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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

New Video from Zimmerman Domestic Incident

Aired September 10, 2013 - 19:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, breaking news: explosive new controversy over that nasty confrontation between George Zimmerman and his estranged wife. Cops saying George Zimmerman now claims he was hit with an iPad during the melee.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

You are looking at just-released dash cam video of George Zimmerman during yesterday`s brouhaha. There he is raising his hands after a panicked Shellie Zimmerman called 911, saying George threatened her and her dad with a gun and punched her dad in the nose. This is Shellie`s dad with what appears to be a cut on his nose.

Shellie also told cops George destroyed her iPad using a knife as she was recording the whole confrontation. But George is telling police Shellie smashed the iPad on him, over his head.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ZACH HUDSON, LAKE MARY, FLORIDA, POLICE DEPARTMENT: There are -- there`s always two sides to the story. Essentially, you`ve got one side saying that -- George Zimmerman saying that he was struck with the iPad and then you have Shellie saying that there was some physical contact with George.

The iPad is important, because we want to see what`s on that iPad. The iPad would have been running while this was going on. That`s why that iPad is critical to this part of this investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you any closer at this point to deciding (ph)...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Zimmerman has become one of the nation`s most infamous gun owners, acquitted two months ago of murdering unarmed teen Trayvon Martin. Last week, his wife filed for divorce. That set the stage for yesterday`s heated showdown.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHELLIE ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN`S ESTRANGED WIFE (via phone): Oh, my gosh. Dad -- Dad, get behind a car or something. I don`t know if he`s going to start shooting at us or not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you guys out right now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes. We are. And the police have their weapons drawn.

Dad, get inside the house. George might start shooting at us. I don`t know. We`re going inside the house.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now there`s dispute over whether Zimmerman was really packing heat or not. Shellie told 911 George had a gun. George`s lawyer even said, yes, he had a gun. Cops say no, he didn`t.

Here`s just-released video of cops confronting George Zimmerman yesterday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your hands up!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop where you are!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get him back out there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Turn around! Walk back to me. Keep coming! Keep coming! Keep coming! Put your hands up!

All right. Get on your knees. Cross your feet.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to hear what you`ve got to say about Zimmerman`s latest legal mess. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

We`ve got an incredible panel in the Lion`s Den tonight, including former child star and talk show host Danny Bonaduce; plus, George Zimmerman`s good buddy, Frank Taaffe, joins us tonight.

But first to radio personality Mo Ivory. Despite that dramatic apprehension, George was quickly released. No charges; no trip to the police department. His estranged wife and father-in-law declined to file complaints. Cops have not charged him. So did he get a pass, Mo?

MO IVORY, RADIO PERSONALITY: A pass, just like he always does. Classic George Zimmerman. "Oh, I`m the aggressor? Oh, no, no, I`m the victim. First I`m the aggressor? Oh, no, no, I`m the victim." Classic George Zimmerman once again.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what do you think, Danny Bonaduce? Do you think he got special treatment? Do you think everyone in America, if cops were summoned to a confrontation like that, would be arrested in the sense of at least handcuffed and told to get on the ground and then, "Oh, never mind. You can get up, and you`re on investigative detention at the scene," and no arrest, no trip to the station house?

DANNY BONADUCE, ACTOR/RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Well, he -- he was told to get down on the ground and then get back up. The cops put him through his paces, but you can`t arrest a guy for being an idiot.

And "Oh, I`m the aggressor. Oh, I`m passive. Oh, I`m the aggressor." Nine people said that. Not George Zimmerman. It was his stance, but a jury acquitted him. It`s just easy to hate him. I hate him, but I hate Shellie more.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why?

BONADUCE: Because there`s one person lying to the police in this ridiculous scenario, and it`s Shellie. It`s a false police report. She`s a convicted perjurer. There is no gun.

The cops, you don`t get to make the decision of "I won`t press charges." Those days are over. If there`s a good mark on somebody, somebody goes to jail; and nobody went to jail. She`s a liar.

JON LEIBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Jane -- Jane...

IVORY: And George Zimmerman is not a liar? I love that. She`s the liar. The woman is the liar. She`s filing for divorce right now. She gets hit -- he breaks the iPad, but she`s the one lying after we have watched this man lie over and...

BONADUCE: Have you seen -- have you seen the paper...

IVORY: Have you seen George Zimmerman lie over and over and over? Come on, please.

BONADUCE: ... Have you seen the (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

(CROSSTALK)

LEIBERMAN: Well, here`s the deal, Jane. Jane, here`s the deal.

