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Firefighters Still Battle Blaes In Southeastern Australia; Netanyahu's Banned Jeans Comment Angers Iranians; Apple unveils New iPad, iPad mini; Child Removed from Irish Roma Family; Sir Alex Ferguson Publishes Autobiography

Aired October 23, 2013 - 08:00:00   ET

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MONITA RAJPAL, HOST: I'm Monita Rajpal in in Hong Kong. Welcome to News Stream where news and technology meet.

Relief for Australians suffering from wildfires, but officials warn that the danger isn't over yet.

As authorities investigate a Roma couple charged with abducting this child in Greece, another child is taken from a Roma family in Ireland.

And Apple unveiled a makeover for the full-sized iPad, but we'll tell you why it's the mini that's turning heads instead.

Residents in some areas of southeastern Australia scorched by massive bush fires are returning home. A New South Wales fire official says the immediate crisis for many has been averted, but the fight is far from over.

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SHANE FITZSIMMONS, COMMISSIONER, NSW RURAL FIRE SERVICE: We have seen today, and indeed building throughout this week, one of the most significant threats to the Blue Mountains and (inaudible) communities that's unparalleled. Never before have we seen the extent of damage and destruction and wide scale fire activity at this time of the year.

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RAJPAL: High winds and temperatures helped fuel at least a dozen new fires on Wednesday. Around 70 are now burning. 29 are not contained.

One of the worst affected areas has been the Blue Mountains west of Sydney. The rough terrain there has hampered efforts to put out the fires, so firefighters have been using helicopters to spray water onto the flames. And the western suburbs of Sydney, Australia's biggest city, have been threatened.

The area around Sydney airport has been placed under an extreme fire warning.

New details are also emerging about how the bush fires might have started. Fire service investigators say that one of the blazes began after an army explosives exercise. Robyn Curnow joins us now from Katoomba with more on that -- Robyn.

ROBYN CURNOW, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, there.

Well, it's a little bit chillier here tonight in the Blue Mountains, which is good news for everybody here who has been fighting these fires. Because, of course, the high temperatures and the heavy gusty winds as well as the dry air have fueled these flames over the past week.

However, because of these dropping temperatures, the change in conditions, these conditions basically allow the fires not to continue to spread. The worst case scenario did not play out today here in the Blue Mountains despite dire warnings that these fires would spread into some of the urban areas, that did not happen. And there was a reason sense of relief from firefighters.

Here's the a spokesperson for the Rural Fire Service, this is what he had to say today.

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ROLF POOLE, NEW SOUTH WALES RURAL FIRE SERVICE: We almost dodged a bullet today. I think we've got quite a big operation to go, yet. But certainly you had very strong winds and some erratic fire behavior in the valley behind us. That caused us to set off the emergency alerts, because we had embers blowing into people's houses. We responded multiple strike teams down here coupled with the aircraft and, you know, that operation has been a great success.

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CURNOW: OK. Now that doesn't mean the threat is not over in terms of today. We still see -- and we've just seen sort of really big massive fires still burning in the Australian bushland over that way, but the key thing is that they're not moving or blowing toward some of these homes and residential areas.

The fact remains is, is that, you know, more than 70 fires are still burning, more than 20 of those are uncontrolled still active. So firefighters, as he said, still have a lot of work ahead of them in the next days and weeks. This is going to be a tough summer in this region, I think, as many people realize that this threat is going to continue to plague them. And the key causes, you mentioned one of them earlier on, that this -- one of the fires that perhaps been caused by a military exercise, the military has said no comment, but they are investigating.

Also we know that a young boy has been charged with arson for setting up two -- setting two of the fires. He's pleading not guilty.

But when it all boils down to it, this is all about unseasonal weather. It's very early in the so-called fire season here in Australia. So I think, you know, that is what's key. And I think as you can see now the wind has changed again. It is much colder and that is really boding well for the next few days. But Australians very much aware that this threat could pop up, could come up again in the next weeks or months.

RAJPAL: And Robyn, this is being described as an unprecedented situation for Australia and for Australians who are having to deal with this. I mean, we talk about how this could continue on for a little while yet. How much of a, I guess, a stranglehold is this going to be on the resources that the Australian government has laid out for this particular situation?

CURNOW: You know, I think -- you know, just basically any Australian is used to bush fires. I think many people here have told me that it's part of life. Many Australians say that, you know, they're used to fighting bush fires in a pair of shorts with their hose pipe.

What's different about this time is the size of these fires. Just remember, the amount of land already burned is larger than the size of a city like Los Angeles. So it's the scale, and again the early hot temperatures and unseasonal -- unseasonable winds.

