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Jodi in Prison Stripes, Wrist Shackles
Aired August 26, 2013 - 21:00 ET
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DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Jodi Arias returned to court in prison stripes today.
As Alyce LaViolette breaks down -- the victim of hate mail and death threats.
ALYCE LAVIOLETTE: "I hope you choke on a chicken bone, you fat bastard. I hope you get hit in the face with a baseball bat. Ninety-eight percent of America hates you and hopes you die."
PINSKY: Then, Hannah Anderson`s mom and brother were buried this weekend. Can the kidnapped teen rescued little more than a week ago, begin to move on?
Plus, Miley Cyrus`s R-rated antics in front of millions. Is she twerking her way into some serious trouble? The behavior bureau cannot wait to weigh in on this one.
Let`s get started.
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PINSKY: Good evening.
My co-host, Samantha Schacher, host of "Pop Trigger" on the Young Turks Network.
And coming up, Miley Cyrus and her performance at the VMA`s. Everyone is chitchatting about that.
But, first, convicted murderer Jodi Arias back in court today. Have a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s in custody standing next to counsel.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you kill Travis Alexander?
JODI ARIAS, CONVICTED MURDERER: Yes, I did. He attacked me. And I defended myself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you crying when you shot him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Travis left Jodi with no other option but to defend herself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you crying when you were stabbing him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Losing Travis has completely destroyed the overall health of our family.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About when you cut his throat. Were you crying then?
ARIAS: I don`t know.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I felt there was something really wrong with this woman. Perhaps mental illness.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No unanimous agreement.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I thought that (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is very actively writing letters back to the public that have written her. Maybe some of these people who`ve gotten letters back from Jodi Arias, might be posting them on Instagram.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The court is not prepared to set a trial date today.
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PINSKY: Joining us, HLN host Jane Velez-Mitchell, author of "Exposed: The Secret Life of Jodi Arias"; Mark Eiglarsh, attorney at speaktomark.com; Abe Abdelhadi, who had dated Jodi Arias, he`s now a blogger; and Tara Kelley, an alternate jury in the Jodi Arias trial. She`s actually part of the story tonight. We`ll tell you about that.
But, first, CNN correspondent Ted Rowlands joins us by phone.
Ted, what is the latest?
TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): Well, Drew, it`s a very short hearing today, and the judge basically kicked the can until September 16th to be back in court. She wanted to give both sides some more time to deal with these motions on the table. Specifically, should there be live television coverage of the retrial of this penalty phase, and should the defense have access to Twitter accounts of prospective jurors. She`s giving both sides some time. So, we`ll be back September 16th.
PINSKY: Ted, is there a chance that cameras will not be allowed in this stage?
ROWLANDS: Well, that`s what the defense is asking for. They`re saying, listen, we don`t have Alyce LaViolette back for the retrial. We don`t have other potential witnesses back because they`re scared of the backlash, and during the trial, the backlash was well-documented. Please bar the live television feed.
It`s going to be up to Judge Stevens and it will be interesting to see what Juan Martinez does. Will he`d be for or against this, or will he have no opinion? A lot of times, prosecutors choose to say we don`t have an opinion one way or the other on television.
PINSKY: Ted, thank you so much for that report.
We`ll be talking about LaViolette`s response to Twitter.
Jodi tweeted the following, I`m going to read this to you -- "The media will grab a specious story and run with it. Soon it`s accepted as fact. It`s a form of willful ignorance."
Funny, she sounds like the mayor of San Diego. He used the same defense, Jane, did he not? She`s explaining now that other people are using Twitter. Jane, tell me about that.
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Well, she`s quoting a movie review. It`s totally taken out of context, Dr. Drew, but that is par for the course. Of course, her defense attorney is worried about the jurors tweeting. What about Jodi Arias` tweets?
Remember during the trial how she tweeted that prosecutor Juan Martinez had little man syndrome. She has a sense of pretty nasty tweets herself.
Once again, this is typical and I think you`ll appreciate this from the psychological perspective, Dr. Drew. When somebody else does something, she accuses somebody else of doing exactly what she does. And it`s even infected her defense team, that they are accusing these hypothetical jurors who don`t even exist of doing something wrong when Jodi is the one who`s been tweeting inappropriately.
PINSKY: That`s right. That`s the way the disorder works is that you can`t believe that you`ve done anything wrong, the world is the problem. And now her lawyers, as you say, want access to all the Twitter information, that even for any future jurors. What are they up to, Mark?
MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Well, they want to ensure that their client gets a fair trial. Which is what we should all want, no matter how much Jodi Arias and her actions may repulse us.
Understand that this will definitely go on appeal. The conviction for murder and potentially the death sentence, or if she gets life, will be on appeal for years. The worst thing that could happen for all of us is if the judge doesn`t do the right thing and somehow this case comes back on appeal.
