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Polls Indicate Backlash against GOP after Government Shutdown; Obamacare Website Problems Continue; Justice Department to Suggest New Training for Police On Active Shooters; Interview with Sheriff Grady Judd; International Child of Mystery

Aired October 21, 2013 - 07:00   ET


CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Your NEW DAY starts right now.

Good morning, welcome back to NEW DAY. It's Monday, October 21st, 7:00 in the east. Brand-new polls out this morning putting pressure on Republicans after the shutdown mess. More than half of Americans feel like GOP control of the House a bad thing for the country. The House speaker may be in deep political trouble as well. We will give you all the details coming up.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: And a disturbing development to tell you about. The mom of one of those girls arrested for bullying another girl, she has now been arrested herself on child because charges. The video that led to that arrest will absolutely shock you. The sheriff in the case is going to join us live to talk about it.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: We are watching an international mystery. Who is this little girl? Authorities are trying to find the parts of a four year old girl found living with a Roma couple in Greece. The pair that has her says she is their adopted daughter, but are they actually part of a child trafficking ring? We'll have the latest.

BOLDUAN: First his hour, how bad was the government shutdown for Republicans? That new CNN poll says the GOP is taking a big hit. But they are not alone in this. As the president gets ready to address Obamacare today, many Americans say they now have little faith in either side. CNN senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta is joining us more with a deeper look at these numbers. Good morning, Jim.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Kate. It is not good news for the Republicans. A new CNN-ORC poll finds a solid majority of Americans are not happy with Republican control of Congress, but the GOP may have caught a big break, as President Obama later this morning is set to talk at length about the glitches in Obamacare.


ACOSTA: The shutdown ended days ago, but the hangover is still lingering, and it's bad news for Republicans. A new CNN-ORC poll finds just 38 percent of Americans believe GOP control of the House of Representatives is good for the consistent. More than half say it's a bad thing.

But it gets worse for House Speaker John Boehner. A sizable majority of Americans say he should be replaced. Only 30 percent say he should stay. The numbers are slightly better for President Obama -- 44 percent have confidence in the president versus 31 percent in Republicans in congress. GOP leaders say it's blowback.

MITCH MCCONNELL, (R-KY) SENATE MINORITY LEADER: A number of us were saying back in July that this strategy could not and would not work, and, of course, it didn't. So there will not be another government shutdown. You can count on that.

ACOSTA: But the end of the budget brinksmanship has shifted the spotlight right where Republicans want it, on Obamacare. Later today, aids say the president will acknowledge the website's now infamous glitches and lay out solutions for fixing them. The pressure is on. While the program has seen nearly a half million applications and 19 million visitors to, the Obama administration admits the website experience has been frustrating for many Americans.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, (R) ARIZONA: It's been a fiasco. Send air force one out to Silicon Valley, load it up with some smart people, bring them back to Washington and fix this problem. It's ridiculous. Everybody knows that.

ACOSTA: Conservatives are calling for the resignation of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, saying she is resisting requests to testify on Capitol Hill, even though she has time to go on the "The Daily Show."

SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: Absolutely she should resign. Why? Because the program she has implemented, Obamacare, is a disaster.

NANCY PELOSI, (D-CA) HOUSE MINORITY LEADER: Ridiculous. But nonetheless I do think what has happened is unacceptable and has to fixed, and that's what will happen.


ACOSTA: Over the weekend, the administration said it was bringing in experts from both the government and the private sector to work on those Obamacare glitches, but the White House argues that the health care program is much more than a website and that it is already offering consumer protections that did not exist before Obamacare. Expect the president to repeat that message later today. But Kate and Chris, the one key metric that the White House is not willing to reveal at this point, how many people have enrolled in Obamacare. That number is a secret.

CUOMO: It won't be for long, we know that, Jim. Thanks for that reporting this morning.