IVORY: Come on!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s lying.

LEIBERMAN: We are going to know...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

LEIBERMAN: ... in a very short time, probably tomorrow, what the truth is, because police believe they can, in fact, get video off of this iPad. And when they do, this is the third-party evidence, the exact documentation that they need to decide who to file charges against, if anybody.

And police, like I said, they are extremely confident that they are going to be able to get some video evidence off of this iPad. And then we`ll be able to tell more.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It could happen sooner than tomorrow. They`re working around the clock. These technicians, all they have to do is hit the right button, and suddenly it will be there for everyone to see.

The cops say that George, however, now claims Shellie hit him with her iPad. OK? That`s not what we heard yesterday. Yesterday he was the aggressor. Now George is saying he`s the victim. Let`s listen to both sides of the story.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HUDSON: There are -- there`s always two sides to the story. Essentially, you`ve got one side saying that -- George Zimmerman saying that he was struck with the iPad and then you have Shellie saying that there was some physical contact with George.

The iPad is important, because we want to see what`s on that iPad. The iPad would have been running while this was going on. So that`s why that iPad is critical to this part of this investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you any closer...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, straight out to our Lion`s Den again. I want to go, before I go to George`s good buddy, Frank Taaffe, I got to go to Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor.

Cops said, well, he had a right to destroy the iPad if he wanted to, because it`s his stuff. But aren`t they in the middle of a divorce? Isn`t that community property? Hadn`t she already filed for divorce, and aren`t there certain rules about what property you can destroy when you`re in the middle of a divorce, Wendy?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes, sort of. In other words you`re partly right in that, once a separation happens, you don`t even need the final report of the court to be issued. Any community property cannot be destroyed. You know, you can`t spend the whole bank account and so forth. And if you do you can be punished by the judge overseeing the divorce case.

But I`m not sure an iPad is community property. And in the scheme of things, you know, that`s not pissing away $400,000 in a bank account. I don`t know that the court`s going to get that upset about it. If it is community property...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What about destroying evidence?

MURPHY: ... a judge could see that as sanctionable conduct in the divorce.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank Taaffe. Frank Taaffe. Frank Taaffe.

FRANK TAAFFE, FRIEND OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: Well I respect what she just said but, you know, that`s not -- that`s not what the story is. There are major inconsistencies in Shellie`s story. She said that he grabbed the iPad and that he scratched it with a knife. We know that`s not true, because the video clearly shows in front of the home that George smashed the iPad on the sidewalk. That`s inconsistently No. 1.

No. 2 was the gun. There was no gun, and the cops did not recover a gun.

And No. 4 [SIC], if they had done a search of his vehicle, it would have been a violation of his Fourth Amendment right of search and seizure. So they did not get consent from George to look in the vehicle.

So there`s so many inconsistencies at play here that it`s clearly making her out to look like to be the -- the violator.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say one thing.

IVORY: Oh, really?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re going to debate the whole gun thing in a second.

But first of all, Frank Taaffe you`re in front of the house where this all happened. Can we see a shot of Frank Taaffe for a second? Let`s go on Frank Taaffe. You`re right there. Can you just step aside so we can see what the heck is going on there? This is a very nice house.

Now, Shellie had said they were living in a trailer, and they were living like gypsies. That looks like a really nice house to me. This is the house owned by the father-in-law that apparently they were renting. They had a dustup yesterday, because according to some reports -- I wasn`t there so I don`t know, but according to some published reports, the father said, "This is my house," and George says, "Well, I pay rent on this house so I have a right to be here." And that was part of the argument.

So Frank Taaffe, what do you make of Shellie saying that they were living like gypsies? That`s no -- that`s no gypsy trailer.

TAAFFE: Well, you could take a look for yourself. You can make the assessment. And, you know, that`s certainly no trailer. And if that`s a trailer, you know, I`d like to live in this trailer park, because -- That`s another inconsistency.

And there`s a whole bevy of these that are going forward. And clearly it`s showing her as not really the purveyor of the truth here. And the truth and the facts, once again, will come out, and it will show that her story is totally bogus.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Areva Martin, I want to give you a chance to respond.

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: I just want to say, Jane, you know, this is a typical domestic dispute between two individuals who are going through a very stressful divorce. Obviously, it`s gotten all of this media attention because of who George Zimmerman is.

