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"60 Minutes Apology"; More Art Found; "I Am Malala" Banned; Partners In Crime; Oldest U.S. Vet Gets Invite; Macneill Convicted; Gun Violence Rising In Movies; Powerball Court Battle
Aired November 11, 2013 - 07:30 ET
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CHRIS CUOMO, CNN ANCHOR: Many of the hardest hit areas, one of the things, is of particular sensitivity right now in the relief effort is there had been an earthquake there already. People are living in tent cities. People were vulnerable and exposed already. They're having difficulty accounting in those areas. So you will start hearing more stories as it goes forward. That's why doing what you can to help is so important, go to cnn.com/impact if you want to help in the relief effort.
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Absolutely.
MICHAELA PEREIRA, CNN ANCHOR: Take a look at our other headlines making news at this hour, a mea culpa from "60 Minutes," correspondent, Lara Logan apologizing for reporting on the CBS News magazine show saying producers misled in a story about the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. A security officer told Logan he was at the compound that night and described seeing the dead body of the dead U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, but it was later discovered his story did not match what he told the FBI.
Another 22 paintings believe stolen by the Nazis had been recovered in Germany. They were turned in by the brother-in-law of the man who had about 1,400 pieces until they were discovered last year. That collection is believed to be worth about $1.3 billion. The German government sent legal experts in to help resolve ownership issues.
The book "I Am Malala" has been banned in private schools across Pakistan. It was written by the teen, shot by the Taliban for criticizing its interpretation of Islam, which limits the girl's access to education. Pakistani officials claim it doesn't show enough respect for Islam and calls Malala a tool of the west.
Back here at home, a Florida couple are being compared to modern day Bonnie and Clyde, facing charges this morning for an alleged bank robbing spree, Emmanuel Lee and Kara Lee Williams, accused of robbing a dozen banks in Florida and Alabama in the span of a year. Officials say the couple used disguises and notes to demand money from employees of the bank. If convicted, they could face up to 20 years in prison.
PEREIRA: Quite a special surprise for an extraordinary veteran at 107 years young. Richard Overton is believed to be the nation's oldest veteran. Today, he will be celebrating Veteran's Day at the White House. Overton says he got the surprise when he received a call inviting him to take part in today's festivities. The World War II veteran says his secret to longevity is quote, "staying out of trouble." I am going to follow his advice.
CUOMO: One more indication of being the greatest generation.
PEREIRA: A 107 years young, congratulations and thank you for your service.
BOLDUAL: All right, let's talk now about that sensational murder trial we've been following, guilty is the verdict for the Utah doctor, Martin Macneill, convicted of drugging and drowning his wife, Michele. It took a jury 11 hours to reach a verdict. CNN's Ted Rowlands walks through that decision.
TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The verdict triggered an outburst of emotion and a tearful celebration for the daughters and sisters of Michele Macneill.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm so happy he can't hurt anyone else. We miss our mom.
ROWLANDS: The saga and ultimate verdict of guilt against Martin Macneill was more than six years in the making. The jury deliberated for 11 hours and in the end was convinced that the doctor drugged and drowned his wife in a bathtub so he could be with his mistress. The verdict was only possible because of the women in Michele's life, her sisters and daughters and relentless push for investigation.
LINDA CLIFF, MICHELE'S SISTER: I'm glad that we can do this for you. I felt her with us in there.
JILL HARPER-SMITH, MICHELE'S NIECE: When it happened, we were kind of like, did we hear that right because it's so surreal. We have been waiting for this for so long.
ROWLANDS: Macneill who maintained his innocence had no visible reaction to the verdict. His defense attorney, Randy Spencer, spent the last four weeks trying to convince jurors that Macneil was not guilty.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Of course, I'm disappointed, I don't have any comments.
ROWLANDS: Macneill, who is 47, will likely spend the rest of his life in prison, expected to be sentenced early next year. Ted Rowlands, CNN, Provo, Utah.