So, the judge is just doing her job.
PINSKY: So, we`ll never be free of Jodi Arias.
Now, Tara, my understanding is they`re kind of pointing the finger at you specifically. Tell me about that.
TARA KELLEY, ALTERNATE JUROR IN JODI ARIAS TRIAL: Yes. To say I was a little shocked is an understatement. You know, I knew that there was a motion, but once I actually read into the motion and saw my name mentioned several times, I just kept digging and I saw that they had attachments to the motion.
PINSKY: What did you do?
KELLEY: I didn`t do anything. You know, they -- I tweeted one time - - I hated Twitter before trial. And I never used it.
And so, I tweeted one time on March 17th to USA Camps, it was for nationals for cheerleading. Had nothing to do with Mark Eiglarsh. I don`t even know where that came from.
My first tweet with Mark I think was like May 28th, which was obviously after May 23rd. So I don`t know where that`s coming from.
PINSKY: OK, so, Mark, you`re once again in the middle of controversy, my friend. What did you do here? Did you do something wrong? Did you coerce her into something? What happened?
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, CO-HOST: Mark --
EIGLARSH: No one did anything wrong. I think the concern the defense has is any time any juror during trial -- and again Tara did nothing wrong and there`s no rule that precludes it. But any time a juror looks at anything during trial regarding social media, there are other people`s words, there are things that they could read.
And an ideal scenario, really, just think of your loved one, if they`re on trial -- an ideal scenario is for every juror to simply stay away from anything that has to do with social media. That`s all.
PINSKY: I think Mark sounded a little guilty there, Sam. What do you think?
SCHACHER: Oh, I -- you know what, Mark`s always guilty. Kidding, Mark. You know I love you.
PINSKY: Here`s what Jodi tweeted I want to read you want Jodi tweeted a month ago. It`s about some interesting mail.
Quote, "Here`s why you shouldn`t buy mail on eBay. I will write you for free. Don`t get suckered." So, Jodi is getting a lot of mail, so much mail that her fans have been asked by I guess the prison only to send postcards.
SCHACHER: Her fans?
PINSKY: No letters.
Abe, I know you have a reaction to this.
ABE ABDELHADI, DATED JODI ARIAS: I find it amazing that she`s actually writing anybody anything and that her biggest concern is Twitter snark. I mean, seriously, and then to watch the LaViolette tape -- who`s not gotten death threats in this ordeal? Who cares?
The point is that she got convicted and she`s ushering this whole thing, like, as though she`s innocent. She`s acting as though we believe her story.
That`s what amazes me. I wish she would (INAUDIBLE) this whole, sign a waiver, march out back and take a bullet to the back of the brain stem. I think that would fix a lot of problems.
PINSKY: Abe as always with the lighthearted comments.
But let me ask everyone -- show of hands. We`ve all covered this trial. Who as a result of this coverage received really more than snarky, like nasty Twitter feed?
Jane, you, me, Tara, everybody --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Dr. Drew, somebody was arrested for threatening me and Nancy grace and he had allegedly weapons on him when he was arrested.
ABDELHADI: I`ve been called a middle-aged bald pedophile. I mean, people are out of their minds. She has fans? She`s not the Beatles. She`s a killer.
PINSKY: I apologize for that, Abe. I apologize.
ABDELHADI: Well, there you go.
PINSKY: Jane, I`ve got a question for you. Should this next jury be sequestered? If they`re not slammed down on social media and whatnot in the camera, should they be sequestered?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think so, if there`s a reasonable length to this trial. My concern, Dr. Drew, is the last trial, the case in chief, it lasted almost five months. So are you really asking people to spend five months in a hotel in this penalty phase that`s only supposed to involve whether or not she gets the death penalty by lethal injection or life?
But it`s a Pandora`s box. Once you get started, Jodi Arias could take the stand and handcuff herself to the witness chair, like she did the last time around and be on for 18 days. How do you take five months of testimony, more than 600 exhibits, 38 witnesses, et cetera, et cetera, and compress it down into something that`s like cliff notes? I don`t think you can do it.
PINSKY: Mark, how?
EIGLARSH: Well, Jane makes a very good point. You can`t. It`s going to be very lengthy.
I want to address the LaViolette issue. Listen, I didn`t agree with most of what she said, but that was her opinion. And I think it`s a miscarriage of justice when witnesses, whether you like them or not, are intimidated and won`t come forward and they are getting death threats. I have a problem with that.
PINSKY: Mark, we`re going to get into that after the break.
PINSKY: And, Sam, hang on, because she says, LaViolette says, there`s no way she`s going back on the stand. She says there`s no way she`s going back on the stand.
