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Obstruction Call Allows Winning Run in 9TH; Report: U.S. Spied on Merkel for 10+ Years; 5 Stabbed to Death Overnight

Aired October 27, 2013 - 08:00   ET

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MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN ANCHOR: A horrible story to tell you about in New York. A family stabbed to death in a home, four of them children. We have live coverage on the attack.

CHRISTI PAUL, CNN ANCHOR: And the Air Force Academy honor code, cadets must pledge not to lie, cheat, or steal. But now, one part of the oath is optional. And the change have sparked quite a debate.

MARQUEZ: And did you see that game last night? The game. A controversial call sends friends into a frenzy.

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PAUL: I thought he was going to pull his cartoon voice out there and say fans into a rage!

MARQUEZ: No.

PAUL: You do it so much better than I do.

MARQUEZ: Fans into a rage. Is that better?

PAUL: See? That's great.

We're so glad to have you with us today. I'm Christi Paul.

MARQUEZ: And I need more coffee. I'm Miguel Marquez.

It's 8:00, and this is NEW DAY SUNDAY.

PAUL: And we're starting this hour with one of the craziest, most controversial endings to a World Series game ever.

MARQUEZ: But what a series, absolutely fantastic. St. Louis Cardinals won game three last night, but it will be debated for years to come.

PAUL: OK. So I hope you have a good view of the television right now, because even if you saw it live, you're still going over it going I want to see it again. I want to figure it out. More than 110 years of baseball, no World Series game ever has ended like this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TV ANNOUNCER: Grounds one. Pedroia makes the play! Throw home, two outs. It gets away. Allen Craig is going to come to the plate. Here's the throw!

He is -- the umpire making the call. They're going to say he's safe. There was interference at third base. Interference with Middlebrooks at third.

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MARQUEZ: You can't stop watching. It's like watching a train wreck.

PAUL: Yes, let me see it, let me see it again.

MARQUEZ: Joe Carter to sort it out. Interference, what was it?

JOE CARTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, if you're a Boston Red Sox fan, you're saying absolutely that was bad call. If you're a St. Louis fan, you're saying it's the actual rule book says that is the correct call because whether or not he intended to interfere with the runner, he interfered with the runner, therefore, it's obstruction. He impeded his progress towards from third base towards home plate.

We haven't seen something like this happen in a long time. This is the first time we've ever seen anything like this happen in a World Series, for a game to end like this.

And so, it happens in the bottom of the ninth. The runner is trying to advance. He gets tripped up. The umpire at home plate sees the third base umpire has called the obstruction rule.

So basically what happens is Will Middlebrooks, he's at the third base, and he is laying flat on his stomach. He trips up Allen Craig as he's tries to go towards home plate. That would have been the game winning run.

The umpire is just saying, because he interfered, he tripped, he impeded with this progress, he was unable to run fully to home plate. So, therefore, it's obstruction call and therefore they get the run and therefore, the St. Louis cardinals win in a wild, wild fashion game three.

PAUL: That's why it is so critical. It changed the outcome of the game.

CARTER: Yes. I mean, could change the outcome of the entire series. For Boston to be able to win that game puts the momentum on their side, gives them an advantage moving forward.

PAUL: I'll tell you, people on my Facebook and Twitter, man, there are people that do not agree with this. It is really interesting how passionate people get.

MARQUEZ: But it's the intent word that you use. Whether or not he tried to trip the guy -- that is beside the point here. CARTER: The rule says it doesn't have to be intent. Obstruction is the active word. The fielder while not in position of the ball and not in the act of fielding impedes the progress any runner.

MARQUEZ: Like a sports lawyer all of a sudden.

CARTER: We haven't seen this happen in a long time. 2004 is the last time that an obstruction call determined the outcome of the game. That was a Rays-Mariners game. And in that situation, it's when the runner impeded the view of a fielder trying to catch a sacrifice fly ball.

This is entirely different. People saying, well, maybe he didn't intend to trip him up. Doesn't matter, he did.

MARQUEZ: I like both teams. I like the cardinals because that's the first time I ever saw play. But that didn't look like -- you could have read that as he was trying to hop up quickly with all his weight and try to make the play.

PAUL: It almost looked like he was going to push up. Do I get up? Do I not get up?

MARQUEZ: He did raise the back burner.

CARTER: Again, it doesn't matter. As long as the runner is interfered --

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MARQUEZ: All right. The wise Joe Carter.

