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Crack Mayor Bobbleheads Sold Out

Aired November 12, 2013 - 21:00   ET



DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Toronto`s crack mayor. Whether you love him, or hate him, the behavior bureau looks at why we cannot stop talking about him.

Plus, Lady Gaga coming clean about addiction to pot, and that`s not all. We`ll hear from the music diva on drug, depression and her message to her fans.

And the viral video you have to see to believe. Cops pull over a young woman out for a drive wearing only her bra and panties. You`ve never seen a sobriety test like this.

Let`s get started.



PINSKY: Good evening.

My co-host is attorney and Sirius XM radio host Jenny Hutt.

And coming up, I will show you more of that woman pulled over by police in her underwear. And she throws on a football jersey backwards. There`s a couple other viral videos I want to get into, but first --

JENNY HUTT, RADIO HOST: But that one, hmm.

PINSKY: But that one, Jenny, you`ll enjoy it, I promise.

But first, Toronto`s crack smoking mayor, he wasn`t sweating it for the hundreds of fans who lined up -- get his, Jenny -- to get his autograph on a Rob Ford bobblehead doll. That all went down this morning.

HUTT: Wait a minute. Where`s the Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Bobblehead?

HUTT: Yes.

PINSKY: I don`t have that kind of -- my ratings -- what do they call them? Approval ratings aren`t as high as his. Take a look at this.


MAYOR ROB FORD, TORONTO: How are you doing? Now you can hit it on the desk every time. It bounces back all the time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is Canadian crack maple flavored?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m the fat person on the panel, and I don`t have a problem with fat jokes. Let me tell you, a fat crack user is hilarious.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you doing to change your lifestyle?

FORD: Whoa!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Came by last night after a good workout. I think it`s the third or fourth workout. He`s getting the support he needs. It`s going to be a public flogging tomorrow, which is all politics.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would like to invite to the podium, Mayor Rob Ford.



PINSKY: Joining us tonight, Lynn Berry, HLN host, Areva Martin, attorney; Dean Obeidallah, contributor to and "The Daily Beast"; and Ann Coulter, political and social commentator, author of "Never Trust A Liberal Over 3, Especially a Republican".

All right. Let`s start but, Ann. I haven`t heard your thoughts on this mayor.

All politics? As a physician, it`s looking at a medical problem melting down before our eyes.

ANN COULTER, POLITICAL & SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, that`s clearly true. He needs to get treatment. He`s apparently quite a boozer.

But, you know, politicians have done worse than this on booze. When I first saw the video of him and his admission, I didn`t know anything about him. I thought, wow, this guy`s going to have to go.

And then I saw some people in Toronto, and they love him. Apparently, the government before he came in was full of kickbacks and corruption and it wasn`t getting things done. And he came in and he cut taxes and he cleaned out the corruption.

So, I think he really needs to get help for his alcohol abuse, but they like him as mayor.

PINSKY: Yes. I mean, Areva, should we necessarily say there has to be, if you have medical problems or personal problems, you can`t be an effective administrator? I think the American government has suggested otherwise.

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: Dr. Drew, this guy needs to be under a jail. This isn`t just a medical problem, these are crimes. If he is in smoking crack and in possession of crack, if he was anyone else, he would be in jail. I`m waiting for the Canadian government, for the prosecutors to step up and deal this guy.

This is ridiculous, beyond leadership, beyond his personal problems, he may be creating a crime. And if he is, he should be in jail like anyone else. No pass because he`s the mayor, absolutely not. No pass.

PINSKY: Dean, your thoughts?

DEAN OBEIDALLAH, THE DAILY BEAST: To me, you know, I think they like him. He reminds me of Chris Farley, as a motivational speaker from "Saturday Night Live". That`s what he reminds me, when I see him.

Now, running around. He`s funny. He`s out of control.

But I mean, there is -- and maybe he can twist and go when I`m on crack, I can work 24/7 for you guys. I never sleep, I`m always working for you.

And maybe on some bizarre level, he has an approval rating that`s gone up five points since the allegations came out about the crack use. He`s at 44 percent. In America the Tea Party hit 28 percent. Maybe they need to smoke some crack and they`ll move in the ratings.

So, I think it`s interesting thing. The people there seem to like him. (INAUDIBLE) lined up for the bobblehead dolls.

PINSKY: Lynn, can you make sense of this for me?

LYNN BERRY, HLN HOST: I don`t know if I can make sense of that last thing where he`s promoting crack with the politicians. I think they`re smoking a whole lot of other things already.

PINSKY: They`ll be clearly down by the river!


OBEIDALLAH: Exactly, down by the river.

BERRY: But -- I mean, listen, the big thing is whether or not we`re going to see this video. Because once we see this video, we`re going to be talking about something completely different if it shows what everyone says it shows and that`s going to be criminal charges. Is this guy going to face criminal charges if he is seen in the video smoking crack? It`s going to change his story completely --

PINSKY: How are you going to prove -- Areva, how are you going to prove that`s crack? He`s just going to say it`s --


MARTIN: -- with drug dealers, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: So, what? It`s not against the law.

