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Lou Reed Dies at 71; Gareth Bale Criticized After Poor Performance Against Barcelona; Car Drives Through Barricades At Forbidden City; Powerful Storm Leaves 200,000 Without Power In England; Germans "Disappointed" After Latest Round Of NSA Allegations

Aired October 28, 2013 - 15:00   ET


BECKY ANDERSON, HOST: With further claims of U.S. spying surfacing across Europe, the White House insists President Obama didn't know.

Well, as German magazine Der Speigel soaks the scandal, we speak to the correspondent at the heart of these latest German revelations.

Also this hour...


SASHKA RUSEVA, MOTHER (through translator): She told me I wanted she would take care of my baby and that I could come back and collect her later.


ANDERSON: As Maria's biological mother speaks out, we look out at the trauma the little girl faces after being taken from the only parents that she's known.

Plus, a rock icon and artist and a music pioneer, a look back at the life of Lou Reed.

ANNOUNCER: Live from CNN London, this is Connect the World with Becky Anderson.

ANDERSON: Well, despite White House efforts at damage control new revelations are keeping a spying scandal in the headlines today. We'll have a live report from Washington in just a moment. First, though, the latest developments as we know them in Madrid.

Spanish officials summoned the U.S. ambassador to explain a stunning new report. The newspaper El Mundo says that the NSA tracked more than 60 million phone calls in Spain in a single month.

Well, outrage also growing in Berlin. The German parliament is planning a special session to discuss the impact of NSA surveillance, including the alleged tapping of Angela Merkel's cellphone long before she became chancellor.

And in Washington, the Wall Street Journal reports U.S. President Barack Obama was told about the NSA surveillance program a few months ago and that's when he ordered a halt to some of the spying.

And White House spokesman says President Obama has ordered a sweeping review.


JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Our review is looking across the board at our intelligence gathering to ensure that as we gather intelligence we are properly accounting for both the security of our citizens and our allies and the privacy concerns shared by Americans and citizens around the world.

We also need to ensure that our intelligence resources are most effectively supporting our foreign policy and national security objectives that we are more effectively weighing the risks and rewards of our activities. And that includes ensuring that we are focused above all on threats to the American people.


ANDERSON: Well, let's get more reaction, shall we, from Washington now. We're joined by our senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta.

International leaders, Jim, say they are outraged. And the Obama administration says that it is investigating. The big question is, are U.S. President Barack Obama's hands clean in all of this?

JIM ACOSTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, you do have the Wall Street Journal reporting that the president was unaware of all of this. But it is also true that the White House is now saying that the president has ordered a review of these surveillance programs and is essentially suggesting that when it comes to Angela Merkel, the Germany chancellor, that that spying or surveillance or whatever you want to call it, monitoring, is not going on right now and will not be going on in the future, leaving open the possibility, Becky, of course, that it has been going on in the past and suggesting that perhaps some of this stopped when this review got underway earlier this year.

And the White House did say that they should get the results of that review by the end of the year. But no question, the White House, this administration is starting to change and curtail some of these programs and policies while also making the point that some of these policies and programs are in place because of September 11, because of the threat of terrorism around the world. And sort of making the case, Becky, that it's not only the United States that's being protected by these programs, it's the allies of the United States around the world.

But when I asked Jay Carney at the White House press briefing earlier today was the president making an accurate statement when he said back in September that that United States is not listening in on the phone calls of people in the United States and around the world. Here's what Jay Carney had to say about the president's statement back in September when he said just that. Here's what he had to say.


ACOSTA: Back in September in Stockholm, the president said I can give assurances to the publics in Europe and around the world that we're not going around snooping at people's emails or listening to their phone calls. Presumably that would include the German chancellor. Is that statement still operative?

CARNEY: Jim, what the president said was true. And what I can tell you is what I've just said when it comes to the questions about communications involving Chancellor Merkel. The fact that we do not and will not monitor those communications. And the broader fact that we are engaged in a review that will look at that issue and other issues through the lens of making sure that we are focused on using the tools available to us to gather intelligence that we need, not just gather intelligence because we can.

ACOSTA: So again you can take from those comments, and they're pretty dense, Becky, you have to parse through them, really get at what may be going on here when Jay Carney says that they're not going on currently that they will not be going on in the future. Of course as I said earlier, he's not ruling out that they might have gone on in the past and that the president was speaking accurately at that point.

But no question, the way the White House is communicating about this publicly is not going to reassure leaders around the world while, although they are saying, Becky -- and finally I'll just mention this, that this administration believes very strongly that they should be reaching out to people around he world to make sure that people aren't uncomfortable with these programs as they stand right now and they say that those efforts will continue, Becky.

ANDERSON: All right, Jim, thank you for that.

So Monday it was Madrid's turn to be cross. At the weekend, new details surfaced over the alleged spying on Angela Merkel's cellphone. Der Spiegel reports that the U.S. began tracking her phone back in 2002, three years before she even became chancellor.