But I would just advise both of these individuals in this divorce proceeding to stop seeing each other. They don`t need to be in the presence of each other, because they don`t get along, and we`re going to keep having these extreme...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was the whole point. Shellie and her dad were there at the house, collecting what they thought were what they had a right to collect, and taping it with the iPad, apparently, which I think is a good policy. Maybe her divorce attorney said do that. And then George allegedly, purportedly, shows up, and then there`s a confrontation. So are you talking to...

MARTIN: And that`s a bad move on -- that`s a bad move on George`s point to show up when Shellie is there packing her items, because they both know the potential for an argument to break out was very high. And lo and behold, some big explosion happens.

George doesn`t need to go near Shellie. They both appear to have divorce attorneys. They need to work these situations through their attorneys or through third parties and just stay away from each other. Otherwise, they`re going to keep ending up in these...

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We understand that but was these are not...

TAAFFE: ... George didn`t have an opportunity but...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. It`s nice to give advice to people, but I don`t think that either one of them are behaving that rationally at this moment. I mean, this is a very emotionally-charged situation that we`re dissecting. Not necessarily giving them advice. I mean, listen, there`s a lot of advice I`d like to give George Zimmerman, a lot of advice.

All right. We`re going to take a short break. On the other side -- we are just getting started. We`ve got a comparison to Casey Anthony. Remember, she was acquitted in the same state, acquitted of murder. She went underground. You did not see her except in occasional videos. Let`s compare and contrast the two.

And we`re still waiting right now. Our editors are working furiously to turn around video, surveillance video from the house itself. What`s it going to show. Will it reveal what really happened? Stay right there.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Put your hands up! All right. Get on your knees! Cross your feet!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. ZIMMERMAN (via phone): He punched my dad in the nose. My dad has a mark on his face. I saw his glasses were on the floor. He accosted my father.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does your father need medical?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Dad, do you need medical? He says -- he says no, but I think he does. He does need medical. He said he feels like he`s going to have a heart attack. His nose -- yes, you do, because your nose looks like it could be broken.

HUDSON: The fire department was asked to come in and take a look at Shellie`s father, but he didn`t have any injuries and he was not treated here on the scene.

Were punches thrown? Were they not thrown? Who`s to say?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: George Zimmerman used his own gun to shot Trayvon Martin. After he was found not guilty of murder back in July, he said he wanted that gun back. So a big question: Did George Zimmerman have a gun when he and his estranged wife fought yesterday, as they were dividing up their property in preparation for their divorce?

Shellie was adamant on the 911 call George was threatening her and her dad with a weapon.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. ZIMMERMAN (via phone): Oh my God. Dad -- Dad, get behind a car or something. I don`t know if he`s going to start shooting at us or not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you outside right now?

S. ZIMMERMAN: Yes, we are. And police have their weapons drawn.

Dad, get inside the house. George might start shooting with us, I don`t know.

MARK O`MARA, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: He had a gun with him, yes. And he has a right, allowed to, absolutely. I know there were some reports that said he did not have a gun with him, but he did.

HUDSON: A gun is not a part of the equation. We did not search his vehicle.

(END VIDEO)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Cops say he didn`t have a gun, but they also say they didn`t search George Zimmerman`s truck. Why did they not search George Zimmerman`s truck to see if he had put the gun in the glove compartment? The truck is right there during the entire confrontation.

Police now say they did not have the legal authority to search George Zimmerman`s truck.

Straight out to the Lion`s Den. Do you buy it, Mo Ivory, on-air personality?

IVORY: Oh, my gosh. Jane, this is like exactly watching the Trayvon Martin thing happen all over again. It is sickening to me the special treatment that George Zimmerman gets. It`s unbelievable.

TAAFFE: No, no.

IVORY: Wait a minute. Wait a minute; let me finish. First of all, what man hits his father-in-law? What man strikes an elderly man?

BONADUCE: Nobody. That`s why he`s not in jail.

TAAFFE: Yes.

IVORY: And he had a mark on his nose. Please.

Stop giving George Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt every single time we see him. I`m tired of it. This is a man who wants to be in control. He`s violent, and I love seeing him with his hands in the hair...

TAAFFE: He`s not in jail. Isn`t that clear to you?

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: My question was -- Excuse me. Excuse me. Quiet. My question was should police have searched the truck.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Absolutely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Should they have gotten a search warrant...

BONADUCE: They can`t.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me -- who said they can`t?

TAAFFE: No, they can`t.

BONADUCE: I did. Danny.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I`ll let you answer, Danny. Then we`re going to go to an actual lawyer. Go ahead, Danny.

