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Fiscal Crisis Talks Move to Senate; Arrest Made in Baby Hope's Killing; Seven Killed in India Cyclone; Food Stamp Access Restored in 17 States

Aired October 13, 2013 - 08:00   ET

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SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV), MAJORITY LEADER: I hope that our talking gives some solace to the American people.

VICTOR BLACKWELL, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Both sides are doing a lot of talking, but are they doing any fixing? The discussion, the debate, and the deadlock drags on in D.C.

ANA CABRERA, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Finally answers and an arrest. A cold case solved this weekend after 22 years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can now attach a name to this little girl.

CABRERA: How an anonymous tip helped crack the case of 4-year- old Baby Hope.

BLACKWELL: Plus, faith and a whole lot of fortune.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is no secret what God can do. You see my bling? You see my --

BLACKWELL: The new hit reality series that's got everybody talking about these mega pastors and their mega money.

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CABRERA: Good morning, everyone. I'm Ana Cabrera.

BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell. It's 8:00 on the East Coast.

This is NEW DAY SUNDAY.

CABRERA: This morning, it is day 13 of the shutdown. The ball is now in the Senate's court.

BLACKWELL: Yes, the pressure is resting on Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell. They have to come up with a deal to reopen the government and, of course, raise the debt ceiling.

CABRERA: Now, frustrated House Republicans say President Obama rejected their offer and most left town, in fact, and in a huff. BLACKWELL: Let's talk to CNN's Candy Crowley, host of "STATE OF THE UNION".

Candy, what can Senators Reid and McConnell do that the House GOP couldn't and, remembering that the House has to agree to this at some point?

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, the House side, the House having to agree to this at some point, the truth is part of the reason that the Senate can often produced a compromise for the House cannot is that this is a group where 60 votes really are needed to get anything done. Therefore, neither side has that number, to kind of put things on the Senate floor for voting.

So they are used to working with each other. There's a little more feeling on the Senate floor or in the Senate that they can get things done. There is more real partisan divides on the House side. So, there's that.

There is also the fact that these two men have a long standing relationship. They were whips together. Those are people that count the votes on the Senate. They came roughly the same time into the Senate. They're not BFFs, but they're both really good tacticians.

Senator McConnell would very much like to end this thing. Senator Reid right now is playing hard ball. But they both have a pretty good track record of getting things done.

Now, as for the House, who knows? The House already thinks the Senate is going to send them down river and send them something that the House Republican caucus won't go for.

CABRERA: And, Candy, of course, "STATE OF THE UNION" at 9:00 Eastern. So, about an hour from now, we know you'll be dissecting this whole situation. Who will you be talking to this morning?

CROWLEY: Among other, Senator Rand Paul, Senator Susan Collins and Senator Amy Klobuchar.

BLACKWELL: All right. Looking forward to the conversation.

CABRERA: Candy Crowley, thank you so much.

Stay here for "STATE OF THE UNION WITH CANDY CROWLEY." Again, it starts at the top of the hour. That's 9:00 a.m. Eastern, right here on CNN.

BLACKWELL: It's being called a million vet march. And it hits Washington this morning. Veterans are gathering at the World War II Memorial. They're angry the Obama administration initially set up barricades around the memorial because of the shutdown. And a lot of them walked past those barricades.

Former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is scheduled to speak at today's rally. She says the administration, quote, "dishonored veterans by setting up barricades at the open air memorial."

CABRERA: The 9-year-old boy who sneaked aboard a Delta flight to Las Vegas is back in his hometown of Minneapolis. This is according to a family spokesman. He had been in a foster home in Nevada since October 3rd. That's when he managed to slip through security and board the plane, all without a guardian or even a boarding pass. The boy's dad has acknowledged his son has some behavioral problems.

BLACKWELL: Police in New York say they finally cracked a murder- mystery that they've been trying to solve for more than 20 years.

CABRERA: They say they have caught the man who killed a 4-year- old girl known only as Baby Hope. But now they say they know the child's real identity as well.

Here is Margaret Conley.

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MARGARET CONLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It was a break that caught an alleged killer, and revealed Baby Hope's real name.

RAY KELLY, NYPD COMMISSIONER: Detectives from the Bronx violent, felony squad apprehended Conrado Juarez, age 52, of the Bronx, also known as Enidino Juarez, in connection with the murder of 4-year-old Anjelica Castillo, a child victim known for the last 22 years as Baby Hope.

