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Increased Threat from Meteors; Tech Royalty: Interview with Randi Zuckerberg; The Wrong Guy
Aired November 7, 2013 - 08:30 ET
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MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Wow, we remember that huge meteor captured by cameras as it slammed into Russia back in February. Two new reports say that the meteor disintegrated in the sky with over 30 times the force measured in the nuclear bomb blast that destroyed Hiroshima. One researcher says that if we don't want to go the way of the dinosaurs, this better serve as a wake-up call to us.
Here to talk about everything and all things space is the one, the only Neil deGrasse Tyson, astrophysicist and director of the Hayden Planetarium in New York. He's also going to talk about a very special show that is happening at the planetarium.
Can we talk about this? Because I'm freaking out!
NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON, ASTROPHYSICIST: You should freak out.
PEREIRA: OK. You told -- he told me already --
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Not what I was expecting you to say.
TYSON: You should freak out.
PEREIRA: A helmet's not going to help me and nor will all the hair spray in my hair. It's kind of the - the stars kind of clearly aligned for us because just last night on the West Coast, reports of something in the sky -- don't think UFO -- but they're thinking it might have been a meteor as well.
TYSON: Well, if you know what it is, then it's an IFO, it's an identified flying object.
PEREIRA: Ah, identified.
TYSON: It's that simple. So, you know, I read those reports from yesterday.
TYSON: Just keep in mind, the solar system is a shooting gallery. And here's earth going around the sun. And there's - there are debris trails left over by comets that have earth-crossing orbits. And this debris trail continues to orbit with the comet. And so as earth orbits the sun, depending on the time of year, it will plow through this debris trail. And we call those meteor showers. PEREIRA: Is it really a surprise then? I mean we shouldn't act so surprised at all.
TYSON: Well, it's not - not at all. And that's why the meteor showers reoccur at the same time each year. There's about a dozen of those, maybe three or four good ones. So in these first couple of weeks of November, there's some notable meteor showers. And you'd expect one of these -- there's the regular ones that just streak, and some are big enough they can get really blight and explode at the end of the trail. We call those bolides.
BOLDUAN: I like that name.
PEREIRA: Oh, I like that.
TYSON: A special word for those, yes.
BOLDUAN: What do you then make of, as we're talking about that wild meteor that hit in Russia, and it was huge.
TYSON: Oh. Oh, yes, that was (INAUDIBLE).
BOLDUAN: Knocking people off their feet. Shattering windows.
PEREIRA: Loud (ph).
BOLDUAN: What do you make then of this study that we could be in for more?
TYSON: Yes, so - so just to be clear, it's not the meteor that knocked people off their feet, it was the shock wave -
BOLDUAN: Can you explain that?
TYSON: Of it plowing through the atmosphere that did so.
BOLDUAN: OK. OK.
TYSON: So back in February of this year, 2013, a meteor maybe the size of this whole studio plowed-- and that's small -- it's big, but it's too small for us to figure out how to detect it in advance.
TYSON: So by the time this thing collides with earth, it's too late. So there -- it comes plowing through the atmosphere going 10 miles per second, which is fast-moving debris. And at that speed, it encounters the atmosphere, and it's as though it hits a brick wall if you're going that fast. You ever put your hand outside the window even going just 60 miles an hour?
PEREIRA: Yes, yes.
TYSON: You can't even hold your wrist straight. That's 60 miles an hour, the wind pressure against you. Now imagine coming into the atmosphere 10 miles per second. At that speed, it explodes, it disintegrates. Some pieces made it to the ground. Most of it vaporized in this huge explosion.
Now, so the explosion, you see that and everyone says, oh, I wonder what that was. They saw light coming through the window, right?
PEREIRA: Yes, yes, yes.
TYSON: So they all walked up to the window, then the blast wave hits them. That's why they all got cut by glass. They forgot their physics 101 that light travels faster than sound.
BOLDUAN: Or that I never learned when I was in that class.
CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: So is there anything we can do about this? Is there something out there that's coming to kill me? What - how exactly do I have to take --
BOLDUAN: No. No.
TYSON: You want to know if you're going to die?
CUOMO: That's exactly right.
BOLDUAN: Are we going to die?