It also says U.S. diplomats have used their embassy in Berlin to monitor government communications, calling it a nest of espionage.

Well, Germany's interior minister said there could be consequences.


HANS-PETER FRIEDRICH, GERMAN INTERIOR MINISTER (through translator): We will first of all try to clarify the entire situation, especially how the spying occurred and what happened technically. The question also arose whether it came from the embassy. If we find the culprits and if we can identify them, they must live with the legal consequences. And if they are diplomats, they must leave the country. We will see.


ANDERSON: Well, a reporter who helped uncover the spying story is joining us now live. Der Spiegel's senior correspondent Holger Stark is currently in Washington.

So we thank you for joining us tonight.

Your magazine started reporting these leaks from Snowden's archives earlier this year. How did you get hold of this information. How often is material released, because you got behind some of these revelations about the nest of espionage and Angela Merkel's cellphone just this weekend in the magazine.

HOLGER STARK, DER SPIEGEL SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: Well, Becky, there is so much information in it that it's really hard to bring it just on one point. We are working with that material constantly since a couple of months now. We've revealed the spying on the Mexican president last week. We wrote about plugging box into the missions of the European Union, and now we found out that there is a document printout of an internal NSA database, obviously beginning in 2002, which contains Angela Merkel's cellphone. It's her private cellphone which she is using for the internal communication with her party affiliates. And this entry was obviously still active in early 2013. So she has been monitored, she has been targeted for almost a...

ANDERSON: All right, you're reporting that in fact her phone was being monitored until just a few weeks before Obama's visit to Berlin in June of 2013. What you don't report is what sort of information the spy agency was gather? Were her conversations, for example, recorded or is this the gather of what we learned to know is metadata.

You also don't confirm whether this spying was authorized by the top. So what more can you tell us at this point?

STARK: Well, we been shy on commenting on those points, because we obviously can't confirm that for sure. And the only thing we know for sure is that this entry shows her as an active target which means there is a specific special unit, it's a secret unit called the special collection services in the NSA, which is responsible for the monitoring which is responsible for the targeting. Usually this means that they are targeting everything which includes phonecalls, which includes text messages but also movements of the cellphone. But we don't know that for sure. And we only want to report about things that are confirmed...

ANDERSON: Working, you say, out of...

STARK: This is still something open.

ANDERSON: OK. Working, you say, out of the Berlin U.S. embassy.

STARK: Yes. This is a secret unit and the SCS operating in foreign overseas posts of the U.S. embassies, usually sometimes also the consulate. Those are clandestine NSA and CIA officers there, so more than a dozen of those.

They are not officially registered, not officially called in as spies. They are working on the diplomatic cover and they have the highest, best developed technical equipment. They can monitor phone calls, but they can also intercept wi-fi conversations. And they're in the embassy just a mile away from the headquarter of the (inaudible).

ANDERSON: And your interior minister today saying that they will be thrown out of the country if deemed to be spies.

All right, so you (inaudible) response from the German government for the work that you're doing.

The U.S. seems somewhat bemused that the -- at the shock of all of this. You describe German intelligence in your reporting this weekend as, and I quote, deeply unsettled by the revelations. Are you sure these alleged actions by U.S. diplomats are as shocking to the German authorities as they would lead us to believe?

STARK: Well, when we first reported in July about alleged spying of the NSA in Germany, the reactions of the German government have been very hesitating. They wouldn't condemn the NSA. They wouldn't condemn Obama. They were looking for some close report. And they didn't react harshly.

So when we revealed now that obviously it was the chancellor herself whose phone has been tapped, has been targeted, it's a deep (inaudible) who now felt into the opposite, especially the conservatives who are reigning power in Berlin.

They feel like close allies, close friends of the United States. And now it turns out that it's the opposite. It turns out that even the German chancellor is not to do.

A personal like Friedrich who you just had on air, he's so disappointed. It's a huge damage.

ANDERSON: Holger, as a consequence of the spying scandal that you have reported, the German agencies you say want to beef up their capabilities, that's as it was written in Der Spiegel this weekend. Can you see the Germans cranking up their snooping on the U.S. And indeed have you uncovered to date any intelligence that suggests that Germans are indeed spying on U.S. politicians even the president himself?

STARK: This is one of the points where the Germans are so disappointed right now. There's an official order not to spy on any American, not on American politicians, but also not on American citizens. America is just taboo for German intelligence agencies...

ANDERSON: And you buy that, do you?

STARK: be friends and -- well, I'm doing research in this field since 20 years and I have no indication that it's the other way around.

We are looking for Russia. We are looking for China. We also look for Syria and Iran, but we never looked to the United States. This is one of the reasons why our intelligence agencies are so surprised right now. They do not know much about the activities of the NSA.

ANDERSON: Holger, it's a pleasure to speak to you. I know as of the end of last week, you report that Merkel still didn't want to give up using her old cellphone number. Is she still using it, yes or no, briefly?

STARK: Yes, it's still active.

ANDERSON: Thank you.

Holger out of Washington for us tonight.