CONLEY: Retired detective Gerry Giorgio had heard from colleagues they were close to solving the case.

JERRY GIORGIO, RETIRED DETECTIVE, NYPD: When I got the phone call, the news, I was elated. I was on cloud nine.

CONLEY: He was the lead detective in 1991. The decomposed body of a 4-year-old girl was found stuffed in the cooler discarded by the highway, and her body folded in half and bound. She had been sexually abused.

No one ever claimed the body. Days turned to months, turned to years.

By 1993, the 34th precinct squad had given the little girl the name Baby Hope and a face recreated by computer rendering. The squad also paid for her funeral.

GIORGIO: There was not a dry eye in the bunch including me, and the church was full, about 500 people in the church. She truly became a member of the community.

CONLEY: Anniversaries passed and police persisted and finally a break. Police recently got a call on their hotline, and the caller said she'd been told several years ago by a young woman that her parents had killed her sister, that tip and advances in DNA testing led cold case detectives to find the mother of Baby Hope and arrest the cousin who police say murdered her. At her funeral over two decades ago, the assistant chief Joe Reznick delivered her eulogy.

ASST. CHIEF JOE REZNICK, NEW YORK POLICE: The justice is going to be when some judge lowers his gavel and says, you are going to jail for the rest of your life.

CONLEY: In this final chapter for these detectives, they'll soon replace this plaque at Baby Hope's name, and set in stone her real name, Anjelica Castillo.

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BLACKWELL: CNN's Margaret Conley joins us live from New York. It is amazing that after two decades they were able to find the man who they say is responsible. What more can you tell us about how police broke the case?

CONLEY: Victor, when we spoke with assistant Chief Resnick, he talked about seeing the photo of Anjelica's body after it was removed from the cooler. He said that image has been engraved in his mind and he'll never forget it. I saw that photo. I can understand why.

These police detectives, they're perseverance has paid off, and that is what led to the arrest. They would talk about her anniversary and when they found her body and then someone saw that news report and finally spoke up.

The developments of DNA testing, that's also helped. Police say the man they have arrested has confessed to this crime. He's charged with murder in the second degree. It's a felony murder. He'll be in court again next week on October 21st.

CABRERA: And, Margaret, I still have a lot of questions in this case. You know, the parents never came forward initially to report their child missing. Do you know if they are also under investigation in this case?

CONLEY: That's right, Ana. Lots of questions still remain. They did talk to the mother. I believe that they're still trying to find the father. They've been trying to piece together a family tree for the past few days or few weeks. We don't know exactly how long they've been working on this, but a lot of questions.

This child was living with a relative. No one reported her missing for 22 years. So we'll be bringing you the details as we learn them.

BLACKWELL: We believe you certainly will. Margaret Conley, staying on top of it in our New York bureau this morning. Thank you, Margaret.

CABRERA: Let's talk about severe weather hitting parts of our world this morning. Thirteen people are dead, three are missing after a typhoon pounded the Philippines. Authorities attribute the deaths to falling trees, electrocution, mudslides among other hazards there. The storm has displaced about 43,000 people. Another 1,900 people are stranded at ports that provide ferry service around the nation of islands.

BLACKWELL: To India, where seven people are confirmed dead in that monster cyclone that tore off roofs and flipped cars and drove almost a million people from their homes.

CABRERA: Authorities are working to relocate those who evacuated ahead of Phailin. This storm is still packing winds of 70 miles per hour.

BLACKWELL: Mudslides and flooding is still possible.

Meteorologist Karen Maginnis is in the CNN severe weather center.

Karen, so the storm made land fall. It's not gone yet as we said. Where is it headed?

KAREN MAGINNIS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It is moving towards the Northwest. But a lot of that moisture is going to make its way towards Nepal. Now in advance of landfall, which is about 17 hours ago in this northeastern state of India, they had to evacuate just about one million people, which is the equivalent of the population of Dallas, Texas. So if you can imagine the daunting task that it would take to do that.

So, quite the undertaking there. They're evaluating what the property has done and the agriculture areas, business areas and you can imagine how devastating a hurricane would be that would make landfall, the equivalent of that, a category 4 hurricane.

Well, across the United States it would be devastating. In this low lying area, it's very vulnerable.

In the United States, we're looking at a taste of winter. All the way from Billings, Montana, down towards Yellowstone Park, and into the front range of Colorado. On the backside of this system, cold enough air that in those higher peaks, you could see 10 inches of snowfall. The thunderstorms will rocket in across Texas and for today for this afternoon and in Dallas, right around Arlington about an 80 percent chance of storms. We'll keep you updated.

