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New Questions on D.C. Chase; Weather Outlook; Indy Car Crash; Indy Car Crash; Interview with Miriam Carey's Sisters; Nine-Year-Old Sneaks onto Plane

Aired October 7, 2013 - 08:30   ET

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MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Welcome back to NEW DAY. Time now for the five things you need to know for your new day.

At number one, a pair of U.S. military raids in Africa. The Army's Delta Force catching an al Qaeda operative in Libya and Navy SEALs going after a terror leader in Somalia.

It is day seven of the shutdown. We are getting closer to next week's debt ceiling. Three hundred thousand defense workers have been recalled to work today and payback is - back pay, rather, is expected to be approved for furloughed workers.

More hot button issues as the Supreme Court begins its fall term. On their docket, whether prayer has a place in government settings, the amount of freedoms states have to restrict abortions and big money's influence in politics.

The process of dismantling and destroying Syria's chemical weapons stockpile now underway. U.N. inspectors hope to have the mission completed by the middle of next year.

And at number five, new Nobel Prize winners for medicine. Yale's James Rothman, Randy Schekman of UC-Berkley and Sanford's Thomas Sudhof discovered the transport and delivery system of cargo within our cells. The three men will split $1.2 million.

We always update those five things to know for your new day, so go to newdaycnn.com for the latest.

Kate, over to you.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Thanks, Michaela.

We're learning new details this morning about Miriam Carey, the woman who lost her life after leading police on a car chase from the White House to Capitol Hill. She was 34-year-old dental hygienist, a new mother, and most tellingly, she had struggled with mental illness after the birth of her young daughter. Still, the details fail to explain what brought this young mom to drive into a White House barricade. And you see the video there of how it all kind of unfolded. Joining us now to talk more about this are Miriam Carey's sisters, Valarie Carey and Amy Carey-Jones, as well as their attorney, Eric Sanders. Thank you so much for being here this morning. I can only imagine that it is no easier to see that video and to talk about this as it was - today, as it was last week. How is the family doing this morning?

VALARIE CAREY, MIRIAM CAREY'S SISTER: We are holding up as best as possible under the circumstances. It's still surreal and, of course, until we actually see our sister's body, which we haven't actually seen her yet, the reality, the gravity of it is just going to be that much more impactful when it - when we actually do see her.

BOLDUAN: Do you have any expectation of when that would happen, when you'll be able to see your sister's body?

AMY CAREY-JONES, MIRIAM CAREY'S SISTER: We're not sure. We went to identify her and then we have to get through the necessary paperwork and autopsies and things like that. So we're in the process of also making funeral arrangements so that we can have the body transported. So it's a lot of steps that we need to take before we can actually see her.

BOLDUAN: Of course. That's totally understandable.

One thing that I know a lot of people -- that stick with a lot of people after seeing this kind of terrifying ordeal play out is her young daughter, your young niece.

CAREY-JONES: Yes.

BOLDUAN: The fact that she was in that car with her the entire time. How is she now? Are you trying to win custody of her? Where does that stand?

CAREY-JONES: Well, we're not really going to get into that part of it. We just - we're aware that she's safe and we will continually keep in contact with her. Where she'll end up, we're not sure yet.

BOLDUAN: You don't know yet?

CAREY-JONES: We're not - we're not sure.

BOLDUAN: OK. I know that you've had very little time to begin digesting the details and what this means and how this squares with the woman that you've known all of your lives. What sense have you made of this to this point? Does it - does it make any sense? Does this connect at all to the woman that you've known for so long?

CAREY: It actually doesn't make any sense. And the question really isn't why was she in Washington, the question is, why was she killed in Washington. All I can see when I look at that video is my sister's afraid and she's frightened and she's trying to get out of there. She's confused. She doesn't know which way to go. And I couldn't - I just can't imagine what she was thinking as she's trying to get away from bullet shots.

BOLDUAN: And you are a former NYPD officer. As you're looking at the video and you know your sister, what -- we know that you believe that the use of force by officers was unjustified. When you see the video, how do you think that officers could have reacted any differently?

CAREY: Well, my sister didn't have a gun. She was not shooting a weapon from her vehicle. So deadly physical force of a weapon being fired upon her car, I don't believe was justified.

BOLDUAN: We can always take a look at this with hindsight being much clearer than in that moment, but when you look at that, do you also acknowledge that your sister was contributing to how this outcome happened?

CAREY: I -

ERIC SANDERS, CAREY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Absolutely not. And we want to - we want to put a stop to it at this point.

BOLDUAN: Uh-huh.