PAUL: And we're going to game four now.

MARQUEZ: It's going to get much more interesting.

CARTER: You have the two best teams in baseball on the biggest stage, fall classic. It couldn't end -- it couldn't be more dramatic. We had a great game one, great game two and now for it to end like this.

MARWQUEZ: Well, a weird game one.

PAUL: Heck of a series. Now watch, I'm telling you, it looks like the guy is doing pushups. I do get up? Do I not get up?

MARQUEZ: It happened so fast.

PAUL: It did. Thank goodness for replay.

MARQUEZ: Amazing.

PAUL: Joe Carter, always glad you're here. Thank you.

CARTER: Good to see you guys.

MARQUEZ: Thank you very much.

PAUL: You, too. Busy man this weekend.

MARQUEZ: And new allegations of spying between friends and they just happen to be two critical allies in the war against terror. A German magazine "Ders Spiegel" is reporting that U.S. may have bugged German Chancellor Angela Merkel's phone for more than a decade. Berlin is outraged, rightly so. Germany even summoned the new ambassador for an explanation.

President Obama was in Berlin just a few months ago. This past week he reportedly told Ms. Merkel that he knew nothing about the alleged phone tapping and had he, he would have stopped it if he did.

CNN's Jim Boulden joins us now live from London.

Jim, the alleged phone tapping hits close to home for Merkel, yes?

JIM BOULDEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, for a couple reasons.

Number one, when we see Chancellor Merkel in meetings, when she's at summit to the E.U., she's got her phone. She loves having her cellphone. We see her texting a lot. So, you would imagine that that offends her if it's true that they were able to monitor her phone for the last ten years.

Also, you think about it. She grew up in former communist East Germany where there was an amazing amount of surveillance, the police state of East Germany. That's what she grew up with. You could see her being offended by that. She is really taking the lead on this for the last couple of days. As we hear more and more why, it's not surprising that Chancellor Angela Merkel is the most critical about this of any E.U. leader, Miguel.

MARQUEZ: And the overall damage to the relationship? I mean, is it the sense there in Germany and in Europe that this could really have a lasting imp impact?

BOULDEN: I don't know about a lasting impact, but they're not calming down here. There was a press conference on Friday. We heard Mrs. Merkel, and the president of France, Hollande as well, saying they want more explanations. We know that Germany is going to go to U.N., along with brazil for a resolution to deal with private data. They want to see more laws in Europe to actually restrict how you use people's personal data.

But Germany and the U.S. huge trading partners, businesses work in both these countries very important. And there's a personal relationship, I think, between Mrs. Merkel and President Obama. We saw that in June when he was in Berlin.

MARQUEZ: Clearly, there is going to be a lot of sorting out to be done over the weekends and months ahead. Jim Boulden for us in London, thank you very much. PAUL: Also if you're just waking up, what a story overnight. Five people stabbed to death. Four of them are children. We're going to bring you the latest on what we uncovered there.

MARQUEZ: And a word of an arrest this morning in the incident that injured several people on a ride at the North Carolina state fair. Wait until you hear who's been arrested and what he's been charged with.

Alexandra?

ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: And a big storm brewing in the U.K. potentially 60 to 80 mile-per-hour wind gusts. I'll have more on that coming up when NEW DAY SUNDAY. We'll be back in --

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PAUL: I wish I had better news to tell you on a Sunday morning. But this story out of NEW YORK is horrendous. A mother and her four children between, all between the ages of 1 and 9 were found stabbed to death inside their home in Brooklyn.

Police at the scene did take a man into custody, but he has not been charged.

MARQUEZ: CNN's Alexandra Field is in New York.

Alexandra, what do we know about the victims or the person in custody at the moment?

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we know that these five people, a mother and her four children, children all 9 and under were attacked in their own home, all of them killed after being stabbed.

Police arrived at the scene in Brooklyn last night. They say they found a 9-year-old girl and a 7-year-old girl both dead, along with a 1-year-old boy -- all three had been stabbed in the upper part of their body. A 37-year-old woman now identified as the mother and her 5-year-old son also had stab wounds to the upper parts of their body. They were rushed to the hospital. Police say they both died at the hospital.

Neighbors gathered outside the home stunned by what had happened inside.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually this area is safe. And recently, suddenly, it becomes very dangerous.