CUOMO: Is this just how it is and if you did see a really big one coming, what would we do?
TYSON: Yes, if it's really big, we know where they are. We know where the big ones are, the ones that would render us extinct or possibly disrupt civilization as we know it. Disrupt transportation grids, communication grids and the like.
PEREIRA: Yes. Yes.
TYSON: So, fortunately, those are large enough to detect and they're rarer than the ones that fell over Russia.
PEREIRA: But there's not much we can do about it -
TYSON: Well -
CUOMO: Run away. Run away.
PEREIRA: (INAUDIBLE) something you can do?
TYSON: Well, we know how to deflect them.
CUOMO: Do we?
TYSON: We know the physics of how to deflect an asteroid. BOLDUAN: But you said we couldn't see that one.
TYSON: Well, no, not that one, but the bigger ones. That one, you know, it can really make a bad day in the city. But --
CUOMO: How do you deflect them?
TYSON: OK. So -
PEREIRA: A big old baseball bat.
TYSON: There's the Bruce Willis way, right -
CUOMO: That's exactly right.
TYSON: Where you go, you know, get some ragtag --
BOLDUAN: No nukes! No nukes! Isn't that from the -
PEREIRA: (INAUDIBLE) yes.
TYSON: So you can sort of blow it up. But here in America, we're really good at blowing stuff up, and we're less good at knowing where the pieces go afterwards.
PEREIRA: Again, instead (ph) of one thing, you've got all of the --
TYSON: It could - and then it's still a meteor stream that follows. So the sensible way, the kinder, gentler way is to sort of deflect it out of harm's way. And so if this cup is a - is the meteor -
TYSON: Out there that could harm us, we can send up a spacecraft that also has gravity, just like the meteor does, and they want to draw themselves towards each other. But you prevent that from happening by applying little retrorockets. And the act of doing so tugs the meteor out of harm's way into an orbit that does not intercept the earth.
PEREIRA: That should be a movie.
BOLDUAN: It's like - like -
TYSON: It's like a gravitational tractor beam.
BOLDUAN: It's like space diplomacy. You don't want have war with the meteor; you just want to nudge it away.
TYSON: Yes, you just kind of say, meteor, you know, you'll be around to -
PEREIRA: Meteor away. TYSON: For another day, but not - today's not --
PEREIRA: Not today, not today, my friend.
TYSON: Not today.
PEREIRA: Hey, you want to talk about what's happening at the Hayden Planetarium. It's called "Dark Universe." It's talking about two dark forces of nature.
TYSON: We wanted to call it dark force, but that was already taken.
PEREIRA: Dark matter and dark energy.
BOLDUAN: Probably (INAUDIBLE).
PEREIRA: Can you - can you give us the layman's (INAUDIBLE)?
TYSON: Yes. These are two - I love the images you have here.
TYSON: These are clips from our space show, just opened this past weekend. And those are super nova going off, stars exploding, ending their lives. And it's sort of a time lapse of what a galaxy would look like under those conditions. We use super nova to track the expansion rate of the universe. And when we do this, we find that there's a mysterious pressure in the vacuum of the universe, making us accelerate in our expansion. And we call that dark energy. We have no idea what's causing that. And then --
BOLDUAN: I was just going to say, I have no idea what you're talking about.
TYSON: And I have no idea what's causing it, so we're together here. And then there's another thing called dark matter -
TYSON: Which is most of the gravity in the universe has no known origin. We can account for some of it with stars, planets, galaxies, even black holes. We saw it. How much gravity is that? That's one- sixth of all the gravity we measure in the universe.
TYSON: We don't know where the rest of that's coming. We call that dark matter. You add both of those up, it's 96 percent of what is driving this universe. We are dumb, stupid, ignorant about what that is. And this show is, in a way, a celebration of that frontier. It's not a show of, here's what we know, walk away proud. It's here's what we still haven't figured out - PEREIRA: We have no idea, right.
TYSON: And we are perplexed. And so we want you to come away scratching your head, wondering about the future of discovery.
PEREIRA: You want to get your mind blown? Go to the Hayden Planetarium and join Neil deGrasse Tyson. It is such a delight to have you.
BOLDUAN: That's pretty (INAUDIBLE).
