRESS SECRETARY: There's not a lot they can do about it. There will always be people coming out with conspiracy theories and the best they can do is just get on with their lives in a normal way.


MCLAUGHLIN: The 16th anniversary of Princess Diana's death is just days away. This information raising new questions about that tragic night in August when so many people had thought this had finally been put to rest.


WATSON: Erin McLaughlin, thanks for that report from London.

MALVEAUX: Diana's son, Prince William,. has given his first interview now since the birth of his son, George. And William, who is second in line to the British throne, he sat down with CNN royal correspondent Max Foster for a lively. personal one-on-one.

And, Max, we know that the prince is talking about being a dad, of course. He's very excited.

But I imagine, too, there's a reaction, family reaction, on this news that Scotland Yard now looking into this new claim about the death of his mother and who might be responsible.

Can you tell us, first of all, if there's any kind of response or reaction either from him or from other family?

MAX FOSTER, CNN ROYAL CORRESPONDENT: No response or reaction, officially, but certainly just from sort of speaking to them over the years, this is not the sort of news they'd want to hear. It's exactly what they want to leave behind.

They want to talk about Diana's legacy, Harry and William. They don't want to be talking about what happened that night. It was so difficult for them to get over. They are moving on, and this interview I did with William was part of that process.

It's about him becoming a father himself and really asserting himself as his own man, away from all of this. And he was on great form with the media for the first time really that I can remember.

And it's a shame that all of this Diana stuff has come up again. But it is, as Erin says, a police investigation of sorts, so it has to be taken seriously.

But in terms of William and the interview, I started off by asking about that huge bank of media that he faced as he came out hospital with his new family.


MCLAUGHLIN: The "Sunday People" is reporting it's had access to a seven-page handwritten letter from the in-laws of a special forces sniper who is yet to be named.

The letter was written following the breakdown of his marriage to their daughter and alleges that he boasted to his wife that the elite British SAS unit -


FOSTER: Problem with the tape there. Obviously, that was Erin's report again. showing those graphic images of Diana's car crash.

And when I talked to William about Diana, I did talk a bit about that because it was an interview based on conservation.

He talked about how his work and his charity work is very much about encouraging people to remember the legacy of Diana and for these sorts of things to keep coming up is sort of a worst nightmare.

Also because of the military involvement and Harry and William, huge supporters of the military and they wouldn't like the idea of them being involved in any way at all, of course.

But this is the positive side of William before this news came through, talking about leaving the hospital last month.


PRINCE WILLIAM, DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE: I think more shock and dauntingness was the feeling I felt. But it was -- the thing is it was -- I think I was on such a high anyway, and so was Catherine about George that really we were happy to show him off to whoever wanted to see him.

As any new parent knows, you're only too happy to show off your new child and, you know, pretend that he is the best looking or the best everything.

FOSTER: There's the baby, the new royal heir in the United Kingdom.

You were comfortable there?

WILLIAM: Yeah, I felt, again it's, it's not somewhere I enjoy being. I know that the position I'm in that's what's required of me to do.

And I think it's, you know, it's one of those things, I'm, you know, it's nice that people want to see George, so, you know, I'm just glad he wasn't screaming his head off the whole way through.

FOSTER: That moment when you came out with the car seat. I mean, we had some warning that you might be doing that.

Fathers around the planet will be cursing you for doing it so easily.

WILLIAM: Believe me, it wasn't my first time. And I know there's been speculation about that. I had to practice. I really did.

I was terrified that I was going to do some -- you know, it was going to fall off or the door wasn't going to close properly.

So I had actually practiced with that seat, but only once before.

FOSTER: And your decision to drive off. I remember that moment as well. That was the most nerve-wracking thing for me, having my family in the car.

But that was something that you were clearly determined to do.

WILLIAM: Where I can be I'm as independent I want to be, the same as Catherine and Harry. We've all grown up, you know, differently to other generations. And I very much feel if I can do it myself, I want to do it myself.

And there are times when you can't do it yourself and the system takes over, or it's appropriate to do things differently.

But I think driving your son and your wife away from hospital (inaudible) is very important to me. And I don't like fuss, so it's much easier to do it yourself.

FOSTER: And you didn't stall.

WILLIAM: I didn't -- well, it's an automatic, so that's all right.

FOSTER: The interpretation of the imagery we saw there AROUND THE WORLD was that this was a modern monarchy and a new way of monarchy.

But was it that? Are we reading too much into it? Is it just you doing it your way, you and your wife doing it your own way?

WILLIAM: I think so. I'm just doing it the way I know. And, you know, if it's the right way, then brilliant. If it's not wrong -- if it's the wrong way then I'll try to do it better.

But, you know, I'm just -- I'm quite -- I'm really headstrong about what I believe in and what I go for. And I've got6 fantastic people around me who give me great support and advice.

FOSTER: The prince says baby George is already quite a character.

WILLIAM: Well, yeah, he's a little bit of a rascal. We'll put it that it. So he either reminds me of my brother or me when I was younger. I'm not sure.

But he's doing very well at the moment. He does like to keep having his nappy changed and --

FOSTER: You did the first nappy?

WILLIAM: I did the first nappy, yeah.

FOSTER: It was actually a badge of honor.

WILLIAM: Was a badge of honor, exactly. I wasn't allowed to get away with it. I had every midwife staring at me, going, you do it, you do it.

He's a little -- he's growing quickly, actually. But he's a little fighter. He kind of -- he wriggles around quite a lot, and he doesn't want to get in his seat that much, which is a little bit of a problem.

But he's --

FOSTER: So you're up a lot at night?

WILLIAM: A little bit.

FOSTER: Pretty tired?

WILLIAM: Not as much as Catherine, but you know, she's doing a fantastic job.