So, you know, we talk about resources. Indeed, there's been a massive mobilization of resources we've seen firefighters from across this country come and throw their weight in, try and help. But I think what has been key is this huge mobilization, the fact that they've been back burning preemptively trying to get ahead of these fires.

There's been a lot of physical manual labor, not by professional firefighters, but mostly by volunteer firefighters from these areas. People have a real stake in protecting these areas.

So I think that's not going to go away. Australians are very pragmatic about the fact that they live in a country, their homes are often surrounded by dry bushland.

I think what is key about this is that in the weeks and months and perhaps years ahead, you know, there's just a little bit more vigilance and, you know, whether it comes to military exercises or teenage boys acting out, you know, I think there is a sense that this can't happen again.

Just to also stress what has been a real success about the last week and the way these fires have been managed and contained is there hasn't been any loss of life except for man who had a heart attack very early on. And there hasn't been that much loss of property -- 200 homes, indeed, but compared to, say, the Victoria fires in 2009 where more than 170 people died, where there were more than 2,000 homes burned, you know, this has been an exercise in lessons learned from that fire and those fires.

So I think, you know, the Australian authorities have thrown everything they could at this. And it seems for now, at least for today, that threat has been averted.

RAJPAL: All right. Robyn, thank you. Robyn Curnow there live for us.

Now firefighters have been trying to bring the bush fires under control for a week now, as Robyn was saying. And it looks like they still have a lot of hard work ahead of them.

Alexis Donkin from Australian's Seven Network visited a camp on the edge of the fire zone where emergency crews can take a well earned rest.

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ALEXIS DONKIN, SEVEN NETWORK CORRESPONDENT: Well, I'm here in Pinrest (ph), west of Sydney, where one of the largest base camps ever seen in New South Wales has been set up.

Now, as you can see there are large number of beds that at any given time it can sleep 1,000 firefighters spread across a number of different tents. The largest has 300 beds and it's much needed relief for firefighters who have been working hard.

I'm joined now by Cal Lipiette (ph). You've been a volunteer firefighter for 10 years. Tell us, what are the conditions like out there? It's been grueling hasn't it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is. It has been very grueling, especially now that the wind has picked up. Temperatures are fairly hot out there. It's cramped conditions, but the community spirit and our spirit is fairly high.

DONKIN: And given the conditions we've seen today, you guys are bracing for anything, embracing for the worst?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, at the moment the fire is within the containment line as we speak. But with the wind picking up and temperatures rising, who knows what's going to happen. So yeah, we on standby and ready to move.

DONKIN: And tell us about this facility. It's massive. And we've been told one of the biggest ever in New South Wales. What can you tell us about it?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At the moment, we've got a large night crew facility, which houses about 350 beds. So they're all in one large tent. And then the strike teams are broken up into other tents. And so there's a number of strike teams within a tent. And they have their (inaudible), plus with headquarters element (ph). And basically what will happen is they get called out from their accommodation.

DONKIN: Well, Cal (ph), thanks a lot for having a chat with us. I know you're bracing to get back out there, so best of luck.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks very much.

DONKIN: Well, there you have it, 1,000 beds, very large facility. As I said, one of the largest ever seen in New South Wales.

Now as we know, today is D-Day for firefighters with those conditions out there. They're bracing for the worst. For now, back to you.

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RAJPAL: As we keep reporting and keep hearing, weather is playing a huge factor in terms of how the firefighting will be helped or hampered by the conditions. And we understand that light rains overnight in some areas haven't done much to help stop the blazes.

Mari Ramos is at the world weather center with more and the forecast ahead.

Mari, we know that Wednesday, today, was supposed to be a very difficult day, but we understand that it hasn't been as bad as firefighters thought it would be, or at least that they were able to warn people away -- much of the warning certainly did help. But what, in terms of -- what can we see in terms of forecast for the region?

MARI RAMOS, CNN WEATHER CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. I think it's going to stay dry. I think that little bit of rain that we had, Monita, is pretty much over and done with. And the next few days, at least until Tuesday -- late on Tuesday and into Wednesday we don't see any hope for rain across that region.

The thing about the rain that's really interesting is that, you know, it can be good. Of course, if we get enough to actually put out the fire, but these little sprinkles that just happen, you know, and just kind of wet the ground a little bit, actually are not very good for the firefighting. And the reason for that is, is that what happens is, you know those back fires that they try to do that where they try to set up a perimeter, they burn out an area ahead of the fire so that way when the fire gets there it doesn't continue moving along. Well, those backfires can't be set if the ground is wet. And what happens is sometimes we have just enough moisture to prevent those firefighters to continue with their work of starting those back fires. And that's a problem sometimes when we see these little cold fronts that come through that just bring us wind and lightning, but nothing significant as far as rain.

Winds right now southwest at 28 kilometers per hour, temperature 21. Clear skies. That's Sydney proper.

