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Mark Zuckerberg One on One; Man Shot by Police Speaks; Brothers Develop Discreet Epi-Pen; The Great Oreo Debate

Aired August 21, 2013 - 08:30   ET


CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to NEW DAY. It's Wednesday, August 21st. I'm Chris Cuomo.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Kate Bolduan. We're here with news anchor Michaela Pereira.

Coming up this half hour, an unarmed man shot at by police 15 times in his own driveway. He's now speaking out to CNN about that terrifying night.

CUOMO: Plus, it's not easy to get Mr. Mark Zuckerberg to sit for an interview, but we did it. Why? Well, because he has something he wants to talk about, that's why. The FaceBook chief is talking about his major new project. It's in an exclusive broadcast interview that we're going to tell you about.

But first, let's get to Michaela for the five things you need to know for your new day.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: All right, let's do it.

Syrian rebels are accusing the Assad regime of attacking them with chemical weapons. They claim the overnight bombardment of Damascus left hundreds of people dead or wounded. The Syrian government, for its part, denies those accusations.

Tragedy averted at a Decatur, Georgia, elementary school. A gunman barricaded himself inside with an AK-47 and other weapons, exchanging fire with police. Officers were able to take him in without anyone getting hurt.

Bradley Manning set to learn his fate today for the largest leak of classified information in American history. A judge will announce his sentence this morning. Private Manning faces up to 90 years in prison.

A Florida hearing in the perjury case involving George Zimmerman's wife, Shelly. She is accused of lying about their finances during a bond hearing for her husband. Shelly Zimmerman not expected in court today.

And at number five, Mike Tyson back in the boxing game, this time, though, as promoter. He'll be in a pre-fight press conference today for the first championship bout sponsored by Iron Mike Productions.

We're always updating those five things to know, so be sure to go to for the very latest.

CUOMO: All right. Now to our NEW DAY broadcast exclusive, getting everyone online. If that goal sounds like pie in the sky, remember who's saying they want to achieve it, FaceBook founder Mark Zuckerberg. Not even 30 years old yet, but he's already changed the world at least once. Here's what he told us about his plan to do it all over again.


CUOMO (voice-over): When you visit the FaceBook campus, you get the sense that anything is possible.

MARK ZUCKERBERG, FACEBOOK FOUNDER: We want the campus to feel like a little -- like a little city or village.

CUOMO: And now Zuckerberg wants to make the entire world like the FaceBook campus, in a way, by providing Internet access to the entire world. The idea is called Its target, the 5 billion people around the globe without access to the net.

ZUCKERBERG: I mean here we use things like FaceBook to share news and catch up with our friends. But there, they're going to use it to decide what kind of government they want, get access to health care for the first time ever, connect with family hundreds of miles away that they haven't seen in decades. Getting access to the Internet is a really big deal. I think we're going to be able to do it.

CUOMO: And the word "we" is the key word here because this isn't just about FaceBook. Zuckerberg has done something extraordinary to achieve the extraordinary. Reached out to the biggest players in social media and mobile data, aka his competitors in part, to work together.

CUOMO (on camera): How did those calls go?

ZUCKERBERG: It probably varies. But, I mean, in general, these are companies that we have deep relationships with and have worked with on a lot of things for a long time. So this kind of came out of all of the discussions that we had.

CUOMO (voice-over): So, a team of the best in the business is coming together. But for a task this size, uniting five times the global presence FaceBook has already, it's going to take a lot more.

CUOMO (on camera): What about the how? Like how -- how do you do this? Like how developed is the plan?

ZUCKERBERG: You know, we have a plan, a rough plan for what we think we're going to need to do to pull it off and, of course, the plan will evolve over time and we'll get better ideas. But, you know, if you look at the trends, I mean, data is becoming more available to people, right? Apps are getting more efficient to run. There are new business models to help more people get online.

CUOMO: It's also good for FaceBook and these other companies, right, because mobile access to the Internet is where your business lies, right?