After a deadly mass shooting, the Justice Department wants to change the way police respond to active shooters. Some law enforcement officials say the current training is simply out of date and changing it could save lives. CNN's Joe Johns is in Washington. Joe, this is a very important issue. We are always looking for the right fix. What do we know about this?

JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Chris, recent mass shootings have shocked the nation, including here at the Washington Navy yard, a wake-up call to law enforcement. Now the nation's top law enforcement officer is expected to ask local police to change how they're trained to react in order to save lives.


JOHNS: In the mass killings recently at the Washington, D.C. Navy yard, police response was considered extremely fast.

CATHY LANEER, POLICE CHIEF: Within seven minutes, we had officers at the building.

JOHNS: That's half the time of the national average response, but 12 people still died. And from what we know about the horrific school shootings at Sandy Hook in Connecticut, the movie theatre shootings in Aurora, Colorado, last year, and going back to column bone, security consultant Chris Grollnek says time is of the essence for officers arriving on the scene because so much carnage can happen so first. And he says the first officer on the scene if he or she is alone is expected to wait for backup.

CHRIS GROLLNEK, ACTIVE SHOOTER PREVENTION NETWORK: Respond once your backup arrives, and use a contact-cover approach so you are not on a suicide mission.

JOHNS: But sometimes those first officers on the scene end up waiting for more highly trained special weapons and tactical teams to arrive, and that adds up to precious minutes, which could cost lives. Two law enforcement sources say Attorney General Eric Holder will call on the International Association of Chiefs of Police to consider new training for all officers so that the first ones to get there could possibly take out an active shooter on their own without waiting for the SWAT team to arrive.

Chris Grollnek focuses on teaching regular people what to do to protect themselves before the police get there. He says people who work in places where it could happen could use some training, too.

GROLLNEK: Get up and move, do not become a victim, don't be a stationary target. React by escaping the threat.


JOHNS: Despite all you hear on the news, mass shootings are extremely rare compared to other U.S. crimes, but it's so horrific when it happens that the attorney general is expected to make his call to law enforcement today to the International Association of Chiefs of Police in Philadelphia to try to speed up the time it takes to engage active shooting suspects. Kate?

BOLDUAN: Joe, thanks so much for this. Let's talk more with CNN's national security analyst, Fran Townsend, joining us now. So Fran, as Joe said, thankfully mass shootings are rare, and when you take it in comparison to other U.S. crimes out there, but what do you think of the attorney general's expected message on this?

FRAN TOWNSEND, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Look, the additional training is good, because as law enforcement folks will tell you, that period of time when are you waiting for those with heavier weapons, more tactical training to get there is times lost and lives lost. So the additional time and training for local law enforcement is a good thing.

But Kate, really, let's back up, because if are you addressing the problem at the time of the incident, you really already failed a number of other times. Why don't we see these problems in mental health screening and employment screening? When you look at the Navy yard shooter, there were indications of a problem with his security clearance, in the Ft. Hood shooting in his personnel file, there were indications of problems and those pieces didn't get put together.

BOLDUAN: What we hear from security is that's the harder thing to track. That's not an OK excuse?

TOWNSEND: That's exactly right. It is the harder thing to track, but then there needs to be aware inside the system of an obligation responsible to put these pieces together.

BOLDUAN: When are you talking about the training that the attorney general likely talked about to police chiefs today, more training sounds -- more training of course always sounds better, but is it feasible to roll this out quickly when you talk about how many police departments are across the country?

TOWNSEND: Kate, most people don't realize. We are here in New York. You think of the NYPD, 20,000 strong. But there are little police departments in rural America. It will be much more difficult to get this capably to them, all way out to them. So what you will do is you will see a sort of waterfall strategy from major cities and training centers out, you know, outside the big metropolitan areas to these smaller police department, but it will be an imperfect system.

BOLDUAN: I think many people will wonder, what kind of additional training are we talking about? What do police departments do now that they will be doing?