The fire season is going to be a long one. We look at the orange right over here that includes the city of Sydney right above that live CNN sign. These -- it's from October all the way through January. So we have all the spring pretty much all of the summer to go. So it's going to be a long season.

You think about those firefighters, how much they're working right now. This is going to continue on, you know, for weeks and days to come. It takes a long time to put these fires out if they can do that at all. Sometimes they have to let them burn out.

In Sydney yesterday, 33 degrees the temperature against an average of 23. The wind gusts, 63 kilometer per hour winds. And look at the rainfall. Remember we were talking, I was saying about how sometimes it just doesn't even help to get this little bit of rain? Through the entire month of October they've had 13 millimeters of rain. That's nothing. Against an average of 77.

So, that storm system has moved on. When you look at the fires here, the main ones are the State Mine fire, the Balmoral fire farther to the south and then you have these populated areas in between, those areas where people -- they're saying just get out of the mountains, come on down to an area where you can be safe. Those fire lines, as you can see, are right over here. And that springwood fire is going to be the one to watch and continue watching because it is the one closest to those more densely populated areas just to the west of Sydney.

So, this is the front that's moving away. This is what we have right now still throughout the rest of the day today. I think conditions are going to be volatile, that extreme fire danger continues because the winds are variable even though it's still cool, a little bit cooler, anyway, than it had been yesterday.

So, as we head through the later part of the day, still going to be breezy, the winds not as strong, slightly cooler with those winds out of the south. And then light and variable winds as we head even into the weekend until our next weather system comes in into those days.

So there's the forecast, not in the 30s anymore, in the mid-20s, which is average for this time of year. And the winds like I said should be begin to ease up just a little bit.

I want to leave you with pictures of what's happened in Harbin, because we've been talking about the pollution here. Just very quickly, look at this, Monita, what a difference, huh, compared to what happened before?

So we're starting to see a little bit of a break in the fog and smog conditions there that were just off the charts pretty much. It still doesn't look great to me, but it is a lot better than that, which is what we had yesterday and the day before.

Back to you.

RAJPAL: Yeah, much better, indeed. All right, Mari, thank you so much.

When we come back, a doctor's shocking claim that snipers are targeting pregnant women in Syria.

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RAJPAL: Welcome back. You are watching News Stream. And you're looking at a visual version of all the stories that we've got in the show today.

A little later, we're going to look at the fallout from legendary football manager Alex Ferguson's book. And we'll also show you what Apple unveiled at their event on Tuesday.

Now Facebook has taken down a graphic video that appears to show a woman being beheaded. The social network denies it caved to public pressure and says it was removed because it glorifies rather than condemns violence.

On Tuesday, Facebook largely lifted a ban on users posting graphic content. That was a U-turn for the company, which earlier this year issued a temporary ban on that kind of material.

Now Facebook says under the current policy videos that condemn human rights abuses, terrorism and other violent actions will be allowed. But the company wants to make sure users share content responsibly. And says warnings may be displayed ahead of violent videos in the future.

Now many horrifying stories have emerged from the civil war in Syria, but new claims by a British doctor are particularly shocking. He says snipers are playing a targeting game and pregnant women are on their hit list. A warning to some of you viewers out there, some of the images in this report are graphic and very disturbing.

Atika Shubert reports.

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ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDNET: It's a chilling image of just how horrific the Syrian civil war has become. A sniper's bullet in the skull of an unborn fetus, the pregnant mother was the victim of a sniper attack.

British surgeon Dr. David Nott volunteered at several hospitals in northern Syria with a charity Syria Relief.

DAVID NOTT, DOCTOR: And you actually see the bullet hole here going from one side of the buttress to the other side and the baby was caught in the middle.

SHUBERT: These images are graphic, but they are all survivors. Dr. Nott says 90 percent of the surgeries he performed on any given day were sniper wounds, up to 20 gunshot wounds a day.

Syria Relief provided CNN with these pictures of siper victims in order to raise awareness of the growing violence. Dr. Nott says he believes snipers are specifically targeting pregnant women and sometimes children in a vicious game of war.

NOTT: For one day we would see, say, 15, 16 gunshot wounds and of that eight to nine were targeted in the left groing only. And then the following day they were targeted in the right groin only. I think definitely there was a game going on.

SHUBERT: A targeting game...

NOTT: A targeting game.

SHUBERT: In this video from Aleppo, men, women and children try to outrun sniper's bullets as they cross the regime controlled enclave of the city to the rebel held areas.

It's not clear who is pulling the trigger in this video, but innocent civilians are literally being caught in the crossfire.

They risk their lives, because food and provision are on the rebel side, but their homes and families are on the regime side. Desperate, they make a dash for supplies, but not everyone makes it through.