The senior correspondent in Der Spiegel Holger Stark for you.

Well, earlier, CNN's Christiane Amanpour spoke to Glenn Greenwald, the journalist at the center of Snodwn's archives, as it were. This is how he reacted to U.S. government claims that the NSA surveillance program is mainly about targeting terrorists.


GLENN GREENWALD, ACTIVIST: None of this has anything to do with terrorism.

Is Angela Merkel a terrorist? Are 60 or 70 million Spanish and French citizens terrorists? Are there terrorists at Petrobras? This is clearly about political power and economic espionage.


GREENWALD: And the claim that this is all about terrorism is seen around the world as what it is, which is pure deceit.


ANDERSON: And you can watch the full interview with Glenn Greenwald tonight on Amanpour 10:00 in London, 11:00 in Berlin. That is straight after this show.

Connect the World. Still to come, the largest storm in years hits Britain, leaving a path of destruction in its wake. We'll be finding out the extent of the damage after this.

The car accident has left several dead in one of the biggest tourist attractions in China. A report for you on a Tienanmen Square crash from Beijing.

And after Real Madrid versus Barcelona, the Spanish media are seething because of one man called Gareth Bale. He's a Welshman. We'll find out why.


ANDERSON: Your'ee watching CNN. This is Connect the World. I'm Becky Anderson. Some of the other stories making headlines for you tonight. A fierce Atlantic storm moving throughout Europe hit the UK hard on Monday. Winds of nearly 160 kilometers an hour swept England's south coast. Trees were down, power is out and travel severely disrupted. Atika Shubert has more.


ATIKA SHUBERT, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It was called St. Jude's Storm, the patron saint of lost causes whose feast day also landed on Monday alongside one of the biggest storms the UK had seen in decades. And dark it was for more than 200,000 homes that were left without power for several hours.

Hurricane force winds with gusts of up to 99 miles and hour blew trees down across powerlines, fallen trees also blocked roads.

(on camera): So this is Brighton right on the south coast of England. And we're here now at the peak of the storm. Maximum wind speeds of about 80 miles per hour. And the rain just sweeping across now. You can see it's just about picking me off my feet.

(voice-over): But by mid-morning the worst of the storm had blown over, allaying fears of widespread destruction.

TANYA JONES, CHIEF INSPECTOR, SUSSEX POLICE: It was really busy with the Sussex Police and our partner agencies. We had approximately 150 calls around trees that fall over onto the road.

I think a lot of people made a lot of effort overnight to kind of put everything away and tie it all down.

SHUBERT: The storm still proved deadly, however. In Kent, a tree crashed into a house killing a 17-year-old sleeping inside.

Off the Sussex coast, helicopters search for the body of a 14-year-old boy swept out to sea. Thousands were affected by train delays across the south of the country and more than 100 flights were canceled at London's Healthrow Airport.

But like St. Jude persevering in adversity, may more simply hunkered down and patiently waited for the storm to pass. Atika Shubert, CNN, Brighton, England.


ANDERSON: Well, the storm is moving across northern Europe right now. Let's cross to Tom Sater who is at the world weather center with more.

And Tom, I was driving in this about 1:00 last night, in the morning, it was pretty hair raising stuff. But not as bad as some people had thought it might be. It wasn't the worst-case scenario.

It's moved away from the UK. Now what's its status?

TOM SATER, CNN WEATHER CORRESONDENT: Right now it's southern Sweden. I think in about four or five hours it'll be in the Baltic Sea. But you're absolutely right it's not a historic storm, although for those family that lost loved ones obviously it is. No one wants to see that.

But this is all about being a wind maker.

Notice the large cold front. I mean the center of the storm is up of course in Scandinavia, but back behind it see how patchy the cloud cover is, it's cooler air as we want for the next storm system. Nothing quite like this.

When you have a fast moving storm and a storm that's producing mainly winds, you put those two factors together and the damage is much greater.

Isle of White, 150 kilometer per hour winds. Hurricane force is 120. So you have 137 in Copenhagen. Just two hours ago, they were at 119.

And even into Belgium -- and we had problem into France and Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, a lot of wind damage.

And unfortunately, all of the fatalities really had to do with winds: winds downing trees, winds on homes, power lines on automobiles.

The center of the storm right about here. So it's quickly moving to the northeast. In fact, Becky, as you mentioned they were driving in at 1:00 right around just before the midnight hour it was the southwest, quickly moving off toward the northeast. And by noon it was in the North Sea.

Still a few wind gusts to report. And look at Copenhagen, 80 kilometers per hour. We will still see a few gusts possibly approach maybe that 100 mark, but it quickly moves out. Things will get better. It's going to take some time to clear up.

It's going to take more time, I think, besides cleaning up the trees that are on the rail systems and the roads to possibly catch up with all the delays and the cancellations.

So our midday earlier in the day into this evening we've had some delays, but it's going to take another 24 hours, Becky, to see everyone get on the flights that we want to get on.