TOWNSEND: This is the close quarters, heavy weapons, where you worry about blue on blue, that is police officers shooting one another because they can't see around the corner, they can't see the target they're shooting at. It's the kind of weapons they use.

Kate, the other piece is training people likely to be in the area of a victim, right? Don't be a stationary target. Move, take shelter. Get out of the way. So it's not just the police who need to be trained, but there needs to be an awareness at, you know, in facilities. Schools now do this, the shelter in place drills and telling people how to take care of their own safety in an active shooter situation.

BOLDUAN: It's unfortunate, but it's true. At workplace scenarios, everyone needs to be trained in how to deal with it. Thank you, Fran, so much. We will be following this story of course, but a lot of other headlines making news. Let's get straight to Michaela for that.

PEREIRA: Kate, thanks so much. We begin with a collective sigh of relief in Florida, the latest in the recapture of two convicted murderers mistakenly released from prison. This cellphone video showing the moments leading up to Charles Walker and Joseph Jenkins arrest. A Florida enforcement official says it was a tip from a close associate that led them to that motel. They are looking at how the men got their hands on these forged documents to secure their release.

France has summoned the U.S. ambassador to Paris over NSA spying claims. A French newspaper claims that the agency monitored over 70 million phone calls in France over a one month period. That information comes from documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. Mexico now condemning the U.S. for the alleged NSA hacked of former president Felipe Calderon's memos. A German news magazine says the details of that were also contained in a document leaked by Snowden.

An investigation is now underway in the Bay Area after a BART commuter train struck and killed two transit workers. An official with the transit system says a train with only employees aboard hit the workers who were inspecting a section of track east of Oakland. Bart workers meanwhile remain on strike. They locked in a contract dispute with management over pensions and benefits.

Five fishermen in Alaska safe and sound this morning after just an incredible rescue on the Bering Sea. Good Samaritans first on scene after the coastguard stated the vessel had caught on fire, leaving these men stranded on the lifeboat. All five fishermen are said to be in good condition. When you consider how unforgiving the Bering Sea can be, it's really remarkable. It's really remarkable.

CUOMO: We use this word all the time, but this is a nightmare. This is a nightmare for guys out on that water. So far from everything, yet they live. Amazing.

PEREIRA: Thanks, so much for that. Coming up next on "new day," a new twist in the alleged 14-year-old bully in Florida. Why her mother is under investigation for possible child abuse.

CUOMO: And a little girl at the center of an international mystery, the couple who had her is in custody, but you the question, where are the little girl's parents?


CUOMO: Welcome back to NEW DAY. They say it begins at home. Nowhere is that saying more true than in the case of Vivian Vossberg, now under arrest charged with child abuse. Her daughter, Guadalupe Shaw, is already under arrest herself for allegedly bullying another girl to death in an unrelated case. We will speak to the sheriff at the center of this story in just a minute, but first, what Vossburg did caught on video posted online. What does it mean and we should warn you, the video is disturbing.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) GRADY JUDD, POLK COUNTY SHERIFF: The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

CUOMO: Harsh words from Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd for the mom of an alleged teenage bully after he saw this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What the hell is wrong with you? Stupid?

CUOM: A surprising video showing Vivian Vossburg punching and screaming at six kids ranging in age from nine to 14. The video was deemed child abuse and neglect.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Vivian, do you have anything to say to Rebecca's family?

CUOMO: The mom was arrested just five days after Vossburg's daughter, 14-year-old Guadalupe Show, was arrested and charged within aggravated stalking, bullying that authorities say contributed to the suicide of 12-year-old Rebecca Sedwick. Shaw's attorney denies that charge.

According to an affidavit from the Polk County Sheriff's Department, Vossberg said two boys were having a fight, and she was just trying to break them up. She added that she was quote "having a bad day."

The woman in this video is a far cry from the concerned mother who told me she was sure her daughter was wrongly accused.

VIVIAN VOSSBURG, GUADALUPE SHAW'S MOTHER: I think it's not fair because, you know, they're punishing my daughter for something that they're saying she did over the internet and I know that my daughter wouldn't do something like that.