SANDERS: She didn't contribute to anything. She's a U.S. citizen and she had absolutely every right to be in the nation's capital. The police officers have protocols. The fact that someone may be emotionally disturbed, which they don't know at the time, those are all factors you're trained for. What happened here is a failure of the training because that still doesn't give you the right to use deadly physical force. Every major police department has the same policy, you can't shoot at a fleeing person because you have to factor in that they may not understand, they may be confused, they may be lost. There's a whole bunch of factors you have to consider and you just don't shoot at a vehicle. That's not the way it works.

BOLDUAN: This is clearly one of many of the questions that you still have -

CAREY: Absolutely.

BOLDUAN: And will be asking going forward.

Some of the focus has turned to her mental health. The last time that you saw her, the last time that you spoke with her, did she seem unwell?

CAREY-JONES: She seemed fine and the fact that they -- they're focusing only on her mental health, that doesn't define an individual. She was under treatment. She was the same loving person that we knew, and she had, you know, her life challenges but that doesn't mean that she still wasn't a person. She seemed fine when we last spoke to here. There were no signs of delusion or erratic behavior, no voices, none of those things are real, you know, conversations for us.

BOLDUAN: And that's some -- that's some of what has come from her boyfriend, saying that she had been suffering from delusions, that she thought that President Obama had her town and her house under lockdown and under surveillance. She -- you've never heard anything from her that raised your - raised eyebrows in that way?

CAREY-JONES: No. CAREY: No. And, once again, when people are making statements, you just have to look at the source of where those statements are coming from.

BOLDUAN: You're questioning her boyfriend then?

CAREY: Absolutely.

BOLDUAN: So what -- what kind of treatment was she under? Was she in the middle of treatment? Was she taking medications? Where was she in her treatment?

SANDERS: Well, they don't - well, see, that's the problem. They don't know at this point. No one knows - no one can answer that question. And I heard lots of speculation and for the most part I haven't injected myself in i these conversations like this, but no one knows. This is all speculation. And as soon as she was receiving treatment, that still doesn't answer the question about the use of force. That's the ultimate question.

BOLDUAN: There -- obviously the investigation continues, is ongoing. Do you have -- how do you want your sister to be remembered? Because when she is splashed up against the headlines and her picture is associated with a scary ordeal like this, I'm sure that's very different than how the family knows her. How do you want your sister to be remembered?

CAREY: I want my sister to be remembered as the fun-loving, full of life person, as she was young, energetic, full of aspirations. My sister is going to be greatly missed. She was a very integral part of our lives, and that's a part that's not going to be replaced.

BOLDUAN: How about you, Amy?

CAREY-JONES: I believe the same thing. We spoke a lot. We had a very great relationship. I'm going to miss being with her and just seeing her enthusiasm for life. She was a great woman.

BOLDUAN: And I think you're probably sharing -- I think many of our viewers are probably sharing some of the conflict that you guys are feeling internally, when you know the woman that you know so well and you're so - and you have that connection. She is your sister. And then you see what happened in the headlines and how this all ended. Well, thank you so much for sitting here and talking with us. We can only imagine what your family is going through, but thank you very much for your time this morning.

CAREY-JONES: Thank you.

SANDERS: Thank you.

CAREY: Thank you.

BOLDUAN: Of course. Thank you very much, Eric.

SANDERS: Thank you. BOLDUAN: All right, Chris, back to you.

CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Kate, we're going to take a break now. When we come back on NEW DAY, have you seen the crash that happened this weekend? Watch this. Debris is going to rain down on a crowd at an Indy car race in Houston. We'll tell you all about it.

And, a nine-year-old somehow gets through airport security and onto a flight to Vegas. He didn't even have a ticket. It's a crazy story. We'll have it coming up for you.

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BOLDUAN: Welcome back to NEW DAY. Let's get straight to Karen Maginnis, in for Indra Petersons, for a look at the forecast.

How's it looking so far?

KAREN MAGINNIS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, good morning. You'll have to wait for those showers and storms to move through because a cold front is expected to pass across New York City and that I-95 corridor in the next several hours. We think just about noontime you'll be inundated with rainfall. It could be heavy at times. But also the potential for severe weather with some high winds and lots of lightning, and the potential for an isolated tornado possible. Gusty winds in upstate New York, also into Vermont, as well as across interior sections of Maine as well. Wind gusts as high as 50 miles an hour. Here comes the frontal system. Even in portions of the Carolinas you could see upwards of four inches of rain, one to two inches possible across the northeast.

Chris.

CUOMO: All right, thank you very much. Appreciate the report.

Now, we want to tell you about this crash this weekend. A dozen spectators were injured. Champion race car driver Dario Franchitti was hospitalized after what we're about to show you. A frightening crash. The final lap of Sunday's Indy car race in Houston. Here's the whole story from Mark McKay.

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MARK MCKAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Last lap horror in Houston.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is a thundering, thundering blow.