ABDELHADI: She was not right to begin with.
PINSKY: Well, we`re going to talk about that. But I agree with Mark, she shouldn`t have gotten the abuse she got. Nor should any of us, nor should Jane have had her life threatened.
PINSKY: But next, what was Miley Cyrus thinking when she picked this costume and some interesting behavior for her did she pick it, or somebody picked it? What do we think about it? Behavior bureau can`t wait do get into it.
We are back after this.
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LAVIOLETTE: It`s very sad for me. I think, you know, people were surprised I wasn`t angry. And I really wasn`t. I was so sad that people were filled with such hatred for somebody they didn`t know. And I`m talking about Jodi, not just me.
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PINSKY: Welcome back.
And welcome, Alyce LaViolette, Sam, to the world of social media if you`re in mass media, don`t you agree?
SCHACHER: Yes. But it`s absolutely terrible. You can disagree with people. You can be outraged. But you don`t send somebody death threats or hate mail. That says something about you.
PINSKY: Well, that`s right.
Now, people are calling it trolling, at least. You see that word being thrown around more.
So, now, if you remember, of course, that is Jodi`s domestic violence lady. She`s one of the witnesses who does not want to testify because of threats. Here`s more of it.
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LAVIOLETTE: Threats to my life. Threats to my family. My family doesn`t want me to go back.
"I hope you choke on a chicken bone, you fat bastard. I hope you get hit in the face with a baseball bat. Ninety-eight percent of America hates you and hopes you die."
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PINSKY: Now, even, Abe, you with all your kind-heartedness, don`t you agree this is too much?
ABDELHADI: Well, death threats on any level are wrong. I`m not saying that those people are right to send them to her.
However, if she`s right and she`s doing the right thing and speak out on behalf of battered women everywhere, then she would come out and say the right thing and do the right thing.
She`s not exactly Martin Luther King here. Martin Luther King got a ton of death threats. He kept going anyway because he was doing the right thing.
When you`re full of it and a witness for hire like she is, you`re going to get those things. Are they wrong? Absolutely. She should not have gotten those death threats at all.
EIGLARSH: See, I disagree with Abe. There`s no right or wrong. She gave her opinion that we disagreed with.
I`ve been in the system for 21 years. I`ve seen some paid whores in my day that get up there and say whatever the defense wants. She never struck me as that.
PINSKY: Yes, I agree.
EIGLARSH: I disagree with what she said, but I believe that she believed what was flowing from her lips. And for that, she doesn`t deserve to be crucified.
PINSKY: I think, Jane, I think she was a great advocate. She really was. She was somebody advocating for a domestic violence survivor, she`d be great. She didn`t see the big picture of how pathological Jodi was.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Look, she made a mockery out of the whole issue of domestic violence, Dr. Drew. First of all, yes, I agree threats are awful. Whether they`re directed at her or me, they`re not fun and they shouldn`t be done.
But if she`s so scared, then why -- and kudos to Ted Rowlands from CNN for getting this exclusive -- why is she doing an interview on television right now if she`s that upset? That strikes me as a little disingenuous.
Now, the other thing is that what really upset me about what she had to say is she still is adhering to her initial point that Jodi was a victim of domestic violence.
And buying her story without even considering the fact that the prosecutor Juan Martinez proved that the bullet casing went into the blood. That means her story is a lie. Not buying the idea that there was no gun in the house. Travis didn`t own a gun.
She`s totally discounting the idea that Jodi staged a burglary in which she got the gun that she used.
All of that doesn`t exist for her. That`s where I get upset.
PINSKY: OK, got it. OK. Now, let me talk to somebody who actually sat in that jury box, Tara, what is your take?
KELLEY: Well, I agree. I don`t think death threats are OK on any level. You know, it`s easy for people who are hiding behind their computer or hiding behind a pen and paper to make these death threats. Whether they follow through or not, obviously you don`t want it to get to that point.
But it`s easy for these people to sit behind a computer and say this stuff.
PINSKY: Sam, can we do anything about social media and the violence that is now being acted out there?
SCHACHER: I really don`t know, Dr. Drew, because I see it every single day, especially on YouTube. You go on any YouTube video, you look at the comments section, it is terrible.
However, there are -- you talked about it earlier, Dr, Drew, trolls. The troll`s main job is to try to get people riled up. So, I think the best thing you can do is just not interact with them. Don`t feed the trolls.
PINSKY: Now, Abe, you`re a blogger, but you don`t troll around, do you? You just speak your mind and people troll on you.
ABDELHADI: Pretty much. And I have a confession to make. I`m the one who picked Miley Cyrus`s outfit last night, so I`m sorry.
PINSKY: Thank you, Abe. I think there are people that want to thank you for that, I`m not sure I`m one of them. But there are people who do.