BLACKWELL: Thank you, Karen. Karen Maginnis, of course.

CABRERA: Still to come on NEW DAY: a huge inconvenience for millions of families after stores all across the country decline debit cards for food stamps. We'll tell if you the shutdown is to blame for this glitch.

Plus, a controversy brewing for years -- should the Washington Redskins rename the team? A former player Clinton Portis joins us live and she's going to weigh in on this debate.

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CABRERA: Thirteen minutes after the top of the hour. And for the first time this month, the Statue of Liberty is open for business, as we give you a live picture of Lady Liberty.

New York state is actually picking up the tab to operate the statue for at least the six days, as the government shutdown continues. Now, that bill comes to about $369,000. That, however, is far less than New York was losing in tourist dollars.

BLACKWELL: Sightseers are lining up again to get into Grand Canyon National Park. What's the song for Grand Canyon? Do we have the Grand Canyon song? No.

All right. Arizona is paying the federal government more than $650,000 to run the park and that just covers one week, 5 million tourists and wallets visit the canyon each year. So, of course, they need those folks back. Now as far as anybody can tell, the government shutdown really didn't cause the big glitch in the food stamp program.

CABRERA: But for several hours yesterday, electronic payment cards for food stamps were declined at stores in 17 states. Of course, a lot of people go shopping on the weekends. This was a huge problem. Xerox which handled the transactions for the government says a computer crash was what knocked this system off line.

And our Nick Valencia has been looking into this for us.

Nick, what happened?

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Like you said, a computer glitch. Xerox, which is the company that contracts the food stamp program, they said they were running backup system maintenance. And that went, about 11:00 a.m. yesterday, it went down. It lasted well into Saturday night for some of the states.

The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, as it's officially called, it is administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. That led a lot of people to speculate that this could potentially have something to do with the partial government shutdown. That's just not the case.

What we hear from several state officials is that it's unrelated to the partial shutdown. But for people like this California woman that you're about to hear from, that real write doesn't matter. She wasn't able to get very needed groceries.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's going to hurt bad (ph). I just had to spend cash plus my Wal-Mart money and I just grabbed a few banks and paid cash for it and put it in God's hands.

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VALENCIA: We're hearing some reports on it, Victor, that some people left in tears. You can imagine the unneeded stress that this caused thousands of people yesterday.

BLACKWELL: Yes. And you can imagine that moment when you're standing there with all the food bank and you can't swipe it and she's got to hand over the cash. She had allotted for something else. My question is, is there a backup plan, a plan B here, if this happens?

VALENCIA: And so, the people that were affected by it, that's what they were saying. Where is the plan B? Where is the backup plan? Why did you conduct this, the maintenance, during pick grocery shopping hours, during the weekend, you could have done this overnight?

Xerox, the company contractor, they had a response to that. They said beneficiaries who required immediate access to the benefits could work with their local merchants who can activate a emergency voucher process were available.

The thing is that this emergency voucher process, it wasn't available in all stores. It wasn't available in all vendors. So some people couldn't access this at all. Some people are just, you know, out of luck.

CABRERA: Everything is fixed, though, now?

VALENCIA: Yes, everything is fixed. Everything is resolved. All 17 states, including here in Georgia back to normal. Much, you know, a lot of inconvenience for these people yesterday.

BLACKWELL: Nick Valencia, good to have you back in studio. You've been out a lot in storms and Starbucks --

CABRERA: And he still has a smile on his face.

VALENCIA: I'm still here. You know, I get to spend the morning with you guys. Welcome to Atlanta.

CABRERA: Thank you. I've enjoyed it.

BLACKWELL: Nick, thank you very much.

CABRERA: There is another battle brewing in Washington this morning. No, this is not about the debt ceiling or the shutdown. We're talking about the battle to change the name of the NFL's Washington Redskins. In fact, one of the team's former stars is going to join me next.

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BLACKWELL: Twenty minutes after the hour.

You're looking at the starting line of the Chicago marathon. Live pictures here. It's the first major big city marathon since the bombings in April, Boston's famous 26.2.

Organizers here in Chicago are stepping up security, large bags, backpacks not allowed there. And bomb teams with dogs will patrol that course. Again, live pictures at the start of the Chicago marathon. CABRERA: Looks like a nice day there. It is Sunday. So, that means millions of you might be getting ready to watch football later today. It will be hard for some fans to forget about the controversial battle that's brewing off the field and all over the news this week. One that even reached the office of the president is a fight over the name of the Washington Redskins.