ZUCKERBERG: You know, if we were just focused on making money, the first billion people that we've connected have way more money than the rest of the next 6 billion combined. It's not fair, but it's the way that it is. And we just believe that everyone deserves to be connected and on the Internet. So we were putting a lot of energy towards this.

CUOMO: People see you as somewhat of a comeback kid right now. Forget about the kid part, but just as a phrase, right? That, you know, you took some lumps and you found a way to come back. Are you aware of that? Do you feel that in yourself that like, you know, some people thought it wasn't going to happen. You know, that you'd had your run but look at me now. Do you get a sense of that?

ZUCKERBERG: Yes, you know, we've always just focused on building something great over the long term, right? So everyone at FaceBook, I just tell them, you know, come in and try to make the biggest impact that you can have. And if we keep building a service that people love and that more and more people use every day, which we seem to be doing pretty well at, then we're going to be fine over time, and that's our focus in terms of building the company.

CUOMO: Hard to do, though, when you hit the bumps in the road, though, right? I mean it's a great message when everything is OK.

ZUCKERBERG: It's especially important when you hit the bumps.

CUOMO: So when not trying to connect the world to the Internet, you have to run one of the biggest companies. And when you want a distraction from that, you've decided to take on the easy task of immigration policy in the United States. Why are you wading into those waters?

ZUCKERBERG: When we were first talking about doing this, a lot of people actually were worried that it was going to be a problem for FaceBook, right? And I just decided, I think that this is too important of an issue for the country. I mean there are 11 million undocumented people who came here to work hard and contribute to the country. And, you know, it's -- I don't think it's quite as polarized as people always say.

CUOMO: What would be your advice to the people in D.C. who are trying to balance these two almost diametrically opposed positions? One is immigration policy is about what you're talking about. Let's bring in our human potential. And the other one is, let's find a way to get them out. How -- if you had to enter that, this is your new team, you have to make these Democrats and Republicans come together, what advice do you think you'd have that's not going on down there now?

ZUCKERBERG: Well, I -- it's -- I can't really tell anyone how to legislate, right? I mean that's -- everyone understands the stuff way better than I do. So, you know, my goal in this is just to try to help support folks who care deeply about getting this done on both sides and hopefully we can make a difference.

CUOMO: In terms of the politics of it, you think it's just important enough where you're going to do it anyway?

ZUCKERBERG: Yes. And I think that there are some things in life that if you believe that it's such a big problem, you just stick your neck out and try to do it, right? And I mean a lot of people think that it's going to be really challenging to connect 5 billion people, too. It is. But I think it's one of the biggest problems of my generation to get everyone in the world to have Internet access. And, similarly, you know, 11 million undocumented people, I mean that's a lot of people whose lives we can improve and make the country stronger.

CUOMO: Good luck with everything.

ZUCKERBERG: Thank you.

CUOMO: You're not even 30 yet. You're doing great.


CUOMO: You're doing great. Good luck with everything.


BOLDUAN: That's a great interview. You covered a lot.

CUOMO: He gave us a hoodie. He gave us a hoodie. It has the FaceBook motto on the inside.

BOLDUAN: Have you decided what you want to do with it yet?

CUOMO: I don't know. I'm looking for ideas on what to do with it.

BOLDUAN: Tweet him right now. It's crumpled up like your dirty laundry. I mean is that --

CUOMO: I'm certainly --

PEREIRA: Do you want me to hold this for you? That's mine (ph).

CUOMO: Well, that's -- that's his look. You know, it's not supposed to be too nice. But I've already, you know, I can't pull it off.

PEREIRA: Take care of (INAUDIBLE).

CUOMO: I don't have enough talent.

BOLDUAN: On more serious topics, other than the hoodie, talk to me about -- I mean did you get a sense from him on how long he thinks it's going to take to pull this off?

CUOMO: A long time. I mean he sees this as the mission.

BOLDUAN: I mean this huge proposition.

CUOMO: That this is what has to happen. And the goal should not be frustrated by the difficulty in achieving it, you know?