MARTIN: We`re ignoring a lot of real important factors. If he were a teenager, if he was Joe blow on the corner, it wouldn`t be a question. So, why are we giving him a pass?

This bad behavior should not be sanctioned. It should be dealt with, and we need to deal with it.

BERRY: We`re not only --

PINSKY: Go ahead.

BERRY: We`re not only giving him a pass, he`s selling out bobbleheads of himself. I would say only in America can it seems like something like that would go on here, but it`s going on in Canada and you just have to scratch your head --

PINSKY: Finally, Jenny, our Canadian brethren picking up our bad habits.

What do you say, Jenny?

HUTT: OK. This is what I think, I think that the reason like I said the other day that everybody can`t turn away and he has a high approval rating is because you can`t turn away from a train crash, and he sort of gives people hope at home that they`re not as far gone as they think they are, because look at him and he`s the mayor. There`s that.

I also think if we get to see the video of him actually smoking crack, I don`t think it`s going to be the same reaction from the public, and I think people will have more appropriate kind of outrage with the visual.

PINSKY: Lynn, is that going to happen? Are we going to see that visual? Or is the judge going to hold on to that for a while?

BERRY: The judge is considering that right now, actually for completely separate case. There are these alleged drug dealers that have been arrested. And this video is connection with what they`ve been arrested for, which is extortion, and actually being involved in the video. So the judge viewed it today. And he`s going to take a couple days to see whether or not he`s going to allow the defense to actually view this videotape.

And the question is why isn`t he allowing it? What`s stopping him? We don`t know the level of corruption that`s going on here. We don`t know why the police haven`t gotten any answers from the mayor. So we`re going to learn a lot more as this goes on. And, listen, except from the beginning, if there`s not a huge news story that blows this out of the water, this is not going away.

PINSKY: Areva?

MARTIN: Dr. Drew, everyone on this panel, we keep ignoring the facts here. This guy is committing a crime. We`re watching it play itself out on television, and we`re acting as if this is some kind of wonderful reality television show.

This is a reality. These are people`s lives. He`s setting an example for everyone across this nation. Canada, U.S., our kids are watching this bad behavior.

We need to do something about it. We have to do something about it.

PINSKY: Hold on. I want to show Ann something. A mysterious billboard appeared in the mayor`s hometown last week. It had bible verses on it, John 7:8, "Let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone." In other words, judge not, lest you be judged.

Of course, the word responsibility there seems to be misspelled. That`s interesting.

COULTER: It`s Canadian spelling.

PINSKY: I guess so. It`s again and again.

But the fact is, in that billboard, there was also a comment about fiscal responsibility. Do you think people are so enthusiastic by politics that they just want to look the other way?

COULTER: Yes, and also, I do think there`s a feeling that the media is treating him differently. I mean, the fact, just that video that you`ve been playing over and over again of the media, the cameras surrounding him to the point that he walks into one and they keep replaying him cursing.

Well, you know, he walks into a camera, and I don`t think he would be in prison if he were anyone else. They -- as you say, they have to prove what`s in the pipe. They do have to question him.

If he were in this country and had gotten drunk and committed a crime, say, killed a woman, he`d be running for president in six years. That is what happened to Teddy Kennedy who killed a girl when he was drunk.

So, there does seem to be a dual standard here.

PINSKY: Dean, is this, or is this thing becoming such a circus because of his behavior? Last week, the Iron Sheik showed up. He and I share the front page of "The Toronto Sun." He showed up in a wheelchair to challenge the mayor to an arm-wrestling contest.

He put a tweet out today. Do we have a screen of this? I`m not sure I can read it straight. Put it out there, "Mayor, I crack your butt and I crack your back," it says in his tweet. There`s the Iron Sheikh.


PINSKY: But it`s become a punch line, and can you really be effective as a leader if really things get out of hand? But back to my point, why doesn`t he get treatment?

OBEIDALLAH: Right. Well, that`s a great point. Can you be effective as a leader? No. And this guy really wants to run for reelection next year in November, he said it.

But, Ann might disagree. But isn`t this more examples of a hypocrisy of conservative politicians like Rob Ford who talks about conservative values and smokes crack, or we have politicians who are conservatives who cheat on their wife with a prostitute or run off for eight or nine days to South America to have an affair with a mistress, or solicit a man in a men`s room like Larry Craig --


PINSKY: Those are soul mates, how dare you address that trip down South America?

OBEIDALLAH: But Ann talked about Ted Kennedy -- Ted Kennedy is deceased as if, you know, some liberal thing --


PINSKY: Go ahead.

OBEIDALLAH: Both sides doing bad things.

COULTER: Because, look, you have to go back 10 years to come up with some sexual scandal that isn`t against the law. The cases are parallel in the sense that when people are drunk they do a lot of crazy, terrible things. Yes, they`re held responsible.