In fact, some fans and Native American groups have said the name is racist. It needs to go. In fact, President Obama has even said he would think about changing the name if he owned the team.

BLACKWELL: But the real owner, Dan Snyder, he is not budging. He says it is here to stay. So joining us now to talk about this, former Redskins star Clinton Portis and "Washington Post" sports columnist Mike Wise.

You played for the team. Should the name change?

CLINTON PORTIS, FORMER WASHINGTON REDSKIN: I'm biased to the name change. You know, I think I understand the derogatory statement when it comes to Native Americans, but at the same time, I think when you play for such a historic franchise and the reason why Mr. Snyder bought the -- I mean, Washington Redskins, I think you look at that, you see the dilemma on both stages.

So I know it's derogatory to those people. But who are those people? When you say Native Americans, which group is it? Is it a whole Native American stance? Is it just a few people which it is in so many cases?

BLACKWELL: How many people have to be offended?

PORTIS: I'm not sure. I think this is a political -- I think if this was anywhere besides Washington it wouldn't be as big as it is.

But being that it's in the nation's capital and everything is politics, I think that's why you have this issue.

CABRERA: And we know the name has been around since 1933. That's when it went from the Braves to the Redskins. That name has changed that year.

Let's bring in Mike in D.C.

You say it's not a question if the team name will change, but when. Why now?

MIKE WISE, SPORTS COLUMNIST, WASHINGTON POST: Ana, I have never seen such sustained momentum regarding a name change over the last eight, nine months that I've seen here in Washington. I think a lot of it has to do with people at the United Nations and Upstate New York. Ray Halbritter, the CEO, has become the public face and taken the baton from Suzanne Harjo, Cheyenne and Muscogee Indian activist who essentially the trademark suit years ago.

Now, on many fronts, this is happening. They're trying to change a former chairman is trying to get the name banned from the airwaves.

I think at some point, Roger Goodell is going to realize that this is costing the league too much attention, too much money and if he doesn't force Daniel Snyder to change the name, then Daniel Snyder is going to have to sell, because the name is going to change.

BLACKWELL: Voices like the Native Americans say that the word "Redskin" is racist. It needs to go. Listen to this.

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RYAN HALBRITTER, REPRESENTATIVE, ONEIDA INDIAN NATION: If it's offending people and it's time to change it. This is a great time to do it. Regardless of the history, regardless of its legacy, it's offensive. It's a dictionary defined offensive term.

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BLACKWELL: So, Clinton let me give you a hypothetical. I want a real answer. Say you're coming out of college and you're going into the draft, you are drafted by a team that has a black man's head on the side of the helmet? It's not a derogatory picture for black men. Let's even let the NAACP pick the picture of the black man that goes on the side of the helmet.

But instead of being the Washington Redskins, it's the Denver darkies. Would you want to play for a team called the Denver darkies?

PORTIS: I think for so long, when you look at what we went through as African-Americans, you think of names such as nigger or anything else of that nature. So, I think this is a situation that is a no-win. I don't think Mr. Snyder wants to sell the Redskins. I don't think Mr. Snyder will sell the Redskins.

I think this will be an on going struggle over the years. I think --

BLACKWELL: But does it have to be? Does it have to be? If it's offending people, does it have to be an on going struggle?

PORTIS: I think if somebody came to you and -- I don't know how to present this as a win for either. You know, I think, some people, the Native Americans, when you look at native-Americans and their struggle through life and the history of the Native Americans, when you look at their struggle through life, you can understand their point. The same way we can say the N-word is so derogatory.

But on the same sense, if you look at us as people, we use the N- word freely amongst us. It's just when it's used from someone else that it's so offensive. So --

CABRERA: So, I get the sense you kind of think it's just a name. Just a name?

PORTIS: I wouldn't say it's just a name. I think this is bigger than our discussion and the in depth detail of why this name all of a sudden after being around since the '30s all of a sudden why it's the focal point of change.

When you look at what the team would have to do to --

CABRERA: Clinton Portis, I'm sorry to interrupt. We're out of time. This is a discussion that is going on in households around the country.

PORTIS: Call me back another day.

CABRERA: Yes, we will. We will. Thank you.

BLACKWELL: Quick break. Thank you, Mike.

WISE: That was pretty damn quick.

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CABRERA: It's the bottom of the hour. Thanks for being here on this Sunday. I'm Ana Cabrera.