It is a scene reminiscent of another conflict, Bosnia. But at that time, the UN operated humanitarian corridors to ensure a steady supply of food and medical aid despite the fighting. Dr. Nott was there.

NOTT: It was wonderful to see the lorries coming in with -- white lorries with UNHCR written on them, which you knew they were full of provisions and food and medical aid for the besieged town, because that was in an area conflict with various different factions and so on working, but at least they got their act together on that time. And I would like that to happen again for Syria.

SHUBERT: Do you think it can?

NOTT: Yes, I do.

SHUBERT: Without that humanitarian corridor in Syria, he and other doctors warn these horrific images will not go away.

Atika Shubert, CNN, London.

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RAJPAL: Welcome back.

He's one of the greatest managers in the history of football. In May, Alex Ferguson retired after 27 years at the helm of Manchester United. And now he's telling all in an autobiography that's providing some -- actually plenty of revelations about the football world.

Alex Thomas gives us the highlights.

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ALEX THOMAS, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: It's simply titled "Alex Ferguson: My Autobiography." And so many people from with inside football probably want to get their hands on it and flick through to see if they've had one final blast of the so-called Fergie hair dryer treatment.

We've tried to sum up some of the topics that he's covered in the book, such as off the pitch controversies, all about those relationships with rival managers. There's even a revelation about the England manager's job that I'll tell you about in just a second. But let's start with those player relationships.

Ferguson talking in his book of course about famous former players like Roy Keane, Ruud Van Nistelrooy and David Beckham all went through his doors while he was at Manchester United. And Fergie says he saw Becks when the midfielder got distracted by fam.

SIR ALEX FERGUSON, MANCHESTER UNITED MANAGER (RET.): I think the big problem for me -- and I'm a (inaudible) mind really, he fell in love with Victoria, that changed everything, I think. And of course he reinvented himself quite -- a couple of times. They go to Milan, then to go to PSV, which was fantastic. And that's all down to the actual stamina he had. And also I think towards the end he probably did miss the big (inaudible). And that's a decision he made himself. Maybe in years to come he'll look back and say, well, maybe I should have stayed Real Madrid, whatever.

THOMAS: Wayne Rooney is another player that Ferguson had an up and down relationship with, although he's always admired his footballing ability. He tried to sign him from Everton when the striker was only 14- years-old, although he confirmed that Rooney did ask to leave United last season.

FERGUSON: For Wayne to come say that he's disappointed he's not playing his normal position, I can understand that, but the time Wayne wasn't playing well enough. You know, that was my judgment. And now we see him in the form he's in, you think I would drop Wayne Rooney if he's playing the way he was just now? Absolutely no way. That's what we want to see him, want to see Wayne Rooney in this form he is at the moment all the time.

THOMAS: Another revelation in Ferguson's book is that he was offered the England job twice, but despite coaching in the country for more than a quarter of a century, the passionate Scotsman said he was never going to take it.

FERGUSON: Well, it was my great opportunity in life to delegate (ph) them. And they made the offer for me to manage the team and I says, don't take me long, but 10 seconds.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (OFF MIKE)

FERGUSON: Yeah, exactly. I thought about it for 10 seconds. But there was no way I could manage England, absolutely no way, not in a million years could I manage England.

THOMAS: Off the pitch, Fergie's book maybe less controversial than many think. He spends little time on his legal battle over race horse Rock of Gilbralter, or United's dealings with his son Darren who is a football agent. He's even complimentary about Manchester United owners The Glazers.

And as for his relationships with rival managers, well there are a few words of praise, very few of them, for former Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez, Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger doesn't fare much better, but he does appear to have a genuine bond with Chelsea coach Jose Mourinho.

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RAJPAL: Alex Thomas reporting there.

Coming up here on News Stream, the discovery of this young girl at a Roma community in Greece sparked a police investigation. Now police in Ireland are raising questions about a young girl living with a Roma family in Dublin. We'll bring you the details next.

Plus, Apple unveiled a new line of iPad tablets Wednesday, we've got - - oh, yesterday I should say. We've got the verdict on the new features.

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RAJPAL: Hello, I'm Monita Rajpal in Hong Kong. And you're watching News Stream. These are the headlines.

Investigators in Australia say one of the bush fires there started after an army explosives exercise at a base. It's one of at least 73 fires still burning across the state of New South Wales. Hot and windy weather fueled fresh outbreaks on Wednesday. But while the immediate threat has passed in some areas, authorities say the fight is not over.

The Vatican says it's suspending a German bishop who became known for an extravagant lifestyle. Peter Tebartz-van Elst is the Bishop of Limburg in Germany and has been duped the Bling Bishop after reports of big spending. The Vatican says he must step aside while they carry out an investigation into his affairs. The Bishop has denied any wrongdoing.