But as a moral matter, I think everyone looks at someone differently who does something bad when they`re drunk. We understand that the problem is an alcoholism problem. It`s not an intent to murder or intent to smoke crack problem. I do think murdering a woman is a more serious problem than smoking crack.

And Teddy Kennedy did run for president just six years later.

PINSKY: Areva?

MARTIN: The jail is full of people who need treatment. So, no one is just giving this guy treatment.

PINSKY: You`re right.

MARTIN: If he`s committed a crime, he will get that treatment behind bars like everyone else. So he`s not above the law simply because he needs treatment or he`s the mayor.

PINSKY: Lynn, what`s the probability somebody`s going to get enough information to prove that is crack this that pipe?

BERRY: You know, that`s going to be just witness testimony, I would imagine. As this trial goes forward, it`s going to be someone coming forward and saying it`s his word against mine. And you can say, what, it was just --

PINSKY: Hookah, it was --

BERRY: It`s a glass bowl. I mean, I`m not an expert in smoking hookah.

HUTT: We all need glass bowl for something.

BERRY: Was he eating his cereal out of it? You know, I mean, I don`t what kind of argument he`s going to make. But --

OBEIDALLAH: A bobble head doll? There`s a bobble head doll, does it come with a crack pipe.

MARTIN: He`ll probably tell you he`s smoking crack.

PINSKY: I learn scary things about my panel members when I`m on these little panels. But I learned tonight that Lynn`s a lightweight. So, here we go. Thank you, panel.

Next up, tearing the crack mayor down, only to build him back up again. That`s what people do. That`s what humans do. Behavior bureau`s going to look at that, why we tear down leaders. Why do we tear down celebrities.

Later, Lady Gaga and marijuana. Big deal? Not a big deal? We`ll discuss that as well.

Back after this.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When it comes to taxpayers` money, he`s the most honest politician in the country.

BERRY: There is an argument to be made that if he admits he`s an addict and he goes and tries and seeks help, there`s no reason he should step down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For some of the proud citizens of Ford nation these days, fitness for office is a relative term.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you vote for him again if this all blew over?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Though some wish to voice their support anonymously.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you rather have someone taking your money and lying to the people? Or just having somebody smoking crack?

HUTT: How often in public office does someone misbehave? It`s sort of like par for the course?


PINSKY: Welcome back with my co-host Jenny Hutt.

Time for behavior bureau. We`re getting their take on the crack smoking mayor. Would you rather take him money or just smoking crack? I love that.

With us tonight: Jillian Barberie, social commentator; Jennifer Keitt, life coach and radio host, Cheryl Arutt, clinical and forensic psychologist, and Wendy Walsh, psychologist and author of "The 30-Day Love Detox."

All right, Wendy, here`s my question.


PINSKY: Is Rob Ford merely the fault, both the fault of the voters in terming of putting him in and for how they`re treating him now?

WALSH: Well, I don`t think it was the voters` fault that they put him in, because, you know, these political campaigns are so contrived. And lots of research has been done to see what kind of hairstyle they need or whatever they need to get the vote. So, that`s not the thing.

The thing is we love to build someone up so we can tear them down.

PINSKY: Yes, yes.

WALSH: That is the oldest story in history. And you know what, Dr. Drew? We want to see him make a come back some day.

PINSKY: Well, Americans like the come back. I don`t know if Canadians do.

I mean, you`re a Canadian, do they like --

WALSH: They do.

PINSKY: OK, they do. Good.

WALSH: Jillian, aren`t you Canadian, too?

JILLIAN BARBERIE, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, I am. You know what? I was just talking to my family up in Canada who voted for him. I came from a family of liberals. My sister works at the Toronto International Film Festival.

I don`t know who Ann Coulter is talking to, but my family said they are over him. All the Canadians she knows are completely over him. And I think that the fact that he lied is what really pissed them off.

They could handle the crack. As long as he was running the economy OK and things were on the up and up as far as their taxes were concerned, they didn`t have any questions about it. When things went south and he lied, I think that`s when the Canadians went, we`ve got a real problem.

PINSKY: All right. Guys, I want to show you something about the American political system and talk about some of the politicians who have misbehaved here. We have Anthony Weiner. Of course, he was caught up in a sexting scandal in the New York mayoral candidacy. He appeared on HBO`s "Real Time With Bill Maher".

Now, take a look at this. Then, I get your thoughts. I`ll start with you, Cheryl. But watch first.


BILL MAHER, TV HOST: Look at the number of talented political people that we have lost. Spitzer, Weiner, John Edwards, Bill Clinton`s second term. Ted Kennedy, you could say. I mean, this country needs to grow up a little. We are losing too much talent. I look at this --


MAHER: -- this mayor in Toronto, his approval rating went up.