ABDELHADI: Not a problem.
But no, I don`t -- no, I don`t have a time for it. I will put out my essays, I will put out what I do and people will send me threats or they`ll mention my name in a conspiracy theory or what have you. But I don`t have the time to troll. I`ve got better things to do with my time.
PINSKY: So, Mark, these defense witnesses are back out right and left. How are they going to put together the case, and does that increase the probability that the cameras are not going to be allowed into the courtroom?
EIGLARSH: It gives them a better argument. Now they`ve got some actual proof that as a direct result of the high-profile nature of this case, that witnesses are not showing up, expert witnesses who are there to help.
And while many people are applauding, that to me is a black mark on our system. That shouldn`t happen. She should get whatever the outcome is, but having fundamental fairness in place.
PINSKY: But, let`s remember, Jane, it`s not the cameras that are the problem. It`s social media that she`s getting hurt by, right?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, again, I have to reiterate, and I`d love to hear what Mark has to say about that, that if she`s so scared, why is she doing interviews? Because I talked to lawyers who think this is orchestrated. This is an orchestrated attempt to get cameras out of the courtroom and she`s going to show up and say I won`t take the witness stand.
EIGLARSH: So those are fake tears, Jane? You really think that LaViolette -- those tears were fake, she really didn`t get the death threats, she doesn`t really --
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I never said that. Don`t mischaracterize me.
PINSKY: You`re saying that she was put out there, being put out and encouraged to take because of the attorneys` strategy.
Mark, you know, no offense, attorneys win at any cost.
EIGLARSH: No, I don`t buy that. I don`t buy that they would put her out like that. That`s silly.
PINSKY: All right. Fair enough.
EIGLARSH: That`s not.
PINSKY: Thank you, panel.
SCHACHER: Maybe she just wants sympathy.
PINSKY: Maybe, I think -- well, I don`t know. That`s an interesting question. We`ll have to leave it for another time.
Next up, Hannah Anderson says farewell to her mother and brother. What is next for her? There she is at the ceremony.
Now, was Hannah holding a grudge against her mother? There`s some evidence of this, and the behavior bureau wants to weigh in. We are back after this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A community near San Diego. We`ll pause to remember the mother and brother of Hannah Anderson at a memorial service.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For the deaths of Tina and Ethan, there are no easy words.
DAVID BRAUN, HANNAH ANDERSON`S UNCLE: We will miss them forever. We will always remember them and ask what could have been.
HANNAH`S GRANDFATHER: We`re still in shock, and it hasn`t hit us totally yet and I`m sure it won`t until the funeral.
BRETT ANDERSON, HANNAH`S FATHER: As for my daughter, the healing process will be slow. She has been through a tremendous horrific ordeal.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So I`m sure she`s holding a lot of confusion conflicting feelings right now, grief and loss, and anger.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hannah said she`s going to bury her mother and brother this weekend. Why is she exposing herself? Where is he father?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The fact is, there was a 16-year-old girl who just turned 16 and was forced into a very adult situation.
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PINSKY: Welcome back. I`m with my co-host Samantha Schacher.
And Hannah Anderson`s mother and brother were laid to rest this Saturday. What`s next for Hannah, what`s going on with Hannah is what people seem to be wondering.
Back with us to discuss -- Mark Eiglarsh, Jane Velez-Mitchell. Joining us, attorney and Sirius XM radio host Jenny Hutt, psychotherapist Wendy Walsh, author of "The 30-Day Love Detox, and the phone, I have CNN`s Stephanie Elam, who was at the memorial service.
Stephanie, you first.
You saw Hannah at the service. How was she?
STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): It was interesting, Dr. Drew. You sat there and you were watching her. She was moving around the sanctuary. She was sipping on some sort of Starbucks drink.
And at the same time, she was hugging friends. She was going around and smiling. At one point, she was holding a baby. She looked generally like she was in good spirits.
And then afterwards, as the actual memorial took place, she sat between her grandmother and her grandfather, the parents of her mother. And at the end, it did look like she was starting to feel the weight of all that was going on.
But I have to tell you, I`ve I got a lot of tweets about her behavior leading up to the actual memorial starting. But again, it was interesting.
And afterwards, I spoke with her grandmother, who she will be spending time with, living with for the next few months. She was saying that, you know, there were some tough moments for Hannah. She was getting through the ceremony. She was listening to all the that were being said about her mother and her brother.
But now the focus really is on trying to get her to assimilate normal life once the cameras are off of her, Dr. Drew.
PINSKY: And, Stephanie, I understand that members of the DiMaggio family are speaking out against one another. Can you tell me a little bit about that?