BONADUCE: Well, I played a lawyer on TV. You cannot -- if he hits the lock button, they need permission or a warrant to go in that car. If he`d have left it open, that`s -- that`s as good as hunting ground. They can go right in. But if he locked that car, they can`t go in without a warrant.

TAAFFE: You`re wrong. That`s wrong.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Wait a second. Wendy Murphy. Should police...

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... have done whatever they had to do, get a search warrant, to search the vehicle to see if he had a gun?

TAAFFE: No.

MURPHY: Well, if the question is could they have, the answer is yes. I actually taught this for a while at my law school. Constitutional criminal procedure, what`s called search incident to a lawful arrest and/or the exigency exception could have applied. But they would have had to have reason to believe that there was some emergency, somebody`s life was at stake right then.

Otherwise absolutely illegal under the Fourth Amendment to search a person`s car.

TAAFFE: Exactly. Thank you.

MURPHY: Much less a glove box within the car. There`s no question they could have tried to get a warrant.

TAAFFE: The only way they could...

LEIBERMAN: They could have tried.

MURPHY: Let me clarify. They could have gotten a warrant, go to a judge, ask for permission, and it would have been relevant. There were allegations about the use of gun. It`s fair to get a warrant to search for evidence of a crime.

(CROSSTALK)

IVORY: But of course they didn`t.

MURPHY: But they needed one.

IVORY: It was George Zimmerman, so that`s why they didn`t.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Guess what, guys. We`ve got breaking news. We`ve got breaking news to tell you about right now.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news. We are getting new images. The first images -- I am seeing them for the first time as well as you. Let`s play it. This is new surveillance video from the home, is my understanding, the home where this entire thing happened, and it apparently shows a Shellie Zimmerman following George with an iPad.

So you`re looking there on the right, and to the right of your screen you can see her behind George. George has the plaid and the cap. And there`s Shellie with the iPad following him...

TAAFFE: Taunting him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. You say taunting him. I say it`s quite possible that she is simply documenting what`s going on there. So this is...

LEIBERMAN: Well, we don`t know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it says 2:02 a.m. It`s obviously not 2:02 a.m.

But there you see her following him, and they appear to be going into the house. Now, at that point it appears, I would think, that the iPad is intact. So if this is before the altercation -- I want to get Jon Leiberman`s take on this.

LEIBERMAN: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Watch it again. It would appear to me -- and I could be wrong -- but it would appear to me that this is before the confrontation, before he breaks the iPad, because she is using it to videotape him.

LEIBERMAN: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Maybe they have an argument outside the house about "Why are you here, George? I told you I was going to be here collecting our things. Go away."

And he says, "No, this is my house." I`m totally making this up. I have no idea. "It`s my house. I pay the rent."

BONADUCE: Sounds exactly like...

LEIBERMAN: But Jane, that`s why -- Jane, that`s way, in some ways, I`m urging calm, because both the dash cam video and this video, while interesting and while we will dissect it for clues, substantively, we haven`t really seen much on the dash cam or on that to help us...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I do think...

LEIBERMAN: ... tell the narrative of who might initiate -- who might have initiated, who might have...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I beg to differ. I beg to differ, my dear friend.

Lisa Lockwood, investigator and author of "Undercover Angel," I think, look at this video. I think it tells a story. I think it explains George showing up. She`s there first. I mean, this is my conjecture. I don`t have any proof, obviously. I wasn`t there. But...

TAAFFE: She`s taunting him.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... she`s there first. George shows up, and she might have had words with him and said, "What are you doing here? I`m here. You know that this was my time."

And he goes -- he`s like, "I paid rent on this house" and goes in. Again conjecture.

And she goes, "OK, I`m going to follow you with the iPad camera and record everything you do." And then that leads to a confrontation that they have indoors.

Frank Taaffe, briefly, what do you say to my hypothetical scenario?

TAAFFE: I believe she was taunting him. I believe it was set up amicably, and it was -- it was ramped up. And she was taunting him by running around with an iPad. How would you feel if someone is running behind you with an iPad?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, if I thought it was my time to be in a house and somebody shows up unannounced says, "Well, I`m changing the plan" -- I`m not saying that happened -- I would say, "Well, maybe I`ll videotape you now so I have a document of -- I can document what occurred."

TAAFFE: Why?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Because they`re going through a divorce.

BONADUCE: Because they`re smart. Jane is right on this one.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Who said that? I love that, when somebody says Jane is smart. Danny. Thank you, Danny. I am right on this, I believe. But anyway, let`s take a short break, and we`ll continue our debate on the other side. I`d like to hear your analysis of this video, just in, and there`s more.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. ZIMMERMAN (via phone): He`s in his car. And he continuously has his hand on his gun, and he keeps saying, "Step closer." And he`s threatening all of us with his firearm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Step closer or what?