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FIELD: Police immediately took someone into custody. They say they found that person on the scene. That person is being interviewed by police. We do not know what the connection could be between that person, the mother, and her four children -- Christi, Miguel.

PAUL: Alexandra Field in New York, thank you so much.

MARQUEZ: Well, take a look at this. This is a live look at the iconic London bridge, Tower Bridge in London this morning. Beautiful. It is gorgeous out there.

Conditions are looking calm now. Potentially there is a potential danger for a storm heading toward Britain this morning. I think it's windy with a chance of nanny, basically.

PAUL: Nice.

MARQUEZ: Do you like that?

PAUL: Mary Poppins flying over the sky.

MARQUEZ: That was a Mary Poppins reference.

Forecasters are calling for hurricane-force winds with gusts up to 80 miles per hour.

PAUL: Actually, it's not Mary Poppins, it is Alexandra Steele. And she is actually walking us through what is going to happen.

Hi, Alexandra.

ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: That's right. Hi, you guys. Good morning.

If I was holding an umbrella with these winds, you'd be taken away.

So, currently, 63 in London. Southwest winds sustained at 21. That will certainly change tonight and for tomorrow. So maybe you have travel plans to fly into London to Heathrow, it will be bumpy. We have very strong winds.

So let me show you why we're seeing it. All right. Here's the satellite picture. There is an area of low pressure. You can see kind of pretty clearly delineated there. But that's not the area of concern. What's happening is southwest of the U.K., here's the U.K., southwest of that, an area of low pressure is developing and deepening and with that, we will see wind gusts 50 to 70 mile per hour. So not sustained winds. But certainly gusts.

Like a hurricane, you can see the possible tracks. This center track is kind of the highest probability. Most likely the track with some very strong gusts and some winds. And the potential, guys, will be for power loss. Again, it's autumn with the leaves. Power and transportation disruption is what we're going to see.

PAUL: All righty. Thank you so much. We appreciate it.

STEELE: All right.

MARQUEZ: Still to come: Jay-Z stepping into the fray over a battle on racial profiling.

PAUL: His fans may not be happy with what he has to say though. That story is just ahead. Stay close.

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PAUL: All righty. New this morning for you:

Jay-Z is breaking his silence over two incidents of alleged racial profiling at Barney's and slamming the media for dragging him into the fray over a deal he has with the company.

MARQUEZ: The rapper issued a statement on his Web site Saturday saying, quote, "I move and speak based on facts and not emotion. I haven't made any comments because I am waiting on facts and the outcome of a meeting between community leaders and Barneys. Why am I being demonized and denounced and thrown on the cover of a newspaper for not speaking immediately?"

He went on, "I have been working with my team ever since the situation was brought to my attention to get to the bottom of these incidents and find a solution that doesn't harm all those that stand to benefit from this collaboration."

PAUL: Now, portions of the proceeds from Jay-Z's Barneys collaboration are going to a charity run by his Shawn Carter Foundation. The response though stems from two incidents involving African-American customers at luxury retailer Barneys. Both shoppers say police were called to question them after they made expensive purchases.

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TRAYON CHRISTIAN, SAYS HE WAS RACIALLY PROFILED AT BARNEYS: Undercover cops that had regular clothes on stopped me from the left side and said I just got a call from Barneys saying your card is not real.

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MARQUEZ: Jay-Z's decision to hold off on judgment may has one of the shoppers who called on the superstar to take action.

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KAYLA PHILLIPS, SAYS SHE WAS RACIALLY PROFILED AT BARNEYS: Jay-Z is a very busy man. I know when he do get involved, he'll make the right choice. I don't think he should do any more business with Barneys.

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PAUL: Jay-Z's holiday collaboration by the way is set to debut next month. Barneys has apologized for those incidents.

MARQUEZ: New this morning, investigators say an accident at the North Carolina state fair was no accident at all. Five people god hurt Thursday night when they were climbing off the vortex and it suddenly started up again. The ride operator Timothy Tutterrow is facing three felony counts of assault with a deadly weapon this morning. Police say he sabotaged the ride and more arrests may be in the works.

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SHERIFF DONNIE HARRISON, WAKE COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA: This ride was tampered with after the inspection. And the critical safety devices were tampered with and compromised.

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MARQUEZ: Let's talk to CNN legal analyst and criminal defense attorney Paul Callan in New York.

Hello there, Paul.

PAUL CALLAN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Good morning.