BOLDUAN: Well, I guess you're right, but its -- it's asking a lot.

PEREIRA: Did he seem more easy going with you as time went on? Because he's -- like we were talking before, he's so --

CUOMO: No, he's intense. He's focused. This matters to him.

PEREIRA: Yes, it does.

CUOMO: You know, and he wasn't there to kind of like, you know, to goof around or talk about himself.

PEREIRA: Make friends, right.

CUOMO: You know, he's about, here's what I want to do, here's why it's important, that's why I'm doing this because I don't want to have to do interviews for no reason.

BOLDUAN: Right. And he doesn't do a lot of interviews.

PEREIRA: Impactful.

BOLDUAN: When he does, he has a point, right?

CUOMO: Yes, look, he has the leverage and he uses it when it's important for him and I think that's the way he should. So, good for him.

BOLDUAN: Great interview, though.

CUOMO: And thanks for giving it to us.

BOLDUAN: Absolutely.

All right, coming up next on NEW DAY, deputies firing 15 rounds at a man in his own driveway. He is recovering and he's talking to CNN. His angry message to law enforcement ahead.

CUOMO: Also, when it comes to the creamy center of an Oreo, how does the cookie crumble? We tested the cream. I know, why did we do that? But we will give you the results.


CUOMO: All right, welcome back, everybody.

A Florida man shot by police in his own driveway last month. Well, now, he is speaking out for the first time since leaving the hospital. His name is Roy Middleton and he says he is plagued by nightmares of the incident, that is when police fired 15 rounds at him, in his own driveway, I repeat, shattering his left leg. CNN's Nick Valencia is in Pensacola, Florida, with the latest.


NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: How do you feel about what happened to you? ROY MIDDLETON, SHOT AT BY POLICE: How do I feel about what happened? How would anybody feel getting shot?

VALENCIA (voice-over): Still visibly in pain and haunted by the night he was shot at 15 times by a Escambia County sheriff's deputies nearly a month ago. It all happened when a neighbor called 911 after spotting Roy Middleton rummaging through a car on his own driveway. He was mistaken for a car thief and unarmed when confronted by police.

VALENCIA (on camera): They've said that you were reaching towards something and that you lunged at them, you made a lunging motion.

MIDDLETON: No. Why would I run to someone that's halfway down my driveway? I'm going to lunge at them with what? You know, I was getting ready to do what they asked me, raise my hands and I got shot in the -- in the -- doing that.

VALENCIA (voice-over): The Escambia County sheriff has, all along, defended the actions of his officers who remain on paid, administrative leave.

SHERIFF DAVID MORGAN, ESCAMBIA COUNTY: The point to making the comment about the lunging was his herkey (ph) jerky movements that he was making. And again, the failure to follow the deputy's instructions.

VALENCIA: Shot in his own driveway outside his own car while holding his car keys. He says his leg is now shattered, held together by metal rods. Middleton said the whole thing happened in about 30 seconds.

MIDDLETON: They should have asked me, did I live here or ran my address and license plate or something. So, you know, before somebody is a suspect in your own yard. Suspecting of (ph) what?

VALENCIA: Police disagree.

MORGAN: Mr. Middleton was most assuredly a suspect for this scenario up until such time that he was identified. He was a suspect in an attempted car theft. I have an eyewitness that stated that, that called into my folks and that's what they responded to.

VALENCIA: Middleton says he couldn't have done anything differently to change the outcome.

VALENCIA (on camera): Were you sober that night?

MIDDLETON: Sure. I had a beer -- a couple of beers earlier that day around 2:00.

VALENCIA (voice-over): Adding insult to injury, he says he was handcuffed by deputies while he thought he was dying.

VALENCIA (on camera): Do you ask yourself why? Why did this happen to me?

MIDDLETON: Well, yes, I ask myself why. Yes, why they shot me first. And then why shoot so many times afterwards. Yes, I ask why. That's all I can ask, why.

VALENCIA: Do you get any answers?

MIDDLETON: No, not yet.

VALENCIA (voice-over): Nick Valencia, CNN, Pensacola, Florida.