There have been new deadly attacks in western Iraq for a second straight day. Iraqi police say a suicide car bomber killed at least seven people near a checkpoint in Anbar province. The dead include four police officers and three civilians. A dozen police officers were killed in attacks at checkpoints in the same town on Tuesday.

The Israeli prime minister says Iran's nuclear program will be a key topic during his meeting today with the U.S. secretary of state. Benjamin Netanyahu is set to meet with John Kerry in Rome. They're meeting right now. Benjamin Netanyahu has pressured Washington to maintain sanctions against Tehran despite what's been dubbed a charm offensive by Iran's new president.

Now it might surprise the Israeli prime minister to find that Iran's streets are awash with blue denim. Netanyahu recently suggested that Iranians are banned from wearing jeans. CNN's Reza Sayah reports that's touched a raw nerve among many in Iran.

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REZA SAYAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They don't quite fit yet, but these blue jeans belong to 4-month-old Tananau (ph). And her mother wants Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to know it.

"My girl is wearing jeans, Mr. Netanyahu," she says. "Take a look."

Here in Iran, many are showing off their jeans after the Israeli prime minister claimed in an interview that Iran's cult-like government has banned blue jeans.

BENJAMIN NATANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: I think if the Iranian people had their way they'd be wearing blue jeans.

SAYAH: The comment is part of Netanyahu's campaign to warn the world not to be duped by what many are calling Iran's charm offensive. Ever since taking office, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has promised to improve relations with the west and pushed for a settlement on Iran's nuclear program. Netanyahu has pushed back, warning that Iran is still secretly building a bomb, even calling Iran's new president a wolf in sheep's clothing. But it was the jeans comment that set Iranians off.

Here's the problem with what Prime Minister Netanyahu had to say, here in Iran a lot of people wear jeans. And they weren't very happy with the prime minister's comments.

"I'm not sure if Mr. Netanyahu knows anything about Iran," says Moustafa (ph). "Wearing jeans here is a normal thing. No one has banned them."

"I only have jeans," says Fateveh (ph). "I don't like anything else."

The backlash hit harder on social media.

"Hi, Netanyahu. Welcome to my room," said this tweet next to a picture of a closet full of jeans.

"It proves the guy who wants to bomb us has no clue about us," said this tweet.

This tweet showed a jean-clad boy next to Iran's supreme leader.

"Ever since Mr. Rouhani became president there's hope that relations will improve between Iran and the world. I think Mr. Netanyahu sees his interests are in danger. And he's saying anything that comes to mind."

With nuclear negotiations set to continue next month, Mr. Netanyahu will likely issue more warnings about Iran. Iranians have this advice.

"It's a good thing to think before you speak," says Mehdi (ph). "It's a very good thing."

Reza Sayah, CNN, Tehran.

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RAJPAL: Interpol is helping Greek authorities investigate the identity of a little girl known only as Maria. The Roma couple has been charged with abducting her. Interpol says so far the little girl's DNA does not match any profile in their database of missing children.

Meanwhile, police in Dublin, Ireland have removed a 7-year-old girl from a Roma family there.

Erin McLaughlin has been following this story closely. She joins us now from Dublin with more on this case -- Erin.

ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Monita.

Well, I just spoke with the family of this little girl. They invited us inside their home, even gave us a cup of tea. It was a very short visit. They showed us a picture of the girl they say is their biological daughter. She looks like she has fair hair and blue eyes. The couple seemed very upset by all of this. They say on Monday, around 20 police officers showed up on their doorstep and took her away. They acknowledge that the name on her passport is not the name she is known by within the family. The couple says they have submitted their DNA for testing. And they hope to have their daughter back by the end of the day, Monita.

RAJPAL: What do the police in Dublin saying about this case in terms of what led them to this family in the first place?

MCLAUGHLIN: Well, they're not saying much, Monita. We understand from local media reports that this is the result of a tipoff, someone called in or emailed in to a local crime show and that crime show then forwarded this tip onto police and they took action. But the police themselves aren't saying exactly why they have moved into this couple's home and taken their daughter, Monita.

RAJPAL: All right. Erin, thank you very much.

Erin McLaughlin there live for us from Dublin.

A suspected al Qaeda operative was back in court in New York on Tuesday. A lawyer for Abu Anas al Libi told the judge he would need at least six months to prepare his defense. Now you will recall al Libi was captured in Tripoli earlier this month by an elite U.S. army team. He is accused of involvement of the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. But his wife has told CNN he left al Qaeda two years before those attacks.

CNN's Brian Todd reports.

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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): One of America's most wanted terror suspects back in court in Lower Manhattan with new indications of how he may argue his case.