You can even through Hamburg in here as well, a number of flights. But what a storm. Again, not something we see every year. If this same storm would have happened maybe, say, the end of November into December, we wouldn't have had a problem as much because of all the leaves would have been gone from the trees, Becky.

What a wind maker.

ANDERSON: Yes. And it's extremely slippery outside I've got to say.

All right, Tom, thank you for that.

Allegations of phone hacking also taking center stage in London as the trial of two former British tabloid editors got underway on Monday. Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson are accused of conspiring to intercept voicemail of newsmakers while the Rupert Murdock owned tabloid, the News of the World. Both denied those charges.

Well, the allegations shook the British press and eventually forced Rupert Murdoch's the News of the World to close, bringing down one of the most popular newspapers in the UK.

Well, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons says security concerns have prevented inspectors from visiting two weapons sites in Syria. Now the OPCW is on a mission to destroy Syria's chemical arsenal by the middle of 2014. The group says it's on track overall to meet that goal.

The doctor of convicted of the involuntary manslaughter of Michael Jackson has been released. Conrad Murray was originally sentenced to four years of jail time for his part in the death of the pop icon, but a feature of California law led to his release after serving less than two.

His lawyer has said that Murray will soon try to get his medical license reinstated.

Well, a tragic scene in China's capital on Monday. Five people died after a Jeep drove into a crowd and caught fire in Beijing's Tienanmen Square. Police investigating what caused the crashed. There is speculation online, it might have been some sort of protest from Beijing.

David McKenzie sent us this drive by report.


DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: We're going to get out and try and film. We'll almost certainly be detained.

(voice-over): The chief symbol of Communist Party power in lock down. At noon Monday, a Jeep plowed into throngs of tourists and caught fire, say police. The driver and two passengers killed, at least two tourists dead and dozens injured.

(on camera): There's a heavy police presence here. There normally is. But right now it's clearly escalated. Apparently this car drove out from this road, down this way, crashed through a barricade outside the entrance to the Forbidden City opposite Tienanmen Square. This area is possibly one of the most sensitive in China. And right now, if I look, you can see there are no tourists here in this area. Normally, it's absolutely jammed packed.

(voice-over): Tienanmen Square itself eerily quiet. Tourists and onlookers kept out.

It's still not clear whether it's a horrible accident or a political statement, but authorities aren't taking any chances.

David McKenzie, CNN, Beijing.


ANDERSON: Well, live from London, this is Connect the World. Coming up for you, the biological mother of Maria, the young girl found living with a Roma couple in Greece tells CNN how she gave her baby away.

And how the queen of tennis is celebrating the important win to cap off an incredible year. That and much more after this.


ANDERSON: Always Connect the World live from London. I'm Becky Anderson.

There's been no honeymoon period in Spain for footballer Gareth Bale. Since his near world record transfer to Real Madrid less than two months ago after he moved from Tottenham newspapers in Spain have described him as irrelevant after his performance in Saturday's Clasico defeat to Barcelona.

Let's bring up Don Riddell who is at CNN Center on this story.

It's pretty hard to sympathize with somebody who earns something like a half a million dollars a week. But you've got to feel for Gareth Bale. He's in a really big rush, isn't he, to make a big impact at Real. And he's just off target. Why?

DON RIDDELL, CNN SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: Well, yeah, he was off target a couple of times against Barcelona. They started him off at center forward. That didn't work for 20 minutes so then they moved him onto the right-wing and he was taken off after about an hour.

He has really struggled to make an impact. And of course when you go and spent $134 million on a player the fans at least expect you to make an immediate impact. And he's been struggling with injuries all season. He really hasn't made much of an impact for Real Madrid in the last couple of months. And now of course the questions are being asked.

The media, it would seem, has turned on him. It was interesting to note that it was a Barcelona newspaper that described him as irrelevant. Of course you wouldn't expect them to be complimentary. But the Madrid based newspapers are now also being very critical. And they're calling into question some of the decisions he made earlier in the season which may have compounded his injury problems.

You will remember, Becky, that he stopped training with Spurs while this deal was going through. Then when he joined Madrid, and while he was injured, he then rejoined up with the Wales national team for some of their Wales qualifiers. And so some of the critics are now saying, you know, maybe he hasn't done himself any favors. Maybe he should have just paid a bit more attention to his fitness and then he wouldn't have had these problems.

But there's no doubt that he's struggling to make a mark right now.

ANDERSON: Yeah, interesting. He used to loiter around the box and make this little sharp run down the right at Tottenham, but it didn't matter so much because he was sort of so much better than most of the other players on the pitch. He always impressed. Problem is, he'd got a lot of impressive colleagues there.

Just saw a picture of him with Ronaldo. I want to move on to the tennis. But just to go back to Bale for a moment. The difference between him and Ronaldo was that Ronaldo arrived at Real and I think I'm right in saying he just started making a very big impact very quickly, didn't he? He's got that sort of arrogance. So he didn't hang around at all.