TYSON: Well, thanks -- thanks for having me.
PEREIRA: Please come back.
TYSON: Yes. And a helmet is not going to help you if an asteroid comes.
PEREIRA: I'm still going to get one.
BOLDUAN: Well, does the bat work?
TYSON: The bat?
BOLDUAN: The bat potentially.
PEREIRA: I had two good ideas, Neil, come on, give me that.
TYSON: Not even a bat.
CUOMO: I know what I'm doing. I'm finding Neil deGrasse Tyson, because I know he's going to put himself in the right position.
PEREIRA: Know where he is. Exactly.
CUOMO: If I come there and he's just kicking back having a glass of wine and shaking his head, then you know.
PEREIRA: Then we're cool.
TYSON: Then we're cool, right.
BOLDUAN: Stick with Neil. There's the moral of this story. Thanks so much, Neil.
TYSON: Thank you. Thanks for having me.
BOLDUAN: Great to see you. Thank you.
Coming up next on NEW DAY, how much online time is too much for your kids? I guess probably everyone has a different answer, but Randi Zuckerberg is here, and she says sometimes children need to disconnect. Don't we all? We're going to talk with her, next.
CUOMO: And he got the call from the vice president congratulating him for becoming the mayor of Boston. The only problem, wrong guy. We're going to talk to Marty Walsh coming up. I hope we got the right one.
BOLDUAN: She may be Silicon Valley royalty, but Randi Zuckerberg, older sister of Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, has written two -- not one but two new books dealing with the dangers of too much online time. "Dot Complicated: Untangling Our Wired Lives" and a companion book for the younger set, simply, "Dot." Zuckerberg is the former marketing director of Facebook and is now the founder and CEO of Zuckerberg Media. She's joining us now.
Just reading your bio makes me feel like I have not done much today. So I appreciate you coming here.
RANDI ZUCKERBERG, AUTHOR, "DOT COMPLICATED" AND "DOT": Oh, I like that Silicon Valley royalty. That's like kind of a fun tag line (INAUDIBLE).
BOLDUAN: You can take it. You can use it. Yes, I wrote it myself.
I want to ask you about the books, but also just in tech news today we have Twitter that's going to begin --
ZUCKERBERG: Huge tech news today.
BOLDUAN: Huge tech news today. It's going to begin trading. Your brother, the company you worked for, for many years, went through something very similar recently. Bumps and bruises that go along with it. What are the lessons learned from something big like this and going an IPO?
ZUCKERBERG: First of all, it's amazing to see all of these companies that I grew up with getting to this point. I write a lot in the book about the moment I recognized that Twitter was a real force on the scene and what that meant working inside Facebook. But I think, you know, for a lot of these folks and these company, they're building something big for the long term.
It's really easy to get caught up in the stock price and the fluctuations from moment to moment and have that affect the morale of what you're working on. So I would just remind everyone in Silicon Valley that there's still -- they're working on really big things that are much more long term than just day-to-day fluctuations with the stock.
BOLDUAN: So you know everyone's going to wonder, does Randi Zuckerberg think Twitter is a good investment today?
ZUCKERBERG: Gosh, you know, I need to go - go take a look at it and see where the market shakes out at the end of the day.
BOLDUAN: Smart investor.
ZUCKERBERG: But, I - you know, I'm -- I am really excited about Twitter and definitely following the progress very closely. BOLDUAN: One part -- there's a lot in this book in "Dot Complicated" that is really news you can use or, you know, really reader friendly. One part I thought was funny is that you say you were always asked by people these days, if you knew today what -- now what you -- if you knew then what you know now, would you do anything different? And I loved your answer, which is, I would have asked for more stock.
ZUCKERBERG: That's right. Well, it's funny. I mean hindsight's always 20/20, right, but it's funny people -
BOLDUAN: Yes. So you don't know.
BOLDUAN: Your brother was working out of a home in -
ZUCKERBERG: Of course. Ninety-nine percent of start-ups fail. And, you know, we - I had seen so many projects, so many brilliant people at Harvard that I'd worked with. What was to say that this one thing was going to hit? It was, you know, in some ways obviously the brilliance and the great products that the team built. But it was also the matter of being the right time, a receptive audience, some luck. And -- but it was exciting. So, yes, knowing what I know now, of course I definitely would have asked for more, actually (ph).