MCKAY: Three-time Indy 500 champion Dario Franchitti, attempting to make a high speed pass, instead goes airborne, cart-wheeling and destroying the catch fence as his car virtually disintegrates around him. Franchitti's car hits the back of Takuma Sato's, forcing his car to slam into the trackside fencing, too. Debris rained into the spectator's stands injuring at least 13.

Carl Daniels shot this unbelievable video of the crash from the stands.

CARL DANIELS, INDY CAR CRASH WITNESS (voice-over): The car, which was one piece, became nothing more than confetti pelting all of us. Pieces of it were all around us. I was literally, literally thinking that my life is over, but there was no time to say, can you duck, can you run, can you get away. It was like, this is it.

MCKAY: Franchitti is hospitalized with injuries ranging from a concussion, a broken right ankle and a spinal fracture that doctors say won't require surgery. The 40-year-old is married to actress Ashley Judd, but the couple announced they were separating earlier this year. Judd tweeted her thanks for the prayers and said she and her dogs were on the way to Houston. The Franchitti crash came just 10 days shy of the two-year anniversary of a spectacular Indy car crash in Las Vegas that took the life of driver Dan Wheldon. In the wake of that tragedy came calls for changes to protective fencing at oval tracks. Sunday's race was held on a street circuit in the shadow of the Houston Astrodome. It serves as another example of the dangers associated with a sport that thrives on speed.

Mark McKay, CNN, Atlanta.

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CUOMO: You know whenever one of these crashes happens, it's terrible and we wish the best to Mr. Franchitti, the fans there. There's a little bit of assumption of risk. You know that it's dangerous sport.

BOLDUAN: Right.

CUOMO: But that these cars, they do so much more R&D on safety than anything else, you see it in NASCAR and Indy car. He basically is going to be ok from that and that's amazing. The sports is very safety conscious.

BOLDUAN: When you see that video, I mean we talked to one of the spectators earlier in the show, and he was right when you see that video and you see that crash, it's almost impossible to believe that someone would come out of that alive and he's relatively unscathed.

CUOMO: Ten years ago it wouldn't happen.

BOLDUAN: Good point.

Coming up next on NEW DAY a nine-year-old gets on a plane no, parents, no ticket, he somehow got through security and got on the flight. How did it happen? That's what the TSA is trying to figure out this morning.

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PEREIRA: Welcome back to NEW DAY.

We've been talking about this story all day and it has all of us scratching our heads -- the shocking lapse in security at Minneapolis- St. Paul International Airport. A nine-year-old boy boards a plane last Thursday, he doesn't have a boarding pass, he doesn't have I.D., oh and he doesn't have an adult. The TSA is investigating what happened here. But they said that the little boy was security screened. What exactly does this say about security at the nation's airports?

We bring in Fran Townsend to talk all about this with us. We're all just mystified at how this could have happened. Most of us can't get through the airport at all without a billion checks.

FRANCES TOWNSEND, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: If it makes you feel any better Michaela, I who was responsible for homeland security at the White House am also mystified. And the notion that the TSA is going to tell -- you still worry about it, because he went through the screening and he obviously didn't have a weapon, he wasn't a terrorist. So it's ok, I don't think so.

PEREIRA: Aside from just the fact that a nine-year-old is traveling alone and is unsupervised -- that's a whole concerning level but national security --

TOWNSEND: Right.

PEREIRA: -- it's pointing some massive lapse.

TOWNSEND: Oh sure and you know the TSA at one point had said well, you know, we're down staffing because of the budget issue. You know, the nonsense; the furloughs, nonsense. One individual checks boarding passes as you go through before you go through the security screening. Obviously he didn't have -- a nine-year-old by the way, who don't need I.D. but you do need a ticket for this nine-year-old. You do have to have a parent or he's got to be registered as an unaccompanied minor.

Neither so it wasn't picked up at that point. He goes through screening. The ticket agent at the gate, who's supposed to match an individual to a boarding pass, that didn't happen and by the way, when you get on the plane the flight crew does a head count and they check with the gate agent to make sure you have so many boarding passes we've got so many bodies. That clearly didn't happen.

So there are multiple points of failure here. It ought to be concerning.

BOLDUAN: When you look at the number of levels of security that were missed, that did not --

PEREIRA: Breach, breach, breach.

BOLDUAN: Yes breach, after breach after breach, from a security perspective what's the most troubling thing that the TSA or maybe the airline needs to look at quickly in the aftermath of this?

TOWNSEND: Well this is how anybody got through all these points without the boarding pass. Frankly, that's the real concerning part here. I mean all of us as Michaela says all of us go through these multiple levels, you're used to taking your shoes off, putting your stuff on the conveyor belt. And I think that -- you know, people want to think -- you see a child and the child was obviously pretty clever, right.