RIDDELL: Yeah. Well, you know, he arrived at Real Madrid as a guy that had already won everything there was to win. And he had already been the world player of the year. Bale didn't have that.

I think one of the reasons Bale is struggling, perhaps, is there is a big difference between the Permier League and La Liga in Spain. Fabregas, Cesc Fabregas, the Barcelona midfielder actually pointed this out. He said, you know, you get a lot more space to play in the Permier League whereas when you get the ball in Spain you're immediately surrounded by a lot of other players. It's a lot harder to make the ball work for you in Spain. And that's something that Bale is going to have to get used to.

But Madrid is still trying to figure out their tactics. They're still trying to figure out how they're going to play Ronaldo and Bale together. And of course and he's injured as well. And of course Barcelona are very good. And you really are under the microscope when you play in the Clasico and you don't play well. And it hasn't helped Madrid and it hasn't helped Bale that a player who cost pretty much half what they spent on him, Neymar, has been excellent for Barcelona. And he ran the show in the Clasico. And of course that doesn't look good for Madrid and Bale.



And when you sky a couple of balls like he did at the weekend, I'm sure even if you're earning half a million a week you probably go in feeling a little bit depressed.

All right, listen, Serena Williams capping off one of the most remarkable years in the history of tennis. And I'm not just talking women's tennis here, across the board. Just tell us what she did at the weekend.

RIDDELL: Well, you know, she's been phenomenal. Actually she wasn't in the best form over the weekend, but she did win the WTA championships in Istanbul. She beat Li Na in the final in three sets, that meant she retained the title, it meant she ended the season with 11 titles. And her record for the years was quite staggering, 78 only four defeats. So she won two more majors in 2013, the French Open and the U.S. Open. Statistically it's the ninth best season in women's tennis.

It's probably not her best season, given that she once held all four majors at the same time, when they called that a Serena Slam a decade ago. But still, a very, very good season.

And I'm just going to glance down at my notes, because she one $12.4 million in 2013, only Novak Djokovic has earned more in a single tennis season than that. So a pretty successful year for Serena Williams.

ANDERSON: Yeah, good stuff.

All right, thank you very much indeed. Sir, always a pleasure. Don Riddell at CNN Center.

The latest world news headlines are ahead for you.

Plus, the Bulgarian mother of 10 wants her child back. What exactly happened when she gave Maria away? CNN -- or she tells CNN her side of the story.

He rocked, he rolled and now he is being remembered. A look back on the life of legendary rocker Lou Reed.

That's Connect the World. We're taking a short break. Back after this.


ANDERSON: This is CONNECT THE WORLD, the top stories for you this hour. The US ambassador to Spain met with government officials in Madrid after being summoned to address allegations of US spying. That meeting came just hours after a report in "El Mundo" which said the US National Security Agency tracked more than 60 million phone calls in Spain in a single month.

A powerful storm is pushing further away from the UK after pummeling the area with fierce wind and heavy rain. At least two storm-related deaths were confirmed in England. Parts of France, Belgium, and the Netherlands were also affected by the storm.

The international organization charged with dismantling Syria's chemical weapons says security concerns prevented its inspectors from visiting two suspected weapons sites. But the OPCW maintains it's still on track to remove Syria's chemical arsenal by the middle of 2014.

Five people were killed and 38 others were injured in China's Tiananmen Square on Monday after a car plowed into a crowd of tourists at the entrance of the Forbidden City. Authorities are looking into whether the crash was an accident or intentional.

The biological mother of Maria, the Roma girl at the center of a legal battle in Greece, has told CNN she wants her daughter back. Saska Ruseva insists she never sold her child and that she simply trusted another woman to care for her. Let's kick off this part of the show with Karl Penhaul, who has her side of the story.


KARL PENHAUL, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A long way from the tumble-down village she calls home. A long way, too, from little Maria, the daughter Saska Ruseva left behind in Greece age just seven months old because she says she was too poor to look after her.

SASKA RUSEVA, MARIA'S MOTHER (through translator): I kissed her. I was crying. I was worried. My heart was breaking.

PENHAUL: Ruseva talked to CNN at a TV studio in the Bulgarian capital. This Greek Roma couple is in custody, charged with kidnapping Maria. I asked Ruseva how she met the accused man, Christos Salas.

RUSEVA (through translator): Who is Christos?

PENHAUL: The defense lawyer for the Greek couple told CNN her clients say Ruseva handed over Maria to them directly, but Ruseva says she never met the Greek couple. She says she entrusted her baby to a different woman, who hired her to harvest oranges near the Greek town of Patras.

RUSEVA (through translator): A woman came to me and says she was Bulgarian, not Greek. She told me if I wanted, she would take care of my baby and that I could come back and collect her later. She gave me her phone number, and when we got back in Bulgaria, we telephoned her. We tried to call, but the phone was switched off.

We worked for that woman for three or four days. We earned money to come back home, but I didn't receive any money from that woman for my baby.

PENHAUL: That was 2009. Ruseva remembers few details about the woman who took in Maria.