CUOMO: So ends the trial. You have to remember that for prosecutors, this was all about painting this man as a horrible man. They did it from the beginning and they wind up succeeding with that theory. Now CNN's Jean Casarez has been covering the trial from the beginning and she spoke exclusively with one of Martin Macneill's daughters who wound up being the key to the case.
ALEXIS SOMERS, MACNEILL'S DAUGHTER: I just know the truth. I know, I know my father killed my mother and so I was fighting for justice. The defense tried in any way to discredit me and, you know, I was telling the truth.
JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Take us back to that moment the jury files in, they were silent, they were stoic. They sat in the jury box. What was going through you before that verdict was read?
SOMERS: I was just shaking. I was trembling. I was so scared and nervous. We knew the verdict was going to be coming in at any moment and the culmination of so many years, fighting for this.
CASAREZ: Your father's reaction when the verdict was read, he was non-emotional, just stood there, there seemed to be an acknowledgment at the end. You know him better than all of us, what does that say to you?
SOMERS: I thought I knew him. Now we've really come to understand who he really is and he's a calculated cold, murderer. He had no reaction.
CASAREZ: When you came into the courtroom to testify. You came in the door. You stood there. They had to call you up. What was it like to know that this was the moment that you were to testify in front of a jury against your father?
SOMERS: Well, I mean, that was a little surreal as well. I really didn't think we'd ever get to that point. We continued to fight and hope, but to actually be there in trial, it was very difficult and I wanted to just make sure I was honest and told the truth and it's just hard being so many years later, if you have so little inaccuracies, I didn't want to do anything that would hurt the case at all?
CASAREZ: Did you ever look at him?
SOMERS: I did. I have been to dozens and dozens of hearings in court proceedings regarding my father over the last several years and I every once in a while, I do glance at him.
CASAREZ: Does he look back?
SOMERS: A few times, yes.
CASAREZ: What do you see in his eyes?
SOMERS: I just see -- I just see a shell of a man and I see evil.
CASAREZ: If you could ask him one question right now that you could get an answer on, what would that be?
SOMERS: I would just ask him, I don't know, maybe why? Why would you take her away from us? But I know why. He didn't care. He had a plan. He didn't care about my mom.
CASAREZ: You just had twins, what will you tell them about their grandma?
SOMERS: I will tell them the story, the story that my mom loved us and she loved all of her children.
CASAREZ: If you could say something to your mother, talk with her, what would you want her to know now?
SOMERS: She knows. She knows everything that I want her to know. She knows that, that I love her.
CUOMO: Our thanks to Jean Casarez for that. You can hear more from Alexis Somers tonight on "Nancy Grace" on HLN.
BOLDUAN: Coming up next on NEW DAY, a new study looking at guns and PG-13 and R-Rated movies and the impact on kids, the details on that ahead.
CUOMO: How about this one? Two feuding ex's, one lottery ticket and $338 million at stake. This is a debate for to you weigh in on. Should a former long-term girlfriend get a share? We will give you the facts we get back.
CUOMO: Welcome back to NEW DAY. The latest unfortunate report of gunfire took place at an ice rink in New York City maybe over a jacket. Two were shot and injured. Now a 16-year old is in custody. The cause of this all, again, just an argument that's all it was.
Meanwhile, there is a startling new study about gun violence in movies. It's tripled in PG-13 movies since 1985 and PG-13 films are now more violent than those rated "R." So is there a connection with all of this? Is there a culture play involved? Let's bring in two doctors who know a lot about this, psychologist, Dr. Chuck Williams and Dr. Michael Welner, chairman of the Forensic Panel. Thank you doctors both for being here.
Let's start with the general supposition. I just read two different things. Is there a correlation? Do you see a connection between the violence in media culture and violence that we see played out in reality?