BOLDUAN: I was thinking, from my perspective, if my little sister, I would have been like, I always questioned, could my little sister really pull off something like this? I'm sure there's a little bit of sibling rivalry there, right?
ZUCKERBERG: Of course. I'm like, you're the same kid that's like stealing trucks for me.
BOLDUAN: Right. How could you be doing what?
So more about this book. You talk a lot in the book about - about the tech life -- tech/life balance you talk about.
BOLDUAN: It's an admirable goal, but is it realist to pull it off - to pull off?
ZUCKERBERG: But is it a real one? It's hard. I'm definitely not advocating a complete disconnect or complete unplug. That's not realistic for most of us who want to stay employed or stay connected to people.
ZUCKERBERG: But what I am thinking is that people -- we've reached this point where we just -- we feel like we need to be always on, always answering e-mails, 24/7 connected. And the pendulum needs to swing back a little bit to us reclaiming a bit of our own time so that we can be thoughtful and creative and be in the moment of our lives.
BOLDUAN: And what was it in your life that motivated you to write this book?
ZUCKERBERG: It was definitely having my son. I think, in Silicon Valley, people are very focused on right now. Let's disrupt what's going on right now. Let's innovate. Let's build. Let's do it quickly. Having my son, that was the first time that I actually started thinking about the future and started thinking about the things we're building right now, are they definitely making a better world for the future or are they complicating things for the future and how do we think about that in terms of society?
BOLDUAN: And you've mentioned your son. And I wonder what is your advice then to kids or parents with children? Because, unfortunately, I feel like every day there's another story about kids bullying kids online, some with very tragic endings. What is there - coming from the tech side of it, what's your advice to kids or parents?
ZUCKERBERG: So as a mom, it breaks my heart to see that. And I think, you know, obviously, bullying has been around since the dawn of -
BOLDUAN: The beginning.
ZUCKERBERG: --human kind. Of course the internet can exacerbate that a lot. So I always talk to parents about caution with sites with anonymity. Because I think when people can hide behind a screen name or an anonymous name, it's easier to just fire off that bullying message, that mean message when you're not accountable for what you're saying.
I also would always advise parents to be mindful of their own tech behavior in front of their children because it's really hard to tell your children, put down that device, stop playing video games when you're in your text messages all the time.
BOLDUAN: Like in anything, they learn by example, right.
ZUCKERBERG: Exactly. They learn by your example.
And finally, my advice to teenagers would be, you know, it's fun to document every moment of your lives, but occasionally just document it with your eyes and your mind. That's the best way to document a moment.
BOLDUAN: So at the end of the day after this long journey with these two books, do you think you've finally reached a tech/life balance? Is it possible?
ZUCKERBERG: You know, I think something I'm working on. I'm definitely much better at it now than I was a year ago when I started on this adventure. But I think it's always a work in progress. You always have to be very mindful and conscious of your own behavior when it comes to these devices.
BOLDUAN: There's no magic fix to trying to find it all.
ZUCKERBERG: That's right. BOLDUAN: "Dot Complicated" -- dot for, well maybe for more me. It's a great read. I read them yesterday. Great to see you Randi. Great to meet you --
ZUCKERBERG: Thank you so much.
BOLDUAN: Thank you so much for coming in.
ZUCKERBERG: Thanks for having me.
BOLDUAN: All right -- Chris.
CUOMO: All right. Coming up, Marty Walsh is not the new mayor of Boston. Well, not this Marty Walsh. So why did everyone from congressmen to the vice president call him? We're going to speak with him ourselves coming up. I hope we've got the right guy.
And we're holding out for a hero, and we didn't have to look far. The good stuff comes home -- straight ahead.
CUOMO: All right, everybody. It's time for "The Good Stuff". In today's edition, our very own Bruce Dunkins -- great name but the story gets even better. We call our stage manager "Bruce Almighty" because he already knows where we need to be on set, but he raised his game last night in Brooklyn.
Here's what happened. He's walking along. He spots something orange flickering out of the corner of his eye. Turns out it was a roof fire across the street, and it was growing. As soon as he sees it -- as he often does here -- he disregards his own safety, runs into the building and gets the people out. He then reverts from first responder to what he really is, which is a TV guy, and shoots the fire.