MARQUEZ: Three felony counts of assault with a deadly weapon to inflict serious bodily injury. It's an amusement park ride. I mean, do they have to bring that assault with a deadly weapon into this?

CALLAN: Well, they don't have to, but frankly though throw that in frequently in criminal cases. I mean you can use a knife in the kitchen to cut a tomato or a human being. If it's used on a human being, it's a deadly weapon. If not, it's not.

Cars are deadly weapons. All kinds of things are deadly weapons.

So, I'm not surprised. They're taking this very seriously. They're looking to trump up these charges to the most serious possible.

MARQUEZ: Yes. I mean, they clearly think that something was tampered with. Obviously, the concern is so many people go to the state fares and go on the rides. Is there anything out there that you look at that you can say is a similar case to this?

CALLAN: Yes. I can. You know, I went through this morning some of the statistics on this, by the way. Very few criminal charges are rising out of these carnival ride accidents. Somebody did a survey up until 1999. There had only been five criminal charges in the previous century. I don't know, you know, what happened in the last ten years.

But I'll tell you, the closest analogy, Miguel, that I find is people who watch television if they ever watch that series "Brooklyn D.A." that was on for a while, one of the cases they studied was an elevator accident in New York where someone whose job it was to repair the elevator tampered with a safety device which allowed the door to remain open on another floor while he was testing the elevator. And somebody walked into the elevator shaft and died. Sounds very similar to this -- tampering with a safety device to make your job easier and then someone dies. So it's not an unprecedented approach to the case. It's been sustained in other courts in other parts of the country.

MARQUEZ: And authorities using the word sabotage to describe this. I was thinking this may have been somebody that did it to be spiteful or mean. But when they say sabotage, what does that raise in your mind?

CALLAN: I don't know. I mean that's a vague term. It does have a meaning that is what you say.

I'm betting though in the end that this is what was tampered with was some device probably that makes it harder to start the ride until people are in a safe position. And maybe they were tampering just to make their job easier.

If it's sabotage, that would make this really a first-degree murder case, not a reckless murder case. Now you would be deliberately disabling the ride with the intent of hurting somebody. So I suspect it's probably going to be an industrial accident arising out of somebody being really reckless and lazy in their approach to their job.

MARQUEZ: Paul, thank you very much for getting up early in New York for us today. Thanks.

CALLAN: Always my pleasure, Miguel. Thank you.

PAUL: All right. In Georgia a historic community is under attack by the taxman. Think about what you do in this situation. We're talking about Georgia's Sapelo Island. That's been home to generations of Gullah-Geechee people. Basically it's a tiny community of 50 people all descendants of slaves.

Now the small hamlet which has no paved roads, no school, is facing massive tax increases. We're talking some as high as 600 percent. The island's residents are protected of their past but apparently also frightened for the future.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They humbled themselves, most of the times in certain disgrace and weren't allowed to live. They were only allowed to survive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once we lose the land through this strategy of increasing taxes, we're gone as a people.

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PAUL: Tax officials say the increases are because of fair market for the area. Some community members have filed lawsuits to have their taxes lowered. We'll keep you posted on how that plays out.

MARQUEZ: Interesting.

Darrell Wallace Jr. made racing history yesterday. He is the first African-American driver to win the sport's national level in 50 years. He won the truck series event at Martinsville speedway. Wallace who just turned 20, amazingly enough, this month is a graduate of NASCAR's drive for diversity program which helps multicultural and female drivers advance in the sport.

To be sure, stay with us all day because he'll be live right here on CNN talking to our very own Fredricka Whitfield at 2:00 p.m. Eastern today. That's awesome.

PAUL: I'm happy with that smile, yes, I'm ready to go.

Speaking of a smile, a new picture of the royal family is revealed. The image shows the duke and duchess of Cambridge gazing down at their son Prince George who is also smiling. He's been doing so in just about every photo. He is a happy baby.

MARQUEZ: Very, very good.

The picture was taken as part of Prince George's christening ceremony. He became a member of the Church of England on Wednesday.

PAUL: One airline passenger at JFK was packing heat. Did you hear about this?

MARQUEZ: I did.

PAUL: I know.

Loaded rifle with serial numbers obscured just one of the weapons found. We're going to tell you what else they found on him, some of which is illegal in New York.

MARQUEZ: An outrage this morning over claims that U.S. spied on German chancellor. Now there's word it wasn't just Angela Merkel.