Abu Anas al Libi, charged with helping plan the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Nairobi, Kenya, and in Tanzania that killed more than 200 people appeared before a U.S. federal judge. His wife tells CNN he's not only innocent, but he left al Qaeda well before the 1998 attacks.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): It is true my husband was a member of al Qaeda, but he left al Qaeda in 1996, two years before the bombings. He did not take any part in any bombing anywhere in the world.

TODD: Another al Qaeda member once testified in a U.S. trial that Abu Anas al Libi left al Qaeda's group in Sudan in the mid-1990s, but there's no indication that he completely severed ties with al Qaeda.

And the indictment says he helped plan the embassy attacks before leaving. In the latter part of 1993, the indictment says, al Libi conducted visual and photographic surveillance of the United States Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya.

CNN terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank cites the testimony of an alleged co-conspirator of al Libi's on what happened next.

PAUL CRUICKSHANK, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST: These very same pictures were brought to bin Laden in Sudan, and that bin Laden looked through the pictures and then decided where he was going to put a truck bomb.

TODD: But the plan was put on a shelf for five years. All U.S. officials seem to know now is that al Libi was simply allegedly a scout for the operation. By the time bin Laden ordered the 1998 embassy bombings, al Libi had joined another militant group.

CRUICKSHANK: It's plausible he had no knowledge that bin Laden had actually green-lighted the operation, that bin Laden had used his photographs to attack the embassy.

TODD (on camera): But, of course, that didn't mean that al Libi wasn't part of the plot originally. Contacted by CNN neither the prosecutor's office, nor U.S. intelligence official would comment on the remarks by al Libi's wife that he's innocent.

Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

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RAJPAL: We're going to share a distressing story from Peru with you now. It shows fisherman chopping up dolphins while they're still alive to be used as shark bait. Animal conservations groups say the practice is widespread. And we do need to warn you this report by CNN's Rafael Romo does contain disturbing images.

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RAFAEL ROMO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Off the Peruvian Pacific coast in South America, a fishing vessel is sailing in rough waters. Right under the ship's bow, several dolphins swim back and forth while a menace lurks on the surface, just a few meters above.

One of the dolphins has been harpooned and is now being hauled onto the ship, bleeding profusely. What happens next is hard to watch. Fishermen begin to cut up the dolphin while the animal is still alive.

JIM WICKENS, JOURNALIST: It's then flensed, which is the technical term for the skin of the dolphin being peeled of its back. And it's cut to be used as fish bait.

ROMO: Jim Wickens, a journalist with the London-based ecologist film unit, witnessed the scene along with a photographer from Argentina who recorded the gruesome images on video.

The dolphins are chopped up to be used as bait for sharks.

WICKENS: In recent years in Peru, there's been an upsurge in the targeting of sharks. The shark meat is predominantly consumed within Peru, but the fins we're told are being exported to the Far East for use as shark fin soup.

ROMO: As far as you know, how widespread is this practice not only in Peru, but in other parts of the world?

WICKENS; It's very hard to know exactly how many dolphins are being killed worldwide, Rafael, because it simply happens out of sight and out of mind. Conservation experts Mundo Azul in Peru estimate over 10,000 are being killed every year in Peruvian waters alone.

ROMO: Peruvian officials say the practice has been illegal since 1996 and are considering banning shark fishing to discourage the use of dolphins as bait.

PAUL PHUMPIU, PERUVIAN VICE MINISTER OF FISHING (through translator): We're evaluating and if we find out that this is a widespread practice and the fishing of one species is affecting another, then we're going to take drastic measures. That means using tools at our disposal including banning the fishing of certain species as well as the sale of others.

ROMO: Dolphin hunting has financial incentives. NGOs estimate every fishing expedition nets the fishermen about 22,000 dollars.

WICKENS: It's a conservation car crash: one apex predator being taken out of the ecosystem, being chopped up and fed to catch another. Whichever way you look at it, it's bad news for the oceans.

ROMO: The London-based ecologist film unit in cooperation with the Pulitzer Center for Crisis Reporting collaborated with the Peruvian marine conservation NGO known as Mundo Azul to obtain the video. The fishermen knew the foreigners were journalists and allowed them on board for a week in exchange for fuel money and the protection of their anonymity, although they didn't know the full scope of their investigation.

Conservation groups say the practice is not unique to Peru. They've also received reports of dolphin fishing for shark bait in Asia, where shark fin soup is considered a delicacy.

Rafael Romo, CNN, Atlanta.

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RAJPAL: You are watching News Stream. Let's return to our visual rundown now. In just a few minutes we'll tell you about the backlash these men are facing for pushing over a rock formation that is millions of years old. But now let's take a look at Apple's new iPads. Ipad Air took center stage. It's a redesigned version of the full-sized iPad that's thinner and lighter. The iPad mini didn't get an external makeover, but it does have a sharper screen and faster processor. And as CNN Money's Adrian Covert told Laurie Segall, that could make a huge difference.