BLACKWELL: I'm Victor Blackwell.

Here are five things you need to know for your NEW DAY.

Number one, Senate leaders Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell, they have taken over negotiations to reopen the government and raised the debt ceiling because House Republicans say that President Obama rejected their offer. They left town for the weekend without presenting an alternative plan. Now, a live report, we'll have that from D.C. in just a minute.

CABRERA: Number two, officials in India are working to relocate almost a million evacuees. They fled that monster cyclone that has left at least seven people dead. Phailin still packing winds of almost 70 miles an hour -- mudslides, flooding continue to be concerning. So far, the damage appears to be minimal, at least compared with that 1999 cyclone that slammed and claimed some 10,000 lives.

BLACKWELL: Number three, a shooting in Tulsa, Oklahoma, last night injured five people. One witness describes seeing bullets just flying through his shirt. A victim is expected to lose his leg and the alleged shooter and his driver are in custody. But the motive still unknown.

CABRERA: Number four this morning, all nine teenagers who reportedly abducted from a ranch for troubled youth are now with their parents. This is according to the lawyer for the New Mexico facility. Authorities say they confirmed that the four boys are in their parents' custody but an Amber Alert is still in effect for the others until their location and their well-being can be confirmed.

BLACKWELL: Sarah Palin will speak at today's "Million Vet March" at the National World War II Memorial. Activist for veterans and the nation's service members will be speaking out against the government shutdown. Events and the protest kick off in less than an hour. CABRERA: Ready or not it's day 13 of the partial government shutdown.

BLACKWELL: And it's now up to Senate leaders to come up with the deal to reopen the government and to raise the debt ceiling.

CABRERA: And that's because the House Republicans essentially just threw their hands in the air. They kind of threw in the towel out of frustration. They went home for the weekend.

Here's CNN's Shannon Travis with where we are.

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SHANNON TRAVIS, CNN POLITICAL REPORTER: Lawmakers scurrying out of Washington even though there's no deal in place to end the partial government shutdown and avoid a possible default this week.

REP. STEVE SOUTHERLAND (R), FLORIDA: My staff is -- has every -- every plane flight -- every plane flight on our schedule. We're ready to come back as soon as there is a vote.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This thing is so fluid and too many things are changing. All I know is we've got a president who doesn't want to negotiate.

TRAVIS: Perhaps a hint of defensiveness with talks between the White House and House Republicans having collapsed and both sides blaming each other. Now all eyes on the Senate and whether Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell can work out a compromise.

SEN. HARRY REID (D), MAJORITY LEADER: The conversations were extremely cordial but very preliminary, of course, nothing conclusive. But I hope that our talking is some solace to the American people and to the world.

TRAVIS: But Reid is still sticking firm to key Democratic demands.

REID: They're not doing us a favor by opening the government, reopening the government. They're not doing us a favor by extending the debt ceiling. Those are -- that's part of our jobs.

TRAVIS: Meantime Republicans accuse the President of pulling a bait and switch.

REP. JOHN FLEMING (R), LOUISIANA: The President apparently was not negotiating in good faith. All he's really said is "Whatever you offer, I'm not interested in it." He's hoping to cut a deal with the Senate which would, I think, be a terrible deal to undermine the House.

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BLACKWELL: Shannon Travis is joining us now live from Washington. Shannon, so what can Senators Reid and McConnell do that will work for the House?

TRAVIS: Well, they'll have to get creative because we know that the House wants a few things. They want a shorter extension of the debt ceiling. That's a plan that House Republicans offered only extended the debt ceiling for six weeks.

They'll also maybe have to address House Republicans. at least the caucus within the House Republicans, wanting something, something at all that either derails or delays or defunds Obamacare although defunding Obamacare at this point seems to still be off the table.

So they'll have to get creative. We know that President Obama and Democrats have said you know what? Give us two clean bills. Give us a clean bill to reopen the government. Give us a clean bill to raise the debt limit. So we'll have to see if the Senate can come up with a deal that will not only satisfy House Republicans but also President Obama.

CABRERA: And with House Republicans gone for the weekend, we know that they aren't really part of this discussion at this point. So tomorrow could be a crucial day in that discussion. Shannon Travis in Washington this morning, thank you.

BLACKWELL: Mega pastors with mega wealth, we're going to talk with one of the pastors from a new hit show "Preachers of L.A." on faith and fortune.

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BLACKWELL: Thirty-eight minutes after the hour now.