Isn't that right, Erin?

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That is absolutely right, Miguel. And German leaders are not happy about it.

I'm Erin McPike live in Washington. I'll have a look at how we got here in the first place when NEW DAY SUNDAY returns.

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PAUL: If you're waking up wondering what day it is, that does happen sometimes, I know. It's Sunday. We're glad to have you with us. I'm Christi Paul.

Don't you have those moments when you wake up and you think it's Saturday. Oh, it's Monday.

MARQUEZ: Yes, right. PAUL: You know what I'm talking about.

MARQUEZ: I'm having that right now because I'm just waking up.

I'm Miguel Marquez. Bottom of the hour.

Here are the five things you need to know for your NEW DAY.

Number one, a grim discovery in New York. Police found a woman and her four children between the ages of 1 and 9 stabbed to death inside their home. It happened in Brooklyn. A man was taken into custody at the scene. He has not been charged. Police responding to a 911 call found all five victims with stab wounds to their upper bodies.

PAUL: Number two, a Tennessee man is facing weapons charges. He checked a loaded rifle and other illegal firearms at New York's JFK airport. It is legal to carry a rifle in New York City but only if it's unloaded. Investigators say some weapons had the serial numbers covered by paint which is also a crime.

MARQUEZ: That's odd.

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BART SIMPSON: Hey, everybody. Let's turn our desks backwards. >

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CHARACTER: All right, backwards boy, back your butt down to detention.

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MARQUEZ: Number three, Hollywood is mourning the death of Marcia Wallace. She won an Emmy for her portrayal of Bart Simpson's fourth grade teacher and nemesis. She also memorably played receptionist Carol on the "Bob Newhart Show" and "Murphy Brown." Marcia Wallace was 70 years old.

PAUL: Number four, oh, a wild, controversial ending to game three of the World Series. I know you want to see it again because you're still trying to figure it out. St. Louis took the lead in the bottom of the ninth on obstruction charge. But it looks like the throw beat Allen Craig to the plate, right? The umpire says, no, the Red Sox third baseman interfered, tripped, obstructed the runner from going home. Game four is tonight in St. Louis. But that's going to be a doozie (ph).

MARQUEZ: Oh yes it's going to get better and better, I think.

Number five, temperatures are getting back to normal today in the south and northeast. It's a welcome change after an early season cold snap. Alexandra Steele -- she is here with your forecast for the week. ALEXANDRA STEELE, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Hi, yes. Absolutely. All right 57 in New York today just a few degrees below average; 72 in Atlanta, Georgia. So temperatures across the country really especially in the eastern half, temperatures up from where they've been they kind of bottomed out.

All right forecast for today if you're heading to St. Louis, game time tonight, clear skies at 47 degrees. So it will be cool. But sunny skies here in the southeast. Cool around the Great Lakes and the northeast. And there is the snowstorm we're watching moving in tomorrow to Wyoming and Montana about five to eight inches then -- guys.

MARQUEZ: Thank you very much. Alexandra Steele I love those big giant suns across the country.

STEELE: That's right.

MARQUEZ: It's hot, hot.

Now the U.S. in damage control mode this weekend with its major European allies.

PAUL: Germany is sending its top intelligence officials to Washington in just weeks. And the first question they may ask "Has the U.S. been bugging German Chancellor Angela Merkel's phone for years," for up to a decade as we hear?

CNN's Erin McPike is joining us now from Washington. Ok, what do we know specifically about these allegations?

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the German magazine "Der Spiegel" reported just yesterday that the way or excuse me that the United States has been listening in on Merkel's phone calls for last ten years.

Now the White House yesterday said that they won't comment on specific allegations of this kind of intelligence activity. But they said we do, do surveillance just like all other countries do. So they're not really owning up to it yet but President Obama in the past week has tried to assuage her fears. But we'll see what happens when these German officials come to the United States in the next few weeks.

MARQUEZ: All right and these embarrassing revelations for the U.S. coming from -- are they coming from Edward Snowden?

MCPIKE: Well, of course, Edward Snowden has leaked a whole bunch of this stuff over the last few months. We want to take a look back at what he has leaked that we know of so far.

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MCPIKE (voice over): May 20th, NSA leaker Edward Snowden flees to Hong Kong and shortly after, the revelations begin. On June 5th "The Guardian" newspaper reports the U.S. government has systematically been collecting the phone records of millions of Americans. Basing its report on documents it later says Snowden provided.