ANTHONY WEINER (R), FORMER U.S. CONGRESSMAN: I appreciate that sentiment, but this has been too -- I`m a little too close to it to kind of --

MAHER: Well, I`m trying to give you some perspective.


PINSKY: Cheryl, you get what I mean? Should we disassociate the person`s administrative job from their personal weaknesses? And might it be the case that people who seek these leadership jobs, they tend to have these liabilities? So we should make concessions for them to go take care of themselves?

BARBERIE: You know, Dr. Drew, I think you have a great point, but I want to say that, you know, he`s been under investigation for a while. It`s not just him, it`s his driver. This guy Lisi, you know, our time, taxpayer`s money, it`s shady.

You know, what is he doing on taxpayers` time? He`s not --


PINSKY: Cheryl?

ARUTT: Dr. Drew, I know I have Canadian book ends on either side of me. So, my apologies, ladies.

I really think that make being the distinction between somebody having psychological kinds of issues. Some people say if you want the job to run the U.S. or something, then you`re not fit for the job, things like that. But to make the distinction between crack smoking and sex scandals is something else entirely.

I think Bill Maher is saying, oh, Canada`s more enlightened because they can separate these two things. But I don`t know, Dr. Drew, if you`ve ever done a security clearance like for the CIA or anything, or been interviewed like that. But when people have called me about people`s security clearance, it`s like is there anything that could compromise them, is there anything to be used against them, to blackmail them?

HUTT: That`s the problem.

ARUTT: That`s the problem. That`s the problem.

PINSKY: Jenny?

HUTT: I think Cheryl`s on to something. But, look, the sex scandal versus the crack use. I can`t believe this is the conversation we`re having with these high-profile people.

So, let`s start with that.

PINSKY: Well, hold on, Jennifer`s got something to say.

HUTT: Wait --

PINSKY: Finish that? Go finish.

HUTT: It was just going to say that it was much more to me than a sex scandal, the Weiner thing. That was so creepy and dark every which way he went and turn and keep going, that it was to me, as bad as the crack cocaine ultimately.

PINSKY: Jennifer?

JENNIFER KEITT, LIFE COACH: You know, the reality I think and this is going to sound really crazy, but looking at Rob Ford, this is going to be really crazy. I feel better about myself. I`m wondering if watching these people, are we watching them literally explode in front of us because it makes us feel better about ourselves?

You know what, his story is better than a Hollywood blockbuster and I am on edge to see how this thing is going to end. Is it going to be really good or is it going to be really bad? But he`s going to explode on the inside. But I feel better about myself watching him. I`m sorry.

PINSKY: Jillian?

BARBERIE: I don`t. I don`t feel better.

I feel I mean, Dr. Drew, you deal with addictions and addicts. I think there`s two things, his ego and his denial. He will not step down. Everyone wants him to step down.

The people that he works with. There`s now two motions in place for tomorrow that they do not agree that if he doesn`t step down then the motion is that, his role will be much less in government. So, you know, I think it`s a really sad thing.

I don`t like building people up to tear them down. I think as society sometimes people do but --

PINSKY: Look at all the magazines.

KEITT: He`s got a better approval rating now. He`s selling out bobbleheads for goodness sakes. People really want to feel better and they are looking at him, laughing at him and loving him at the same time. It`s absolutely crazy.

PINSKY: But, Cheryl, your point, he is dying right in front of our eyes. But he`s not tearing himself down. It is the public that`s ripping him to shreds and wanting him to leave. He eventually, left to his own devices will either die or get treatment. I mean, that`s unfortunately the way it`s going to go.

Wendy, you agree with me?

WALSH: Well, yes, something`s going to happen and we`re watching closely and I find it really interesting, Dr. Drew, that the American culture, especially the media has now adopted him, yet when a cold front comes down, suddenly it`s all Canada`s fault.

When there`s a scandal, he`s all ours, right?

PINSKY: I know. We`ve got both you and Jillian. That`s a good deal. We`ve got you causing trouble for a long time.

WALSH: We`re the hot front.

ARUTT: Sorry about that.

PINSKY: One -- who wants to comment there? One last thing on this notion, maybe it`s irrelevant, but I think of all that happens on Twitter, we think what happens on gossip magazines, we think of what happens in sort of political commentators, people love to feel that they`re galvanized as a group and attack that one person that -- they`re the one`s that`s elevated. They take that one guy and destroy them.

And you`re right, Wendy. They like resurrection. They like to be relieved of their guilt for having destroyed. I just hope this guy gets that chance because if he is a good administrator, as people say he is -- he is also a human being that deserves for treatment. He has a very serious illness.

Anybody disagree with me?

HUTT: I don`t disagree with you, but I think he has a lack of contrition and that`s what sort of ignites --


PINSKY: That`s alcoholic -- that`s alcoholic BS. That`s what alcoholics do. That`s the symptom of hit condition.

It`s very frustrating. I know. I deal with it all the time.

Thank you, panel.

Next up, Lady Gaga talking about addiction. She`s going to talk about an addiction she may or may not have.