S. ZIMMERMAN: And he`s going shoot us.

O`MARA: It was a tragedy what happened that night, and it`s been a tragedy ever since.

S. ZIMMERMAN: He punched my dad in the nose. My dad has a mark on his face. He accosted my father. And then took my iPad out of my hands and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife.

O`MARA: A tragedy is now playing out with freedom (ph).

S. ZIMMERMAN: I don`t know what he`s capable of. I`m really -- really scared.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. This the video again that we just got in. I saw it for the first time along with you a second ago. And we`re going to go to Lisa Lockwood, who is an investigator and author of "Undercover Angel," out of Chicago.

Lisa, I want you to analyze this video. What does it tell you?

LISA LOCKWOOD, INVESTIGATOR/AUTHOR, "UNDERCOVER ANGEL: OK. This is obviously before she called 911. She didn`t have her phone with her. She was following him. An altercation -- a lot of times in domestic cases it`s verbal initially. They didn`t have an arbitrator there to help divide the property. So you can look at it. One of them instigated something. Somebody was either unhappy with what was being taken away from the scene. An argument became very heated, which can get physical. Dad could have gotten involved with trying to get the iPad or receive the iPad, got in the scuffle.

He would have been arrested if there was a victim. He would have been arrested. He was not arrested. There was no victim, and that`s the other reason they didn`t go into the vehicle.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, OK. You`re saying there was no victim...

LEIBERMAN: Well, we don`t know yet.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I disagree with that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Even the cops are saying that...

BONADUCE: I know there was no victim.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How do you know that, Danny?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She recanted he even had a gun.

BONADUCE: Because you don`t get a choice. I`ve dealt with the police many my past. They don`t really give you a lot of choices of whether you`re going to jail or not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s right.

BONADUCE: Nobody went to jail because there was no victim.

LEIBERMAN: Well, we don`t know yet whether there`s a victim. That`s the point. We don`t know if Shellie was the victim. We don`t know if George was the victim. We don`t know if anybody was the victim.

IVORY: But there was something very peculiar in that video that we haven`t mentioned. When George was walking up first, did you see him take a picture of the guy in the green shirt? So there must have been some kind of conversation like "Why are you taping me? Well, OK, I`m going to tape you, too, then."

So we can`t say one was taunting the other.

(CROSSTALK)

IVORY: Watch when George walks up. He takes a picture of the guy in the green. He was documenting as much as Shellie was.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me see. Here he comes. Oh, yes, yes. He`s got a cell phone camera. Good catch there. But there`s no -- but there`s no crime. There`s no crime.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is the guy in the green?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold on. Jon Leiberman, is the guy in the green a bodyguard? And if so, who is he guarding? Because I understood, and I`ve heard reports that George Zimmerman might have had some bodyguards. But why would he...

LEIBERMAN: Yes, well, this is...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead.

LEIBERMAN: There is the other thing, Jane, that doesn`t add up. There were at least seven people at the scene. They`ve all been questioned, and yet it appears they all have said different things. So that`s another sort of mystery here. Whenever you have seven people at one location, you should be able to get, you know, some corroboration of something.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Listen. This -- John from Georgia has been very patient and waiting a long time. John, Georgia, your question or thought, John.

Hey, John?

CALLER: Yes. My problem is...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead.

CALLER: Why was -- why did Mark O`Mara keep saying George Zimmerman had a gun if he didn`t have a gun?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, this is what we`ve been discussing. Areva Martin, the fact is they said he did not have a gun, but they also said they did not go inside his truck and look to see if he had a gun inside his truck.

Now, when Shellie is talking to 911, she makes a reference to him being at his truck. So it`s obvious that there`s -- to me it raises the possibility, did he -- did he put the gun in the glove compartment? And therefore, there`s really no answer to the question. That`s why we were debating whether or not the cops should have gotten a search warrant.

There`s the gray truck. OK. I forget the -- what is it? Green? Well, it looks gray from here. Well, it`s gray.

There`s the truck, and there`s the mystery woman hanging outside the truck that some have speculated might be George Zimmerman`s new girlfriend, even though Shellie and George only separated August 13, less than a month ago.

Frank -- Frank Taaffe, what do you have?

TAAFFE: Well, you know there are -- once again, there are many inconsistencies in her story. She first said that he brandished the gun. He was going to start shooting. She said that the garage door was going to be -- he`s trying to close the garage door on her dad. And the whole time when she`s making that call, he`s in the truck. So it doesn`t add up.