Then another bombshell the very next day, June 6th. "The Guardian" and "The Washington Post" revealed the existence of "Prism" a program allowing the NSA to record the activities of people using the Internet. Under pressure, President Obama tells the American people he's confident the government is striking the right balance between security and privacy.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think it's important to recognize that you can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience.

MCPIKE: From his Hong Kong hotel room, Snowden sells "The Guardian" he's not a traitor.

EDWARD SNOWDEN, NSA LEAKER: I don't want to live in a world where everything that I say, everything I do, everyone I talk to, every expression of creativity or love or friendship is recorded.

MCPIKE: After the U.S. charges Snowden with espionage and seeks his extradition, he flies to Moscow and hiding out in a Moscow airport applies for asylum. Over the next couple of months, the Snowden side will get overshadowed by the threat of U.S. military action in Syria and the U.S. government shutdown.

But then Snowden strikes again with more embarrassing revelations about U.S. spying, this time overseas on its allies. On Monday, the French newspaper "Le Monde" reports the NSA may have intercepted 70 million calls in France over the period of a month. And on Wednesday, "The Guardian" reports the NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders including German Chancellor Angela Merkel's personal phone. An angry Merkel says the allegations left U.S. and European relations quote "severely shaken."

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MCPIKE: Now Snowden is still in Russia. But he did provide a statement yesterday to the ACLU that was read here in Washington at a big protest where the message was "stop watching us".

PAUL: All right.

MARQUEZ: Erin McPike thank you very much.

PAUL: "So help me God." That used to be -- used to be how cadets the Air Force Academy ended the honor oath.

MARQUEZ: Or the way my mother used to end certain sentences.

We'll tell you about the brand new revised version and who's not happy about the change.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) PAUL: Oh it is a beautiful morning to you and an afternoon to anyone watching from Vatican City. A live look here at St. Peter's Square on this Sunday.

And in our "Faces of Faith" this morning, we're talking about one phrase in particular. So I want to get started here.

"So help my God" -- just four words but for a lot of people it's the sacred seal of a promise that can never be broken. Now those words are no longer required as part of the honor oath at the U.S. Air Force Academy. Now officials just last week made the phrase optional. They were responding to a complaint that it violated the constitutional guarantee of religious freedom.

So let's talk about this with Chris Rodda she is with the Military of Religious Freedom Foundation -- that's the group that filed the complaint; and Ron Crews, he's executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty and a retired Army Reserve Chaplin. Gentlemen I'm so glad to have both of you with us. Thank you.

Chris, I want to start with you real quick. The Air Force Academy hey made the phrase "So Help Me God" optional, didn't eliminate it altogether. Is that enough for you?

CHRIS RODDA, MILITARY OF RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOUNDATION: No, it's not. The words are still there. It really hasn't changed anything for them to just tell the cadets you don't have to say it is the same -- that's what it was before. But they weren't telling the cadets they didn't have to say it. But it's really the same. There's no effect.

PAUL: Ok. Chaplin Cruz, let me ask you, you said making the phrase "So Help Me God" optional. On the other side of this, sends a hostile message to cadets who do believe in God. How do you think this affect the change affects them?

COL. RON CREWS (RET.), CHAPLAIN, U.S. ARMY RESERVE: Well, we are disappointed in the Air Force once again bowing to a phone call or an e-mail from Mr. Weinstein. This has been a pattern of the Air Force every time Mr. Weinstein complains about something, they seem to just immediately yield to him.

And this phrase, "So Help Me God", has been a part of the military tradition for generations. And it's a part of the military oath to this day. The same Air Force cadets when they swear allegiance to become an officer in the United States Air Force they're going to have that phrase again. And it has always been known among military circles that that phrase is optional.

So I commend the superintendent of the Air Force Academy for not striking this phrase. I believe she did the right thing. In saying that this phrase is a part of the oath. It is a part of the oath. But it is optional. If someone is offended by that phrase, they don't have to say it. But for those cadets who come from households of faith, we are grateful that they will be able to continue to solemnize their oath as a cadets by being able to say those four words, "So Help Me God."