CUOMO: Vossburg told CNN she closely monitored her children's social media accounts. Yet the Sheriff's Department says they easily located this video on Facebook. Meanwhile, Rebecca Sedwick's family copes with her loss. Sedwick jumped to her death just a month before her 13th birthday, it would have been this past Saturday. Her mother posting this emotional message to her daughter. "I just want to witch my baby girl a happy birthday in heaven."


CUOMO: Let's bring in Polk County sheriff, he is at the heart of this story. Good morning, Sheriff Grady Judd, good to have you back on NEW DAY.

JUDD: Chris, it's good to be with you today.

CUOMO: Sheriff, let's get right to the arrest. What did you see in that video that made this something worthy of a criminal charge?

JUDD: You know, Chris, everything we saw was disturbing. She was beaing on the two kids with her fist. She actually boat them in the face and in the head and then once the fight was over and all the other kids were screaming and cussing and high-fiveing, she gave kind of an editorial comment and then they posted all of that on Facebook and she tells us her daughter would never bully? Well, we saw the real truth.

CUOMO: Obviously, this is confusing. There is an arrest in the case, but doesn't have to do with the main case. It has to do with something else. Is this a function of other allegations that you had heard about? Help us understand what pattern the investigation is taking.

JUDD: Chris, we were investigating the bullying case. As you know, we made the arrest on the two juveniles, 14 and 12, for stalking. Well, interviews by national networks of Vivienne where she was there said, oh, my daughter would never stalk. She would never, ever do this, we watch her Facebook and immediately people from throughout the community were texting and calling and Facebooking my staff saying oh, yeah, if you think that's right, go look at this page.

So because of the national media coverage, our detectives looked. We saw the horrendous coverage. My detectives immediately acted on that, and we but her in jail. She is still in jail today under a $300,000 bond after appearing before a judge.

CUOMO: One of the things that makes this case stand out is your attention to the parents. Somewhat unusual. The law sometimes handcuffs law enforcement. No pun intended. Why such a priority on the parents, sheriff?

JUDD: Well, it's a priority to me because the all started way back ten months ago as a bullying episode. There were interventions by the victim's parents. There were interventions by the school board and still the suspect's parents did nothing to stop it, to interrupt it.

Well at that point law enforcement got involved and when we did, we saw this went much further than bullying, that this was aggravated stalking. They tortured and tormented, emotionally, a very fragile child and the end result is she jumped from a tall tower to her death. And as I stood there that morning and looked at that 12-year-old child, really a baby in life, dead, I thought we've got to make a positive difference. That's what we're trying to do.

CUOMO: We had at the end of the piece there, that Rebecca's mother sent out a massage, a birthday message to her daughter. She would have been 13 she would have become a teenager this past Saturday. What is your message to that family and to the other families about this issue and what you believe should be done?

JUDD: Well, my heart breaks for Rebecca's family and for Rebecca as well. But the message is clear, prevention of bullying starts at home with parents and then it moves to friends.

So in our new age with all the technology, with the ability to talk and communicate 24/7 to the vast majority of the kids, get on your electronic devices and say enough is enough. We're not going to bully anymore and if we do, there's going to be law enforcement officers that are going to watch, and when we cross that loin to stalking, they're going to put us in jail and that's exactly what we intend to do if the parents don't create the line of defense, if the kids don't create the line of defense, we're not going to allow them to torment children to the point they want to jump off a tall tower.

CUOMO: Sheriff, a culture of accountability. That's what so many have been calling for so long. We don't like to see kids punished or parents, but we do need the bullying to stop. Thank you for coming on the show and talking about this investigation. We will continue to follow the story.

JUDD: Thank you so much, Chris.

CUOMO: All right.

This is a hot topic. It always is. The solutions are difficult. The conversation is difficult. So let's keep it going. Tell us what you think use the hashtag #newday.