Two and two don`t equal four here. What it does equal is inconsistencies on her part and the truth and the facts will come out when they discover it on the iPad tomorrow.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we shall see. They`re working on that iPad right now. They could come up with that video any second. You remember the Jodi Arias case, she had deleted the incriminating photo and then thrown the camera with the sim card in the washing machine and they got those images back. They`re working on it right now, right now. And we will soon hopefully see what really happened.

But we`ve got more. We`re turning around some other tape from the home surveillance and it`s even more shocking, I`ve been told. Stay right there. We`re going to show it to you in a second.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So much in this case that`s going on is keeping everybody on edge. I know this. Shellie wants to be away from George and it appears that George wants to be away from Shellie.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop where you are.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get him back out there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Turn around. Walk back to me. Keep coming. Keep coming. Keep coming. Put your hands up. All right. Get on your knees. Cross your feet.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was video released just a little while ago of police apprehending George Zimmerman yesterday after his estranged wife called 911. We`ve got breaking news for you right now. And by the way, he was released without charges being filed. He was not taken to the station house.

Here`s new video from the home where it all happened. This is from a surveillance camera. You and I are seeing this for the first time. It`s mounted above the front door. Obviously it`s a surveillance camera that`s catching an altercation. Let`s watch carefully.

Look. Something got thrown out of George Zimmerman`s hands. It would appear that he threw something down. Was he throwing the iPad on the ground at that time? Maybe we can re-rack that and take a look at it one more time. But, ok, there it seems that -- looks like -- ok. Here it is we`re watching it again.

Look to the right of your screen. Study it carefully. The guy looks like George with a cap -- I can`t say for sure but something goes out of his hand. It looks like it could be an iPad.

Let`s go out to our "Lion`s Den". Hopefully you`ve all been able to see this. Do we have Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor? Have you been able to see this and what do you see?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: You know, I tell you this all the time, Jane. I need glasses. I can barely see the screen without squinting. I do see a little bit of it though and what think from your description is going on is correct that there was a confrontation, that maybe he was even aware he was being videotaped and that the camera was visible to both of them. I like video cameras especially when you have these kinds of contest where one person says this; the other one says something else.

I`m glad we`re going to finally know the truth objectively because I think both of them lack substantial credibility. I don`t know whose side to be on here. It`s quite possible that George Zimmerman is more of a victim than she is. It`s quite possible they`ve both been victims. But I`ll tell you this; in divorce cases everybody uses whatever leverage they can get their dirty little hands on to gain a leg up in the litigation, no question about it.

M1: Amen.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, I just want to say for the record it doesn`t have to be ugly. I did get divorced once many years ago and my husband and I went to a peaceful mediator. We each said "You take it, no you take it, no you take it." Then we signed the papers -- it cost only a couple of dollars and then we went to lunch. So it doesn`t have to be that way.

Frank Taaffe, you know -- you`re standing outside of this house right now live as the sun sets over Florida and you know the parties. What do you see there? Do you see George Zimmerman throwing something that looks like an iPad on the ground? Because his wife accused him of destroying the iPad.

TAAFFE: Yes, I do. Yes. I do. That`s the truth of the video. But let`s not forget these are two human beings that have been traumatized just like the Martin family. On the trauma scale --

(CROSSTALK)

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: That is ridiculous.

TAAFFE: Let me finish, please. Ok? I`m trying to make a very lucid point here that these two have been traumatized, you know, from the media, from the prosecution, throughout the world. Everybody knows the Zimmermans. Ok.

And let`s not forget these are two human beings that have been traumatized and now are going through a second level of a divorce. Let`s keep that human factor here also before we all want to throw George under the bus or smash him on his iPad.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The other thing Areva -- and you`ve been very well behaved --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Poor Areva she can`t get a word in edge wise because she`s being so well behaved. Here`s the thing. There are apparently, according one of our astute producers, six people in that video. So what about the witnesses, assuming that there is one objective witness in the group that`s not taking sides, wouldn`t the cops be able to get the real story from that witness -- Areva?

MARTIN: I think so, Jane, and I think that`s why there wasn`t an arrest made. The cops were there. They`re very trained, they`re very skilled at dealing with these situations. These are pretty routine domestic violence situations. They went out, they did a --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can I jump in? Ok -- let me jump in on that. Areva, the original controversy which I know happened in another jurisdiction -- the Sanford police -- they were criticized for essentially going easy initially on George Zimmerman. They said we don`t have enough to make it - - to file charges against him. They released him after he shot Trayvon Martin.