ELAM: It`s another bizarre twist in this already bizarre story. But, yes, I did get a call back from a woman who is the aunt of Jim DiMaggio, and she is saying that her niece, Laura Lisa, the one who asked for this paternity claim to actually be filed, she says that there`s no reason to do this test, that the whole issue is that she`s after the money because Jim DiMaggio had an insurance policy that he left to Brett Anderson`s mother.
Now, at one point, he did live with Brett Anderson`s mother for about two and a half years or so. It could be for that. It could be for something else. We don`t know.
But this aunt saying there`s no reason to do this paternity test, he`s definitely not the parent of these two children.
PINSKY: Thank you, Stephanie, we appreciate it.
Jane, I want to go to you. These are horrible deaths. At the memorial service, apparently it said -- had different dates for the death, meaning that the young boy probably died in the fire while his mother died previous to the fire, which is just disgusting. My question to you is do you know anything more about DiMaggio or his motivation? We just heard this horrible stuff about his family. This case gets king of weirder and weirder all the time.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It does. He was a very weird guy.
I mean, the first thing we heard, Dr. Drew, was that he had a crush on Hannah, and that was confirmed by some of her friends who came out and said that she had described it as a crush. Then we heard it was a family crush leading to that speculation that perhaps he was under the delusion that he may have created these children, but obviously, the math doesn`t add up, so maybe he`s hallucinating. Maybe he was completely delusional.
And then we also heard this story that may or may not be true about he was having severe money problems, and as he was losing his house.
As per usual, it`s usually a perfect storm in a confused mind that results in violence.
PINSKY: Wendy, any further thoughts on this guy?
WALSH: Well, I think it`s pretty textbook, hearing that his own father committed suicide around the date that he went nuts himself, Dr. Drew. Isn`t that -- didn`t we learn that in psych 101, that that`s a very vulnerable time?
PINSKY: Yes, indeed.
WALSH: To have an anniversary like that?
PINSKY: Anniversaries and copycats. Both potentially an issue here.
PINSKY: All right. I want to go to the next topic, which is Hannah and this potential relationship problem with her mother. Do you guys -- have you heard anything about that, Jenny?
JENNY HUTT, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: I think most teenage girls at one point or another have conflict with their moms. I think it`s an incredible shame if this kid is carrying some sort of guilt now because her mother was brutally murdered by a maniac.
I think every kid goes through that period of time and it`s unfortunate that they couldn`t have the healing, if that`s really the case, that she did have some sort of grudge as a teenager.
I hope that`s not case. I hope nobody is adding to that with her. And I hope everyone is saying to her, normal you are at 16 to have conflict with your mother. I hope that`s how she`s being helped.
PINSKY: You know, Mark -- how old are your kids now, Mark?
EIGLARSH: Eleven, 9, and 7.
PINSKY: OK. So your oldest is not yet in the mid-teens. So there`s a lot of let`s look at what Hannah is doing at this funeral. We said last week, a 16-year-old, they`re not like adults. They behave in ways, they act out their feelings, they can`t access their feelings. Don`t you think people are over-scrutinizing Hannah?
PINSKY: Well, let me say this. For sure, teenagers act differently than adults. But I`ll tell you something -- if they`re scrutinizing her as I am, out of love and concern, then that`s OK. I personally have tremendous concern about once the cameras go away and once she`s not in the spotlight, how she`s going to be affected by this? I don`t know about her mom, but for sure, she was extremely close with her brother, who she will never see again. She broke down when she was interviewed talking about him. I have extreme concerns about whether she`s going to get the treatment that she needs.
PINSKY: And jenny, finish me up here.
HUTT: I just want to say one more thing. As a mother of a 13-year- old girl, when my 13-year-old daughter has those acting out moments, I will say to her my gosh, you must feel awful inside for you to be acting this way. So, like you`re saying, Dr. Drew, I hope people in her life and teenagers watching her recognize that she`s just a regular teen but for all that went down.
PINSKY: All right. We can talk a little bit more about Hannah`s relationship with her mom.
But later, we`re going to go to Miley Cyrus. I want to show you a picture. Ugh. More Miley there with Robin Thicke. I just wonder who told her -- look at that -- you see this big rubber foam hand she`s wearing. We`re going to talk about that and what she was doing with it. There. That thing. The question -- yes, you`re snickering, Sam. I just wonder why, Miley, why? Back after this.
VINNIE POLITAN, HLN ANCHOR: Coming up top of the hour on "HLN After Dark," oh, she was back in court today. Ms. Jodi Arias and no retrial set yet, but it`s common. She`s going to be tried again.
RYAN SMITH, HLN ANCHOR: It`s common and the stripes with the glasses and the bun. All of that was there. So, the bold question tonight, should Jodi just get light (ph)? Our in-studio jury is ready to decide. Biggest question in this trial.