We should mention, Bruce didn't tell us about any of this. His friends came to us this morning and said, "Hey, forget about looking outside for the good stuff. We got it right here."
PEREIRA: Oh my goodness.
CUOMO: We're dragging him in to get the credit because he must get it.
BOLDUAN: You walked in and asked, "Hey, how's it going? How was your night?" I was like --
BOLDUAN: I had no idea.
PEREIRA: Prepare to leave (ph), my friend.
BRUCE DUNKINS, NEW DAY: It was -- I'm walking down the street. Something caught my eye. And I look up and I see smoke, a couple of sparks. Nobody's barbecuing. What's going on?
There was a fire. The flames started licking, the wind picks up. And I called 911. Started banging on the door -- a man comes to the door. He has a tool -- tool bag. I said, "You have a fire on your roof." He goes, "Oh, I can't believe what I did." And he went running up. He knew that he had done something.
BOLDUAN: But he didn't know it until you --
DUNKINS: He didn't know it until I came, no. A couple couples out, a lady with two kids comes out. And the fire trucks came. You guys see the fire trucks came.
PEREIRA: So nobody was hurt?
DUNKINS: Nobody was hurt.
PEREIRA: Thank goodness.
PEREIRA: Oh my goodness.
BOLDUAN: And you shot some good video, too.
PEREIRA: Yes, you did. You kept your cool. I'm just saying. I had no idea this happened. This is so terrifying. So do we know how much damage was done? Obviously on the rooftop, mostly water damage is going to be a problem and smoke, right?
DUNKINS: Yes, of course. Of course.
CUOMO: You got people out. That's the whole problem. Smoke gets you because you can't really smell it in these situations.
PEREIRA: Yes, yes.
CUOMO: Counter intuitively -- you did what you needed to do in a situation when many would not have.
DUNKINS: You know, you see the fire, what are you going to do? You have to knock on the door. You've got to get that door --
BOLDUAN: You don't have to, but you did.
PEREIRA: That's our guy. Bruce, so proud of you.
DUNKINS: I'm glad that I did.
CUOMO: I would argue you do have to. And you did. Bruce Almighty, although this shifts the balance of power here on set, it's a constant fight with Bruce about who's right about things, and now he's going to win because he saved people's lives.
BOLDUAN: And look, he finally earned the name.
PEREIRA: He saved people's lives.
CUOMO: Bruce Almighty.
DUNKINS: Go on. Go on.
BOLDUAN: Nice job.
DUNKINS: No, really, go on.
BOLDUAN: Do we have to go on to the next? Because he's the guy that tells us when it's time to go on to the next story.
BOLDUAN: Time for us to move on.
PEREIRA: OK. So we'll go on to the next story. You might have heard about the mistake that was made, Vice President Biden and a few others made. They called the wrong guy to congratulate him for becoming Boston's new mayor. The new mayor is named Marty Walsh. So is the person we have on the phone, the man the vice president mistakenly called. Marty Walsh, welcome to NEW DAY.
MARTY WALSH, HAS SAME NAME AS BOSTON'S NEW MAYOR: Good morning.
PEREIRA: Good morning to you. I was almost going to say good morning to you, Mr. Mayor, but I should not, should I?
WALSH: No. That mistake happened before, but it's a great day, and I'm very happy for my friend Marty Walsh, and Boston is very fortunate to have a new mayor.
PEREIRA: For a nanosecond, did you think, I did it? Oh, wait. What did I do?
WALSH: No, no. You know, when the call came, I was anticipating that it might happen, but obviously not to the scale and the people that actually called. It has happened in the last 15 years where there has been some confusion with my friend, Marty and myself but nothing like what happened on Tuesday night.
CUOMO: How do you tell the veep he's got the wrong guy? How do you handle that, Marty? How long did you let him talk? Did you think about just hanging up? What did you do?
