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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

911 Operator Texting While Training Newbie, Blamed for Death; Kim`s High Speed Chase on Freeway; Oregon Cougar Attack; Sheba to the Rescue

Aired November 13, 2013 - 19:00:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight`s big story. Outrage in Florida, as a 911 dispatcher makes a mistake that might have cost a man his life. She`s supposed to be training a new dispatcher, but instead, cops say Shauna Justice is texting on her cell phone. So the newbie sends an ambulance to the wrong address while a man is dying from a heart attack at the correct address.

Then the dispatcher ups the ante. You will not believe her reaction when a reporter knocks on her front door.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live. Thanks for joining us.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need some help.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As the caller gives his location, Justice is on her phone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We messed up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The sheriff says Justice knows she made a serious mistake.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shauna Justice opened the door, holding a black handgun at arm`s length, pointed toward my head.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shauna Justice was training a new employee, watching as he took 911 calls. You can see here to the left, and the trainee to the right, OK?

When this call came in, the spot shadow shows her texting. But instead of paying attention to this life-or-death situation, Shauna is texting. OK? She`s texting. You can see her hand texting.

The trainee accidentally sends the ambulance to a different location, 15 minutes away from where the patient desperately needs help. And you can actually hear the confused 911 caller, wondering where the heck are the paramedics?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is anyone coming?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can -- yes. They`ve been on the way. What else is close to you other than the racquetball courts? The units are having a bit of trouble finding you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you at the Ormond Rec? Where are you?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shauna was put on a five-day suspension for what the sheriff`s department calls a big mistake.

But this story doesn`t stop there. We`ve got some stunning details.

I want to hear what you think. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586- 7297.

We have a fantastic Lion`s Den debate panel tonight. Mark Starver, radio reporter for News 96.5 in Orlando. Tell us what happened when a TV reporter showed up and knocked on Shauna Justice`s door.

MARK STARVER, REPORTER, NEWS 96.5 (via phone): Well, she showed up to the door simply to ask for an interview. She didn`t have a camera with her; she didn`t have a microphone. The truck was parked out by the road.

And as soon as she answered her door, she basically pointed the gun at her. You know, essentially, one or two feet away from her head, and kept it pointed at her until she backed away, back to the news van. The camera guy was able to snap a picture of it. You know, the one that has pretty much gone viral today.

And, you know, the police didn`t have any choice but to file charges. I don`t believe the reporter was going to file charges. You know, and it seems that Shauna Justice feels like she was totally justified. She says she was, you know, protecting her home and protecting herself.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s not quite how it works. You can`t put a gun to somebody`s head.

STARVER: Right!

VELEZ-MITCHELL: When they knock on the door. What if it`s Fuller Brush man coming to sell you some shampoo? Do you think you can put a gun to that person`s head? I mean, it`s outrageous!

And she should know. I`m sure they have some basic training of the law. Again, Shauna allegedly put a gun to a reporter`s face when this reporter simply knocked on the door saying, can I have an interview? Listen to the reporter saying, "Can I have an interview?" Listen to the reporter explaining what happened to her.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I walked alone to the door. Frankly, I didn`t expect to her to answer, knowing others have tried, but I was just floored when Shauna Justice opened the door, holding a black handgun at arm`s length, pointed toward my head. I backed away, asking her to calm down. She only lowered the gun to her side once I got back to our news van.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Shauna now arrested for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, posted bond.

Wendy Walsh, psychologist, did this just push her over the edge, the very idea that a reporter was knocking at her door about something she was humiliated over?

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: OK. First I want to talk as a psychologist, Jane. So obviously, she`s feeling some shame about what happened in the workplace.