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ADRIAN COVERT, CNN MONEY: I think that for Apple, the iPad mini is now their most important tablet. They took the iPad mini and gave it all the same specs as their larger iPad and it's cheaper, which basically means they want this to be the device that everyone buys. There's no reason to buy, you know, the bigger iPad unless you have a very specific need for that larger screen.

LAURIE SEGALL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wasn't it -- and correct me if I'm wrong, it could be, but wasn't it before people are saying the -- Apple coming out with an iPad mini, are they crazy? I mean, people are very skeptical of this at first, right?

COVERT: Well, Apple was very skeptical. Apple for years and years and years -- not, years and years and years, but, you know, for a couple of years was like, no, we're not going to make a smaller tablet. We are not going to do this. We don't think it's a good idea. But once companies like Amazon and Google started making these smaller tablets and they started selling well, Apple was forced to look at the reality of the situation.

And so last year's iPad mini release was an experiment. It was a very good experiment for them, because by February of last year, everybody was already noticing that the iPad mini was going to cannibalize the larger iPad.

SEGALL: You would say that the iPad mini is kind of the future of their iPad vision, right?

COVERT: Yeah, absolutely. Even when you're using it, it's lighter and thinner and ultimately it's easier to handle, which is a big deal. You know, even if you're just in the living room, or if you take it out of the house with you, it's even a bigger deal.

So I think having that smaller size appeals to a lot of people.

SEGALL: You know, there's a joke that Apple would have to give wings to an iPad to make it really revolutionary at this point. I mean, have we just reached that point where OK it's a great iPad and there's so many out there, but I mean, they would really have to overhaul something to make this groundbreaking.

COVERT: Yeah, I don't think it took very long for them to get to that state, but they did. And so I mean, you know, the tablet is about as good as it's going to be. You'll make it a little bit faster, a little bit better, but you know the next wave might be, you know, more of the convergence device, which might be something for them to look into, but you know, as far as the pure tablet goes, the iPad is pretty good right now.

SEGALL: Talk about -- what you mean, convergence device.

COVERT: So, sort of the hybrid, the -- you know, looking at, you know, the PC-tablet convergence like the Microsoft Surface or, you know, a lot of people who work in business and travel a lot keep trying to use the iPad as the, you know, a laptop and so they get keyboard cases and keep trying to do that, but it doesn't quite work.

So, you know, maybe that's an area for Apple to explore. But that remains to be seen.

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RAJPAL: CNN Money's Adrian Covert talking to Laurie Segall.

The new iPad Air goes on sale November 1, while the upgrade iPad mini will arrive in stores later in November.

Each week we are showcasing one of CNN's top 10 heroes of the year. And we're inviting you to go online and vote for your favorite. This week meet Chad Pregracke. He was so upset about trash being dumped in America's rivers that he started picking it up himself by hand. Now he has the help of thousands of volunteers through his nonprofit which is cleaning up rivers around the country.

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CHAD PEGRACKE, DEFENDING THE PLANET: 67,000 tires, 951 refrigerators, 233 stoves, it's crazy what you find in the rivers.

I grew up around Mississippi River. Around the age of 17 I really started to focus on the problem. 18 million people get their daily drinking water from the river. I'm thinking, this should not be like this.

This stuff just collects here and it goes on for blocks like this. It's a bad deal.

I said, you know what no one is going to do anything about it. I will.

I'm Chad Pegracke and with the help over over 70,000 volunteers we've removed over 7 million pounds of garbage from America's rivers.

You guys ready?

CROWD: Yeah!

PEGRACKE: Our primary focus is the Mississippi River.

You guys, you'll be amazing in two hours how much stuff we get.

In all, we've worked on 22 rivers in 18 states.

We do everything in our power to get people excited about it, because at the end of the day it's just -- you're out there picking up garbage.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this a basketball?

PEGRACKE: It's yours. It's totally yours.

Little by little we're getting it.

But you're having fun, they'll have fun.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I knew I was going to be flirting for sure, but I didn't think I'd be singing karaoke on a boat.

PEGRACKE: People want to see change. And stepping up to make change.

That was the last bag. Come on, let's give it up!

This is a problem that people created, but a problem that people can fix.

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RAJPAL: Chad is just one of the top 10 CNN Heroes in the running to be CNN Hero of the year. The winner will be -- will receive $250,000 to further their work. And you get to decide who it will be. Go to CNN.com - - go to CNNHeroes.com online and on your mobile device to vote once a day, every day, for the most inspirational hero.

You are watching News Stream. This rock formation was millions of years in the making, but it took just minutes to knock it over. A minute the man in this video may well end up regretting.