RUSEVA (through translator): I have no clue what her name was. I didn't ask and she did not say. The woman looked good. Her skin was not too pale, a bit like us. She was blonde with dyed blonde hair.

PENHAUL: Bulgarian police are investigating Ruseva and husband Atanas on suspicion they sold Maria for illegal adoption.

RUSEVA (through translator): People say I have received 400 lev, but how could I receive money? They keep saying that on TV. Do you think that I would sell my child for 400 lev? I'd like to build a house. I don't have a proper house or a proper bed. Nothing. I didn't receive anything. I'm so poor.

PENHAUL: Ruseva says Maria was born in a hospital in the town of Lamia.

RUSEVA (through translator): I didn't know the language. The doctor said something like "Go away," and I grabbed the baby and got out. I took care of her for seven months. How could I possibly sell her after taking care of her after seven months?

PENHAUL: Ruseva says she always intended to go back to Greece and bring Maria home to Bulgaria.

RUSEVA (through translator): I told that woman I would come back and take my child with me. I loved that baby, but I could not go back and collect her because then I got pregnant again with this one, and then with that one.

PENHAUL: Ruseva has ten children. They live in this one-bedroom mud- brick house. Yet Ruseva wants Maria back. She has a message for the unidentified woman at the orange farm who she says promised to care for Maria.

RUSEVA (through translator): I would tell that woman that I want my child back. When did I sell it to you? You were the one that told me you had no children of your own and that you would take care of my child. When did I sell her? When did you give me money? When will I collect that?

PENHAUL: Karl Penhaul, CNN, Sofia, Bulgaria.


ANDERSON: Well, Maria was put under the care of an Athens-based charity devoted to helping missing and exploited kids after she was taken away from her Roma parents in Greece.

To help me examine what impact all of this could have had on her -- because do remember, there's a little five-to-six-year-old girl at the end of all of this -- I'm joined by psychologist Linda Papadopoulos. And just how traumatic do you think this whole episode has been for this little blonde girl called Maria?

LINDA PAPADOPOULOS, PSYCHOLOGIST: It will have been hugely traumatic. If you think about it, this idea of saving her, it's not just saving. In her perspective, from her point of view, it's taking her away from the only family she's ever known, from the only sense of security, from the only community.

And it's so multi-layered. So, it's not even as if she can speak the same language as the people that are taking care of her as these saviors. She speaks a very kind of specific dialect, and many times, when you speak to kids that have been trafficked, they still form attachments, regardless of the trauma they've gone through. So, it's a really difficult situation.

ANDERSON: We must be careful to not suggest what has happened with this little girl, although there have been many allegations doing the rounds, but at the moment, she is in the care of a charity while the case against her -- her parents carries on.

But this idea of her being with the charity -- it's not even the Greek authorities at this stage. You're getting these kids falling through the cracks who will be traumatized, one assumes, by what happens, and she's with a small NGO at this point.


ANDERSON: What do they do with her next?

PAPADOPOULOS: One would hope -- one of the biggest obstacles is going to be her going to be able to trust anyone. And again, we know that children that are separated from parents even though a divorce, who haven't seen parents for years, reconstituted families or bringing them back together, it's all about reestablishing trust.

Now, how are you going to do that with first of all, a five-year-old whose probably language skills aren't good. You don't have the ability to speak the same language. It's a completely different social structure. Because don't forget, this was a society within a society. So, it's not as if you've taken her from part of Greece to another.

And then, you're wanting to reintroduce her to a Bulgarian family. Again, different dialect, different cultural norms. It's going to be hugely hard, so this little charity's going to have a lot of work to do.

ANDERSON: Do you think she'll remember this? What's your experience of children at that age? We think she's around five to six years old.

PAPADOPOULOS: Well, from a research perspective, you look at it, she's going to be certainly old enough to have a recollection of this. So this is not going to be something that when she's in her teens it was so far back in her childhood.

Also at this point, the kids are very concrete. They're very black and white. So, she's not an 11 or 12-year-old where she's got more sense of abstract thinking, she'll think of things bigger. She knows now that the person I called Mommy and Daddy or brother and sister are nowhere to be found.

Have I done something wrong? When I'm separated, what does that mean? It means I've done something wrong. So the feelings of anger are going to be there, the feelings of confusion, and also how she's internalizing this. What did I do to cause this? And this is often a very big thing with children.

ANDERSON: When children for various reasons are taken away from their birth parents, there ofttimes questions about whether they would not be better off reunited if the circumstances change. Do you think she would be better off reunited with her birth parents?

PAPADOPOULOS: We don't know. And this is the thing, we don't know enough.


PAPADOPOULOS: She would certainly be very well off with a family that love her, gave her consistency, didn't move around. Now, it sounds from the little that I've read of both these cases, both the families move around a lot, there's inconsistency on both sides. We're not even certain how may children are within each family, whether -- how this exchange.

So, what this child now needs is consistency, needs to form a bond, and needs to know that this is not her fault. And it may sound very odd, but we find this time and time again, when something this extreme happens to children, they look inwards. What did I do wrong that I was taken away?