But you know, she lives in Florida. She`s heard about things like the stand-your-ground law. In fact, apparently, there was another case in the news recently where a guy came out and shot a young black man in the neighborhood. So I guess she feels like she can pull out a gun, too, don`t you think?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you think it`s Florida. OK, that`s your theory. Well, I just think that sometimes 911 dispatchers can be inappropriate. Many of them are heroes, but let`s face it, this isn`t the first time we`ve heard of very inappropriate behavior from a 911 dispatcher. Do you remember this? Because we covered it.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is your girlfriend still on fire?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Um -- is your vehicle still on fire?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s hilarious, huh?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sir, is your vehicle still on fire?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just heard you smirk. It`s not funny at all.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, sir, it wasn`t regarding that, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I just heard you laugh.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, here`s my rant: 911 dispatchers are as important as air traffic controllers, as important as doctors, and in a way, they`re even more important than emergency medical technicians, because without dispatchers, EMTs could not get to where they need to go in ambulances. People`s lives hang in the balance and hinge on their moment-to-moment responses.

A lot of dispatchers are heroes, doing amazing work, saving lives. But there are some dispatchers who have lost sight of the fact that their job isn`t just a job; it`s a vocation.

And I want to toss it to Ellis Henican, "Newsday" columnist. They seem to have a casual attitude, at least this young lady did, about her crucial job.

ELLIS HENICAN, COLUMNIST, "NEWSDAY": You`re right, I mean, it`s a life-or-death job. I`ve got to tell you, I felt a little sympathy at first. You know, we`ve all done stupid things texting, right? Texting and driving, and texting while we`re supposed to be working.

But it was the -- it was the gun in the face of the reporter that made me convinced, this lady does not have the temperament for such a responsible job. All the sympathy I started out with pretty much disappeared the minute that gun came out.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jon Leiberman.

JON LEIBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, there`s two issues here, Jane. No. 1 is, most 911 call centers don`t allow personal cell phones in the workplace at all, for this very reason, because all they do is serve as a distraction. That`s No. 1.

And as far as allegedly putting the gun in the reporter`s face, first of all, I can tell you firsthand, Jane, I got punched in the face on-camera when I was a reporter in Baltimore. We had a big camera there filming. This reporter, I read the police report, she didn`t go up there with the camera rolling. She didn`t have a microphone shoved into this dispatcher`s face. This reporter was about as respectful as she possibly could have been, and this was the result. It`s ludicrous.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know what I think? You know what I think? I think it all boils down to, there`s too many people abusing the luxury of having a 911 service.

I don`t know if you remember this man who was arrested after calling 911 to complain about his fast food order.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m up here at McDonald`s up here. And I ordered like seven burgers. And I went to my vehicle, right, you know, and I came back in, and they took a burger from me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, if you want 911 to be there when you desperately need it, do not call for stupid reasons, like a burger order.

Next, the Toronto train wreck rolls on. You won`t believe what that crack-smoking mayor is up now. Here`s a hint: Well, there`s a few more reasons he needs to be fired immediately.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Mayor, have you purchased illegal drugs in the last two years?

ROB FORD, MAYOR OF TORONTO: Yes, I have.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mayor Ford, are you expecting a rumble in the jungle?

R. FORD: Cause I`m going to kill that (EXPLETIVE DELETED) guy! I`m telling you, it`s first-degree murder. But I`ll fight him. I`ll (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our city`s reputation has been damaged and continues to suffer.

R. FORD: Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine.

I`m not going to sit here and say I`m never going to drink again.

Have I tried it? Probably in one of my drunken stupors.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you purchased illegal drugs in the last two years?

R. FORD: Yes, I have. Admitting my mistake was the right thing to do.

What don`t you understand? I am not leaving here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, just when you thought mayor Rob Ford couldn`t get any more outrageous, he has. After admitting to smoking crack and being caught on video threatening to kill somebody by ripping their throat out while, quote, "inebriated," the mayor of Toronto faced an inquisition/intervention at a city council meeting today.

No criminal charges have been filed against this mayor, so he cannot be forced to resign. And despite today`s public shaming, he says, "I`m not going anywhere!"

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Together we stand to ask you to step aside and take a leave of absence.

R. FORD: I`m most definitely keeping this job.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The council voted 37-5 today to ask Ford to take at least a leave of absence, please!

One of his supporters in the room, very few, his brother, Doug, a member of the council himself, defended his brother, and then interrogated other council members: "What about your past drug use, people?" Listen.