BOLDUAN: Right.

TOWNSEND: He may have said I'm with those people. My mom is walking, you know, so you want to believe this kid but it's a reminder that you can't --

CUOMO: They gave the kid a pass because he's a kid and he's not a perceived threat. And maybe he does have a little bit of Abagnale, the guy from "Catch Me If You Can".

BOLDUAN: Right.

PEREIRA: You think.

CUOMO: Maybe he's had a rep. I think the more interesting --

BOLDUAN: Maybe he's claiming to be the (inaudible).

CUOMO: That's right. The more interesting part of the story to me is going to be how he got there.

TOWNSEND: Right.

CUOMO: The parents in the story, how he got to be where he was, what he was, thought he was doing, that will be interesting to hear that side of it, but it's kind of a no brainer that they just dropped the ball.

TOWNSEND: And Chris he had been in the airport, he had taken a bag off a carousel. Went to dine -- dine and dash, right. The kid says, will you catch this while I go to the men's room? Doesn't pay his check and ticks off the cafe owner, by the way -- you know, what happened to see something say something with an unaccompanied bag.

CUOMO: Sadly in a way there's an irony here is that the innocence of the old way of living is gone. Not even a kid can be taken at their word. Sadly, there needs to be a certain level of anxiety about everything that happens now otherwise --

PEREIRA: I'm going to argue even years ago a child at an airport? A major airport alone would put up red flags, even pre-9/11, don't you think?

CUOMO: It depends what the kid is saying. You know nine -- I've got one of these in my house.

TOWNSEND: Yes.

CUOMO: They can be very crafty.

TOWNSEND: Me, too.

PEREIRA: That's true. CUOMO: I shouldn't have gone back. I forgot my ticket.

BOLDUAN: He's got personal experience.

PEREIRA: Good point. Fair enough. You're going to give the benefit of the doubt to the kid. Sure, if it were me I wouldn't have gotten through.

BOLDUAN: They've got some work to do, we know that, out of this.

PEREIRA: Fran Townsend, always a delight to have you.

BOLDUAN: She's at the big table with us today.

CUOMO: Yes. Fran, stay for "The Good Stuff", will you? In Today's edition, we have cakes and cookies. They're supposed to fun, happy. Right? Not these cakes and cookies but they may be better for you. Here's why. Just wait a second.

The cookies they're dark and gray, some are frowny faces, discouraging phrases on them. Quite frankly, they are depressing by design. Why? Well, it's all designed to raise money and awareness for mental illness.

There's a twist though. On the inside of the treats there are bright colors, sweet flavors representing hope.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We've got our gray vanilla cupcakes that we made and they're nice and extra concrete looking and we're going to fill them with M&Ms.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think because it's such a creative idea turning something traditionally happy to something gray is making people talk about depression. The numbers -- the statistics of one in four people from mental illness is very high.

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CUOMO: And that's why it's the good stuff. You know you know somebody who struggles with mental illness. They're in your family, they're in your extended family. We see them ignored. We don't see the systems in place. And that's why we see this cycle so often play out in violent episodes. We just saw one in the nation's capital.

All the proceeds from the Depressed Cake Shop go to the National Alliance on Mental Illness, a very happy mission for a sad looking treat. And if that wasn't enough, we're also told they taste pretty good.

BOLDUAN: You were told?

CUOMO: Yes.

BOLDUAN: Did you research this? CUOMO: I didn't have them but I'll tell you what; I want to get them. It happened too fast. I'd like to bring them in because the issue --

PEREIRA: What a creative idea.

CUOMO: And it's important. We have to keep talking about it. You see it in the confusion within the family and with the Careys and how the perception is to the rest of the people.

BOLDUAN: And we only talk about it when something horrible happens and it's in the headlines.

CUOMO: Yes.

BOLDUAN: They're trying to talk about it beforehand.

CUOMO: Thank you for tipping us off about the cookies and the push for awareness. It comes from you. Bring us the stories so that we can tell you more of "The Good Stuff".

BOLDUAN: Exactly. We will be right back.

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CUOMO: Thanks for watching us here on NEW DAY. We hope you have a great day and a great way to continue it right now is with Miss Carol Costello. Take it away my friend.

CAROL COSTELLO, CNN ANCHOR: I certainly will. Have a great day. Thank you so much.

"NEWSROOM" starts now.

Happening now in "THE NEWSROOM", terror on the track.

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DANIELS: -- confetti, pelting all of us, pieces of it were all around of us. I was literally, literally thinking that my life is over.

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COSTELLO: Fans run for cover as pieces of Dario Franchitti's car rained down on them.

Also --

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LEW: Congress is playing with fire. If they don't extend the debt limit --

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COSTELLO: Shutdown showdown, day seven.

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