That`s what the entire uproar was about and the reason why he was ultimately -- there was a special prosecutor appointed and he was ultimately put before a jury even though he was acquitted. The real controversy was that nobody ever charged him. He wasn`t arrested and charged in the judicial sense and some are saying this is kind of a repeat.

(CROSSTALK)

MARTIN: I don`t think -- Jane I -- I understand your point about that but I think it`s too early. Yes, I think it`s too early to jump to that conclusion. The police are doing what they need to do. They`re taking that iPad. They`re going to analyze it. They`re going to tell us what happened. We`re not going to have to rely on the witness`s testimony or statements. We`re going to see from the iPad what actually happened.

And then if we see George Zimmerman involved in some kind of altercation and he`s not arrested, I think that`s the point at which we should all get, you know, in an uproar.

TAAFFE: Sure. And I agree with you Areva. But right now I think we`ve got to be patient and we`ve got to let the evidence be revealed in a way that we can make a good decision.

But Jane I want to talk about the comparison. You talked about Casey Anthony. I`m thinking O.J. Simpson here. This guy cannot just go and be quiet and go under the radar screen. And you know O.J. Simpson ended up in jail for a very long time after not being able to just rest after being acquitted for murder. So I hope the same thing doesn`t happen to George Zimmerman.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Very interesting point. Is he subconsciously looking to get punished? And the Casey Anthony comparison, on the other side. And we`re trying to turn around some more video from this newly-released home surveillance.

Stay right there.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is that blonde his new girlfriend?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does George have a new girlfriend?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, how could he not, he`s so dreamy?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In all seriousness, does he have one? My understanding is --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. I don`t know. At least he had -- according to reports today at least he had a 400-pound man and a nice- looking blond in his car.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SHELLIE ZIMMERMAN, WIFE OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: Oh my God. Dad -- Dad, get behind the car or something. I don`t know if he`s going to start shooting at us or not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you guys outside right now?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, we are. And the police have their weapons drawn.

Dad, get inside the house. George might start shooting at us. I don`t know. We`re going inside the house.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And guess what, we`ve got still more newly-turned around home surveillance video from the home where all of this went down yesterday. Let`s take a look. I`m seeing it for the first time as are you. Let`s just look at it. It`s just coming.

Breaking news. Now what are we seeing here? Looks like -- ok. George is going way back to the truck. Ok. We`re going to start it again. That`s a smash. Ok. Yes. We saw that. And then we see Shellie, there in the right corner, she picks it up, she picks up the iPad and then George is walking toward the truck. All right.

Lisa Lockwood, investigator and author of "Undercover Angel" your analysis.

LISA LOCKWOOD, AUTHOR, "UNDERCOVER ANGEL": Well, here is the case. She calls 911 saying that there`s an altercation, alleging that "he might shoot us", she`s then citing a whole bunch of, in my opinion, made up stories in order to get him in trouble for something that -- what did he do, he dropped the laptop. He got rid of the laptop. He was trying to get rid of evidence -- what have you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, he allegedly punched her dad in the nose.

LOCKWOOD: Allegedly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I know. But he has a cut. Can we get that little cut? Because remember --

LOCKWOOD: I`m going to tell you right now, handling so many domestic cases, there are people that get involved and get in the middle and try to break things up and try to pull away. He could have been pulling his daughter away and got scratched from his daughter. And she made up those allegations.

I`m telling you right now, 80 percent of the people who call 911 they`re legitimate cases. And a lot of times it`s the aggressor who calls 911 to just add some subterfuge to the whole entire scenario. They`re the ones who are usually guilty.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Danny Bonaduce -- Danny Bonaduce, talk show host and former child star, do you see any irony in the fact that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin dead after Trayvon -- he accused Trayvon of punching him in the nose and he had a hurt nose with blood in his nose. And now he`s accused of punching his father-in-law in the nose and the father-in- law has a cut on his nose?

DANNY BONADUCE, TALK SHOW HOST: Well, it`s interesting that you ask. It has been brought up a couple of times with the O.J. Simpson. I mean that parallel is absolutely amazing. And the question arises, is this guy screaming out to be punished? Does he have a difficult time living with the guilt? If he is and that`s possible, he`s a better man than I thought.

I would have thought he just hoped he got away with it and that was the end. But when I heard you mention that somebody else mention it, he might be walking through life going, I need to be punished for what I have done.

F1: Or it could just be karma, the way things work.