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DOUG FORD, MAYOR FORD`S BROTHER: The question is, have you ever smoked marijuana? Have you ever smoked marijuana? Hold it! Have you ever smoked marijuana? It`s a question. It`s simple, a yes or a no. Have you smoked marijuana?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. There`s a big difference between smoking pot and smoking crack cocaine. I think we all know that. Crack is one of the most addictive substances ever invented.

Ford claims he smoked it about a year ago, but don`t try to tell him he has a drug or alcohol problem. Oh, no.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

R. R. FORD: The reason I drank or did drugs was not because of stress, it was out of sheer stupidity. That`s all it was.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stupid and arrogant and in denial and defiant, entitled, a hypocrite, a liar. All signs of being an addict. Oh, yes, he insists he`s not an addict. You decide.

Ford keeps apologizing and asking, "What more do you want from me, people?"

OK, I`ll tell you what I want. I want you to say, "I`m resigning. I`m going to long-term rehab, and I`m cooperating with the police investigating my drug use and my threats."

Straight out to Ellis Henican, columnist for "Newsday." There has to be a way to force this guy out of office. How? How do we do it?

HENICAN: How about -- how about maybe some handcuffs?

Listen, Jane, the last person who needed rehab this badly, I think, was Amy Winehouse. The only question now is which kind of rehab does he need first? Should he go to AA, NA, Overeaters Anonymous? I`m not sure if they have something called Egomaniacs Anonymous. But that might be a pretty good place to start.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And let me say this as a recovering alcoholic with 18 years of sobriety. Alcoholism and drug addiction, it`s not like when you get a biopsy and somebody says, uh, you have cancer. It`s usually self-diagnosed, and some people who are wildly out-of-control addicts like a homeless person on the street, passed out from a drug or a drink, might wake up and say, "No, I`m not an alcoholic. I`m not an addict."

But other people might say, well, of course you are!

Mayor Rob Ford last week admitted to smoking crack, but he has not been charged with any crimes. How is that fair? Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Mayor, do you still have a zero tolerance for drugs, guns, and gangs?

FORD: Absolutely.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, he`s got zero tolerance for drug use, except when he`s the one using the drugs. This man is the worst hypocrite on the planet, in my opinion.

And Dorothy Lucey, social commentator and my dear friend, he is reinforcing this idea that there`s a double standard in society. And we`ve got to debunk it. I mean, he is terminally unique. Everybody else needs to listen to the rules, but, "Oh, I`m special. The rules don`t apply to me." That is the credo of the addict.

And I honestly feel, Dorothy, a lot of people do drugs in this country, but only a certain kind of person is prosecuted for drugs. So you have street people, poor, low-income people, minorities quite often prosecuted for drugs. Then you`ve got other people, prominent members of society, who do drugs, who are not prosecuted for drugs. Is he the living symbol of our hypocritical attitude toward drug use?

DOROTHY LUCEY, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Jane, that, and let`s take him at his word. He`s stupid, OK? He said, "You know what? I`m just stupid. So can`t we get him out of office just because he`s stupid?" You know, Jane, I do remember some interesting stories about you, which I will never -- well, maybe someday I`ll tell them...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You knew me before I got sober, Dorothy. I know that`s what you`re trying to dance around. But go ahead and say it.

LUCEY: Even we never had that much fun.

And I hear this guy, there may be some women involved too. So throw chicks in there with, you know, drugs and guns and stupidity.

But, yes, of course, to your serious point, how can this person not be prosecuted? I mean, my God. We have tape of it. And we have him admitting it. So there`s that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And he admitted he bought drugs while he was in office, illegal drugs, and, you know, they have a video of him smoking crack. I want the cops to show that video.

Mary, New York. Mary, what do you got to say?

CALLER: I just -- I think it`s crazy. I mean, he`s a public figure. What is he teaching our young people? What is he teaching them?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, he`s teaching them that, if you`re prominent and you look a certain way and you walk around in a suit, you can get away with doing drugs a lot more than if you`re sitting on a street corner and somebody calls you a gangbanger and you`re doing the exact same thing. And that`s why I say, there`s a double standard in this country.