POLITAN: I`m looking for -- top of the hour, "HLN After Dark," should Jodi just get light (ph)?
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PINSKY: We all deal with grief differently. This is a 16-year-old version of grief, not an adult version of grief. As teenagers do not express emotions, they don`t access emotions, express emotions, talk about emotions the way adults do. That part of the brain is not working yet. They act out at motions. And when she mentions her mother, she has a little bit of an odd facial expression, does she not?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When we notice that behavior, this micro expression, it means disgust. There was turmoil, without a doubt, between her and her mother.
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PINSKY: Time for the "Behavior Bureau." Back with my co-host, Samantha Schacher. And with us, Wendy Walsh, Jenny Hutt, and joining us criminal investigator, Danine Manette, author of "Ultimate Betrayal," and psychotherapist, Tiffanie Davis Henry.
OK. Hannah Anderson admitted turmoil with her mom, and we saw it in those microexpressions that Janine educated us about. She talked about this on NBC. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The letters were from like a year ago when me and my mom were getting along very well, me and him would talk about how to deal with it, and I`d tell him how I felt about it and he`d help me through it. They weren`t anything bad. They were just to help me through tough times.
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PINSKY: Here is what Hannah said on NBC when she was asked if she had a message. Take a look at this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To just not hold a grudge, because you never know when someone can be gone.
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PINSKY: It`s hard. It`s hard to watch. But all the stuff we`re seeing, Wendy, I think is it not -- as we over scrutinize her, is it not just a teenager trying to struggle with feelings?
WENDY WALSH, PH.D., PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, yes, but you know what the big word that really hit a chord with me there, Dr. Drew, when she said it was nothing bad. You know, she`s a very concrete, good/bad, good/bad. And I think that inside, she`s asking herself was I a bad girl? Did I do something wrong? Did I kill my mother somehow? How was I involved in this?
PINSKY: You`re right. And that children have infested (ph) of that still. She admitted to "Dateline" NBC that she is struggling to process her feelings. Take a look at this one.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Through all of this, like I don`t know how I feel. So, I can`t really, like, show it as much.
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PINSKY: She`s saying exactly what we`ve been saying. She has trouble talking about it.
WALSH: That is so telling. She doesn`t know how she feels. All that emotion bottled up in there. No words to express. No who to reach out to. Her secure attachment figures are dead. What is she going to do?
PINSKY: However, they just flashed something up on the screen. Wendy, I agree with you 1,000 percent. However, put those pictures back up where you just saw some crazy pictures of Tiffanie -- excuse me, of Hannah.
WALSH: She`s a teenager, Dr. Drew. She`s a teenager.
PINSKY: I agree. I agree, guys. Go ahead. And she`s a teenager struggling. But go ahead, Tiffanie, tell me your thoughts.
TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PH.D., PSYCHOTHERAPIST: You know, those pictures don`t say a lot to me. What says the most in terms of that interview was that James Dimaggio appears to have been grooming her and trying to gain her confidence, getting her to write him those letters. You may not be able to talk to your mom, but talk to me.
You can tell me everything. And he established a secure connection with this young lady to make her think that she could trust him. And ultimately, we see where that got her. You know, and that`s not to blame Hannah and it`s certainly not to blame her mom. At 16, you`re going to have disagreements with your mom. I know I did, and I`m sure most of the women on this panel -- I mean, I was a mess.
PINSKY: Go ahead, Jenny.
HUTT: Dr. Drew, grieving is like a very personal weird thing from person to person. when And when I lost my mother, and I was 38 years old, I`m sure I did things that were maybe a little bit wacky, a little bit off. My children had a process grieving. They were a little bit younger than Hannah is. And it was, obviously, not great circumstances, but not circumstances like this. So, how can we possibly judge her grieving process?
PINSKY: You`re right, jenny. And yet, Sam, aren`t people going berserk over these pictures -- Tiffanie --
SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes.
PINSKY: But Tiffanie, I think, appropriately said it. It`s a teenager. It`s a teenager struggling. Why are people so beside themselves with these pictures? And put them up there again. Because I don`t think they`re that big a deal. Go ahead, Sam.
SCHACHER: It`s not a big deal at all. I mean, these are teenagers. I mean, I wear short shorts in high school. God forbid if I did something wrong -
WALSH: I have to disagree with you. This is a big deal.
SCHACHER: Oh, come on, Wendy.
SCHACHER: Let me finish what I`m about to say. Can I finish -- you don`t even know what I was going to follow up with. OK. So, listen, for one, you can be wearing short shorts. Yes, your parents at the end of the day could tell you maybe that`s not (INAUDIBLE) out of you, but everybody in high school is wearing short shorts, Wendy.