And in today's "Faces of Faith" we're talking bling and Bentleys and the bible. It's all about a new reality series called "Preachers of L.A." on the Oxygen Network.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lord Jesus, speak to my heart. Change my mind and life.

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BLACKWELL: So the show takes a very candid and up close look at the lives of six prominent pastors as they step away from the pulpit for a moment. And as many people watching and talking and in fact, the series premier pulled in more than a million viewers. That's the strongest Wednesday premier ever for Oxygen.

But the show, of course, has some controversy. It's reignited the debate over preachers and their wealth.

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BISHOP RON GIBSON: There is no secret what God can do. You see my bling. You see my Bentley. You see my glory. But you don't know my story. (END VIDEO CLIP)

BLACKWELL: Well, the man you just heard from joins me now. Good morning to Bishop Ron Gibson. Good to have you with us.

GIBSON: Good to be here Victor. Thank you very much.

BLACKWELL: So of course, there are some people who see that and hear that. They have a problem with church leaders having a lot of wealth. Even the Pope is talking about this. And demonstrating it by taking a less grandiose lifestyle is now in the Prius, calling the people of the Catholic Church to be poor -- church for the poor. As a minister of the gospel how do you balance having wealth and helping the poor?

GIBSON: Well at balance I look at it from a biblical perspective. The company that God had with Abraham, he was blessing Abraham to be a blessing and not to hoard the blessing upon himself. He blessed him to be a blessing to the less fortunate.

And so I look at it from the same perspective that God blessed Abraham. We are to go into all the world and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to every creature. And I can't do that, I can't go to the airport and say "Hey I'm a preacher, I'm a pastor, give me a ticket, I've got to go to Africa and build some wells or to the Dominican Republic and build some churches." No, it costs money to get on the airports. So preachers, we're to be balanced and not extravagant but yet we must have the means and money is a big medium of exchange whereby we can make that happen.

BLACKWELL: Balance and not extravagance but you just talked about your Bentley. A Benz would do it right.

GIBSON: A Benz yes and I do have a Benz.

BLACKWELL: And a Bentley ok.

GIBSON: Yes I have a Benz and a Bentley, yes I like both of those cars, I was blessed, I've been pastoring 26 years, you know.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

GIBSON: And I founded our church. And we have a school. We have two schools. We have preschool. We have an elementary school. We have a boys only -- we're building, we're in partnership with a developer building 1,200 homes, two parks. There's a plethora of things. It's a large vision that God has given us. So that's going to take money to finance the Kingdom of God.

BLACKWELL: That's true. But you just said that you live by the philosophy of God's covenant with Abraham and to not hoard. Is this not hoarding your Bentley and your Benz and that beautiful home we saw and all (inaudible) on the show?

GIBSON: Well I don't know what you're definition of hoarding is. If I had several Bentleys, it probably would be. But I can only drive one Bentley at a time. And my Bentley is a 2007 with 85,000 miles so you guys are seeing me right now but I have accumulated my -- if you want to call it wealth over the years. You know so --

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BLACKWELL: I'm sorry. You're not complaining about having a 2007 Bentley with 85,000 miles and saying that I'm just a little demure pastor.

GIBSON: Not at all.

BLACKWELL: Ok.

GIBSON: I'm not complaining at all. But to answer your question, that you said is it hoarding.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

GIBSON: I wouldn't say it's hoarding I'm just saying I bought that Bentley back in 2007. Yes.

BLACKWELL: So let's back away from the money and talk about the reason you're doing this show. I mean if your job as a pastor is to glorify God and now you have cameras following you and showing how you live and your money and your cause, isn't that just glorifying you?

GIBSON: No. I would say -- well it may attract people to me. But I point them to Christ and -- and one thing I love about it is that the message that I'm trying to convey in this and most of the men that I believe have the same idea is to point people to Jesus Christ. I believe the cross is the greatest message in the entire world. And that is reconciliation that God loves us so much that he didn't send a Bentley or a Ferrari. He sent Jesus Christ -- the man Jesus to die for at sins.

We weren't redeemed by Bentleys and silver and gold. We were redeemed by the precious blood of Jesus. But you can't get people's attention because I can't give you what I don't have. The bible says a poor man's wisdom is despised. But if we seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness all these things that you're talking about will be added.

But God uses them as advertisement to point people to us. But we point them to him. The preacher is not the target. We are an arrow that is pointing people in the right direction to Jesus Christ.