There are so many people in America, in the United States, locked up, doing hard time behind bars for nonviolent drug offenses. They happen to have been caught, but plenty of people are doing drugs in their penthouse suites, in their big offices, and nobody arrests them. Exhibit A!

All right, we`re just getting started. I want to hear from you. We`ve got more shockers on the other side.

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FORD: Obviously, I was extremely, extremely inebriated.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, but with alcohol?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FORD: `Cause I`m going to kill that (EXPLETIVE DELETED) guy! Mike Tyson! But I`ll fight him. I`ll (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Give me the phone. I`ll (UNINTELLIGIBLE). No holds barred, brother. He dies or I die, brother.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: He says he was inebriated. I wonder, inebriated on what?

This guy is a crack bowl full of contradictions. He personally is not cooperating with cops in their investigation into him, but, boy, does he support them investigating other people.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Mayor, have you purchased illegal drugs in the last two years?

FORD: Yes, I have. I can`t get into what`s before the courts now, but on the advice of my council, if you want to talk to Dennis Morris, you`re more than happy to talk to him. He has said do not talk to the police. I support the police more than anyone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s talk about the elephant in the room. Yes, he supports cops, as long as they`re prosecuting somebody else for drugs, not him. Why isn`t he being prosecuted?

Jon Leiberman, he`s admitted to buying illegal drugs while in office. He`s on tape, apparently, smoking crack, which they should release that tape. Why haven`t they arrested him?

LEIBERMAN: Well, right, because the investigation has just started, Jane. And I`ve got to tell you this. The way the law is written there in Toronto, you can`t remove a sitting politician from office until there`s a conviction. So we`re still at the very early stages of this.

One reason, frankly, why he hasn`t been arrested is because he`s not cooperating at all with law enforcement. That`s No. 1. We do know, however, that police are out and actively questioning a number of people who have been associated with the mayor, who are known in the drug trade one there in Toronto.

So I expect at some point, there will most likely be charges. But, again, this investigation could going on a long time, and conviction is the key to getting a politician out of office there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the first thing is to arrest him, though, and charge him. That would help.

Now, today, the mayor`s brother and defender, Doug, told CNN his brother isn`t drinking, but Ford has a very wafflely idea of, well, how he`s going to finesse that issue. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

D. FORD: He`s not doing drugs and he`s not drinking, so he`s moving in the right direction.

I`m not going to sit here and say, I`m never going to drink again. That`s not realistic.

D. FORD: Everything in moderation, Rob.

Everything in moderation is fine.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me rant about this for a minute. Moderation doesn`t work when you`re an addict, buddy. Take it from me. The definition of addiction is that you can`t successfully negotiate with your drug of choice, whether it`s crack; whether it`s alcohol; whether it`s food.

In your case, it might be all three. So the idea that you`re going to go out there and maintain your moderation is an insult. You are spitting in the face of anybody who knows anything about addiction. Wendy Walsh, psychologist, back me up here?

WALSH: I totally back you up. I think we`re helping to create his rock-bottom for him, Jane. But let me tell you this. I think I`m the only Canadian on your show today, and the word on the street amongst Torontoians is that this guy is a embarrassment to the conservative Torontoians out there. They`re busy trying to find a replacement for him as we speak.

I think showing the video of him smoking crack would be step No. 1. Ford`s brother, Doug, defended him at the hearing today and insisted he doesn`t have a drug or alcohol problem. Get this, his sister and mom have also spoken out, defending him. Priceless. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Robby is not a drug addict. I know because I`m a former addict.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He did what he did, he`s made a mistake, he`s admitted to the mistake, not a nice one, but he`s done it. But he`s been to work every single day.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

I`m sorry, ladies, but you are classic co-dependents in my opinion. You are enabling, minimizing, justifying, rationalizing, and otherwise acting like the PR agent, the public relations person for the addict. This is classic co-dependency. This entire family, in my opinion, needs to go into family therapy. There`s a lot of dysfunction there. Kathy, Georgia, what have you got to say? Kathy? Kathy? Oh, Kathy?

CALLER: hey!

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hey, how you doing? What have you got to say about this?