And later, driving while sort of naked. We got a viral video then she threw something on there to take her sobriety. But it`s backwards. A little drunk. We`ll find out what goes down after this.


PINSKY: Welcome back.

I`m here with my co-host Jenny Hutt.

We`re talking now about Lady Gaga who is admitting to what she calls an addiction to cannabis, to marijuana. She, at one point, apparently smoking up to 20 joints a day.

Jenny, your reaction to that?

HUTT: Well, first reacting to your cannabis. I love how medical you are. I was thinking, she likes the weed.

PINSKY: She likes cannabinoids.

HUTT: Yes, she likes pot, she likes grass.

OK. So, this is what I think -- I think I`m not surprised. A lot of artists in the recording industry are often known for smoking pot.

PINSKY: What? How dare you.

HUTT: I know. Say it isn`t so.

But, listen, 20 joints a day, that goes beyond wake and bake. That`s a lot.

PINSKY: All right. So, let`s take a look at this tape.


LADY GAGA, POP SINGER: When I first came out, I was, who is this crazy girl?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So Gaga admits she`s been high for most of the time she`s been famous.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lady Gaga admits she`s addicted to weed?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, go for the ganja. We`re talking pills, pot, and more. It is Gaga`s startling drug confession.

LADY GAGA: I`m sort of a pop musical misfit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lady Gaga has been very candid in the past about some drug use that she`s had. She`s using it as a cautionary tale to say, don`t follow my example. She just recovered from hip surgery, she was bedridden for months, and she did Elvis Duran that hip pain was something that led to her drug use.


PINSKY: Back with us, Lynn Berry, Areva Martin, Dean Obeidallah and Ann Coulter.

Now, Gaga also talked about this addiction with Howard Stern this morning on Sirius XM Radio. So, take a listen.


HOWARD STERN: You smoke a lot of weed, right?

LADY GAGA: Not anymore, I was.

STERN: And how do you stop smoking weed? Do you just say, that`s it? It`s interfering with my life?

LADY GAGA: Well, it`s not -- you know, it`s funny, because I only recently mentioned it because it seems that young people think that, like, you can`t be addicted to it.

STERN: Right.

LADY GAGA: But you can.

STERN: Absolutely.

LADY GAGA: You can.

STERN: I know tons of people who cannot stop smoking weed.

LADY GAGA: No, and I couldn`t live without it. I mean, every -- I would wake up at 5:00 in the morning, smoke, go back to sleep. Wake up -- I mean, I was smoking, yes, like 15 to 20 joints a day.


PINSKY: Lynn, I find it interesting that she doesn`t talk about what she did to solve that problem.

BERRY: Yes, she didn`t go into that, and it`s really kind of sad.

But what were we talking yesterday? We were talking about Miley Cyrus smoking a joint at the EMS.


BERRY: But not to be a complete cynic, but I think this is a publicity ploy. I think she is jealous to the attention that Miley Cyrus is getting and she`s trying to throw herself into the spotlight. This is how these people sell records nowadays. It`s how far you can push the envelope.

HUTT: I don`t agree.

PINSKY: Jenny?

HUTT: I don`t agree. I got to tell you. I don`t agree.

First of all, I listened to the whole Howard Stern interview. And I got to tell you, Lady Gaga seemed real to me. Look -- you listen to her, you start to say, oh, my gosh.

BERRY: That`s their job. They got to pretend like they seem real.

HUTT: Hold on, she`s 27 years old. She seems super self-aware for 27 years old with this much success and that much talent. She`s not a flash in the pan already.

And in terms, I don`t think she`s not competing with Miley at all, not even kinda.

BERRY: What were talking about yesterday, though? I mean, that`s the thing. If you`re not seeking attention by putting on a suit and flying through the air I don`t know what else you`re trying to do.

PINSKY: But she`s not lighting up a joint, Ann, while Miley was. Miley seemed more of a stunt to me. I see no evidence that Miley`s addicted to anything. She just likes pushing the envelope.

But both artists and they`re asking to be assessed differently than the average person. And, indeed, what motivates them is probably different than the average person. But Gaga is saying, I had a serious problem. She`s not saying what she did about it.

COULTER: No, that`s true. And I don`t care whether it`s a publicity stunt. A good publicity stunt for once. I just always find it strange with pot how we`re in this super health conscious society where we`re banning trans-fats and glutens, and you can`t smoke any place -- a cigarette that is -- any place in America, everybody acts as if pot is some sort of health cigarette.

No. I mean, it increases stroke rate. There are some people who get addicted if you smoke as much as Lady Gaga does. You`re going to increase your rate of -- or your likelihood of getting lung cancer. You can get all the associated problems with cigarettes.


JENNY HUTT, ATTORNEY: -- you can eat marijuana. You don`t have to smoke it.

PINSKY: Who was that?


AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: I hope this conversation about Lady Gaga causes us in this conversation to have a conversation about what young women have to do to be famous, get famous, and staying there, you know, their famous status, their publicity, to and stay on top.

So, we`ve seen everything from being overly sexualized to now having to stay high. And that`s what Lady Gaga says. She says I can`t be creative, unless, I`m getting high.


PINSKY: Let me show you the quote. Let me put it up there. The quote she told "People" magazine was, "I do put that pressure on myself. I have to be high to be creative. I need that. That was an error in my life that happened for over ten years." So, she`s actually saying that`s an error. But I think Areva has an important point, Dean, which is that these women that are famous are doing so by really sexualizing themselves.

And then we like nothing more. The last block, we`re talking about tearing people down who we elevate. We really save special intensity for young women who use their sexualities to get famous, when they slip-up, we tear them down.


DEAN OBEIDALLAH, CONTRIBUTOR, CNN.COM: Maybe we can do one show high, all of us, so we can see how creative we can be.


OBEIDALLAH: Secondly -- finally, her smoking -- admitting to this explains the meat dress she wore to the VMAs about 2010 --

PINSKY: Listen, that would have been a cronut dress, Dean, had it actually been due to pot.

OBEIDALLAH: You`re right. But this is about -- that was her way of getting famous to me, that was her way of getting attention. It wasn`t revealing that she had an addiction that she overcame. So, I have to disagree with Lynn. I don`t think it`s about publicity here. I think she went through something.

She`s overcome it now and wants to share that experience with others, because look at -- 20 states have medicinal marijuana. Two have recreational use. We`re getting to the point where anyone can smoke marijuana anywhere.


OBEIDALLAH: It`s the addiction part that she`s talking about.

MARTIN: Dr. Drew, I want to give a shout out to Lady Gaga. I don`t condone this marijuana use, but what I have learned about her is she is so hardworking. She`s so focused and she is incredibly hardworking. I think that`s a good lesson for young women that watch her, that idolize her, not the drugs smoking, not the pot, but her work -- that`s something to talk about to.

PINSKY: Jenny.

HUTT: OK, look, Lady Gaga`s talented. She sings, she writes, she plays the piano. She`s wildly successful and famous. She`s coming out now that she was using it as a coping mechanism and she got addicted. She said I had problems and didn`t realize it. Now, I`m realizing it and she did say she`s dealing with it, Dr. Drew.


PINSKY: We don`t know. Maybe she`s taking pills instead. We don`t know. I mean, she talked -- we`ll talk to the "Behavior Bureau" in a few minutes when she talks about moving from drug to drug to drug. We called cross addiction. But Ann, I think you have something to say.

Before you do, I want to say, I love when people go oh, well, you know, pot is a plant, it`s a plant. Tobacco is a plant. Has everyone forgotten that tobacco`s a plant? Tobacco, we all agree, one of the worst drugs out there, alcohol, maybe the second worse, maybe the first. Pot following, you know, certainly way behind all those.

COULTER: Right. Arsenic appears -- comes from nature as well.

PINSKY: Right.

COULTER: The main thing I want to say in regard to the publicity stunts and whether women need to do, young women have to do this to get publicity. I don`t think Gaga ever needed to do it. She`s incredibly talented. I don`t like the crazy publicity or the meat dress or anything else. Miley Cyrus is nothing but a publicity stunt.


PINSKY: Lynn, go ahead. Lynn.

LYNN BERRY, HLN HOST: Part of the only reason that Lady Gaga got to the status that she did is because she knows how to master the publicity stunts. Meat dress is one of them. Coming into music awards in huge eggs that people carry her, and flying off in suits that she just wore -- I mean, every single thing that she does makes a huge statement and doesn`t showcase her actual talent which is her voice.


BERRY: Put on a little bit of mascara and a little bit of concealer and blow out her hair.

PINSKY: I have two comments to wrap it up with. One is, I think, it came up with a good idea here, the cronut suit. I think that`s something she got really considered, number one. Number two, I don`t know if anybody else have been to a Gaga concert. I`ve been. And I`ll tell you what, when she sits down at the piano in a giant stadium, you think she`s singing directly to you. She is amazing. If you heard her on Stern this morning. Amazing. Made people cry.

HUTT: By the way, Dr. Drew, she was singing to you. This was all to get to you.

PINSKY: Well, she did it. Done and done. And again, I`m offering something back, the cronut dress. So, there we go, guys. Thank you very much.

We`re going to get the "Behavior Bureau" in here to talk about the pot issue and the this question of harder drugs, as I mentioned.

And later, is it against the law to drive while wearing your underwear. Well, maybe if you`re drunk in your underwear, got a little more trouble. Be right back.

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PINSKY: Back with my co-host, Jenny Hutt and our "Behavior Bureau," Jillian Barberie, Jennifer Keitt, Cheryl Arutt, and Wendy Walsh. We`ve been discussing Lady Gaga and her pot habit. Listen to how she described her years of substance abuse and what she does when the drugs lose their intensity.