It doesn`t mean that she`s somehow complicit or less of a victim. The same thing with people saying she`s drinking a Starbucks at the funeral. Who cares if she`s drinking a Starbucks at the funeral?
PINSKY: I want to go to Danine before I go to break. I`m up against the clock, Danine. I know you always have strong feelings about this sort of thing. Please. Go.
DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Dr. Drew, you know I`ve worked with teenagers. You know I`ve raised two teenagers.
MANETTE: And I really think that a lot of the struggles she may be going through is her thoughts of whether or not she contributed to this by some behavior of hers that may have given him some signals that she wasn`t as creep out (ph) as we`re all being led to believe that she was being as creep out (ph) by this guy. That`s my thought, that maybe she`s wondering whether she gave him some --
PINSKY: Or -- right. Maybe she actually feels guilty or as Wendy is saying, she has a grandiose fantasy about being guilty that she had nothing to do it. But either way, it`s --
WALSH: But Dr. Drew, I`ve got to say, the problem with that picture does not have to do with the short shorts. That doesn`t bother me at all. It`s the celebrity culture that she`s attached herself to. She`s now -- her 15 minutes of fame. She`s working it.
PINSKY: Funny you should suggest -- Wendy, I do know about that, and we`re going to talk all about that next, because we`re getting on with Miley Cyrus who -- our way back to our "Behavior Bureau." Oh yes, Wendy. You`ll have something to say about that. No doubt you all will.
And later, we have a real life version of "Home Alone." We have a child whispered call to a 911 operator as robbers break into his house. We will play that for you and tell you how it all played out. Don`t go away.
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PINSKY: Back with my co-host, Samantha Schacher, and the "Behavior Bureau." I know you`re all smiling, you`re all shaking your head.
PINSKY: 10.1 million people saw last night`s Video Music Awards, and a lot of people couldn`t believe their eyes. Brooke Shields, who had played "Hannah Montana`s" mom on the Disney show, was on this morning on NBC, I believe on the "Today" show. Take a look at what she said.
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BROOKE SHIELDS, ACTRESS: I just sort of want to know who`s advising her and why it`s necessary? I mean, the whole finger thing and the hand.
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PINSKY: Brooke also said it was a bit desperate. Samantha, bring me up to speed what many others are saying. Now, by the way, before you tell me, I just checked my Twitter feed a few seconds ago and people said oh, what`s the big deal? It`s like Madonna 15 years ago.
PINSKY: Go, tell me.
SCHACHER: OK. There is a difference and I`ll get to that. So, here`s the thing. With last night, I do said millions of people tuned in to the VMAs for various reasons. Now, today, everybody`s talking about Miley. Over five million people tweeted about Miley Cyrus` performance. That`s two times the amount of Justin Timberlake`s performance.
We all know that night was supposed to be about him. Everybody, most of the people, I shouldn`t say everybody, but most of the people are saying just like Brooke Shields said it came off as desperate, that it was distasteful, that it was raunchy. And here`s the thing. Listen, you can have some shock and awe at the MTV VMAs. But I think you need to do it in doses like Lady Gaga does. Just a little dose here, a little dose there, not the whole performance.
PINSKY: I`m going to just wind each of you up and watch you go. Danine, you`re first.
MANETTE: Dr. Drew, you know, I hope that she when she sobers up, she watches this back so she can see how she looked. But the fact of the matter is that she`s a 20-year-old girl and her brain is not even fully developed. And he`s a 35-year-old married man. They did not just come onstage and decide to do this all of a sudden.
This was rehearsed and practiced and I`m quite sure it came across exactly how they expected it to. But she`s catching all the flak for it. And like I said, he`s a 35-year-old married man. Hello!
PINSKY: Let`s get him into this, too. Tiffanie, what do you say?
HENRY: You know what? Miley is twerking all the way to the bank today, OK?
HENRY: She (INAUDIBLE) last night, she`s got us talking about her all day today. I think that we want her to continue to be something similar to "Hannah Montana," but Hannah Montana was a character that she played. This is Miley Cyrus. And we need to get to know Miley Cyrus, because she`s saying this is me. Love me or leave me alone or watch me twerk. I wish somebody would ask me to twerk.
PINSKY: Unlike Miley, please keep your pants on one second. Wendy, go ahead?
WALSH: Well, I think that if you were shocked by this, then you`re too old to be watching the VMAs, OK? If you are shocked by this, that tells me you have not been to a nightclub in a lot of years on a Saturday night, because this is what the girls do. Do I think it`s OK? No, of course, but I`m 50 years old.
I am too old to be watching them, but I have a teenager I watch it with. I think she won the night. She accomplished what she wanted to do. It was mission accomplished for her. And you know what? Go for it, girl. We`re not expecting her to be sane and living a normal life. She`s a celebrity.