CALLER: Hey, I`ve got to say that there`s no excuse to have a cell phone on the job, ever! That the main number for every company, there always has been, leave a message and...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Kathy, I`m going to disconnect you, not because I don`t love you, but we`re on to the next story.

Listen, this guy is going to do somebody a favor, because they`re going to look at this man and they`re going to identify him and say, "I might be like that," and that person maybe will get help.

Up next, Kim Kardashian`s freeway chaotic showdown meltdown, whatever you want to call it, with the Hollywood paparazzi. It was out of control. We`re going to bring it to you next. And this reality show diva is complaining about too much attention?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news. She got pulled over by the cops.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They need us more than we need them.

There`s not a star in the world who wants to get out of her car and not be recognized by the crowd.

I`m entitled to a certain portion of your life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get off.

KIM KARDASHIAN, REALITY TV STAR: Why even go out as much, just to put yourself in that position?

JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE, SINGER/ACTOR: If you live in Los Angeles and you`re traveling around Hollywood, you can expect to have your picture taken at some point.

KARDASHIAN: People don`t expect you to want privacy.

TIMBERLAKE: That`s when I feel like it`s overstepped the lines.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Tonight`s buzz, wild new video shows superstar Kim Kardashian trying to outrun the paparazzi. I`m sorry Kim, but you have brought this on yourself. The reality TV star causes a traffic jam nightmare when she is pulled over for speeding on a major L.A. freeway. The traffic`s bad enough without you, Kim Kardashian.

Cops say several paparazzi were chasing the new mom, trying to snap photos of her while she was in her black Rolls Royce. Oh, that`s discreet. Kim started speeding to escape the photographers. She gets pulled over and slapped with a ticket.

It gets even crazier. At that moment, picture-hungry paps jump out of their cars and start snapping more photos after Kim`s pulled over the by the cops. There`s a chopper overhead with paparazzi taking photographs from the air.

Now, there`s a new anti-paparazzi law that punishes photographers who harass and take photos of celebrity kids without their parents` permission. We don`t even know though if little North West -- that is their child`s name -- North West, a five-month-old girl, was in the car.

We reached out to Kim`s rep and haven`t heard back. Kim, no stranger to this madness -- watch as she gives the paparazzi a taste of her own medicine.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KARDASHIAN: Well, you get used to it, but I think it doesn`t matter. Dude, can you like -- hold on.

Can you come here? Give us a second. I`m so nice to you all the time, I look do -- yes, we are. Just like you film me every day. We can, you use pictures of me, we can blur your face.

Are you filming me, are you filming me? You can`t film me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Really?

KARDASHIAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s like bullying in a lot of ways.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s totally bullying.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. It`s also like getting ratings on reality TV. She can`t have it both ways. Kim decided long ago to live her personal life on reality TV.

Back to my fantastic "Lion`s Den" panel, there are so many A-list celebrities that don`t have an army of paparazzi following them like this. They live a lifestyle that doesn`t inspire being chased.

I think we need a mental health consultant here, and we have one. Stephanie Weiss -- and you`re also a mother of three. Don`t you think Kim`s cult of personality is asking for this?

STEPHANIE WEISS, MENTAL HEALTH CONSULTANT: I do, but at the same time, she`s a mom. I just feel -- I feel bad for her. I think that she doesn`t know what she`s getting herself into years ago, and now she has this baby and she just feels out of control.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, I can`t say I feel sorry for her. And I know, Dorothy, you --

WEISS: I knew you were going to say that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: -- probably do. But listen, the reality TV queen announced her engagement to Kanye by posting this picture of her massive 15 carat rock for the world to see. We`re going to show it to you. There`s a rock coming up -- there it is -- 15 carats. And yet she insists she wants to live a private life now that she`s a mom. She also took a photo of her bootie, a selfie and posted that on Instagram.

Listen to this from Jay Leno.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KARDASHIAN: Why would I subject myself to so much negativity, especially now that like I have a daughter? And I just don`t need that energy. I would rather be in a happy place when I`m home, and I choose to go out, you know, with family and friends when I want to, but I`ve definitely tried to live like more of a private life because of that, because they were so nasty. It`s like, why even go out as much, just to put yourself in that position?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: My dear friend, Dorothy Lucey, listen, come on. You want to live a private life, but you and your fiance are going on television every five minutes and you`re posting your bootie on Instagram.