LOCKWOOD: No way.

TAAFFE: Punished for what? He was defending his life. What are you talking about?

F1: It could just be the way things work, that when you`re guilty things happen until you get locked up. That`s really what it could be.

MURPHY: Come on.

TAAFFE: You know, he was defending -- guilty of what?

MURPHY: I mean come on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, ok --

TAAFFE: He was defending his life that night.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: First of all he was found not guilty in a court of law. I want to stress that and that`s an important thing to point out.

TAAFFE: He feels guilty and remorse over the loss of the life but he was defending his life. Again, the truth and the evidence in the case spoke for itself just like it will here.

F1: No. The jury decided one thing. That does not mean that it showed that.

BONADUCE: No, he was acquitted but he did.

F1: He is still a killer.

BONADUCE: He is actually a killer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have to take a break. I will say that I feel that 90 percent of human behavior is motivated by the unconscious and I think it`s fair given that his soon to be ex brother-in-law said that he seems consumed by guilt and self-hatred after shooting Trayvon Martin. It`s fair to ask the question, is he subconsciously getting into these jams seeking some kind of punishment? But consciously he doesn`t know that. He`s just motivated by the unconscious.

I don`t know. But it`s a good theory.

Stay right there. We`ve got more right on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get on your knees. Cross your feet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was a domestic issue happening at the residence.

ZIMMERMAN: He continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying, "Step closer." He`s just threatening all of us with his firearm.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Step closer and what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was being threatened with a handgun.

ZIMMERMAN: And he`s going to shoot us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Keep coming. Keep coming.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She stood by her hand like Tammy Wynette says.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anytime you have a divorce, emotions are going to run high. In this case, obviously that was happening.

ZIMMERMAN: There`s a woman in there. Oh my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh my --

ZIMMERMAN: Oh.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ok. Shellie. Take a couple of deep breaths for me. All right?

ZIMMERMAN: Someone`s in there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Excuse me.

ZIMMERMAN: There`s a woman in there. Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my --

ZIMMERMAN: Oh --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shellie?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The mystery blonde -- most shocking of all for Shellie as she heads to divorce court. Now we`re going to go out to the phone lines. Got to tell you, George Zimmerman could actually get charged tomorrow, or maybe Shellie. We don`t know.

That video, the surveillance video, excuse me, the video from the iPad, the broken iPad, could come out as soon as tomorrow. We`re going to bring it to you tomorrow, and it`s going to be, I`m sure, very, very traumatic either way.

Let`s go to the phone lines, a gentleman from Mississippi. Very patient. Ty, your question or thought -- Ty, Mississippi.

TY, MISSISSIPPI (via telephone): Hey, Jane. How are you? Congratulations and thank you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

TY: Real quick. If this could have been anyone else in America, they would have been arrested, put in handcuffs. They would have went down to the station, a statement would have been made and then the determination to release them would have been done.

Not putting race into the equation, but if it was an African-American male or a Hispanic male, they would have been arrested because there was a gun in the commission of a crime. They would have searched the vehicle, the person in the vehicle would have also been taken out and put into custody, and that person was a threat. They`re showing Mr. Zimmerman favoritism which is giving him the emboldening feeling of just --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Invincibility.

(inaudible)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. Wendy Murphy, I think our caller makes an excellent point. You know, I`ve said it a million times. I see kids -- usually children of color, teenagers of color, put down, face down on the ground, spread eagle, et cetera, et cetera. By the way, George Zimmerman is of Hispanic descent which is not a race it`s an ethnicity representing 25 countries but his father is not Hispanic -- his mother is, that`s my understand. But in any case, your reaction to the caller?

MURPHY: Well, first of all it`s an excellent point except that it`s 100 percent wrong. And here`s why it`s wrong, and Danny B is wrong for the same reason, when he says everybody else when they get in trouble --

BONADUCE: We`ll see.

MURPHY: -- like this, gets arrested. Everybody gets arrested. Everybody goes to jail. 80 percent to 90 percent of domestic violence in this country even when reported to police is not prosecuted. Even when prosecuted, the charges are often dropped. When the woman says, I`ve got to --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. And --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have to take a break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: 20 seconds. Danny Bonaduce?

BONADUCE: Well, I`ll tell you that, I think nobody`s brought up, why is there a video camera inside the house? A lot of my celebrity friends have video inside the house so they can prove who`s telling the truth. So everybody knew it was there and was probably on their best behavior.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Got to leave it right there. Join us tomorrow. We should have the answer to the video.

Nancy is next.

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