It's a time for a check of the weather. Let's get over to Indra Petersons. Indra?

INDRA PETERSONS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Check out this video, Chris. Now we know the seasons are literally changing. This is snow from Minnesota just yesterday. What are we talking about? Early snow. Typically they don't see their first systems till November, although not completely unusual, it's a little early for them for this time of year.

So what does it really mean? It's a little bit of a precursor to some cool temperatures that are going to be headed our way. Take a look, you can actually see that same system now kind of pushing off to the East. Chicago just had a little bit of rain kind of kick through their region This morning.

But again, the main story is if you have snow, we know we have some cold air out there. I mean look at the highs. They're not morning lows, these are highs for today. Minneapolis, Green Bay only expecting the 30's. Chicago your high today 49 degrees.

Good 10, 15, almost even 20 degrees below normal even for this time of year. St. Louis today seeing a little bit better, but not much when you're 12 below normal at 55 degrees today as your high. Lot of things going. We continue to see this cool air staying in place. Actually shifting no the mid-Atlantic in the northeast. Easy to see when you see New York City, Monday and Tuesday, mid and upper 60s. By Wednesday you will feel that drop. Your only high of 53 degrees in Chicago, dropping down to the 40s by Wednesday.

That will be the story, starting to feel that actual fall weather moving in. We want to give you a quick mention, though, we have our first major hurricane of the eastern pacific. This is Hurricane Raymond, very easy to see the defined eye there. It is going to move away from shore. Easy to tell it lingers in this vicinity. We are talking about those hurricane bands, they are looking for heavy rains, two to four inches. Isolated amounts, 8 inches of rain. The good news, moving away from shores. November, we're talking about, getting close now. The hurricane season looking at the only major hurricane away from shore.

BOLDUAN: Wild weather all season.

PETERSONS: Crossing fingers sometimes makes it work.

BOLDUAN: Exactly right. Coming up next on NEW DAY, a child at the center of an international mystery. Who is this little girl who was found in Greece, and where are her parents now?

Also this ahead, this orphaned teen's plea for a family. It's hard to not be emotional and it's hard to not feel for him. Well that plea gets results. The huge outpouring of support coming up.


BOLDUAN: Welcome back to NEW DAY, everyone, it is Monday, October 21. Coming up in the show, the story of an incredible rescue of two fishermen trapped at sea after clinging to their capsized sailboat for 14 hours. We will tell you how they were able to survive the ordeal.

CUOMO: Plus, have you heard about the teenager who went to church and asking to be adopted. Why he did, and the response are heartwarming to say the absolute least. Wait until you hear about the response.

First up, we want to tell you about an international mystery that's developing in Greece. Police have taken the little girl away from a Roma gypsy couple saying she looked nothing like the supposed parents, and that a DNA test proved she doesn't belong to them. The couple is in custody, but the big question in who the girl really is. Nobody seems to know. CNN's Erin McLaughlin is live in London with that. Good morning, Erin.

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Chris. The couple suspected of kidnapping this little girl are currently in court. A 40- year-old woman and a 39-year-old man are facing charges of abducting a minor as well as falsifying documents.

Meanwhile, thousands of calls are pouring into a hot line established to try and find this girl's real parents, but at this point there seems to be more questions than answers surrounding this child and where she comes from.


MCLAIGHLIN: She is known only as Maria, the little girl at the center of an international mystery. Just who are her parents and why was she found living in a gypsy campsite in Greece. Investigators were carrying out a routine inspection of a Roma encampment, near the town of Larissa, when they noticed Maria. Her blond hair and blue eyes were striking. She looked nothing like the 39-year-old man and the 40- year-old woman claiming to be her parents. DNA tests later confirmed the investigators' suspicions.

PANAGIOTIS PARDOLIS, "SMILE OF THE CHILD" SPOKESMAN: There was bad living conditions, poor hygiene. I saw the girl was found under - in a state of neglect.