LADY GAGA, ENTERTAINER: I`ve been addicted to various things for, since I was young.


LADY GAGA: And most heavily over the past seven years. And I kind of, a friend gave me this term, lily pad from substance to substance, because I get to a point where I can`t go any further with one substance so I have to move to another.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s frightening.

LADY GAGA: Yes. It can be.


PINSKY: Well, that`s certainly how cannabis does its thing. It sort wears off over time. People intensify, try to eat more, try different ways of administering it, and then they graduate to something else. Something, I see all the time. But Jillian, you say we`re getting this all wrong.

JILLIAN BARBERIE, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Well, no, I agree with Jenny. I heard the entire Howard Stern interview today and I thought she came across. She`s so articulate. She`s so self-aware. She`s brilliant. She`s obviously ridiculously talented. So, she has the talent to back-up whatever quote/unquote "publicity stunts." Everyone keeps talking on the meat dress, the meat dress.

Do you know that she was actually with ex-servicemen at that award show? She was making a statement about war and blood and the blood of war. I mean, you know, to me -- and I know you disagree with me, Dr. Drew. You think pot is a gateway drug.

PINSKY: No -- listen, people want to make me like the nark, the man.



PINSKY: -- stop something when they can stop -- otherwise, they should enjoy it. Get high. Enjoy it.



BARBERIE: We talk about tobacco. Tobacco is, you know, grown as is obviously pot, but pot is used for, you know, cancer remedies. There are so many good things that pot does. And I don`t smoke. I could care less. I could care less. But I have a 72-year-old friend. He works in a business forever, and he smokes every night. And you know, I don`t think he`s going to do heroin -- you know, at anytime.

PINSKY: Yes. But Jillian, you don`t get to see what I see all the time.

BARBERIE: I understand that, but Drew, people drink and drive and they cause --

PINSKY: I`m not defending alcohol. We just spent half an hour talking about a mayor who`s an alcoholic.

BARBERIE: I would be more concerned about Miley Ray Cyrus than I would Lady Gaga. A, she`s young and she`s more influential.


PINSKY: Anybody agree with that?


CHERYL ARUTT, PSY.D., CLINICAL & FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: But wait a minute. Does Miley have a substance abuse problem? Because I`m not hearing that Miley does.

PINSKY: No, but that`s the point. But could her behaviors have more of an impact on young people?

ARUTT: Well, people do love to attack young women being sexual and being overtly sexual, as you`ve said. And so, I think people like to go after Miley Cyrus. But I hear she`s home in bed at night every night with her parents and she`s --


BARBERIE: We`re all attacking Lady Gaga saying, oh, you know, what is she doing about this substance -- we don`t know anything. all we know is that she`s honest about it. And if she can help anybody else out there by that brutal honesty, I love it --

PINSKY: Jennifer, Jennifer Keitt.


JENNIFER KEITT, LIFE COACH: I think the deeper issue here, the word that screams out is that I needed this to cope. Lady Gaga is showing us as Americans that we do not have the skill set available to cope with our day to day lives, and she is self-medicating. And to me, that is the bigger issue here.


BARBERIE: She`s not saying we Americans can`t cope. She`s saying she --


KEITT: But it`s a reflection of where we are in American society today. We do not have the skills to be able to cope.



PINSKY: I`m amazed that people consider somebody going oh, this poor woman, she may have an addiction problem and attack --


ARUTT: Can I just point out something that she said. She said especially in the last seven years.


ARUTT: There was a real increase. And this incredibly talented woman`s fame really hit big in the past seven years. I just have to point out that when fame hits and people don`t have the kind of support to really deal with it, very often, the unlimited resources and the pressure of the fame can come together.


BARBERIE: She talks about the fact that she had a really good support system with her family -- you know, she had the hip issue, all that health issue, and the it turned into painkillers. So --

PINSKY: Let`s not mince words here. If somebody has addiction, let`s say, medical problem is not going to get better without treatment.


PINSKY: -- a value judgment on a person that`s not saying anything other than that poor person has a problem -- some help. We got to go.

Do I have time to throw up this tweet just real quick -- Yes. This is from Fatima @Xena1980 (ph). "Calling me a fake. It`s OK for Gaga to use drug for ten years but you get on @TomayorFord for his problems. Open your eyes." So, are we playing double standards? I hope not.


If you have a comment or question for the "Behavior Bureau," tweet us @DrDrewHLN #behaviorbureau.

Next, we have a new one, a driving while naked -- well, almost naked - - and drunk, of course. And we`ll show you that video after this. Seems to be the substance episode tonight. We`ll be right back.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me ask you this. Have you had any alcohol tonight?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I only had one shot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One shot, that`s it? All right. Any, any prescription medication? All right. Any controlled substances?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Is there any reason why you don`t have any clothes on than what you got on now?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because I was at work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were at work? Do you typically drive without clothes?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just get off and I drive home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Give me one second.