ANDERSON: Fascinating. We have to leave it there. We thank you very much, indeed. Taking a very short break, back after this. And when we do come back, tonight's the Art of Movement, and we'll be seeing what makes these miniature marvels do some pretty unexpected things. I shall leave you with that tease.


ANDERSON: They are the flying robots of the future, I'm told, but how do these tiny machines learn to operate on their own? Nick Glass finds out in this week's Art of Movement.


NICK GLASS, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): We are in the arena, the flying machine arena at Zurich ETH University in Switzerland and a quadcopter is about to show us what it can do. Can it zigzag through the poles all by itself? Practice -- or at least repetition -- makes perfect.


GLASS: Professor Raffaello D'Andrea runs a research project exploring robot movement in the air. Machine athleticism, he calls it.

D'ANDREA: We -- we always set our sights on creating things that have never been created before. It's like a triumph of humanity. Look what we can do, right? Look what we can make these inanimate things do. If we can do this, we can do anything.

GLASS: Since 2009, the arena has been a space where, as they say, flying robots live and learn. Learn, that is, to move through the air all by themselves without remote control. The quad can balance a pole, no problem.

GLASS (on camera): Not so easy for a human to balance. How does the machine do it?

D'ANDREA: Well, it's actually doing something that's very similar to what you're doing right now to balance. The first step is that it needs to watch what happens. The pendulum has a gray marker on top, and there are cameras up above that can see this marker and report this information back to the computer.

What you're doing is using your intuition on how you you expect this pendulum to move. What we use for the quadcopters, we develop a mathematical model of how this pendulum moves in conjunction with the quadcopter.

GLASS (voice-over): Those mathematical models are based on a series of algorithms that act as a language telling the robots what to do. The ones developed here are the most complex in the world, allowing the robots to perform gymnastic maneuvers never seen before, like throwing a pole, building a wall, or catching a ball.

D'ANDREA: Algorithms take information and they produce action in the context of machines. That's what algorithms are, it's rules. How do I take information input and convert it to actions so that the machine does something interesting.

GLASS: All this movement begins on the page: a pencil across a piece of graph paper writing out complex mathematical equations that translate to movement in the air.

D'ANDREA: And mathematics can be very elegant. When you come up with a really nice algorithm, the mathematics tend to be also very elegant. The two things go hand-in-hand. In fact, there's a strong correlation between watching these vehicles do something graceful and beautiful and how beautiful the mathematics is that achieves that.

Predictably, some of the arena stunts have gone viral on the internet. Playing catch is one of them. For this to work, the relevant algorithm has to make 50 different calculations every second: where the ball is going, how the quad should get there, how it should hit the ball back, and so on. All pretty complicated mathematical stuff. If only I could lob the ping- pong ball in the right place just occasionally.

D'ANDREA: I celebrate motion. I think it's a wonderful thing, whether it's humans to do it or machines that do it, or the mathematics that captures it. I just -- I love motion.

GLASS: In the arena in Zurich, it seems somehow both serious and playful, research project and playpen for the boys. Whoever thought that calculus, algebra, physics, control theory, and the like and algorithms could be this much fun?


ANDERSON: Well, he took a walk on the wild side and landed in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The life and legacy of rock icon Lou Reed up next.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm very sad. Extremely sad. He was a great writer and he -- musically, he knew where he came from.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He inspired David Bowie, and to me, David Bowie is one of the biggest. So maybe -- he must be about around -- yes -- among the ten or five biggest, I think.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's one of those guys that -- I haven't actually got into the music. I've never really got into the music, but obviously, Velvet Underground was a big thing, and it's influential.


ANDERSON: Well, he helped shape nearly 50 years of rock music. The world mourning the loss of legendary rock musician Lou Reed. The American passed away Sunday. He was 71.

He once said his goal was not just to make music, but to speak to the people the way Shakespeare did through literature. Nischelle Turner looks back on his life and his career.



NISCHELLE TURNER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): With classics like "Sweet Jane," Lou Reed influenced generations of rockers, often merging risque lyrics with droning guitars.

Born and raised in New York, Reed joined creative forces with Andy Warhol, who sponsored the Velvet Underground. "Rolling Stone" named the Underground's 1967 debut album the 13th greatest of all time.

LOU REED, MUSICIAN: I get personal satisfaction out of making things that don't exist. I follow passion, and that's the one rule I've lived by.

TURNER: The edgy Reed said he wanted to tell the stories of outsiders. As a solo artist, Reed's lyrics in "Take a Walk on the Wild Side" explored sex, drugs, and drag queens.


ANTHONY DECURTIS, CONTRIBUTING EDITOR, "ROLLING STONE" MAGAZINE: He saw himself as a literary figure as much as a musician, and I think he took that aspect of his work very seriously.

TURNER: Reed also delved into acting, playing an annoying record producer in Paul Simon's 1980 movie riff on the music business, "One Trick Pony."