SCHACHER: It`s too raunchy.
PINSKY: Take me home, Jenny.
HUTT: Somewhere between being Hannah Montana and being a full on hoochie, I`d be much more comfortable. This was over the top. This wasn`t sensual. It was sexual. It bordered on for me almost like simulated sex pornography kind of feel and I know it wasn`t porn.
WALSH: Jenny, don`t put her down. Go after the lyrics of the song.
PINSKY: Hold on.
PINSKY: I got to go to break. I believe I`m the only one here that`s been on MTV since 1995. I love them over there. I`ve got some opinions. I`ll tell you after the break.
PINSKY: Back with my co-host, Samantha Schacher, and the "Behavior Bureau." We`re talking about Miley Cyrus` performance at the VMAs last night. Now, Jenny, I want to go to you. Here`s my point. I`ve been working for MTV for almost 20 years now, and you`d be surprised how thoughtful they are about their audience and the impact that their programming has on their audience. And my understanding -- Jenny, you can fill me in a little bit about, hey, they too may be chewing on her performance last night today.
HUTT: Right. So, this is what I heard a bit earlier, that in the rehearsals, the Miley Cyrus they saw was dramatically different from the Miley Cyrus that we saw, that once the cameras were rolling and the show was on, she really amped it up. So, I`m not sure that Robin Thicke really knew what he was getting into either.
PINSKY: Wendy says no. Wendy doesn`t believe it.
WALSH: I disagree. They`re just trying to separate themselves from that nonsense. The truth is, Dr. Drew, my favorite quote that I read said something like Disney creates train wrecks and then MTV trots them out as a freak show. They know what they`re doing.
PINSKY: No. I disagree.
PINSKY: But Danine, I, during the whole time was saying -- I found myself saying OK, Miley, stop. OK, enough. Please stop, Miley. And then my daughter`s friend said something great. She went Miley, go to college.
MANETTE: She was an absolute train wreck. I mean, she was a train wreck. And like I said, she may have been sober in the rehearsals and if she acts dramatically different, you know, who knows what she was under the influence of? It was a mess. And I`m glad that --
WALSH: You guys sound so old.
MANETTE: Well, you know, it`s inappropriate. And it`s just disgusting and it`s nasty.
WALSH: Never been 20. Never done anything stupid? Never just did something they wish they could take back? This is a part of growing up. Miley`s going to --
HENRY: Miley`s going to look at these years from now and say damn, I wish I hadn`t done that, but guess what, it`s a part of life. It`s a part of life. We`ve got to let her live it.
MANETTE: But she has handlers.
PINSKY: Sam, what are you trying to say?
SCHACHER: Well, no, I just wanted to say really quickly that -- OK, yes, I`ve done things that I regret. Hello. And I thank God they haven`t been captured on camera for millions to see. But if you see her recent music video, it`s the same exact thing of her performance. So, her fans aren`t all that shocked. It`s the same thing.
PINSKY: That`s right. And she was twittering about she`s very happy today that she got a lot of Twitter action during the performance. Her handlers -- somebody told her to do this. Her mom stand up and applauded afterwards. I mean, this wasn`t Miley acting on her own.
PINSKY: Thank you, panel. I`ve got to go now.
Next, a young boy is home alone when robbers break in. You`ll hear his 911 call right after this.
PINSKY: It is time for the "Last Call." And Sam, the "Last Call" tonight goes to a 12-year-old boy in Port Arthur, Texas, who was home alone and realized burglars were breaking into his mom`s bedroom. He called 911 while hiding in the closet and we have that. Listen.
UNIDENTIFIED KID: They just broke the window.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They just broke the window. What room are you in?
UNIDENTIFIED KID: I`m in my mother`s room right now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE). Stay on the phone with me.
UNIDENTIFIED KID: They`re in there.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re inside the room now. They`re inside the bedroom where he`s at.
UNIDENTIFIED KID: So, is the police officer outside the house?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. They just got inside the closet because they`re trying to find the bad guys, OK? You`re doing good. You`re doing real good. You`re doing perfect. Your mom`s going to be so proud of you.
PINSKY: The two suspects, Sam, were caught after they ran into the woods. This is another 911 operator, you know, going beyond the call. As much as your heart goes out for the little boy, I feel so grateful to that 911 operator.
SCHACHER: Right. She almost coached him through it and made him feel OK about it and comforted by it, but the bravery of that kid.
PINSKY: Yes. It`s very intense.
PINSKY: Are we going to hear more about Miley tomorrow, do you think, on social media?
SCHACHER: I`m sure. I`m sure people are going to be talking about this for days until something else happens.
PINSKY: All right. Thank you all for watching. We`ll, of course, see you next time. And a reminder, "HLN After Dark" begins right now.