PINSKY: Wow. Back with my co-host, Jenny Hutt, Jennifer Keitt, Jillian Barberie, and Lynn Berry with us as well.

The Florida officer pulled over that 18-year-old driver. She was reportedly wearing bra and panties only. But before stepping out of that car, she put on that basketball jersey. Of course, she was so wasted she put it on backwards. The teen DUI suspect told police she was coming from work. Is she a stripper?

BARBERIE: Yes, exactly. The cop didn`t ask her what her job was.


HUTT: This video, to me, looked like it could go in a really bad direction.

PINSKY: What do you mean? Like what?

HUTT: Like initially, that could have been the start of like a real - - like a porn movie. Like it was just awful.

PINSKY: Lynn, thank God they got her or she would have killed herself or somebody else.

BERRY: Exactly. Every time I see this dashboard cam video and you see a lot of them, and you think, oh, they`re funny because she`s wobbly and she doesn`t -- you know, she doesn`t have clothes on, but I always think about the family of children driving in a SUV she could have been killed.

PINSKY: Jennifer, you say no. Jennifer Keitt.

KEITT: I`ve got an 18-year-old daughter. My God, I think -- she goes out every single weekend, and unfortunately, I`m hearing stories like this every single weekend with how wasted these gals are getting. Her behind is out on the dash cam video. I can`t even go to the grocery store without a bra. I cannot believe --


PINSKY: She never did that. Right, Lynn?


BERRY: I love it how you just established that. What was that from? You don`t know me that well, Dr. Drew.


PINSKY: I always find things out. So, is there a story here or no?

BERRY: No. Not at all. Not at all. But I will say, thank goodness, Segun is not on this panel tonight because he would yell at all of you for laughing at the story. But it is -- I think you`re absolutely right. Thank god she didn`t hurt anyone. Absolutely.

So, come on. She`s a hot mess. We can throw that video up there and embarrass her and make sure that other people are embarrass that they know they can`t drive drunk and they sure as heck shouldn`t be driving around their bra and panties.

PINSKY: We have some interesting video from one of our favorites on this program. Up after this. Be right back.


PINSKY: Back with my co-host, Jenny Hutt, also, Jennifer, Jillian, and Lynn. And guys, I want you to take a look at this. A White supremacist showed up on NBC`s "The Trisha Goddard Show" for a DNA test. He thought he was reportedly confirming his pure bloodline. He was joined by a face you all may recognize as the results were read to him. I want you to watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eighty-six percent European and --

SHAHRAZAD ALI, AUTHOR: Give it to him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fourteen Sub-Saharan African.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wait a minute. This is called statistical noise.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have a little Black in you.


PINSKY: And if you don`t recognize the face, perhaps you recognize the crown. That was, of course, our own Miss Ali. I`ve never seen her so happy.


PINSKY: That clip was posted on YouTube yesterday and has already had over 100,000 hits. Who wants to talk about that?

BARBERIE: It`s like a Dave Chappelle skit. Remember, the Black -- White supremacist -- it`s genius. You can`t write this stuff. It`s awesome. I love it.

KEITT: It forces us to deal with race, Dr. Drew. It forces us to look at the facts that we are all connected in some kind of way.

PINSKY: Yes. The race is a part of visual concept (ph) in many ways when you try to define it with the actually biology, it becomes less of it. Much more fluid. Less of a specific thing. Lynn, any thoughts.

BERRY: I just think that it`s so -- the reason it`s had so many hits on YouTube is because there`s nothing that we like more than seeing a completely bigot be thrown, you know, on his head. You know? I mean -- it`s great to watch him, you know, look as stupid as he is.


HUTT: Miss Ali giggled. Like to see her giggle like that, fantastic.

KEITT: She was hilarious.

PINSKY: Many of you don`t know Miss Ali and why I know her. She -- off the air, I think she says some pretty remarkable things on the show, but she is the sweetest, most delightful woman, and that was a piece of the real Miss Ali. Thank you. We`ll get to the "Last Call" next.


PINSKY: Last Call." Time for the "Last Call." And November 12 is a day many people are thanking, get this, birth control. The national campaign to prevent teen and unplanned pregnancy is calling attention to the fact that teen pregnancy rates have been way down for two decades, some of the lowest since they started measuring these things.

Ninety-nine percent of women used or have used birth control. But in 2013, this issue still seems controversial. So, it`s hard to understand why we can`t be a little more, I don`t know, rational about this thing. And jenny, speaking of rational, I want to show you a tweet real quick, this is back to the Rob Ford story. It`s from Dianna Barren (ph). "Rob Ford stopped the gravy train of greed and corruption and save Toronto millions. Get off his back."

So, we`re back where we started this show, I know.

HUTT: Yes. He just needs to not do crack and we`ll be off his back.

PINSKY: Fair enough. There you go. Thank you all for watching. Thank you, Jenny. We`ll see you next time. "HLN After Dark" starts right now.