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RAJPAL: If you've ever spent hours watching a string of videos on YouTube, you might want to throw your vote behind your favorites. The video sharing site is preparing for its first ever music awards. CNN's Jake Tapper has a wrap of some of the nominees.

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JAKE TAPPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It's the only reason anyone knows what Charlie did to his brother.

UNIDENTIFIED CHILD: Charlie bit me.

TAPPER: And for more than one billion, billion with a "b," users, it was the perfect way to learn Gangnam style. Talking about YouTube, of course, and now that it's captured the world's attention, the 8-year- old company has decided to host an awards show.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You decide who wins. It's all about you, the fans. This is a night for you.

TAPPER: The first ever YouTube Music Awards will be hosted by actor, Jason Schwartzman on November 3rd in New York City.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm hosting the YouTube Music Awards.

TAPPER: Why music you might ask? Well, because for the web site that launched Justin Bieber, music videos are gold.

MIKE SHIELDS, DIGITAL EDITOR, ADWEEK: A few years ago, the music video seemed like it was dead. MTV hasn't played them in years. YouTube really fostered a second generation of music video artists. You can argue that YouTube has really saved the art form, reinvented music videos.

TAPPER: Last night, nominees in six categories were announced, including viral videos from boy bands One Direction and Taylor Swift for artist of the year. But fan remixes also have a category, with nominees like this version of Taylor Swift's hit by a group called "Walk Off The Earth."

As for the awards shows musical guests, YouTube has abandoned its legions of hair brush hopefuls to stick with the mainstream acts that up its click count. Such as Lady Gaga whose newest video amassed more than 66 million views in its first six weeks on the site.

Eminem will be there, too, likely performing his 38 million click hit berserk and to keep its street cred intact, Indi favorite Arcade Fire will round out the lineup. The Grammys and MTV seem to have covered this territory with their own attention grabbers, but YouTube is trying to aim wider.

Taped performances by artists in Seoul, Moscow, London and Rio will precede YouTube's 90-minute live event in New York. And Spike Jones, who music video fans might know best for directing the beastie boys' pre- YouTube hit "Sabotage" will be calling all the shots.

SHIELDS: For the average person, YouTube is about short hits. YouTube is trying to create a different kind of use here, trying to get you to sit around for an hour and a half to watch an event. That's different than sitting around watching the Grammys on TV.

TAPPER: Need I even say, YouTube is planning to stream the entire event live online.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The play button from YouTube. I got one for real.

TAPPER: Nominees were determined by their level of fan engagement and the amount of tweets, shares, views and comments garnered by the video.

Jake Tapper, CNN, Washington.

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RAJPAL: Well, staying with YouTube, we want to bring you an update now to a story we first brought you last week. Take a look at this video. It shows a group of hikers celebrating after toppling over a Jurassic era rock formation in the Goblin Valley in the U.S. state of Utah.

Tom Foreman has more now on the fallout.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wiggle it, just a little bit...

TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It took millions of years to build the rock formation in Utah's Goblin Valley. It took seconds for Glenn Tailor to push one over.

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FOREMAN: But now, it seems increasingly possible the viral video of that instant in time could produce long-lasting repercussions.

For starter, both Taylor and the man who shot the video, Dave Hall, had been relieved of their duties as Boy Scout leaders, as has a third man. Authorities say they may face criminal charges. As one of the men told a local payment, they've also been getting death threats from people in Germany and Spain and New Zealand, hundreds and hundreds of hateful messages.

Never mind that Hall has argued they were performing a public service by preventing a Roadrunner and coyote scenario in which the unstable rock might unexpectedly fall on people using the popular park.

DAVE HALL, FILMED THE ROCK TIPPING: That thing wobbled. I looked at that main path, that main walkway and I thought, one gust of wind and a family is dead.

FOREMAN: But the strangeness just won't stop. Does Hall look familiar? He was a close friend of Travis Alexander. The man murdered by former girlfriend gone bad Jodi Arias. Hall appeared on TV dozens of time during her trial, right through the guilty verdict.

HALL: Today, Travis' family will get a good night's sleep knowing that justice worked.

FOREMAN: But Hall may not be sleeping well and he is avoiding TV. He told OUTFRONT, based on the advice of his lawyer, he is not speaking to the press.

(on camera): And here is a final odd twist. One reason that area in Utah is a state park is that people as far back as the 1960s feared the delicate rock formations needed to be protected or they might be destroyed by vandals.

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FOREMAN (voice-over): It is all rising like a dust devil around the rock topplers who now can only wait to see how the scales of justice might tip.

For Outfront, Tom Foreman, CNN.

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RAJPAL: And that is News Stream, but the news continues here at CNN. I'm Monita Rajpal. World Business Today is next.

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