PAUL: You know, Colonel Cruz is right in the sense that God is still very much a part of a reference as two God a huge part of life in the U.S. and in government, it's what the country was founded on, initially. It's on our money. It's still in the pledge of allegiance. So does changing the oath of the Air Force Academy Chris, it's an institution, it's 4,000 cadets -- does it change anything for you?

RODDA: It hasn't always been. The original military oath written by the founders, 1789, did not contain the words "So Help Me God." That wasn't added for officers until 1862 and for enlisted to 1962. So this stuff about the founders is just dead wrong.

PAUL: Chris, let me ask you. Is -- is -- I it offensive to you because -- because God is a very generalized term. So it's not specific to, you know, Christians or -- it's Christian, Jewish, Muslim. Everybody has a -- perhaps not everybody but some people, most religions have God in them. And this is very generalized. Is that's what so frustrating for you?

RODDA: But then there is also a lot of people, not just atheists but also many Christians who will not take oaths because they obey -- I think it is Matthew 5:30 something that outright says do not take oaths simply say yes or no. And there's a lot of people, religious people, that say this isn't -- we get paid as being an atheist organization. We're not 96 percent of our clients are Christians.

And so you know Mr. Cruz he is always calls us an atheist organization. Certainly and other people do and that it's just not the case. And this is -- also this is not about an establishment clause verse a man with issue. If this is about article six of the Constitution, then no religious test clause which is why all of our oaths when the founders wrote them or in oath or affirmation and did not have the words "So Help Me God." And like I said, these weren't added until much later.

PAUL: Ok Chaplain Cruz what is your response?

CREWS: Well, I find it interesting that on the same day that this complaint was filed in 1781 Congress heard of the American victory at Yorktown. And they immediately processed en masse to a church in Philadelphia to give thanks. That's what our founders did in 1781 when they heard the victory. The founders left the hall that they were meeting in processed together to a church to give thanks. That's the founding of our country.

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RODDA: All right. These stories of all the founders going en masse to church are not real. These are not true.

CREWS: May I speak, Chris? I did not interrupt you. It's a very small minority of those who come from a faith tradition that find saying "So help me God offensive. That's a very small minority.

RODDA: Rights do not depend on majority or minority in this country. Rights depend based on the constitution. And the constitution says no religious tests, having to swear an oath to God for someone who finds that wrong according to their religious beliefs --

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PAUL: Ok. I'm sorry -- I'm so sorry I have run out of time. I know that this is a debate that we can talk for a long time about. But Ron Crews and Chris Rodda we appreciate both of you being here with us. Thank you.

CREWS: Thank you.

PAUL: We'll be back right after the break.

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MARQUEZ: Well if it's Sunday it's got to be "STATE OF THE UNION". It's straight ahead at the top of the hour. Candy Crowley is putting the final touches on today's (inaudible) like a fine, beautiful cake.

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN HOST: Exactly.

MARQUEZ: Candy -- what are we going to be talking about?

CROWLEY: Well, all kinds of things. We're first going to talk to Mike Rogers. As you know, he is the chairman of the house select committee on intelligence -- what with all these friends and allies abroad, finding out that we're listening in on their phone calls, et cetera. We thought it would be a good time to check in with him to ask him whether he thinks this is all necessary. And what the fallout is from it.

But we're also going to talk about the President's healthcare law. They're still struggling on Web site. We want to go a little bit beyond the signup problems and say, "Ok, let's say we get beyond this. How is the relationship between doctor and patient going to change? What's happening to medical service as we know it?"

And for that, we brought in a Congressman John Fleming. He is also a doctor. He's from Louisiana and a Republican.

And Ezekiel Emanuel -- you may recognize that last name. He is brother of the mayor of Chicago. But more than that, he helped put together the Obamacare outline when he worked for the Obama administration. So we want to get to the two of them -- he is also a doctor -- to talk about the patient and the doctor and how that's going to change.

So that's what we're going to have.

MARQUEZ: A packed show, Candy Crowley. Keeping us honest. Keeping them honest there in Washington D.C. Thank you very much.

CROWLEY: Thanks Miguel.

MARQUEZ: Stay here for "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley. It starts at the top of the hour 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has been taking a lot of heat for her role in the Obamacare Web site fiasco.