DR. CHUCK WILLIAMS, PSYCHOLOGIST: What's interesting about this, Chris, is almost 20 years ago to the day, President Clinton signed the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. Actually it was November 20th, 1993. On that occasion he said something that I think is sort of very apropos for this discussion. He said that when people of common sense and good will come together, then we can make progress on these issues.
Twenty years later, I'm not sure that's happened, I'm not sure people of common sense and goodwill have gotten together to look at how to address this issue of violence, if Sandy Hook didn't change things, what is? We can't get them to agree on criminal background checks and screenings on those who can get their hands on a weapon and do some violent things. So to me, it's about the culture of violence and whether or not we are going to address that as a nation and to look at the corollaries to that light violent move, we will get to when we talk about the studies?
BOLDUAN: What do you think? It's a common age old question, does violence in media lead to actual violence?
DR. MICHAEL WELNER, CHAIRMAN, THE FORENSIC PANEL: You have to drill down on the violence itself. If you want to talk about Bryant Park, when you drill down, you've got a teenager who carries himself with gang imagery. He posts himself on Facebook. There is something. I think we have to hold specifically segments of hip-hop culture, responsible, responsible for the idea that guns are an accessory of manhood. They're not.
And until those people who influence children mobilize and say, you are gutting your community, people can't go to school. That's your homeland security issue. People can't go to school. People can't be in neighborhoods because people have to have a gun. If they don't, if they're not armed, then if it's not their manhood in question, it's an issue of safety. So I think the culture, entertainment is important. But it has a very specific relationship.
Lastly, I would point out two things, one is the idea of iconography, the violent person, the person's ability to destroy is somewhat that men and male images are formed around and, secondly, it's the "Sopranos/Breaking Bad" phenomenon, the idea that people making violent choices locate you and me, we can relate to. That's a toxic development in entertaining television and programming.
PEREIRA: I heard from people, parents -- people on the street the coffee shop. These kids don't team e seem to value life. They seem to have lost the respect for the fragility of humanity. Is that something that goes to being desensitized by what we've seen on screen? I remember we are kids in the '80s. Chris, remember our parents tried to keep all those images from us. Is there something to this?
WILLIAMS: I want to go back to what my colleague said about your point. I'm going to call him out. He's talking about hip-hop. Jay-Z can say a lot more about staying away from guns and violence. Between that and in the previous segment, you talk about the NFL, as my colleague mentioned, there is this saturation, particularly in male culture and forget the hip-hop culture attached to it. It is dominated by male culture.
WELMER: You are in the NFL, do you have to prove you are a man by having a gun at this point?
BOLDUAN: Also the other side of the argument, it's not another side of the argument, another element of the argument, this question, is there a correlation between violence and media and actual violence. This was an issue before the Supreme Court a year or two ago the entertainment violated video games. This is where parents need to show their kids, should they be allowed to play these violent video games? You shouldn't be censoring us. We should be able to have freedom of speech, the cycle of creativity.
WELNER: You are right. There is no reason why the parents who watch this program should not set down rules saying we will not pay for you to go to violent movies anymore. We will not pay for violent video games. If you take the economy out of violence, it extinguishes it. There is an entrepreneurship that feeds the boast. There are two ways to do it. Either if parents take control of their children and what they pay for their children to do.
Secondly, we use taxation on alcohol, on cigarettes. For these kinds of studies that chart violence, how would one not benefit societal from taxing violent incidents? You say, OK, fine, you want to make a violent movie, fine. We'll take that money, pay for crime fighting. We will pay for community better, for education. There are ways in which you can legislate discipline because, clearly, you have an unregulated feeding of the beast.
WILLIAMS: It has to start in the moment. All the conversation we have about parents begs for labels. They wanted ratings. We gave it to them in 1985. Now they're not paying attention, research shows believe it or not. It is parents who are buying and purchasing these tickets for the movies, these violent video games, they think it's OK. The research is overwhelming, it's not OK.