BLACKWELL: Nice ring. Bishop Gibson, you're also a well establish preacher. You said you've been doing this for more than 26 years. Why do this show? I mean what -- why do the show?

GIBSON: Man, if you had gone through what I've been through -- drug addiction, gang activity, man, I was bound for many years in the devil's den of drug addiction and gang activity. And I took overdose of PCP and Jesus Christ came and rescued me. My mind has been renewed from the word of God. And he's just been blessing me. And I want everybody to know that there's hope for the world, men of every birth -- red, yellow, black, brown or white. And it's time for the church to take the salt out of the salt shaker. The bible calls us in Matthew Chapter 5, "the salt of the earth". And I just want to pass the salt. The salt is the preservative and Jesus Christ is the best thing that can happen to anybody -- red, yellow, black, brown or white, we're all precious in his sight.

BLACKWELL: And one thing we see you doing this season is ministering to go gang members. Talk about how important that is for you as a former gang member.

GIBSON: Yes. Yes, indeed. I lived that lifestyle. I was born in south central LA and I became addicted to PCP and heroin and became a Compton crip. And you know Jesus told Peter. Peter I'm saving you and once you are converted, once you are converted I want you to go back and strengthen your brothers. And I was able by the grace of God to go back into the hood of Compton and get a crip and a blood saved and now they accepted Jesus Christ. One of the guy's I was over his house yesterday and he's working whereas he used to sell dope. Now he's working a regular job and making a living now contributing to society.

BLACKWELL: Yes.

GIBSON: So I'm excited about the work that God is doing in the city of Compton.

BLACKWELL: Well, Bishop Ron Gibson, we thank you so much for talking with us. I know that there's a lot of controversy and there are a lot of people who are not happy with what you're doing but we just heard about some of the good work you're doing as well there at your church and have been for more than 20 years. Good to talk with you this morning.

GIBSON: Thank you, Victor. And they keep watching, they're going to come to see that it's going to be a peaceful resolve and I think they'll be happy at the end of the day.

BLACKWELL: All right. For more stories on faith, be sure to check out our belief blog, that's at CNN.com/belief -- Ana.

CABRERA: Don't go away. Still to come on New Day, is Sarah Palin's star power enough to sway a senate election in New Jersey and defeat Democratic nominee Corey Booker?

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CABRERA: You may know the name Corey Booker. What about Steve Lonegan. Well, in just three days New Jersey is going to decide which of these men will serve as their next senator.

BLACKWELL: You know, Booker may have the national name recognition and the money and the double digit lead in the polls. But there is one wild card he probably will never have and that's the support of Sarah Palin. CABRERA: With the clock ticking on the Garden State special election, Lonegan called upon the former Republican vice-presidential candidate for some help. CNN's Jason Carroll has the story.

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STEVE LONEGAN (R), NEW JERSEY SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: It's time we held the line.

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What does a candidate do if you're down in the polls days from the election and your opponent is a political celebrity?

SARAH PALIN, FORMER VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Thank you, New Jersey.

CARROLL: Answer: bring in your own celebrity.

PALIN: Can the rest of America count on you to send Steve Lonegan to the United States Senate?

CARROLL: That's exactly what New Jersey Republican senate candidate Steve Lonegan did. The former mayor of Bogota is facing an uphill battle against the man well known in the national stage, Newark's mayor Corey Booker.

PALIN: Don't be measuring the drapes there just quite yet.

CARROLL: Palin and Lonegan paint the race as a national referendum on the president's policies including Obamacare.

LONEGAN: If we go to Washington October 17th, it's going to be Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid that are going to fold.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Corey Booker -- radical, liberal, extreme.

CARROLL: Thanks in part to Lonegan's aggressive ad campaign, Booker's double digit lead 28 points in August dipped to 12 points according to a poll released last week. Not surprising to some voters here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I believe that there are a lot of people in the state that have conservative values and just don't know it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm a Republican and but I think Lonegan is a little bit too far to the right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He really is very much a movement conservative. I think that makes his uphill battle that much steeper because of his identification as a Tea Party conservative.

CARROLL: Lonegan is anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. His and his campaign's views on Mayor Booker seem to be getting all the attention. Lonegan fired one of his top advisors Friday after that advisor gave a profanity-laced interview ridiculing Mayor Booker for having a Twitter exchange with a stripper saying, "I don't know. It was like what a gay guy would say to a stripper."

LONEGAN: I have hundreds of activists, volunteers, donors -- people on this campaign and I can't be responsible for what all of them say. But I will take responsibility so I terminated the gentleman for his inappropriate comment.