BOLDUAN: Our thanks to Nick for that. A whole lot of questions still surrounding that and the state now investigating.

CUOMO: That's the good news.

BOLDUAN: Yes, that is the good news here.

All right, let's move now to "The Human Factor." EpiPens, we all know what they are, they can save -- they can life savers for allergy sufferers, but they're often very cumbersome to carry around. So twins Evan and Eric Edwards, they've come up with a new design. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta has their story.


DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As long as twins Evan and Eric Edwards can remember, they had allergies. The official diagnosis came up when they were three.

ERIC EDWARDS, HAS SEVER ALLERGIES: We grew up allergic to all egg products, all seafood including shell fish and fish, all peanuts, all tree nuts and most antibiotics.

GUPTA: Plus seasonal allergies as well. For them school was a huge challenge.

EVAN EDWARDS: We were those guys who had to be placed at a special table at lunch to try to ensure that there was no potential for contamination.

GUPTA: With the near constant threat of anaphylaxis which is a severe life-threatening allergic reaction, the twins had to have EpiPens at all times. That's a pen-like device that injects a dose of epinephrine to stop a sharp drop in blood pressure and serious breathing problems. But they both thought their EpiPens were too bulky and they often didn't carry them. Both have had three really close calls.

So when they left high school, they decided to invent a smaller, more portable device. They tailored their college classes around the new invention they were designing. After college they started their company, Intelliject. And last year the FDA approved Auvi-Q, it's an epinephrine auto-injector that is about the size of a credit card and it's the first to talk you through an injection.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN reporting.


KEILAR: All right our thanks to Sanjay.

PEREIRA: Get your hands off --

CUOMO: I know. Next up on NEW DAY break out the milk. I don't understand what you won't let us see --

BOLDUAN: Here is a conspiracy there's only one "f" in stuff.

PEREIRA: I won't let you eat them because we need them for the segment that's coming up after the break.

BOLDUAN: There's a million of them.

CUOMO: I know how many?

PEREIRA: You all can eat a lot of Oreos. I've watched you.

CUOMO: You're getting a little cookie crazy. Why are you a cookie monster?

BOLDUAN: Why are we talking about Oreos?

CUOMO: Yes, tell us. Tell us.

PEREIRA: Because, apparently, there is some controversy about how much stuffing is in the double stuff.

BOLDUAN: Eating the Oreo that Dean just touched.

We'll be back.


CUOMO: I wasn't happy about it but the box is empty.

BOLDUAN: Oh sorry. Welcome back to NEW DAY. In a few moments we're going to break down an Oreo expose. But first, to the couch.

PEREIRA: I couldn't understand you with the cookies in your mouth.

BOLDUAN: Oh I'm sorry.


PEREIRA: Here we are. I have a question for you this morning, friends. How do you like your Oreos? I, myself, am an Oreo purist.

BOLDUAN: You're not a purest.

PEREIRA: Original only because I do not like double stuff because I don't actually care for the icing.

BOLDUAN: You're not a purist.

CUOMO: Did you know that Oreo's all about --

PEREIRA: All of the icing. I can do without it, frankly. Chris and Kate think it's a sacrilege. That debate aside. Friends, grab your milk and get ready for some cookie crumbling breaking news.



PEREIRA: Twist them, dunk them, lick them. Swallow them whole. No matter how you eat your Oreos, one thing most Oreo lovers can agree on. The cream is the best part.

But there's a new twist. That beloved cream is in the center of a -- scandal. Are Double Stuf Oreos really all they're stuffed up to be? A high school math class in upstate New York found out just how much stuff is actually in double stuff Oreos.

DAN ANDERSON, H.S. MATH TEACHER, QUEENSBURY, NY: Most of them have had practice as of high in separating the Oreo in half and getting a clean side but getting two clean sides off and just leaving the stuff was difficult.

PEREIRA: Dan Anderson's students weighed 10 of both the original and double stuff Oreos that data was applied to a mathematical equation to determine the Oreo's cream content. According to the cookie calculations, the double stuff was only 1.86 times the size of regular Oreos. Say it isn't so.