When they consume this violent media, they can become more aggressive and some can lead to gun violence. It's up to parents as we said earlier as a child of the ''80s, my mom and dad decided what I watched, when I watched it. Nowadays, some parents advocated that responsibility to TV, to movies. We want to get a hand him. Parents, it is your job. It is your job.
BOLDUAN: Exactly. Chuck Williams, great to see, Dr. Mike Welner, always great to see you both. Thanks again.
Coming up next on NEW DAY, how generous would you be if you won $338 million? Should you even have to ask that questions? Well, one New Jersey man isn't sharing with his girlfriend and she's suing, why she thinks she deserves a cut of the winning and he doesn't, that's coming up.
PEREIRA: Welcome back to NEW DAY. It is a heated battle over a lottery ticket, a $338 million winning Power Ball ticket. New Jersey man, Pedro Cazada, won that jackpot last spring and his ex-girlfriend wants her share, but his attorneys say she has no legal claim to the money because they were no married, even though they were together ten years, have a child together and owned a store together.
Here to talk about this is HLN legal analyst, Joey Jackson. Folks are going to say she's a money grabbing woman trying to get this man's goods. The fact is they had a history together. She had no legal claim to this?
JOEY JACKSON, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: That's the terrible thing. I say Pedro do the right thing, be honorable and decent about this. CUOMO: You're a lawyer.
JACKSON: How dare me. At the end of the day here is the problem. If you're married, then it's subject to equitable distribution, right, and that means that you split the proceeds and here's the other problem. New Jersey is not a common law marriage jurisdiction.
PEREIRA: I was just going to bring up common law.
JACKSON: There are states where if you live with someone for a special amount of time, cohabitating, holding that person out to be your wife the law says you're married. New Jersey is not one of them. There's an equitable argument, the argument of equity but courts are in the business of enforcing what is law.
CUOMO: I know, Mickey says they had a child together, since when does that create a bond between people in this society.
PEREIRA: As you said that it just occurred to me they had a child together so is there child custody?
JACKSON: Let's just say this. There will be very large child support checks that are furnished on a regular basis.
CUOMO: The formula for that is on their lifestyle on as it was and what this kid needs.
JACKSON: The problem is that you have a child so equitable that child has a right and some type of claim to a few standards of living so the child won't be cut out and of course the child will be subject to the dad's living which will be pretty good, too.
CUOMO: Didn't I read he's shipped off most of the money to the Dominican Republic already?
JACKSON: Here's the bigger problem, a lot of times a person will dissipate assets, what does that mean? They expose of the assets quickly and they went before the judge to get a preliminary injunction, judge, freeze the money. And they're not able to show that and here is the further problem, palimony -- alimony if you're married you give a chunk to the spouse. Palimony we live together, we're just pals, but New Jersey says you need a written agreement.
CUOMO: Something to remember with the lottery stuff you better have a writing involved among you otherwise you may have problems.
BOLDUAN: Co-workers or --
CUOMO: You could be basing it on morality as opposed to legality. Before we put too much stink on this guy we have to know more about why they're not together anymore, which may be motivating to look at that time legally --
PEREIRA: Because he got rich.
BOLDUAN: If I bought the ticket -- JACKSON: Apparently that's the rumor that there's some domestic violence claim but they owned a bodega together, live together, have a child together, do the right thing and share some of the money.
BOLDUAN: Joey Jackson.
JACKSON: Pleasure to privilege --
PEREIRA: Speaker of the truth.
JACKSON: Hon, I'd share everything with you.
CUOMO: You have to.
JACKSON: Whether or not I had to, I'd share it all.
CUOMO: We'll be back.
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MAR ROXAS, PHILIPPINE INTERIOR SECRETARY: It's -- I don't have the words for it. It's really horrific.
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CUOMO: The devastation is near complete. As many as 10,000 dead from the super typhoon that lashed the Philippines, tens of thousands more desperately in need of aid and another storm on the way.