DOROTHY LUCEY, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: You know, I know Kim just a little bit, and I know her pre-Kanye, so I don`t know her at all right now, but she`s always been a very sweet girl. And I`m thinking, you`re going to hate me for saying this, Jane, but she can`t go to the bathroom, she can`t take a pee without the paparazzi. And even if you want it, and even if you`ve made hundreds of millions of dollars because of it, it`s got to get old, especially when you could have your baby in the Rolls Royce.

And you know what, Jane, I can`t believe she was speeding like that, because I was trying to get here today to see you. There was so much traffic, I don`t want to sound like the Californians, and I was just tweeting this, I don`t know why you tweet the things that you actually want to keep to yourself. Somehow you tweet the most shameful things. I changed in my car today to get here, there was so much traffic.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. Well, too bad we didn`t get shots of that for the paparazzi. You could have made the news.

Here`s my rant. And you know what; I`m going to cut -- I had a big long rant -- but I`m just going to cut to the chase. Can we see the selfie of her bootie? Because that to me says it all. I think we`ve got a picture, a selfie of her bootie.

And I`ve got to say, Wendy Walsh, you know, there she is, doing a selfie of her bootie and posting it on Instagram. Now, how can you do that and then say, oh, I want privacy when I want it? I just -- I think that`s hypocrisy.

WENDY WALSH, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I think it is hypocrisy, Jane, but more than anything, when I saw that picture, I saw new mother with an identity crisis. She`s trying to figure out who she is. She`s doing the blond hair and the sexy thing with a five-month-old baby. She`s supposed to be sitting around a tree nursing that baby. I mean come on.

This is not the time to go back and be supermodel and sexy and sexpot. Of course, she wants to keep this husband around, so I guess she`s trying that, thinks that will work.

But, Kim, I have two words to say to you, when you start speeding on the freeway -- Princess Diana, all right? Slow down. They`re not going to kill you with their cameras. Keep you and your baby safe, please.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, again, she`s driving a black Rolls Royce. And you know, that`s a dead ringer for a paparazzi, saying, oh, somebody in a black Rolls Royce, they have a good chance of being a celebrity. Then you take a look, oh, it`s Kim Kardashian. You don`t want to be spotted? Why drive around in one of the fanciest cars ever made?

Paparazzi also go to extreme lengths. They`re going to do anything to get a reaction from you. So, boy, did they get a reaction with this pulling over on the freeway.

But take a look at Kim`s stepdad, Bruce Jenner. He goes completely crazy as photographers follow him on "Keeping Up with the Kardashians", so this is part of the show.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m scared to get my license, because my car looks exactly like Kim`s.

As Kim`s due date gets closer, the paparazzi have just been insane. Let us get out of the car, at least.

What are you doing?

BRUCE JENNER, REALITY TV STAR: We`re going to park. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you, buddy. Quit (EXPLETIVE DELETED) following my family, you hear me? You (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I mean do you see what I`m talking about? That`s part of the show. So, I mean, there`s a lack of boundaries here, Dorothy Lucey. If you`re going to make a confrontation with a paparazzi part of your hit reality TV show, then how do you object when the paparazzi follow you in real life?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is your basic answer oh, wait a second, I don`t like it because the camera`s not rolling. I can`t make a fortune off this, only you can.

LUCEY: You know, years ago, because my son grew up with Pamela Anderson`s son, and I told her at school, in preschool, I`ll never do a story on you, because I love your family and I love this child and I`m not going to expose anything about you and your family, anything that I know that I probably shouldn`t know. And then years later she said to me, "God, can I get some publicity? Will you do some stories about me?" So I know she was kind of joking, kind of not joking. Yes, they want it both ways. But don`t we all want it both ways, every which way in life?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, I mean, listen, I don`t think Kim Kardashian`s a terrible person. I just think that this is an interesting subject to discuss. I lived in L.A. for 18 years, and L.A. is one of those places where you`re driving down the street and you look over and say, oh, my gosh, that`s a big star, right there.