ANDERSON: I think the class as a whole was pretty surprised that it wasn't double.

PEREIRA: This isn't the first time a food favorite has come under fire for not measuring up. Last year a Subway customer's photo went viral showing his foot long Sub only measured 11 inches.

But Oreos have been the nation's the best-selling cookie since 1912 likely to outlast the latest controversy showing, once again, the cream always rises to the top.

Before we get to the amount of cookies that Mr. Cuomo has managed to indulge in, in the last ten seconds alone. Let me tell you this, an Oreo spokesman sent us the following statement, "While I'm not familiar with what was done in the classroom setting, I can confirm for you that our recipe for the Oreo Double Stuf has double the stuf or cream filling when compared with our base, or original Oreo cookie.

Meanwhile Subway had previously responded that they're foot-long was a descriptive name only and not intended to be a measurement of length. Now, can we get to the amount of cookies that have been consumed on this set?

CUOMO: I don't understand why it bothers you so much. You've been like a cookie kernel.

BOLDUAN: They don't feed us. PEREIRA: I needed them for the segment, that was just one technical issue, but I'm also concerned for your gut. How many did you just eat?

CUOMO: I'm eating a lot. I have portion control issues.

PEREIRA: Do you?

BOLDUAN: Really.


CUOMO: No fat diet has ever worked effectively.

PEREIRA: Can we talk about the amazing stuff -- this is amazing stuff please.

CUOMO: All right. From the double-stuf to the good stuff. Here's today ok. As parents we're supposed to be our kids' heroes, right. But for one mom in Oregon, it is the other way around.

Heather Conrad Smith has two beautiful little girls. She also has asthma and during a recent hike with her daughter. She left her inhaler at home, proved to be nearly fatal mistake as she went into respiratory distress miles away along the edge of a cliff -- all true. She got one word out to her five and seven year old girls -- remember those ages. "Run", run they did. Two miles over the rough Oregon countryside.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Having to go down rocks and trying not to fall over the cliff. We had to walk on a lot too. We went super quick on the rocks and I didn't even fall there.

CUOMO: Five and seven. Remember that. Well, they made it back to civilization. Once they got there, they were able to tell rescuers exactly where to go. Their mom was saved.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It just blows me away that my two girls saved my life. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be here today.


CUOMO: Five and Seven-year olds usually struggle to put a cookie directly into their mouths. These kids made it two miles, alerted rescuers, led them back, saved their mother.

PEREIRA: That is incredible.

CUOMO: I mean you talk about the ratio of stuff to good stuff, I mean they are like 70 million times what is in the ordinary person. Thank you so much. Does that earn me some cookies?

BOLDUAN: Oh you earned your cookies.

CUOMO: Earned you girls, cookies. Thank you for showing us how great we can be, even when we are young -- five and seven years of age. You have the good stuff, young ladies. Thank you for saving your mom. Thanks for telling us about the story

I think that deserves a cookie.

PEREIRA: Have another one. Go for it.


PEREIRA: -- the cookies all like --

CUOMO: According to the when Kate dips her cookie, she has her pinky out.

BOLDUAN: I don't even know it's happening.

CUOMO: I think it's a violation and annoying.

BOLDUAN: I don't even know what's happening. I just get very excited.

Thank you for watching NEW DAY.

Thanks for watching us eat cookies. Carol Costello in the "CNN NEWSROOM" begins right now --

BOLDUAN: Please tell me you have my back, Carol.


CUOMO: Oh man.

BOLDUAN: I love Carol Costello.

COSTELLO: I love you right back. Have a great day, guys. "NEWSROOM" starts now.

Happening now in the "NEWSROOM" a shooting just because.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There's a young man. He's got blood on him.


COSTELLO: A 23-year-old Australian baseball player gunned down.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's not conscious. Is he still breathing? Barely

COSTELLO: Now, a warning from his home country, stay away from the United States.