WALSH: Yes. You know, it was -- it was funny, my wife and I were watching the results. I kind of made a little joke that something like that could happen. And when the 202 number came up, I answered the phone and Vice President Biden, you know, answered, "You son of a gun. You did it, Marty." I laughed and I said, "Mr. Vice President, you know, thank you, but you have the wrong Marty Walsh. You're looking for Mayor-elect Marty Walsh." And he, you know what -- showing what a great guy the vice president is, kept laughing. "Well, I got a Marty Walsh in Boston." He kept it going and he laughed. I told him I had worked for Senator Kennedy.
PEREIRA: Drat, we're having some cell phone issues there.
BOLDUAN: Hopefully that was not the conversation with the vice president because cell phone service is so bad. If you're still there, we'll check one more time.
That wasn't the only wrong call that you got even that night, right? You got calls from other big-name politicians, too, Marty.
WALSH: Yes. Well, the White House called. The White House operator called and wanted -- and asked if I was Marty Walsh. I knew who was on the other line. So I told the operator, "You do have Marty Walsh, but you have the wrong Marty Walsh that you're looking for." And they confirmed the phone number and I said, "Yes, you have the wrong -- it's the right phone number but the wrong Marty Walsh." So that was one call. And then the mayor of Minneapolis called and Congresswoman Wassermann Schultz called both leaving messages congratulating me. It was the wrong Marty.
PEREIRA: There's probably, you know, hundreds of Marty Walshes around the nation. But it's interesting that two Marty Walshes would be in politics. You know, it's kind of interesting. What a coincidence and what a great memory for you have -- to know that the Vice President called you.
Marty Walsh, thanks so much for joining us to tell us your story. It's a lot of fun.
WALSH: Thanks. Have a great day.
BOLDUAN: For this moment Mr. Mayor --
PEREIRA: Yes. Mr. Mayor -- thank you for your time.
CUOMO: Hopefully the next call is from like the lottery.
CUOMO: Then go with it, Marty. Nobody wants to be a politician. Everybody wants to win the lottery.
PEREIRA: Let's go the other way, you could always owe somebody money, right. The other Marty Walsh could be like -- right?
CUOMO: That's true.
PEREIRA: Running from the law. CUOMO: One of those pay your bill -- pay your bill calls.
WALSH: Maybe I'll get a dinner reservation out of this a lot easier now.
PEREIRA: Very nice.
BOLDUAN: You have earned the dinner reservation which now gives me an idea. In New York City I've learned it's impossible to get a dinner reservation and I'm going to use Marty Walsh from now on.
PEREIRA: Marty Walsh, calling.
BOLDUAN: Marty Walsh, great to meet you. Thank you so much.
PEREIRA: Thanks for joining us.
BOLDUAN: That's it for us today guys. Time for "NEWSROOM" with Carol Costello -- hey, Carol.
CAROL COSTELL, CNN ANCHOR: I love that Marty Walsh. Have a great day, guys.
CUOMO: Which one?
COSTELLO: Thanks so much.
"NEWSROOM" starts now.
Happening now in the "NEWSROOM" -- ready, set, go. From 140 characters to $14 billion, the bluebird of Twitter leaves the nest and goes public -- 26 bucks a share. Nice if you got the cash.
Also, mystery deepens. New surveillance video shows Georgia teen Kendrick Johnson walking, then running out of frame. Then the video goes blurry, leaving open the question of how the 17-year-old died inside that rolled-up gym mat.
Plus, standing O -- eight months after a horrific injury at the elite eight, Kevin Ware is back; six points, four rebounds, three standing ovations.
And dough -- the VP calls to congratulate Boston's new mayor except he dialed up the wrong Martin Walsh.
WALSH: "Congratulations, Marty, you dog." You know, "Great win." And right I said, "Mr. Vice President, I'm sorry, you've got the wrong Marty Walsh."
And Obama care, the Country Music Awards -- priceless.
(MUSIC) COSTELLO: You're live in the "CNN NEWSROOM".
I love Carrie Underwood. We'll get to that in just a minute. But first, good morning to you. I'm Carol Costello. Thank you so much for joining me.
New claims this morning that the Miami Dolphins knew about Jonathan Martin's struggles before he left the team because of alleged bullying. Pro football talk says Martin's agent complained to Dolphins' GM Jeff Ireland about how Richie Incognito was treating Martin.
Sources telling the NBC Sports website that Ireland's solution was for Martin to punch Incognito.