There are many thousands of big stars who drive around L.A., nobody bothers them. I`m talking about big, big names that have been the stars of major, major movies, because whatever it is that they`re doing does not attract like a magnet paparazzi.

And so I have to say that if Kim does want privacy, I think she could get it, but she has to look at her lifestyle and figure out, what do I have to change, as opposed to just pointing the finger at the paparazzi. I`m not condoning the paparazzi, they do cross the line and nobody would want to be followed by them. But you`ve got to ask, like, why are they following me? What`s it about me? And she`ll probably say, oh, it`s just because I`m very beautiful.

Next, an employee -- and this is a sad story -- mauled to death by a cougar inside a big cat sanctuary. We`ve got a live report and we`re going to talk to you about an important issue that nobody ever mentions when they cover tragedies like this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God Renee. Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sir, are you in a safe position to be able to go inside yourself? Ok, we don`t want you to get injured, though. I don`t want you to get hurt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hear what you`re saying. Get out of here.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Here`s your really Crazy Video of the Day. A high- speed chase in Michigan came to a horrifying end. The suspect and a deputy go flying 30 feet off of an overpass. You see the suspect perched on the guardrail for just a second, and then, boom, goes over, and the officer tries to grab him and goes flying over himself. It`s just crazy, but guess what, they`re both expected to recover.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some sort of large feline at the Wildcat Haven Sanctuary mauled its caretaker.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have a keeper at Wildcat Haven that was attacked, I guess. I just got home here and I think she`s dead.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a risky area to be in.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can we try to keep you out?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. No.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, our "Animal Investigations Unit" taking a closer look at an awful attack in Oregon, as 911 tapes come to light. The 36-year-old head keeper at Wildcat Haven Sanctuary mauled to death by at least one cougar. Renee Radziwon-Chapman`s body found in a large enclosure with two other cougars by the sanctuary`s co-founder who got there several hours later. Renee`s shift was supposed to end, that`s when he made this chilling 911 call.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, my God, Renee. Oh, my God, Renee. Get. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sir, are you in a safe position to be able to go in by yourself. We don`t want you to get injured. We don`t want you to get hurt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hear what you`re saying. Get out of here. Get. Go. Go.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, the blame game starts with people pointing fingers. Who`s at fault, who`s to blame, questioning what caused this attack? But this is yet another example of how we have to think beyond this terrible horror to solve the larger issue of wild animals in captivity.

It`s a tragedy that this beautiful wife and mother lost her life -- I`m not diminishing that at all. But how can we prevent these kinds of horrors from happening again?

First out to CNN correspondent, Stephanie Elam. What is the very latest, Stephanie?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I can tell you at this point, Jane, that the officials there, the police that have closer investigations, they`re say that this is just a tragic accident. What we are hearing, though, is that the people that own the sanctuary believe that the woman who died here did not follow protocol, because she went into the enclosure by herself.

They`re saying they always have a rule, that there should be two people. They`re also saying that they checked the gates and that the lockouts worked properly to keep the big cats in one area while the human is in another.

But at the same time, they`re saying they`re cooperating with all investigations. The state of Oregon is investigating. And they also said that they`re preparing for the Department of Agriculture for their annual inspection, which they say is coming up. But there are some people who are upset a bit that they`re pointing fingers and saying that they`re implicating this woman who is the mother of a very young child -- Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ll tell you what -- if you work at a sanctuary, you love animals. And this is a tragedy, and I don`t think that anyone is to blame, except the people who breed these animals for profit and for vanity and who are the reasons why these sanctuaries exist in the first place.

Years before this tragedy, Renee Radziwon-Chapman, the woman who died, was interviewed. She talked about why sanctuaries are so important.

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RENEE RADZIWON-CHAPMAN, MAULED BY COUGAR: I don`t think people realize how many cats are in captivity, how many people own them in backyards.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And she is now dead. She`s a hero, in my opinion.