PAUL: Not only are Republicans calling for her to be fired, well "Saturday Night Live" is jumping in on the action. They kind of give us a take on the botched rollout with her. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, tonight I have a number of friendly tips to help you deal with those technical problems. For example, have you tried restarting your computer? Sometimes it helps to turn the computer off and then turn it back on. We don't know why. It just does

If our Web site still isn't loading properly, we're probably just overloaded with traffic. Millions of Americans are visiting healthcare.gov which is great news. Unfortunately the site was only designed to handle six users at a time. So if you're in a rush, consider using our low res Web site with simpler fonts and graphics.

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MARQUEZ: There you go. Absolutely brutal.

PAUL: She cracks me up.

MARQUEZ: "U Want Doctor".

PAUL: Yes.

MARQUEZ: Next on NEW DAY, it's been almost a year since Superstorm Sandy slammed the East Coast.

PAUL: But why is it that some rebound better and faster after adversity than others? We're looking at the science behind resiliency.

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MARQUEZ: Well, this Tuesday marks the one-year anniversary of Superstorm Sandy.

PAUL: After crashing through the Caribbean, the powerful storm made landfall, remember, in southern New Jersey. The destruction can still be seen and felt along the East Coast.

MARQUEZ: Sandy killed 117 people in the U.S. alone and caused property damage in the billions of dollars. PAUL: But just how and why do some people seem to bounce back from this kind of adversity say better than others? CNN correspondent Alexandra Field has more on the science behind resiliency.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I waited a year.

ALEXANDRA FIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A lot can happen in a year. In good times Madelaine Chocolate Factory churns out 20 millions pounds of chocolate. Last year there was none.

JORGE FARBER, OWNER, MADELAINE CHOCOLATE FACTORY: UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The place was a war zone. Everything was destroyed.

FIELD: How high did the water come up?

FARBER: The water probably maybe about 40 some inches high.

FIELD: The spilled chocolate was the least of the problem. When Superstorm Sandy laid waste to the Rockaways largest employer, all 450 workers lost their jobs and some lost homes.

Was there part of you that said let's just turn the lights off and walk away?

FARBER: More than once.

FIELD: The power never came back on at Allie Hagan's (ph) place.

ALLIE HAGAN, BREEZY POINT RESIDENT: We had a beautiful front deck.

FIELD: Her house in Breezy Point withstood the storm but it burned in the fire that torched her neighborhood after it seemed the worst had past.

HAGAN: I know. I know. I know. It's hard.

FIELD: Hagan hopes that in another year she'll be back here. There's a word for people like her.

DR. DENNIS CHARNEY, AUTHOR, "RESILIENCE": It's one of those things that if you meet somebody who is resilient, you kind of know it.

FIELD: For more than 20 years, Dr. Dennis Charney has been studying the science behind resilience. In his book co-authored with Dr. Stephen Southwick, they tackle the question "why is it that some people seem to naturally bend without breaking?"

Charney says it's partially genetic. But we can all learn to adopt traits that would make us more resilient like optimism and altruism.

CHARNEY: People who are altruistic and give back to others, that helps them in their own recovery.

FIELD: Consider the survivors of 9/11 or Hurricane Katrina, those who put others first. Now consider the faces of Superstorm Sandy.

FARBER: Many of these employees have been with us for 10, 20, 30 years.

FIELD: Knowing people were counting on him gave Jorge Farber the steam to get up and get half of his chocolate factory back open. After 12 months, 125 workers are already back on the job.

FARBER: It's a shock initially. And everything goes through your mind. Can you build it up? What's going to happen? What happens to the employees?

FIELD: All right. So this would --

For Allie Hagan it was about her neighbors. She helped organize a support group of sorts to rebuild together.

HAGAN: Oh, my goodness. We've had, you know, 50, 60 people. We have e-mail chains. We're talking to each other all the time.

FIELD: Charney says their studies prove role models and support systems increase the odds of weathering any of life's storms.

CHARNEY: You're working together as a team to overcome a community tragedy or city tragedy. It makes it a lot easier.

FIELD: Other houses are going up faster than hers but a lot has happened this year. Seeing the progress helps her keep her promise.

HAGAN: We'll be home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When?

HAGAN: We don't know yet.

FIELD: Alexandra Field, CNN, New York.

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PAUL: Thank you to Alexandra Field there. You know, the one thing I think Sandy did do, it really showed us the power of people. You know, people do come together and they do it for a good reason and help each other out. You can make things happen.

MARQUEZ: And any of these disasters that I've covered fires, for instance, where people lose everything in an instant and they recover.

PAUL: It's amazing. All right. Go make some great memories today.