FOSTER: How is she? OK?

WILLIAM: Yes, very well. For me, Catherine and our little George are my priorities, and Lupo, so --

FOSTER: I was going to ask you about Lupo. How's Lupo coping?

WILLIAM: He's coping all right, actually. As a lot of people know who have got dogs and bringing a newborn back, they take a little bit of time to adapt, but, no he's been all right so far. He's been slobbering sort of around the house a bit, so he's perfectly happy.

FOSTER: And how are you about going back to work?

WILLIAM: Well, as a few fathers might know, I'm actually quite looking forward to going back to work.

FOSTER: Get some sleep.

WILLIAM: Get some sleep. Exactly, yeah. So I'm just hoping the first few shifts I go back I don't have any night jobs.

FOSTER (voice-over): One of his great passions is saving endangered species in Africa. He has wants his son to experience the same Africa that he saw as a boy and a young man to spark in his son a passion for preserving the rarest wild animals much as his father did with him.

You talked about your father possibly whispering quietly in your ear as he -

WILLIAM: Sweet nothings.

FOSTER: -- as a young boy.

Are you going to do the same for Prince George because it's such, it's a cause that you care so deeply about. Would you like him to pick up on it?

WILLIAM: Probably. At this rate, I'll probably whisper sweet nothings in his ear. I'll have toy elephants and riders around the room. Cover it in sort of, you know, lot of bushes and things like that. Make him grow up as if he's in the bush.

FOSTER (voice-over): He says the possibility of his son carrying on royal family's legacy in Africa isn't his immediate concern.

WILLIAM: At the moment, the only legacy I want to pass on to him is to sleep more and maybe not change his nappy quite so many times.

FOSTER (voice-over): Like any new mother or father, parenthood has surprised and amazed Prince William.

WILLIAM: I think the last few weeks for me have been just a very different emotional experience, something I never thought I would feel myself.

And I find, again it's only been a short period, but a lot of things affect me differently now.


FOSTER: So, Suzanne, I think what you're really seeing there is a prince getting insight to what it's like to be an ordinary father. And that's what makes it such a sort of fascinating insight to see him being normal, I guess.

MALVEAUX: Yeah, it is so, so sweet actually when you hear him. He's just like everybody else, you know? I mean, royalty aside, and he changes the nappies, right, all those nappies? Diapers we call them here.

FOSTER: Diapers, nappies, whatever you want to call them.

MALVEAUX: He's eager to get back to work.

All right, Max, appreciate it. Great interview. Appreciate it.

And, of course, if you want to see more of it, it's part of a documentary, "Prince William's Passion -- New Father, New Hope." It's going to premiere on CNN September 15th.

And on a more serious note, a new set of threats contained in an al Qaeda video, we're going to tell you what the terror group is calling for and why the threats are being issued by someone who is American.


MALVEAUX: There are new threats emerging today from al Qaeda leaders. Adam Gadahn is the American-born spokesman for al Qaeda. He has released a 39-minute video.

He calls for more attacks on U.S. ambassadors AROUND THE WORLD. Gadahn also praises the assassination of the U.S. ambassador Chris Stephens, who was killed.

Brian Todd has been following developments for us. And, Brian, first of all, tell us about the video. You've seen it. What are some of the specific threats he's making? BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The specific threats, Suzanne, have to do with him inciting others to try to kill American ambassadors throughout the Middle East. That's one of the larger threats that he makes in this video.

As you mentioned Adam Gadahn, the American-born propagandist for al Qaeda made this video. It was posted over the weekend.

The Site Intelligence Group, a private, U.S.-based monitoring service, has the video on its website.

From all indications this is legitimate. But U.S. officials we've spoken with this morning have no immediate comment on it.

In this video, Gadahn, who was born in Winchester, California, defends the murder last year of U.S. ambassador to Libya, Chris Stephens. Take a listen.

Actually, we don't have that video tape. We do have it now. Take a listen.

All right. I'm told we don't have it. I apologize. But in it, he says that the ambassador was killed to avenge the believers and to enrage the criminals. Among other thing, he e also tries to incite al Qaeda militants to kill other ambassadors in the Middle East.

The video was produced in March of this year, but not posted until this weekend. So we're asking U.S. officials whether this might have played some role in the closing of U.S. embassies in the region a couple of weeks ago. So far, they haven't given us specifics on this.

Also of note, I spoke a few minutes ago to Adam Gadahn's mother on the telephone. I asked here how she felt about this video and about other videos that her son has made over the years.

She sounded very upset. She said she didn't want to speak to us and asked me not to call her number again and then hung up on us.


MALVEAUX: And Brian, very quickly, do we have any idea where he might be AROUND THE WORLD?

TODD: Our security analyst Peter Bergen says from the information he's been able to gather in speaking with U.S. officials, the most logical and likely place is Pakistan.

And so that could be -- you know, that's probably the most likely area where he could seek shelter now, but there aren't really a lot of specifics on that.

We have a little more about him. He's 35-years-old, as we mentioned, born in California. His parents were goat farmers. They changed their last name to Gadahn from the name Pearlman after they were married.

Adam Gadahn converted to Islam in 1995.

And, again, as for where he is Peter Bergen, our security analyst, says from the information he's been gathering he thinks the most likely place is Pakistan right now.

MALVEAUX: All right, Brian, thank you. Appreciate it.

Of course, we're going to watch for more developments throughout the afternoon here.

You can see more of Brian Todd's story about this tonight on "THE SITUATION ROOM." That is at 6:00 p.m. Eastern.

WATSON: Now here's more of what we're working on this hour for AROUND THE WORLD. As Egypt falls deeper into violence, the question intensifies: what should the U.S. do? We'll look at the options.

Stay with us.