Here`s my rant. There`s about 5,000 to 7,000 tigers in the United States, and most of them are in somebody`s backyard. You know, these are people who get these animals for the wrong reasons and there are people who are making money breeding these animals. These are wild animals. They should not be kept as pets. And anybody who claims that they love animals and that`s why they`re getting one of these animals as a pet is seriously confused.

If you love them, do not breed them. Support organizations that allow them to live in the wild, where they`re necessary. Sanctuaries don`t want to be in business. They`re cleaning up other people`s messes, people who have bought a lion or a tiger cub or any of these beautiful animals that you see here in this video, and then, oops, they`re too big, we can`t keep them as house pets. Of course you can`t, all right?

Sanctuaries exist because of people making the mistake of having these animals, Ok? Then they have no natural instincts left, so you can`t put them back in the wild. Let`s rethink our relationship with these majestic animals. That would be the best way to honor this woman whose life was lost.

Next, I`m going to talk to a man who got his best friend to save his life. Sheba is a hero. We`ll tell you why.

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PAUL KEMP, SAVED BY DOG FROM FIRE: She was running around when she first saw the fire, her first instinct was to wake me up, you know? Thinking about me first.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Time for Pet of the Day. Send your pet pics to hlntv.com/jane.

Jose -- oh, you are very, very guapo. Sadie -- I like that look. You say, I`m Sadie and I know it. Penny -- she`s thoughtful. She says a penny for your thoughts? And Annie says, I`m ready to rock and roll and have a good time. Don`t hold me back -- ready to play.

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KEMP: I love her. She`s my little girl, you know? I mean I`ve always loved her, but now that she`s -- she saved my life, you know? She showed me that she`s my best friend, you know. Because she was worried about me, you know?

I mean she was running around, you know, when she first saw the fire, her first instinct was to wake me up, you know? Thinking about me first.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight`s Slice of Happiness. Sheba, this adorable rescue gives new meaning to the phrase, man`s best friend. The three-year- old pup -- yes, you`re still a pup, honey -- saved her owner`s life when a fire broke out and then Sheba`s owner ran outside and realized, oh, my gosh, Sheba hadn`t made it outside.

Listen to this.

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KEMP: I was yelling outside for her, and I didn`t see her, so I, you know, I figured that she had to be back in the house. So then I went in the house, and you know, yelled for her, and then she came running and ran right outside. She saved my life.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Paul Kemp, I`m so sorry you lost your home, but I`m happy you got out alive and I`m so happy Sheba got out alive. She is a hero. Tell us how she woke you up and saved your life, Paul.

KEMP (via telephone): She started barking and then she jumped on me, until I woke up and saw the fire.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And so then you ran out, and once you were outside, you realized, oh, my gosh, Sheba hadn`t made it. You ran back in and how did you find her?

KEMP: You know, it was -- I mean the fire was getting bigger and there was a lot of smoke, so I just yelled for her name, and she came running to my voice, because she always has, as she runs off a little bit, I yell my name, and she comes running to me and that`s what she did. And then she ran outside and I ran out after her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Sheba is a hero. She rescued you, she saved your life. Now, tell me, she`s a rescue and you have an organization called Animal Lifeline in Des Moines. And you rescue dogs and cats that are sick and who need homes. Tell me about that. Animal Lifeline of Iowa.

KEMP: Right, and that`s what we do. You know, we take cats and dogs that are really sick, need a lot of veterinarian care, need a lot of medicine, and we take care of them. And then we find people to adopt them out, who are willing to take that on.

I also take dogs and cats that are injured, that have been hit by a car. You know, these are dogs and cats that people are going to take and have them euthanized, then we get them fixed up and they adopt those out too.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Paul, you are my hero for doing all that, and I say, and I`m sure you agree, don`t shop for a dog, adopt. Go to adopt-a- pet.com, go to animal lifeline, there are so many animals desperate for homes. Don`t buy them, adopt them. Save a life.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Our very own Slice of Happiness to share with you tonight, we welcome two brand-new members to our team. Our fantastic senior producer, Amy Doyle and her husband Preston (inaudible), the proud new parents of these beautiful twins, welcome Evelyn and Tucker. We love you all.

Nancy next.

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