LOU REED AS STEVE KUNELIAN, "ONE TRICK PONY": What do you think I am, just a knob-turner here? I made a couple of records myself. I know what I'm doing.

TURNER: Reed loved poetry, and legions of indie rockers hung on his every word. He celebrated independent streaks, as heard on "I Love You Suzanne."


TURNER: Reed had been frail for months after a liver transplant earlier this year. He died at his home in South Hampton, New York, at age 71.


ANDERSON: All right. Well, as one critic puts it, today's rockers stand in Lou Reed's shadow. Michaelangelo Matos writs for publications that range from "Spin" and "Rolling Stone" to "The Guardian."

In a special piece for our website, Matos charts the influence of Reed's music and talks about why one bandmate described Reed as the most difficult person to work with that he'd ever known. Find it all at

Well, some news just coming into CNN about the tech giant Apple. Its earnings are out, the latest earnings. The company posted quarterly revenue of $37.5 billion. That has beat Wall Street's forecast. Investors, though, still a bit worried about the company's profit outlook and its stock is down after that report.

We'll have much more on this, of course, on "Quest Means Business," what this means for Apple, which is trading around 16 on a P ratio, not bad, but not quite as good as some of the -- its competitors. Anyway, the Apple story tonight, unpeeled, as it were, with Richard, "Quest Means Business" after this show.

There's just over 100 days left before the Opening Ceremony of the Winter Olympics in the Russian city of Sochi. The Games have become a sort of rallying cause for gay rights activists around the world after Russia adopted a recent law banning what it calls gay propaganda.

But on Monday, Russian president Vladimir Putin tried to diffuse such criticism saying, I quote, "We're doing everything, both the organizers and our athletes and fans, so that participants and guests feel comfortable in Sochi regardless of nationality, race, or sexual orientation."

Organizers have been dealing with more tangible challenges as well as they scramble to get the city ready for the Games. Phil Black is reporting for you from Sochi tonight.


PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Sochi's Olympic bid had one fairly significant weakness: no existing sporting facilities. Organizers have tried to turn that into a strength by designing from scratch the ideal model for Olympic venues.

This is what they came up with: two clusters, one by the coast, one in the mountains, a new road, and rail line linking the two. Compact, efficient, no big travel times between venues.

BLACK (on camera): As the calendar hits the 100 day countdown mark, that design is basically a reality, while on the ground, things are still pretty rough, and there's a frenzy of landscaping, painting, taking care of the details, to get the place looking right.

The sports facilities have all been built and tested, but work on one big piece of infrastructure is letting the site down, and it's kind of important.

BLACK (voice-over): The Fisht Stadium, the stage for the Opening Ceremony, doesn't look like it's going to be ready soon. Sochi's unpredictable weather and the people directing the Opening Ceremony, have forced big changes on the design during construction. It was supposed to be open, with views of the sea on one side, mountains on the other. But it's now getting a roof.

Russia isn't a country known for its efficiency. Building all this on time will be a statement to the world. It's why President Vladimir Putin is taking such a personal interest.

Dmitry Grigoriev manages the speed skating arena. He says Putin's direct oversight has made a big difference.



GRIGORIEV: But it has, believe me.

BLACK (on camera): You're seeing things happen?


BLACK: Quickly, efficiently?


BLACK: Perhaps in a way that they wouldn't have happened otherwise?

GRIGORIEV: Yes. Yes, very much so.

BLACK (voice-over): Getting the venues ready isn't Sochi's only challenge. The whole city was run down, neglected, with little investment since the Soviet area. It's getting a major overhaul, which doesn't look like it could possibly be ready soon. The skyline is a mess of cranes and partially completed buildings, many of them much-needed hotels.

And then there's the traffic. Ask any local: it's often appalling. Sochi's mayor, Anatoly Pakhomov, is firmly on Team Putin. He says the president's hand is felt everywhere and Olympic investment generally has renewed the city in a way that wouldn't have been possible without the Games.

There are some unusual sights around this Olympic city, like this mysterious and growing military facility near the coastal venues. Security, always a big Olympic concern, is even more so here. Islamic militants fighting an insurgency not far from Sochi have sworn to disrupt the Games.

And on the naked, pre-winter slopes, you see these huge silver mounds. In this technically sub-tropical climate, snowfall can be patchy, so organizers are storing vast amounts of last season's snow just in case.

Russia is promising an Olympics unlike any the world has seen. So different is this city from previous hosts, so great the challenges, it would be difficult not to deliver on that promise.

Phil Black, CNN, Sochi.


ANDERSON: Well, just before we go tonight, our Parting Shots, and we take a leaf out of Lou Reed's book with a walk on the wild side.




ANDERSON: That song was Reed's only Top 40 hit, but he went on to win a Grammy award, and the group he co-founded, the Velvet Underground, was ranked one of the greatest of all-time by "Rolling Stone."

I'm Becky Anderson, that was CONNECT THE WORLD. We leave you with these images of a rock icon.