CARROLL: Lonegan has been criticized for his own comments about Booker, this after Booker addressed questions about whether he was gay saying "So what does it matter if I am?" Lonegan weighed in during an August radio interview.

LONEGAN: He was kind of weird as a guy. I personally like being a guy.

CARROLL: And then there was the comment Lonegan made during last week's debate about where taxpayer's money from the suburbs and rural areas goes.

LONEGAN: All that income tax and sales tax money gets poured into the big black hole (ph) of Newark.

The liberal media is going to say what they want to say. Newark -- Newark's budget is a big black hole and it sucks in millions and billions of suburban taxpayer dollars and we never see it again -- period.

CARROLL: The last time Sarah Palin appeared at a Tea Party express rally was more than a year ago. Whether or not she has any influence this time will be determined when voters head to the polls in New Jersey this Wednesday.

Jason Carroll, CNN, New York.

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CABRERA: Jason, thank you. BLACKWELL: Thank you very much, Jason. British police are asking for the public's help to find who took three-year-old Madeleine McCann six long years ago.

CNN's Erin McLaughlin reports that there are hopes now that a new picture of a possible suspect will finally bring that little girl home.

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: New hope in the Madeleine McCann case. British media reports that for the first time ever Scotland Yard is ready to release a computer generated sketch of a potential suspect. It's part of an appeal for information to be broadcast here in Europe on Monday night.

It's a new push to find out what happened to Madeleine who went missing while on family holiday in Portugal six years ago. Police say they hope this appeal will help to jog the memories of those who were in area at the time of her disappearance. Back to you -- Victor.

BLACKWELL: All right. Erin, thank you so much. Still to come on NEW DAY, the science behind the bionic leg. We'll show you how it works and how it's improving lives.

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CABRERA: Just a few minutes now before the top of the hour. It's time for today's "Must See Moment". Ok, watch these shoppers having a little trouble deciding what to grab from the alcohol and beverage aisle. But as you're about to see --

BLACKWELL: Oh, wow.

CABRERA: -- yes, they're going to have to settle for some mixed drinks.

Moments after that man who was stocking the shelves, stands up to check out his handy work, well, he saw the entire aisle just buckle. The lady even tries to save it --

BLACKWELL: Not going to work.

CABRERA: -- as the bottles are coming down. Yes, not going to work. Everybody is ok though. Just a big mess to clean up.

BLACKWELL: That is amazing. Ok, every weekend we bring you "The Science Behind" the news. I mean these are the stories about things that really intrigue us. This week a bionic man, it was once something you saw only on television, right?

CABRERA: But now it's becoming a reality. Take a look at one young man recovering from a very tragic accident. He now has one of those bionic legs that are changing the world for people who lose their limbs.

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CRAIG HUTTO, LOST LEG IN ACCIDENT: Back in 2005, I was on vacation with my family. My brother and I were fishing out on a sandbar. Something came up and bumped me on my left leg, and then grabbed me on my right leg. And it turned out to be a shark.

There was just so much tissue damage gone that the physicians had to either choose life or limb, and so that's when they amputated my leg.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, the typical prosthesis for an above-knee amputee, you can't go up slopes, you can't go up stairs in a biomechanically healthy way, and with power, we can provide the equivalent of muscles, and therefore we can essentially duplicate whatever the healthy human can do.

HUTTO: I never thought it was going to be possible for me to even walk upstairs, and surprisingly enough, once we've started it, it was remarkable how easy it is for me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The project we're working on here is a robotic leg for above-knee amputees. We are in fact the only group in the world that has a fully robotic leg prosthesis with the powered knee and a powered ankle. It has its own power, and it can move by itself, but is not connected to the user in any kind of explicit way. Instead it has a lot of sensors on it, and it understands how the user's interacting with it.

The leg has two fully-powered joints, so it has a motor at the knee joint and a motor at the ankle joint. So effectively, the motors are the equivalent of the muscles, and sensors are the equivalent of the same sensing that we have in a healthy limb.

If you look at conventional prosthesis, they essentially lack muscles, so you have to sling them around to move them around. This is a leg that effectively has the equivalent of muscles. And so what we found is that people use less energy when they walk with it, people walk generally faster, and they can do things like go upstairs and downstairs and up slopes and down slopes.

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CABRERA: We are out of time. Thanks so much for watching.

BLACKWELL: "STATE OF THE UNION" starts now.